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Jai Robin:

 

 

> Does anyone know if Amma has ever gave anyone a manta that wasn't Hindu and

> Does anyone know if Amma has any CDs with her own chants on them

 

Are you talking about a Hindu person ir a Hindu mantra? She has given a lot

of mantras to non-Hindus ... particuilarily to use westerners. There is no

requirement as to a person religion.

 

None of the mantras are Hindu (as far as I know). They are in Sanscript ...

language of the Gurus.

 

Peter

 

 

 

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Namaste...

 

I am just curious on a couple of things .....Does anyone know if Amma has ever

gave anyone a manta that wasn't Hindu and Does anyone know if Amma has any CDs

with her own chants on them.....just some little things that have popped up in

my head.... -Robin

 

 

 

 

 

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Yes thank you....I was referring to mantras as in has she ever gave a mantra in

Buddhism or A Christian mantra to someone or is it alway Sanscrit?

pwhite0130 wrote:Jai Robin:

 

 

> Does anyone know if Amma has ever gave anyone a manta that wasn't Hindu and

> Does anyone know if Amma has any CDs with her own chants on them

 

Are you talking about a Hindu person ir a Hindu mantra? She has given a lot

of mantras to non-Hindus ... particuilarily to use westerners. There is no

requirement as to a person religion.

 

None of the mantras are Hindu (as far as I know). They are in Sanscript ...

language of the Gurus.

 

Peter

 

 

 

 

 

Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

 

Ammachi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:49:57 EST pwhite0130 writes:

 

>

> None of the mantras are Hindu (as far as I know).

 

<Hindu> [final U] is the religion based on the Vedas, Puranas, and so

forth. Most of the mantras Ammachi gives are based on Hindu names of God

(or Goddess), or on Hindu concepts like <dharma> (correct behavior),

<karma> (cause and effect), etc. In that sense, most of the mantras Amma

gives are Hindu..

 

<Hindi> [final I] is one of the dozen or so modern languages spoken in

India. It is mostly spoken in Northern India. Ammachi is from Southern

India, and her native speech is <Malayalam>, an unrelated language.

 

..

> They are in Sanscript ... language of the Gurus.

>

 

I'm smiling at your spelling. <Script> is English for "writing," so it

seems appropriate, but the ancient language you're referring to is

usually spelled <Sanskrit> (meaning "perfectly spoken"). Sanskrit is a

"dead" language, used only for religious or liturgical purposes (rather

like Catholics used to use Latin). Some scholars insist ALL <mantras>

must be in Sanskrit -- other languages may be chanted for meditation, but

they should be called prayers, or spells, or affirmations...

 

So Sanskrit is the language of the Gurus, AND of Hindu Priests, AND of

scholars of Ancient India.

 

A funny story -- a few years ago, a large group of American Charismatic

Christians came to see Ammachi when she was here in New York. They

wanted to practice mantra meditation, but they carefully explained that

they had no truck with this Hindu stuff, and they wanted to meditate on

Jesus. Amma is very ecumenical (her home state of Kerala has many

Moslems and many Christians), so she gave the Christians (in Sanskrit!)

mantras for Jesus.

 

Some of her <brahmacharyins> (the renunciate Hindu priests who travel

with Amma) were not so open-minded though, and they began to cock a hairy

eyeball at the dozens of <mlacchas> (non-Hindus) thronging around saying

things like "I want a mantra, too, praise Jesus!"

 

When my friend, who is also a Westerner, but a student of Hinduism, took

darshan of Ammachi, and asked for a mantra, the priest he was sent to

sneered at my friend and asked, "Praise Jesus?" "Goodness, no," said my

friend. "My <ishtadevata> (chosen deity) is Narasimha, Vishnu's man-lion

incarnation."

 

The priest almost hugged him! Finally, a Hindu!

 

-- Len/ Kalipadma

 

 

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Namaste.

 

> I am just curious on a couple of things .....Does anyone know if Amma has ever

> gave anyone a manta that wasn't Hindu

 

there's a great story in a Matruvani (pc users can read on the

amritapuri.org page) about Amma giving a man a long Hebrew mantra in perfect

Hebrew.

 

and Does anyone know if Amma has any CDs

> with her own chants on them

 

there are many CD of Amma singing. don't know of any with her chanting,

except some of the videos show Amma chanting.

 

In Amma's grace,

premarupa

Aum Amriteshvaryai Namah

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Hi Robin

 

Whenever someone request Mother for mantra, with her consent

you will be guided to another swami, who is delegated by mother

for mantra. He will ask for your favourite deity. One's favourite

deity can be anyone ( Christ, Budha, Alla, Ahura Mazda or anyone ).

For Guru's like Mother all are embodiments of the same reality both

in literal sense and also in experience. Non-dualists ( advaitist )

dont even have a deity. For them Mother gives mantras which are

related to advaitist principles. Once you give your favaourite

deity to the concerned swami, through him the almight Mother

manifests the mantra which she indent to give you. This mantra scribled

on a paper in malayalam is given to you. At the end of devi bhava

devotees who has got the consent of mother for mantra comes to her

with this piece of paper and Mother saraswathi just to conceal her

omni-potence, looks into the piece of paper and transmits the mantra

to your spiritual being. There upon she takes your complete responsibility.

 

This is what happens while AMMA gives mantra in amrithapuri.

 

There are instances where the devotee has forgotten to take the

piece of paper from pocket, and divine mother plays her leela

by uttering the same mantra in his ears. This happened to my friend.

 

There are instances reported where someone has approached mother for

mantra when he already had a mantra for past 10 years from another Guru.

When he aproached mother with paper in his hand, mother told him: "Son,

chant the same mantra which you had been chanting for past 10 years. It

is better to catch hold of one rather than running after many". Only he

and his Guru knew about his mantra and he was spellbound on AMMA's words.

 

Similar incident was reported in mathruvani by swami Amrithaathmaananda

Puri

regarding a hebru mantra for a jew.

 

In short, for incarnations like Mother, reality is not many, but just One,

the

ultimate ONE. But just because of our in-capability to digest this unity

she is giving us a boat (in the form of deity) to cross the mighty river

of worldliness. It is said that on reaching the other shore (possible only

with

grace of Guru) , one has to abandon this boat their by embracing the

ultimate

unity, there upon one may not feel any duality. In Mothers words "the Guru

and disciple relation cease to exist, they become one".

 

All the above concepts are Mother's own concepts just typed by my hands.

May Mother's grace clear all your doubts.

 

Ohm amritheswaryay Namah

 

-manesh

 

 

 

Robin Wilson [lilymoonjewel]

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 3:55 AM

Ammachi

Re: Curious...

 

 

 

Yes thank you....I was referring to mantras as in has she ever gave a mantra

in Buddhism or A Christian mantra to someone or is it alway Sanscrit?

pwhite0130 wrote:Jai Robin:

 

 

> Does anyone know if Amma has ever gave anyone a manta that wasn't Hindu

and

> Does anyone know if Amma has any CDs with her own chants on them

 

Are you talking about a Hindu person ir a Hindu mantra? She has given a lot

of mantras to non-Hindus ... particuilarily to use westerners. There is no

requirement as to a person religion.

 

None of the mantras are Hindu (as far as I know). They are in Sanscript ...

language of the Gurus.

 

Peter

 

 

 

 

 

Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

 

Ammachi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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How interesting .... Can you please direct me to the CDs on which she sings.....

-Robin

Kenna <kenna wrote:Namaste.

 

> I am just curious on a couple of things .....Does anyone know if Amma has ever

> gave anyone a manta that wasn't Hindu

 

there's a great story in a Matruvani (pc users can read on the

amritapuri.org page) about Amma giving a man a long Hebrew mantra in perfect

Hebrew.

 

and Does anyone know if Amma has any CDs

> with her own chants on them

 

there are many CD of Amma singing. don't know of any with her chanting,

except some of the videos show Amma chanting.

 

In Amma's grace,

premarupa

Aum Amriteshvaryai Namah

 

 

Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

 

Ammachi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thank you all for your responses....WHO can have a favortite deity???? I love

them all....I have no favorite.....Like the saying ..."I could no sooner choose

a favorite star in the sky"...... So If I ask for a Mantra ...would she come up

with one that would be best for me on her own.....and Is it possible to get a

Mantra by writing to her or do I have to be with her? Namaste -Robin

Manesh <manesh.mohan wrote:Hi Robin

 

Whenever someone request Mother for mantra, with her consent

you will be guided to another swami, who is delegated by mother

for mantra. He will ask for your favourite deity. One's favourite

deity can be anyone ( Christ, Budha, Alla, Ahura Mazda or anyone ).

For Guru's like Mother all are embodiments of the same reality both

in literal sense and also in experience. Non-dualists ( advaitist )

dont even have a deity. For them Mother gives mantras which are

related to advaitist principles. Once you give your favaourite

deity to the concerned swami, through him the almight Mother

manifests the mantra which she indent to give you. This mantra scribled

on a paper in malayalam is given to you. At the end of devi bhava

devotees who has got the consent of mother for mantra comes to her

with this piece of paper and Mother saraswathi just to conceal her

omni-potence, looks into the piece of paper and transmits the mantra

to your spiritual being. There upon she takes your complete

responsibility.

 

This is what happens while AMMA gives mantra in amrithapuri.

 

There are instances where the devotee has forgotten to take the

piece of paper from pocket, and divine mother plays her leela

by uttering the same mantra in his ears. This happened to my friend.

 

There are instances reported where someone has approached mother for

mantra when he already had a mantra for past 10 years from another Guru.

When he aproached mother with paper in his hand, mother told him: "Son,

chant the same mantra which you had been chanting for past 10 years. It

is better to catch hold of one rather than running after many". Only he

and his Guru knew about his mantra and he was spellbound on AMMA's words.

 

Similar incident was reported in mathruvani by swami Amrithaathmaananda

Puri

regarding a hebru mantra for a jew.

 

In short, for incarnations like Mother, reality is not many, but just One,

the

ultimate ONE. But just because of our in-capability to digest this unity

she is giving us a boat (in the form of deity) to cross the mighty river

of worldliness. It is said that on reaching the other shore (possible only

with

grace of Guru) , one has to abandon this boat their by embracing the

ultimate

unity, there upon one may not feel any duality. In Mothers words "the Guru

and disciple relation cease to exist, they become one".

 

All the above concepts are Mother's own concepts just typed by my hands.

May Mother's grace clear all your doubts.

 

Ohm amritheswaryay Namah

 

-manesh

 

 

 

Robin Wilson [lilymoonjewel]

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 3:55 AM

Ammachi

Re: Curious...

 

 

 

Yes thank you....I was referring to mantras as in has she ever gave a mantra

in Buddhism or A Christian mantra to someone or is it alway Sanscrit?

pwhite0130 wrote:Jai Robin:

 

 

> Does anyone know if Amma has ever gave anyone a manta that wasn't Hindu

and

> Does anyone know if Amma has any CDs with her own chants on them

 

Are you talking about a Hindu person ir a Hindu mantra? She has given a lot

of mantras to non-Hindus ... particuilarily to use westerners. There is no

requirement as to a person religion.

 

None of the mantras are Hindu (as far as I know). They are in Sanscript ...

language of the Gurus.

 

Peter

 

 

 

 

 

Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

 

Ammachi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I dont understand your problem, I baffled by your ignorance. FOR

YOUR KIND INFORMATION SANSKRIT IS NOT DEAD LANGUAGE. Most of the

classic works in India are written in Sanskrit. Pantanjali Yoga

sutras, Arthashastra,kama sutra, Upanishads, Vedas. Most of the

Indian Languages are derived from Sanaskrit. Excuse me for your

comment! that sanskrit has nothing to with Malayalam. More than 90%

of Malayalam words are from Sanaskrit. Do you know that Hindi is the

direct descent form Snaskrit with little bit of change in Devanagari

script. Most of the Indian languages are updated versions of

Sanskrit, which being prototype. Your argument is as absurd as

claiming C language is dead, SINCE now days people only use Visual

C++, SHOULD I ENLIGHTEN YOU that Visual c++ is derived from C++ and

C++ from C. So what kind argument would be to claim C as the dead

language.

Now regarding to Hinduism, the very term is a misnomer. Coined

by westners, who labled thier religion as Christianity. Did you find

the bigotory here. Hindu'ism' is like other 'isms' like capitalism,

Marxism, Communism which may be accepted or may not be accepted, in

short it is not perfect. While Cristian'ity' is Like Gravity which

exists, which is truth, that is Christianity is a perfect religion

while Hinduism is not. Hinduism was coined after refering to river

Indus. Everything India, Hindu, Hinduism, Sindh(now in Pakistan) have

common origin. Its original inhabitants called it Sanatana Dharma,

which is difficult to translate in English, the nearest meaning could

be "Eternel rythm of cosmos".

Now towards your utter contempt regarding Hindus. I really

don't know what you mean by saying some Christains in New York asked

Ammachi to give mantra but not to include Hindu stuff. Here is my

advice to them: Not to use numbers (from 0 to 9) rather use Roman

numerals(x,v,vi etc), since numbers (0 to 9) are origined in India

hence Hindu(read heathens since you used 'mlecchas' in your letter)

don't use them. Dont practice any kind of YOGA since it is from India

hence Hindu. I want to enlighten those people not use any software

are computer products because, Hindus did and are doing immense

research in these feilds. Finally don't ever see Ammachi because she

is Hindu, and I have a question here why should those Christians met

Ammachi in first place, they can go for their Pope for a mantra, this

I can neber understand.

I am Hindu (I belive in Non-duality(advaita)), you must be

Christian so I have some serious questions regarding Christians in

general. Why do Christians bury their body not cremate. Even high

School student knows that 80% of human body is composed of water,

similarly blood is made from Haemoglobin, which is Iron. Bone from

Phosphurus. Protiens from Amino acids which are basically NH2 groups,

on the whole most of the human body is made from 4 primary building

blocks carbon, hydrogen,oxygen,Nitrogen. So human body is MATTER,

once body dies matter goes back to its nature. So why bury that body

which does'nt make any sense, occupying huge tracts of land make it

useless. Now they say soul goes to Heaven, if soul is not body

(matter) it should be formless, ok something formless should be ALL

PERVADING. IF SOMETHING IS ALL PERVADING where does it go are where

does it come from. Hence soul going to Heaven is childish prank. One

more thing is it possible that I can get a Hindu mantra from

Christian guru say like pope? never, but Ammachi gave christian

mantra.

This shows how much Sanata Dharama is fexible unlike all

ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS (christianity, Islam, Judaism)arising from middle-

eastern desert, everyone claiming that only their relgion is perfect.

Sanatana Dharma never says that, because its appraoch is different

one pays attention towards his Karma trying to attain perfection. One

more thing I am devotee of Kali, my approach of god in dual plane

(dvaita plane) is feminine. I DON'T FIND NOTHING NOTE WORTHY IN

ABRAHAMIC RELEGIONS ABOUT FEMININE. Instead god is Male scaring away

people with primitive HELL and HEAVEN concepts. Its only Sanatana

Dharma which gives total respect to women which they deseve, only

religion where god is praised as woman.

I Know this forum is not for religious debate, any how if some

body as prejudices and misconceptions with anything, its others duty

to clear their prejudices.

I AM EAGERLY AND EARNESTLY WAITING FOR REPLY FROM THE CHRISTIAN

LET US HAVE SOME DEBATE, PLEASE DONT COME WITH BIBLICAL

INTERPRETATIONS,I AM A COMUTER SCIENCE STUDENT I LIKE TO ARGUE WITH

ISSUES THAT RELATES TO SCIENTIFIC FACTS AND COMMAN SENSE AND THAT

CONVINCE ME, MOST OF THE TIME OUR DEBATE SHOULD INVOLVE ANALYSIS AND

LOGIC, IT SHOULD'NT INCLUDE SOMETHING WRITTEN BY SOMEONE SOME 2000

YEARS AGO.

 

from a Hindu

Avinash Ramidi

Bridgeport, CT

Om Namah shivaya!

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Dear Avinash

 

Om Namah Shivaya

 

You have completely misunderstood Len/ Kalipadma's e-mail. You have gotten upset

for no reason it seems. Though some of your concerns are genuine, I am not sure

what her e-mail has to do anything with that.

 

Peace

Ravi

-

avinash7_99 <avinash7_99

Ammachi

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 9:55 AM

Re: Curious...

 

 

I dont understand your problem, I baffled by your ignorance. FOR

YOUR KIND INFORMATION SANSKRIT IS NOT DEAD LANGUAGE. Most of the

classic works in India are written in Sanskrit. Pantanjali Yoga

sutras, Arthashastra,kama sutra, Upanishads, Vedas. Most of the

Indian Languages are derived from Sanaskrit. Excuse me for your

comment! that sanskrit has nothing to with Malayalam. More than 90%

of Malayalam words are from Sanaskrit. Do you know that Hindi is the

direct descent form Snaskrit with little bit of change in Devanagari

script. Most of the Indian languages are updated versions of

Sanskrit, which being prototype. Your argument is as absurd as

claiming C language is dead, SINCE now days people only use Visual

C++, SHOULD I ENLIGHTEN YOU that Visual c++ is derived from C++ and

C++ from C. So what kind argument would be to claim C as the dead

language.

Now regarding to Hinduism, the very term is a misnomer. Coined

by westners, who labled thier religion as Christianity. Did you find

the bigotory here. Hindu'ism' is like other 'isms' like capitalism,

Marxism, Communism which may be accepted or may not be accepted, in

short it is not perfect. While Cristian'ity' is Like Gravity which

exists, which is truth, that is Christianity is a perfect religion

while Hinduism is not. Hinduism was coined after refering to river

Indus. Everything India, Hindu, Hinduism, Sindh(now in Pakistan) have

common origin. Its original inhabitants called it Sanatana Dharma,

which is difficult to translate in English, the nearest meaning could

be "Eternel rythm of cosmos".

Now towards your utter contempt regarding Hindus. I really

don't know what you mean by saying some Christains in New York asked

Ammachi to give mantra but not to include Hindu stuff. Here is my

advice to them: Not to use numbers (from 0 to 9) rather use Roman

numerals(x,v,vi etc), since numbers (0 to 9) are origined in India

hence Hindu(read heathens since you used 'mlecchas' in your letter)

don't use them. Dont practice any kind of YOGA since it is from India

hence Hindu. I want to enlighten those people not use any software

are computer products because, Hindus did and are doing immense

research in these feilds. Finally don't ever see Ammachi because she

is Hindu, and I have a question here why should those Christians met

Ammachi in first place, they can go for their Pope for a mantra, this

I can neber understand.

I am Hindu (I belive in Non-duality(advaita)), you must be

Christian so I have some serious questions regarding Christians in

general. Why do Christians bury their body not cremate. Even high

School student knows that 80% of human body is composed of water,

similarly blood is made from Haemoglobin, which is Iron. Bone from

Phosphurus. Protiens from Amino acids which are basically NH2 groups,

on the whole most of the human body is made from 4 primary building

blocks carbon, hydrogen,oxygen,Nitrogen. So human body is MATTER,

once body dies matter goes back to its nature. So why bury that body

which does'nt make any sense, occupying huge tracts of land make it

useless. Now they say soul goes to Heaven, if soul is not body

(matter) it should be formless, ok something formless should be ALL

PERVADING. IF SOMETHING IS ALL PERVADING where does it go are where

does it come from. Hence soul going to Heaven is childish prank. One

more thing is it possible that I can get a Hindu mantra from

Christian guru say like pope? never, but Ammachi gave christian

mantra.

This shows how much Sanata Dharama is fexible unlike all

ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS (christianity, Islam, Judaism)arising from middle-

eastern desert, everyone claiming that only their relgion is perfect.

Sanatana Dharma never says that, because its appraoch is different

one pays attention towards his Karma trying to attain perfection. One

more thing I am devotee of Kali, my approach of god in dual plane

(dvaita plane) is feminine. I DON'T FIND NOTHING NOTE WORTHY IN

ABRAHAMIC RELEGIONS ABOUT FEMININE. Instead god is Male scaring away

people with primitive HELL and HEAVEN concepts. Its only Sanatana

Dharma which gives total respect to women which they deseve, only

religion where god is praised as woman.

I Know this forum is not for religious debate, any how if some

body as prejudices and misconceptions with anything, its others duty

to clear their prejudices.

I AM EAGERLY AND EARNESTLY WAITING FOR REPLY FROM THE CHRISTIAN

LET US HAVE SOME DEBATE, PLEASE DONT COME WITH BIBLICAL

INTERPRETATIONS,I AM A COMUTER SCIENCE STUDENT I LIKE TO ARGUE WITH

ISSUES THAT RELATES TO SCIENTIFIC FACTS AND COMMAN SENSE AND THAT

CONVINCE ME, MOST OF THE TIME OUR DEBATE SHOULD INVOLVE ANALYSIS AND

LOGIC, IT SHOULD'NT INCLUDE SOMETHING WRITTEN BY SOMEONE SOME 2000

YEARS AGO.

 

from a Hindu

Avinash Ramidi

Bridgeport, CT

Om Namah shivaya!

 

 

 

Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

Ammachi

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Len/Kalipadma

 

Om Namah Shivaya

 

Thanks for your e-mail, I enjoyed it. I was not upset by your e-mail, but I can

see why some people might.

 

You seem to make statements on subjects on which you don't have complete

knowledge with so much confidence that I am surprised. To say that Malayalam is

unrelated language or any other Indian language is unrelated to Sanskrit is

factually incorrect. To say Sanskrit is dead is like saying God is dead,

Sanskrit permeates the daily life of an Indian just as God permeates the whole

existence.

 

Om Namah Shivaya

Ravi

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Black Lotus L Rosenberg

Ammachi

Monday, December 16, 2002 7:50 PM

Re: Curious...

 

 

 

 

On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:49:57 EST pwhite0130 writes:

 

>

> None of the mantras are Hindu (as far as I know).

 

<Hindu> [final U] is the religion based on the Vedas, Puranas, and so

forth. Most of the mantras Ammachi gives are based on Hindu names of God

(or Goddess), or on Hindu concepts like <dharma> (correct behavior),

<karma> (cause and effect), etc. In that sense, most of the mantras Amma

gives are Hindu..

 

<Hindi> [final I] is one of the dozen or so modern languages spoken in

India. It is mostly spoken in Northern India. Ammachi is from Southern

India, and her native speech is <Malayalam>, an unrelated language.

 

.

> They are in Sanscript ... language of the Gurus.

>

 

I'm smiling at your spelling. <Script> is English for "writing," so it

seems appropriate, but the ancient language you're referring to is

usually spelled <Sanskrit> (meaning "perfectly spoken"). Sanskrit is a

"dead" language, used only for religious or liturgical purposes (rather

like Catholics used to use Latin). Some scholars insist ALL <mantras>

must be in Sanskrit -- other languages may be chanted for meditation, but

they should be called prayers, or spells, or affirmations...

 

So Sanskrit is the language of the Gurus, AND of Hindu Priests, AND of

scholars of Ancient India.

 

A funny story -- a few years ago, a large group of American Charismatic

Christians came to see Ammachi when she was here in New York. They

wanted to practice mantra meditation, but they carefully explained that

they had no truck with this Hindu stuff, and they wanted to meditate on

Jesus. Amma is very ecumenical (her home state of Kerala has many

Moslems and many Christians), so she gave the Christians (in Sanskrit!)

mantras for Jesus.

 

Some of her <brahmacharyins> (the renunciate Hindu priests who travel

with Amma) were not so open-minded though, and they began to cock a hairy

eyeball at the dozens of <mlacchas> (non-Hindus) thronging around saying

things like "I want a mantra, too, praise Jesus!"

 

When my friend, who is also a Westerner, but a student of Hinduism, took

darshan of Ammachi, and asked for a mantra, the priest he was sent to

sneered at my friend and asked, "Praise Jesus?" "Goodness, no," said my

friend. "My <ishtadevata> (chosen deity) is Narasimha, Vishnu's man-lion

incarnation."

 

The priest almost hugged him! Finally, a Hindu!

 

-- Len/ Kalipadma

 

 

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Sanskrit permeates _my_ daily life, and I'm a good-ole

Christian-raised lilly-white American.

 

Jai Kaalii Maa!!!

--Aravind

 

--- Ravi Chivukula <ravichivukula wrote:

> Dear Len/Kalipadma

>

> Om Namah Shivaya

>

> Thanks for your e-mail, I enjoyed it. I was not

> upset by your e-mail, but I can see why some people

> might.

>

> You seem to make statements on subjects on which you

> don't have complete knowledge with so much

> confidence that I am surprised. To say that

> Malayalam is unrelated language or any other Indian

> language is unrelated to Sanskrit is factually

> incorrect. To say Sanskrit is dead is like saying

> God is dead, Sanskrit permeates the daily life of an

> Indian just as God permeates the whole existence.

>

> Om Namah Shivaya

> Ravi

> -

> Black Lotus L Rosenberg

> Ammachi

> Monday, December 16, 2002 7:50 PM

> Re: Curious...

>

>

>

>

> On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:49:57 EST

> pwhite0130 writes:

>

> >

> > None of the mantras are Hindu (as far as I

> know).

>

> <Hindu> [final U] is the religion based on the

> Vedas, Puranas, and so

> forth. Most of the mantras Ammachi gives are

> based on Hindu names of God

> (or Goddess), or on Hindu concepts like <dharma>

> (correct behavior),

> <karma> (cause and effect), etc. In that sense,

> most of the mantras Amma

> gives are Hindu..

>

> <Hindi> [final I] is one of the dozen or so modern

> languages spoken in

> India. It is mostly spoken in Northern India.

> Ammachi is from Southern

> India, and her native speech is <Malayalam>, an

> unrelated language.

>

> .

> > They are in Sanscript ... language of the

> Gurus.

> >

>

> I'm smiling at your spelling. <Script> is English

> for "writing," so it

> seems appropriate, but the ancient language you're

> referring to is

> usually spelled <Sanskrit> (meaning "perfectly

> spoken"). Sanskrit is a

> "dead" language, used only for religious or

> liturgical purposes (rather

> like Catholics used to use Latin). Some scholars

> insist ALL <mantras>

> must be in Sanskrit -- other languages may be

> chanted for meditation, but

> they should be called prayers, or spells, or

> affirmations...

>

> So Sanskrit is the language of the Gurus, AND of

> Hindu Priests, AND of

> scholars of Ancient India.

>

> A funny story -- a few years ago, a large group

> of American Charismatic

> Christians came to see Ammachi when she was here

> in New York. They

> wanted to practice mantra meditation, but they

> carefully explained that

> they had no truck with this Hindu stuff, and they

> wanted to meditate on

> Jesus. Amma is very ecumenical (her home state of

> Kerala has many

> Moslems and many Christians), so she gave the

> Christians (in Sanskrit!)

> mantras for Jesus.

>

> Some of her <brahmacharyins> (the renunciate Hindu

> priests who travel

> with Amma) were not so open-minded though, and

> they began to cock a hairy

> eyeball at the dozens of <mlacchas> (non-Hindus)

> thronging around saying

> things like "I want a mantra, too, praise Jesus!"

>

> When my friend, who is also a Westerner, but a

> student of Hinduism, took

> darshan of Ammachi, and asked for a mantra, the

> priest he was sent to

> sneered at my friend and asked, "Praise Jesus?"

> "Goodness, no," said my

> friend. "My <ishtadevata> (chosen deity) is

> Narasimha, Vishnu's man-lion

> incarnation."

>

> The priest almost hugged him! Finally, a Hindu!

>

> -- Len/ Kalipadma

>

>

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Dear Avinash --

 

Please continue to study Ammachi's teachings. You would especially

benefit from reading what she says about anger.. Whee-ooo! What a

temper you have!

 

On Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:55:09 -0000 "avinash7_99 <avinash7_99"

<avinash7_99 writes:

> I dont understand your problem, I baffled by your ignorance. FOR

> YOUR KIND INFORMATION SANSKRIT IS NOT DEAD LANGUAGE.

 

Avinash, my brother -- Linguists use the term "dead language" to describe

a language which has been preserved unchanged for hundreds of years.

"Living languages" develop slang, have local variants, and develop

dialects, and eventually become different (if related) languages. "Dead

languages" are preserved from change, usually because they are used for

liturgical (religious) purposes.

 

I love Sanskrit. I am (slowly, with difficulty) studying it. No insult

was meant in referring to it as a "dead language." I compared it to

Latin, which is also a "dead language." As are biblical Hebrew, and

biblical Greek..

 

> Excuse me for your

> comment! that sanskrit has nothing to with Malayalam. More than 90%

> of Malayalam words are from Sanaskrit. Do you know that Hindi is the

> direct descent form Snaskrit with little bit of change in Devanagari

> script. Most of the Indian languages are updated versions of

> Sanskrit, which being prototype.

 

Excuse ME, but I was told that Malayalam was (like most South Indian

languages) derived from Dravidian roots, not Sanskrit. What Sanskrit is

used by Malayalm speakers derives from Vedic religious texts. Was I

misinformed? Is there a Malyalam speaker on List who can clear this up?

 

 

> Now regarding to Hinduism, the very term is a misnomer. Coined

> by westners, who labled thier religion as Christianity. Did you find

> the bigotory here.

 

I have been reading "Hinduism Today" magazine for many many years, long

enough to know that the more accurate name for the religion is Sanatana

Dharma. Sometimes we use shorthand. Again, with no insult intended or

implied.

 

 

> Now towards your utter contempt regarding Hindus. I really

> don't know what you mean by saying some Christains in New York asked

> Ammachi to give mantra but not to include Hindu stuff. Here is my

> advice to them....

 

My advice to YOU is to read more carefully. I did not at any time claim

that *I* was one of the Christians. How dare you accuse me of contempt

for Hindus!

 

 

> I have a question here why should those Christians met

> Ammachi in first place, they can go for their Pope for a mantra,

> this I can neber understand.

 

Avinash, those Christians were NOT Catholics, so the Pope was unlikely to

see them. Moreover, the Pope doesn't give mantras. Amma DOES, and (as

others on this list have written) she will give them to Christians,

Moslems, Jews, Scientologists -- anybody.

 

 

> I am Hindu (I belive in Non-duality(advaita)), you must be

> Christian so I have some serious questions regarding Christians in

> general.

 

I was born into a Jewish family. In 1980 I moved to Flushing, Queens.

Exploring the neighborhood, I discovered the Hindu Temple on Bowne

Street. I walked in, took off my shoes, and approached the central

shrine to Lord Ganesha. I lost about 15 minutes of consciousness. When

I came back to consciousness (still standing), my face was wet with

tears, and I had the feeling of finally coming home.

 

I have considered myself a Hindu from that moment.

 

> One more thing I am devotee of Kali, my approach of god in dual plane

> (dvaita plane) is feminine.

 

What a coincidence! I am also a Shakta. Very fond of Kali Ma, but

primarily devoted to Sarasvati.

 

 

> I DON'T FIND NOTHING NOTE WORTHY IN

> ABRAHAMIC RELEGIONS ABOUT FEMININE. Instead god is Male scaring away

> people with primitive HELL and HEAVEN concepts.

 

Judaism had concepts like the Shekhina and the Shabbos Bride, but they

were oppressed and discarded. (When still a Jew, I liked best the

candle-lighting on Friday night, when the Shabbos Bride is invoked to

descend in peace.)

 

 

> Its only Sanatana

> Dharma which gives total respect to women which they deseve, only

> religion where god is praised as woman.

 

<tvameva mata cha pita tvameva>

(Thou art indeed my Mother and my Father, Thou art indeed)

 

 

> from a Hindu

> Avinash Ramidi

> Bridgeport, CT

> Om Namah shivaya!

>

 

Shanti, Avinash! Om prashanti nirkrodha prashamana svaha!

(Let peace prevail, and not anger.)

 

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Ravi -- Thank you for coming to my defense.

 

(You got my gender wrong, however -- I'm a male.)

 

-- Len (short for Leonard)/ Kalipadma

 

 

On Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:26:54 -0800 "Ravi Chivukula"

<ravichivukula writes:

> Dear Avinash

>

> Om Namah Shivaya

>

> You have completely misunderstood Len/ Kalipadma's e-mail. You have

> gotten upset for no reason it seems. Though some of your concerns

> are genuine, I am not sure what her e-mail has to do anything with

> that.

>

> Peace

> Ravi

 

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Dear Len! I didn't mean to hurt you, if I did I hope you will pardon

me. But let me explain my views: IT SEEMS YOU ARE BACK TO SQUARE ONE

WITH ARYAN AND DRAVIDIAN MYTHS.

I am a South Indian, but my mother tongue is Telugu. Telugu is 75%

sanskrit, any telugu person can understand almost every word if ones

speaks in sanskrit. Infact sounds are so similar between the two

languages that it is hard to say that they are unrelated. Aryan means

is not a name of a race but "noble" person. For example all ancient

seers name would end with arya: Shukrach'arya', shankarach'arya',

vallabach'arya', Ramunjach'arya'. In fact a teacher is known as

ach'arya'. Now in Telugu(south Indian language) we call our

father 'ayyah' which is corrupted form of arya, similarly most of the

Telugu names would end with ayya like Ramayya, sitaramayya etc. What

I am trying to explain that south Indians like north would use the

term arya very much. Now Dravidian if divsion exists it only permits

to Tamil, which is Sangam. But calling Telugu a distinct language is

totally baseless. And malayalam is more sanskritised than Telugu, its

one of the modern languges developed some 1200 or 1400 years ago.

 

Myth of Aryan invasion theory is long been disproved with

findings of Harappa,mohenjadaro, Lothal etc. It was intoduced by

German indologist Max Muller, who was sponsered by the then ruling

British. Now it is toatally politicalised, so it is hard to shun it.

 

But can you please explain what do you mean when you say

that"narrow minded bramacharis travelling with ammachi" and you use

the term "mlecchah". Who told you that brahmacharis are narrow minded

and they view weterners as mlecchah. Had you ever been to Amritapuri,

do you know that what kind of life brahamacharis lead, they have one

of the tuffest and hardest life. They sleep on the floor, they sleep

only 3 to 4 hours. Their food is devoid of any taste hardly edible.

They are always engaged in some work or the other, most of them are

fresh college graduates in early twenties. Most of them are un

shaven, staying far away from their parents and relatives and the

world, they are always working even if they are sick. Any westner who

had not been to Amritapuri Ashram has no idea about the place. In

United states amma is only accompanied with some senior swamis that's

all, but the major chunk stay in India involved in service. For your

kind information life in India is not as easy as life in United

states, getting things done by bypassing the obstacles is very

difficult. Do you have any idea how difficult it is to be a

brahamachari, every second one should be vigilant of one's own

thought's, with total detachment to anything in remaining part of

one's life. Now 'mlecchah" which means "worst then untouchable" so

according to you this is how renunciates view westeners, PLEASE GIVE

ME A BREAK. Another intresting term used by you is "charismatic

christians" can you please explain what kind of "Charisma" these

people possess others lack.

You said you are JEWISH. Let me explain something about Judaism

in India. India is the only country which provided refugee for Jews,

when both Jihadis and crusaders hated them. They were never tolerated

from carpet of countries spreading from Morroco to Iran, not to

forget former soviet republics especially Tajikistan( pariculary in

Dushanbe its capital). In India they were given full freedom,

particulary sanatana dharma has nothing that condems other's

religion. In fact a Hindu Raja of kerela gave them huge tracts of

land so that they practice their religion. If any damage was done it

was due to invading portugese who were surprised to see Jews let go

free. By 1947 , 25000 jews moved to Isreal. But still India has Jews

(Baghdad(iraqi) jews) particulalry in Thane district of Maharashtra.

Verily whatever one may say or what ever one may write Sanatana

Dharma is most flexible, ever rejuvinating, most ancient at the same

time ultra-modern enriched with incarinations of people like Ammachi,

Anandmayi maa, Sarada Devi, Swami Vivekanada, Swami Dayananda(arya

samaj), Ramana Mharshi,Swami Rama, Paramahamsa Yogananda, Sri

Aurbindo, Sri Ramakrishna Paramahansa, Trilinga swami oh! the list is

endless.

Since you are a Jewish\Hindu, there is a beautiful website by a

Jewish\Hindu yogi called Sankara Saranam (I am his great fan). His

website is www.pranayama.org , i simply adore his weekly messages.

 

Avinash Ramidi

Om namah shivaya!

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On Wednesday, December 18, 2002, at 03:26 AM, avinash7_99

<avinash7_99 wrote:

 

 

> Another intresting term used by you is "charismatic

> christians" can you please explain what kind of "Charisma" these

> people possess others lack.

>      You said you are JEWISH. Let me explain something about Judaism

> in India. India is the only country which provided refugee for Jews,

> when both Jihadis and crusaders hated them.

 

 

 

We are all Gods children here, whether we are Hindi, Jewish, Christian,

or whatever--the things you talk about-these are minor differences that

are far overshadowed by our larger similarities--We are all children of

God who have been fortunate enough, each on our different paths, to

have stumbled upon the divine love and compassion of Amma. Let's focus

on what we have in common instead of our less important differences!

 

 

In Amma's divine love,

 

Sara

 

 

 

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Dear Sara, I agree with you, but u misunderstood me. I was pointing

towards the language used by Kalipadma "narrow minded brahmacharis

travelling with ammachi" and "mlecchas", these are words I reacted

for.

I am Ammachi's devotee since atleast 5 years. I joined this forum

recently,there are some intresting articles bashing Santana Dharma

left and right with baseless and clueless theories. "myth of Hiduism"

and "genocide of women in Hinduism" are 2 such examples,ironically

every body is buying those theories WITH NONE PROTESTING. I said

nothing, finally Brahmacharies are also not spared. If you are so

much concerned about humanity then why did'nt you reacted earlier

when some one was defaming hinduism mercilessly with "genocide of

women in hinduism" theories. Sara where are u when one is mocking

brhamacharies, U ONLY REACT WHEN ONE DEFENDS HINDUISM WHY THIS

PARTIALITY?

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Namaste.

Dear Listers,

 

Am writing in response to current thread begun by an exchange between Len

and Avinash.

 

First, thanks to those who stepped in to calm down the personal tensions

that were aroused.

 

Would like to suggest we avoid personal attacks on our list. Let's stick

with "I". It's fine to express different views. We all learn from that. In

fact, I appreciate the information in the recent messages. It picks up from

a message while back from Rasta naga, which had very interesting historic

information. I think it would help if we could avoid "rhetoric" in our

messages. Afraid some of the shyer members will never jump in if they see

the risk of personal attack.

 

By Amma's grace, have become involved in "The Institute for Racial Healing",

a local organization confronting racial issues, based on a book by Reginald

Newkirk and Nathan Rutstein. This approach views race as a myth and racism

as a disease by which we are all infected.

 

To echo my sister Sara's message, recent studies of DNA show that we are all

99.9% the same genetically. This means that we are all cousins related by

blood 50 generations back. Praying by Amma's grace we can all learn to be

loving and peaceful with each other.

 

To that end, offer the following little story:

 

A master once asked his students how they could tell when the night had

ended and the day would begin.

 

"Could it be," asked one student, "when you can see a cow in the

distance and you can tell whether it is a black cow or a brown cow?"

 

"No," answered the master. Another eager student blurted out, "Is it when

you can look at a tree in the distance and tell whether it's a mango or a

coconut tree?"

 

"No, child. Wrong again," replied the master.

 

"Well, just what is it, then?" a third impatient student demanded.

 

Ever so slowly and ever so softly, the master whispered: "It is when you can

look on the face of any person and see that it is yourSelf. Because unless

you can see this, it is still night."

 

In Amma's all encompassing love,

premarupa

Aum Amriteshvaryai Namah

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IHey, Bro:

 

Thanks for correcting me!

 

> >None of the mantras are Hindu (as far as I know).

>

> <snip> Most of the mantras Ammachi gives are based on Hindu names of God

> (or Goddess) <snip>

>

> >They are in Sanscript ... language of the Gurus.

> >

>

> I'm smiling at your spelling.

 

Me too. My spellin is about as good as my typig.

 

Peter

 

 

 

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Hi Avinash,

 

What you did is quite right, except that you slightly got

carried away by emotions.

 

Personaly I am sick of reacting to such posts having ..

 

( "narrow minded brahmacharis

travelling with ammachi" and "mlecchas", )

 

( "myth of Hiduism" , "genocide of women in Hinduism"

"genocide of women in hinduism" )

 

I too was very much hurt by the posts mentioned above. But just due

to some resolution I abstained from reacting to it so that it dont haunt me

for

long. So it just remained for a day. On the other hand it had been

hurting you for about a month. Is this hurt and pain worth enough..?

 

After, all these efforts and commotion, ultimately no one

is changed. I remains the same me and he the same him.

Words can seldom change someone. Experience or real thirst for

truth is required for that. If he had real thirst for truth he

wouldnt have framed such rebukes without proper investigation. So

leave it. Now experience, how can we mortals provide experience to

others. Just look at Mothers ways, she never reacts harshly, her reaction

is through silence.

 

In her own words :"I will not tell your mistakes, but

I will show you your mistakes. Because, if I tell you, you will take it

through one ear and throw it out through the other. But instead if I show

your mistakes you cant forget them".

 

But remember Mothers ways of showing as so esoteric that until everything

is

over you will never know that it was her play. Attimes this act of show

will

be devastating, and we might resemble a writhing child with a compassionate

Mother remorselessly cleaning the wounds. Such pain could not be forgotten

so

easily. But our emotional reaction with words will defenitely be forgotten.

 

Moreover giving more importance to such stupid conjectures proved

too costly for my peace of mind.

 

My initial gratification by bashing them eroded rapidly on noticing that no

real

change is happening in them and my peace of mind deteriorating.

 

 

At last I came to a conclusion : "I am incapable of changing anyone,

Only Guru's like mother can do it. I will react to such posts if and

only if mother gives an urge in my mind which is not derived from my ego

Or else a stage should reach in my spiritual evolution where I remain

totally undisturbed even while reacting to such posts".

 

 

In Mother own words "Mother is not telling that you shouldnt react.

But the words should be carefully weighed. It should have the softness

of heart and power of tapas".

 

 

Thus after a long habit of reacting to each and every poppycocks, i

am slightly recovering from it. Not because what I am doing is 100%

right, but just because it hurts me and hampers my progress with no

gains either to me or to others.

 

I feel that sooner or later you too might feel so.

 

 

But people like you, who could decimate the stupid views like

the above mentioned with elegant substantiations, are very much

required.

 

 

If you can uphold the dignity of Sanadhana Dharma while

urself remaining in peace, as swami Vivekananda has done,

go ahead, never stop. Else it might prove cosly for your

spiritual progress unless you have too much spiritual

disposition inherited from previous birth like swami Vivekananda.

 

He too could never withstand any false bashing against Sanadhana Dharma.

These are very much evident from his speaches. He bashed them left and

right

with so beautiful concepts. But remember he always remained unattached to

them

because he was a realised spirit. It never hampered his meditation,

devotion or

compassion.

 

I strongly feel that we need to take a serious look into the ways

propounded

by realised teachers like Mother, Swami Vivekananda, Ramakrishna deva,

Saradha Maa,

Ramanamaharshi etc. to deal with such rebukes. Even with their infinite

power they didnt attempt to silence

every babbling mouth. And when they did it, it really served the purpose.

So I feel

that we are missing something by the kind of emotional reaction that we do.

 

I was forced to write this just because of these lines :

 

"I joined this forum

recently,there are some intresting articles bashing Santana Dharma

left and right with baseless and clueless theories. "myth of Hiduism"

and "genocide of women in Hinduism" are 2 such examples,ironically

every body is buying those theories WITH NONE PROTESTING. I said

nothing, finally Brahmacharies are also not spared. If you are so

much concerned about humanity then why did'nt you reacted earlier

when some one was defaming hinduism mercilessly with "genocide of

women in hinduism" theories."

 

 

Silence doesnt have an implicit meaning of "taking for granted" or

in your words "buying theories with none protesting".

 

I dont indent to hurt anyone or promote anyone.

 

So kindly forgive if I have made any mistakes.

 

Ohm Amrithesvaryay Namah

 

-regards

manesh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

avinash7_99 <avinash7_99 [avinash7_99]

Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:10 PM

Ammachi

Re: Curious...

 

 

Dear Sara, I agree with you, but u misunderstood me. I was pointing

towards the language used by Kalipadma "narrow minded brahmacharis

travelling with ammachi" and "mlecchas", these are words I reacted

for.

I am Ammachi's devotee since atleast 5 years. I joined this forum

recently,there are some intresting articles bashing Santana Dharma

left and right with baseless and clueless theories. "myth of Hiduism"

and "genocide of women in Hinduism" are 2 such examples,ironically

every body is buying those theories WITH NONE PROTESTING. I said

nothing, finally Brahmacharies are also not spared. If you are so

much concerned about humanity then why did'nt you reacted earlier

when some one was defaming hinduism mercilessly with "genocide of

women in hinduism" theories. Sara where are u when one is mocking

brhamacharies, U ONLY REACT WHEN ONE DEFENDS HINDUISM WHY THIS

PARTIALITY?

 

 

Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

 

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Dear Manesh your letter was a eye opener. You spoke feelings of my

heart. I knew it before writting the letter it is not going to change

him or me. I had no right to point fingers at others, when I myself

infested with lot of vasanas. After all who am I to judge others.

Mocking sanatana dharma is fine as already so many stereotypes

exist in the west,But I really took personaly when some body did not

even spare Brahmacharies. There are some reasons why I reacted

emotionally, I am 23 right now. I used to spend lot of my time in

Ramakrishna mutt in my teenage years. I was really impressed by swami

vivekananda who is still my hero. Of all the 16 direct disciples of

Sri Ramakrishna the one who was close to Vivekananda was swami

Akandananda(Gangadhar), whom I simply adore. I never shed tears but

when I read about his(akandananda) biography I did,I was simply

amazed about his spiritual adventures and travels on foot through out

the himalayas when he was barely 20. Similarly Dayanada Sarawathi

founder of Arya Samaj, perhaps he led the toughest life any body

could imagine. Besides this I was closley assosiated with monks of

Ramakrishna Mutt, Swami Ranganathananda, Swami Paramarthananda. Swami

Ranganathananda(now president of Ramkrishna mission) was already

above 90 years old. He joind Ramakrishna Mission in 1928 when he was

barely 17 or 18 years old. Apart from them I was very close to new

recruits. I used to simply admire them, their dedication,their purity

is really incredible.

In 1997 Ammachi came in to my Life when I was 18. One of the

Brahmachari posted in Hyderabad was Sadashiv Chaitanya, he was young

simply amazing with out a trace of ego, he was so down to Earth,he

had good management skills. I really had good time with him. When I

went to Amritapuri ashram I was delighted and saddend at the same

time, delighted because I was in Amritapuri,saddend because I was

doing nothing for my spritual evolvement. One of the beauties of

Ashram is the sight of young brahmacharies and brahmacharinies in

early 20's, fresh college graduates renouncing the world, leading

very harshest life. On the other hand I am no where, engrossed in the

world of maya and illusion, good for nothing, without any thirst for

truth. I might have met atleast two or three brahmacharies whose mere

sight calms your mind. These people atleast meditate for 8 hours a

day sleep very less, as a matter of fact they are very humble and

selfless. When ever I recall Amritapuri what strikes my mind is

Brahmacharies and their tremendous selfless work. I thought mocking

Brahamacharies is negative Karma, because they take the vow of non-

voilence.

Manesh it seems your the only person who seems to understand

me , may be it is due to our Indian upbringing. May be it is fashion

in west to mock at people, because it is 'slang' as one reader put

it. I realize that it is basically the cultural differences.

Anyway what ever expressed above is my views. If I hurt some body

please for give me as your brother who is a tamasic character

engrossed in maya. What I need from you brothers and sisters are well

wishes.

Thanks Manesh once again for your letter especially regarding

detachment, which I am striving hard to attain with ups and downs. I

wish detachment not only to you Manesh but for all fellow Ammachi

devotees.

 

Shanti shanti shanti

Avinash Ramidi

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Dear All,

 

The Bible says a soft answer turneth away wrath,

so I want my words to be very soft. Speaking for

myself, I did not even read the "defamatory" posts

because I realized they came from a source that

I considered unbalanced and unreliable. (I'm

speaking of the "myth of Hinduism, etc.). I just

hit delete. So of course there was no response

to post.

 

Re Kalipadma's post, I think it's important to

understand that westerners in India have sometimes

felt disrespected by a few of the brahmacharis and

brahmacharinis there. What Mother is doing is

bringing together two very disparate cultures.

She is capable of bridging all gaps, but her children

have a more difficult time of it. You know,

She puts us all in a rock tumbler and as

Swamini Krishnamrita says, "lets us all work on

each other." So I pray that these words do not

offend, and that we all become expansive enough

to understand the cultural differences or at

least accept that Amma is teaching us through

the parts we don't understand.

 

In Amma,

Jyotsna

 

--- "avinash7_99 <avinash7_99"

<avinash7_99 wrote:

> Dear Sara, I agree with you, but u misunderstood me.

> I was pointing

> towards the language used by Kalipadma "narrow

> minded brahmacharis

> travelling with ammachi" and "mlecchas", these are

> words I reacted

> for.

> I am Ammachi's devotee since atleast 5 years. I

> joined this forum

> recently,there are some intresting articles bashing

> Santana Dharma

> left and right with baseless and clueless theories.

> "myth of Hiduism"

> and "genocide of women in Hinduism" are 2 such

> examples,ironically

> every body is buying those theories WITH NONE

> PROTESTING. I said

> nothing, finally Brahmacharies are also not spared.

> If you are so

> much concerned about humanity then why did'nt you

> reacted earlier

> when some one was defaming hinduism mercilessly with

> "genocide of

> women in hinduism" theories. Sara where are u when

> one is mocking

> brhamacharies, U ONLY REACT WHEN ONE DEFENDS

> HINDUISM WHY THIS

> PARTIALITY?

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Dear Premarupa,

 

thank you for this short story:

about when night ends and day begins.

 

The story has a timeless message.

Amma smiles through you.

Thank you again.

 

In Amma's Love,

Sara J.

 

-- In Ammachi, Kenna <kenna@m...> wrote:

>

> Namaste.

> Dear Listers,

>

> Am writing in response to current thread begun by an exchange

between Len

> and Avinash.

>

> First, thanks to those who stepped in to calm down the personal

tensions

> that were aroused.

>

> Would like to suggest we avoid personal attacks on our list. Let's

stick

> with "I". It's fine to express different views. We all learn from

that. In

> fact, I appreciate the information in the recent messages. It picks

up from

> a message while back from Rasta naga, which had very interesting

historic

> information. I think it would help if we could avoid "rhetoric" in

our

> messages. Afraid some of the shyer members will never jump in if

they see

> the risk of personal attack.

>

> By Amma's grace, have become involved in "The Institute for Racial

Healing",

> a local organization confronting racial issues, based on a book by

Reginald

> Newkirk and Nathan Rutstein. This approach views race as a myth and

racism

> as a disease by which we are all infected.

>

> To echo my sister Sara's message, recent studies of DNA show that

we are all

> 99.9% the same genetically. This means that we are all cousins

related by

> blood 50 generations back. Praying by Amma's grace we can all

learn to be

> loving and peaceful with each other.

>

> To that end, offer the following little story:

>

> A master once asked his students how they could tell when the night

had

> ended and the day would begin.

>

> "Could it be," asked one student, "when you can see a cow in the

> distance and you can tell whether it is a black cow or a brown cow?"

>

> "No," answered the master. Another eager student blurted out, "Is

it when

> you can look at a tree in the distance and tell whether it's a

mango or a

> coconut tree?"

>

> "No, child. Wrong again," replied the master.

>

> "Well, just what is it, then?" a third impatient student demanded.

>

> Ever so slowly and ever so softly, the master whispered: "It is

when you can

> look on the face of any person and see that it is yourSelf. Because

unless

> you can see this, it is still night."

>

> In Amma's all encompassing love,

> premarupa

> Aum Amriteshvaryai Namah

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Ammachi, Robin Wilson <lilymoonjewel>

wrote:

 

> > Does anyone know if Amma has any CDs with her own chants on them

>

Robin,

 

I believe the CD's Amma's Own (Part 1 and 2) are all Mother's

compositions and she is singing on them.

 

Lisa

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