Guest guest Posted December 16, 2002 Report Share Posted December 16, 2002 Jai Robin: > Does anyone know if Amma has ever gave anyone a manta that wasn't Hindu and > Does anyone know if Amma has any CDs with her own chants on them Are you talking about a Hindu person ir a Hindu mantra? She has given a lot of mantras to non-Hindus ... particuilarily to use westerners. There is no requirement as to a person religion. None of the mantras are Hindu (as far as I know). They are in Sanscript ... language of the Gurus. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2002 Report Share Posted December 16, 2002 Namaste... I am just curious on a couple of things .....Does anyone know if Amma has ever gave anyone a manta that wasn't Hindu and Does anyone know if Amma has any CDs with her own chants on them.....just some little things that have popped up in my head.... -Robin Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2002 Report Share Posted December 16, 2002 Yes thank you....I was referring to mantras as in has she ever gave a mantra in Buddhism or A Christian mantra to someone or is it alway Sanscrit? pwhite0130 wrote:Jai Robin: > Does anyone know if Amma has ever gave anyone a manta that wasn't Hindu and > Does anyone know if Amma has any CDs with her own chants on them Are you talking about a Hindu person ir a Hindu mantra? She has given a lot of mantras to non-Hindus ... particuilarily to use westerners. There is no requirement as to a person religion. None of the mantras are Hindu (as far as I know). They are in Sanscript ... language of the Gurus. Peter Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2002 Report Share Posted December 16, 2002 On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:49:57 EST pwhite0130 writes: > > None of the mantras are Hindu (as far as I know). <Hindu> [final U] is the religion based on the Vedas, Puranas, and so forth. Most of the mantras Ammachi gives are based on Hindu names of God (or Goddess), or on Hindu concepts like <dharma> (correct behavior), <karma> (cause and effect), etc. In that sense, most of the mantras Amma gives are Hindu.. <Hindi> [final I] is one of the dozen or so modern languages spoken in India. It is mostly spoken in Northern India. Ammachi is from Southern India, and her native speech is <Malayalam>, an unrelated language. .. > They are in Sanscript ... language of the Gurus. > I'm smiling at your spelling. <Script> is English for "writing," so it seems appropriate, but the ancient language you're referring to is usually spelled <Sanskrit> (meaning "perfectly spoken"). Sanskrit is a "dead" language, used only for religious or liturgical purposes (rather like Catholics used to use Latin). Some scholars insist ALL <mantras> must be in Sanskrit -- other languages may be chanted for meditation, but they should be called prayers, or spells, or affirmations... So Sanskrit is the language of the Gurus, AND of Hindu Priests, AND of scholars of Ancient India. A funny story -- a few years ago, a large group of American Charismatic Christians came to see Ammachi when she was here in New York. They wanted to practice mantra meditation, but they carefully explained that they had no truck with this Hindu stuff, and they wanted to meditate on Jesus. Amma is very ecumenical (her home state of Kerala has many Moslems and many Christians), so she gave the Christians (in Sanskrit!) mantras for Jesus. Some of her <brahmacharyins> (the renunciate Hindu priests who travel with Amma) were not so open-minded though, and they began to cock a hairy eyeball at the dozens of <mlacchas> (non-Hindus) thronging around saying things like "I want a mantra, too, praise Jesus!" When my friend, who is also a Westerner, but a student of Hinduism, took darshan of Ammachi, and asked for a mantra, the priest he was sent to sneered at my friend and asked, "Praise Jesus?" "Goodness, no," said my friend. "My <ishtadevata> (chosen deity) is Narasimha, Vishnu's man-lion incarnation." The priest almost hugged him! Finally, a Hindu! -- Len/ Kalipadma ______________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2002 Report Share Posted December 16, 2002 Namaste. > I am just curious on a couple of things .....Does anyone know if Amma has ever > gave anyone a manta that wasn't Hindu there's a great story in a Matruvani (pc users can read on the amritapuri.org page) about Amma giving a man a long Hebrew mantra in perfect Hebrew. and Does anyone know if Amma has any CDs > with her own chants on them there are many CD of Amma singing. don't know of any with her chanting, except some of the videos show Amma chanting. In Amma's grace, premarupa Aum Amriteshvaryai Namah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2002 Report Share Posted December 16, 2002 Hi Robin Whenever someone request Mother for mantra, with her consent you will be guided to another swami, who is delegated by mother for mantra. He will ask for your favourite deity. One's favourite deity can be anyone ( Christ, Budha, Alla, Ahura Mazda or anyone ). For Guru's like Mother all are embodiments of the same reality both in literal sense and also in experience. Non-dualists ( advaitist ) dont even have a deity. For them Mother gives mantras which are related to advaitist principles. Once you give your favaourite deity to the concerned swami, through him the almight Mother manifests the mantra which she indent to give you. This mantra scribled on a paper in malayalam is given to you. At the end of devi bhava devotees who has got the consent of mother for mantra comes to her with this piece of paper and Mother saraswathi just to conceal her omni-potence, looks into the piece of paper and transmits the mantra to your spiritual being. There upon she takes your complete responsibility. This is what happens while AMMA gives mantra in amrithapuri. There are instances where the devotee has forgotten to take the piece of paper from pocket, and divine mother plays her leela by uttering the same mantra in his ears. This happened to my friend. There are instances reported where someone has approached mother for mantra when he already had a mantra for past 10 years from another Guru. When he aproached mother with paper in his hand, mother told him: "Son, chant the same mantra which you had been chanting for past 10 years. It is better to catch hold of one rather than running after many". Only he and his Guru knew about his mantra and he was spellbound on AMMA's words. Similar incident was reported in mathruvani by swami Amrithaathmaananda Puri regarding a hebru mantra for a jew. In short, for incarnations like Mother, reality is not many, but just One, the ultimate ONE. But just because of our in-capability to digest this unity she is giving us a boat (in the form of deity) to cross the mighty river of worldliness. It is said that on reaching the other shore (possible only with grace of Guru) , one has to abandon this boat their by embracing the ultimate unity, there upon one may not feel any duality. In Mothers words "the Guru and disciple relation cease to exist, they become one". All the above concepts are Mother's own concepts just typed by my hands. May Mother's grace clear all your doubts. Ohm amritheswaryay Namah -manesh Robin Wilson [lilymoonjewel] Tuesday, December 17, 2002 3:55 AM Ammachi Re: Curious... Yes thank you....I was referring to mantras as in has she ever gave a mantra in Buddhism or A Christian mantra to someone or is it alway Sanscrit? pwhite0130 wrote:Jai Robin: > Does anyone know if Amma has ever gave anyone a manta that wasn't Hindu and > Does anyone know if Amma has any CDs with her own chants on them Are you talking about a Hindu person ir a Hindu mantra? She has given a lot of mantras to non-Hindus ... particuilarily to use westerners. There is no requirement as to a person religion. None of the mantras are Hindu (as far as I know). They are in Sanscript ... language of the Gurus. Peter Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi Your use of is subject to ---------- **************************Disclaimer********************************************\ **** Information contained in this E-MAIL being proprietary to Wipro Limited is 'privileged' and 'confidential' and intended for use only by the individual or entity to which it is addressed. You are notified that any use, copying or dissemination of the information contained in the E-MAIL in any manner whatsoever is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************************************\ ******* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2002 Report Share Posted December 17, 2002 How interesting .... Can you please direct me to the CDs on which she sings..... -Robin Kenna <kenna wrote:Namaste. > I am just curious on a couple of things .....Does anyone know if Amma has ever > gave anyone a manta that wasn't Hindu there's a great story in a Matruvani (pc users can read on the amritapuri.org page) about Amma giving a man a long Hebrew mantra in perfect Hebrew. and Does anyone know if Amma has any CDs > with her own chants on them there are many CD of Amma singing. don't know of any with her chanting, except some of the videos show Amma chanting. In Amma's grace, premarupa Aum Amriteshvaryai Namah Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2002 Report Share Posted December 17, 2002 Thank you all for your responses....WHO can have a favortite deity???? I love them all....I have no favorite.....Like the saying ..."I could no sooner choose a favorite star in the sky"...... So If I ask for a Mantra ...would she come up with one that would be best for me on her own.....and Is it possible to get a Mantra by writing to her or do I have to be with her? Namaste -Robin Manesh <manesh.mohan wrote:Hi Robin Whenever someone request Mother for mantra, with her consent you will be guided to another swami, who is delegated by mother for mantra. He will ask for your favourite deity. One's favourite deity can be anyone ( Christ, Budha, Alla, Ahura Mazda or anyone ). For Guru's like Mother all are embodiments of the same reality both in literal sense and also in experience. Non-dualists ( advaitist ) dont even have a deity. For them Mother gives mantras which are related to advaitist principles. Once you give your favaourite deity to the concerned swami, through him the almight Mother manifests the mantra which she indent to give you. This mantra scribled on a paper in malayalam is given to you. At the end of devi bhava devotees who has got the consent of mother for mantra comes to her with this piece of paper and Mother saraswathi just to conceal her omni-potence, looks into the piece of paper and transmits the mantra to your spiritual being. There upon she takes your complete responsibility. This is what happens while AMMA gives mantra in amrithapuri. There are instances where the devotee has forgotten to take the piece of paper from pocket, and divine mother plays her leela by uttering the same mantra in his ears. This happened to my friend. There are instances reported where someone has approached mother for mantra when he already had a mantra for past 10 years from another Guru. When he aproached mother with paper in his hand, mother told him: "Son, chant the same mantra which you had been chanting for past 10 years. It is better to catch hold of one rather than running after many". Only he and his Guru knew about his mantra and he was spellbound on AMMA's words. Similar incident was reported in mathruvani by swami Amrithaathmaananda Puri regarding a hebru mantra for a jew. In short, for incarnations like Mother, reality is not many, but just One, the ultimate ONE. But just because of our in-capability to digest this unity she is giving us a boat (in the form of deity) to cross the mighty river of worldliness. It is said that on reaching the other shore (possible only with grace of Guru) , one has to abandon this boat their by embracing the ultimate unity, there upon one may not feel any duality. In Mothers words "the Guru and disciple relation cease to exist, they become one". All the above concepts are Mother's own concepts just typed by my hands. May Mother's grace clear all your doubts. Ohm amritheswaryay Namah -manesh Robin Wilson [lilymoonjewel] Tuesday, December 17, 2002 3:55 AM Ammachi Re: Curious... Yes thank you....I was referring to mantras as in has she ever gave a mantra in Buddhism or A Christian mantra to someone or is it alway Sanscrit? pwhite0130 wrote:Jai Robin: > Does anyone know if Amma has ever gave anyone a manta that wasn't Hindu and > Does anyone know if Amma has any CDs with her own chants on them Are you talking about a Hindu person ir a Hindu mantra? She has given a lot of mantras to non-Hindus ... particuilarily to use westerners. There is no requirement as to a person religion. None of the mantras are Hindu (as far as I know). They are in Sanscript ... language of the Gurus. Peter Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi Your use of is subject to ---------- **************************Disclaimer********************************************\ **** Information contained in this E-MAIL being proprietary to Wipro Limited is 'privileged' and 'confidential' and intended for use only by the individual or entity to which it is addressed. You are notified that any use, copying or dissemination of the information contained in the E-MAIL in any manner whatsoever is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************************************\ ******* Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2002 Report Share Posted December 17, 2002 I dont understand your problem, I baffled by your ignorance. FOR YOUR KIND INFORMATION SANSKRIT IS NOT DEAD LANGUAGE. Most of the classic works in India are written in Sanskrit. Pantanjali Yoga sutras, Arthashastra,kama sutra, Upanishads, Vedas. Most of the Indian Languages are derived from Sanaskrit. Excuse me for your comment! that sanskrit has nothing to with Malayalam. More than 90% of Malayalam words are from Sanaskrit. Do you know that Hindi is the direct descent form Snaskrit with little bit of change in Devanagari script. Most of the Indian languages are updated versions of Sanskrit, which being prototype. Your argument is as absurd as claiming C language is dead, SINCE now days people only use Visual C++, SHOULD I ENLIGHTEN YOU that Visual c++ is derived from C++ and C++ from C. So what kind argument would be to claim C as the dead language. Now regarding to Hinduism, the very term is a misnomer. Coined by westners, who labled thier religion as Christianity. Did you find the bigotory here. Hindu'ism' is like other 'isms' like capitalism, Marxism, Communism which may be accepted or may not be accepted, in short it is not perfect. While Cristian'ity' is Like Gravity which exists, which is truth, that is Christianity is a perfect religion while Hinduism is not. Hinduism was coined after refering to river Indus. Everything India, Hindu, Hinduism, Sindh(now in Pakistan) have common origin. Its original inhabitants called it Sanatana Dharma, which is difficult to translate in English, the nearest meaning could be "Eternel rythm of cosmos". Now towards your utter contempt regarding Hindus. I really don't know what you mean by saying some Christains in New York asked Ammachi to give mantra but not to include Hindu stuff. Here is my advice to them: Not to use numbers (from 0 to 9) rather use Roman numerals(x,v,vi etc), since numbers (0 to 9) are origined in India hence Hindu(read heathens since you used 'mlecchas' in your letter) don't use them. Dont practice any kind of YOGA since it is from India hence Hindu. I want to enlighten those people not use any software are computer products because, Hindus did and are doing immense research in these feilds. Finally don't ever see Ammachi because she is Hindu, and I have a question here why should those Christians met Ammachi in first place, they can go for their Pope for a mantra, this I can neber understand. I am Hindu (I belive in Non-duality(advaita)), you must be Christian so I have some serious questions regarding Christians in general. Why do Christians bury their body not cremate. Even high School student knows that 80% of human body is composed of water, similarly blood is made from Haemoglobin, which is Iron. Bone from Phosphurus. Protiens from Amino acids which are basically NH2 groups, on the whole most of the human body is made from 4 primary building blocks carbon, hydrogen,oxygen,Nitrogen. So human body is MATTER, once body dies matter goes back to its nature. So why bury that body which does'nt make any sense, occupying huge tracts of land make it useless. Now they say soul goes to Heaven, if soul is not body (matter) it should be formless, ok something formless should be ALL PERVADING. IF SOMETHING IS ALL PERVADING where does it go are where does it come from. Hence soul going to Heaven is childish prank. One more thing is it possible that I can get a Hindu mantra from Christian guru say like pope? never, but Ammachi gave christian mantra. This shows how much Sanata Dharama is fexible unlike all ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS (christianity, Islam, Judaism)arising from middle- eastern desert, everyone claiming that only their relgion is perfect. Sanatana Dharma never says that, because its appraoch is different one pays attention towards his Karma trying to attain perfection. One more thing I am devotee of Kali, my approach of god in dual plane (dvaita plane) is feminine. I DON'T FIND NOTHING NOTE WORTHY IN ABRAHAMIC RELEGIONS ABOUT FEMININE. Instead god is Male scaring away people with primitive HELL and HEAVEN concepts. Its only Sanatana Dharma which gives total respect to women which they deseve, only religion where god is praised as woman. I Know this forum is not for religious debate, any how if some body as prejudices and misconceptions with anything, its others duty to clear their prejudices. I AM EAGERLY AND EARNESTLY WAITING FOR REPLY FROM THE CHRISTIAN LET US HAVE SOME DEBATE, PLEASE DONT COME WITH BIBLICAL INTERPRETATIONS,I AM A COMUTER SCIENCE STUDENT I LIKE TO ARGUE WITH ISSUES THAT RELATES TO SCIENTIFIC FACTS AND COMMAN SENSE AND THAT CONVINCE ME, MOST OF THE TIME OUR DEBATE SHOULD INVOLVE ANALYSIS AND LOGIC, IT SHOULD'NT INCLUDE SOMETHING WRITTEN BY SOMEONE SOME 2000 YEARS AGO. from a Hindu Avinash Ramidi Bridgeport, CT Om Namah shivaya! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2002 Report Share Posted December 17, 2002 Dear Avinash Om Namah Shivaya You have completely misunderstood Len/ Kalipadma's e-mail. You have gotten upset for no reason it seems. Though some of your concerns are genuine, I am not sure what her e-mail has to do anything with that. Peace Ravi - avinash7_99 <avinash7_99 Ammachi Tuesday, December 17, 2002 9:55 AM Re: Curious... I dont understand your problem, I baffled by your ignorance. FOR YOUR KIND INFORMATION SANSKRIT IS NOT DEAD LANGUAGE. Most of the classic works in India are written in Sanskrit. Pantanjali Yoga sutras, Arthashastra,kama sutra, Upanishads, Vedas. Most of the Indian Languages are derived from Sanaskrit. Excuse me for your comment! that sanskrit has nothing to with Malayalam. More than 90% of Malayalam words are from Sanaskrit. Do you know that Hindi is the direct descent form Snaskrit with little bit of change in Devanagari script. Most of the Indian languages are updated versions of Sanskrit, which being prototype. Your argument is as absurd as claiming C language is dead, SINCE now days people only use Visual C++, SHOULD I ENLIGHTEN YOU that Visual c++ is derived from C++ and C++ from C. So what kind argument would be to claim C as the dead language. Now regarding to Hinduism, the very term is a misnomer. Coined by westners, who labled thier religion as Christianity. Did you find the bigotory here. Hindu'ism' is like other 'isms' like capitalism, Marxism, Communism which may be accepted or may not be accepted, in short it is not perfect. While Cristian'ity' is Like Gravity which exists, which is truth, that is Christianity is a perfect religion while Hinduism is not. Hinduism was coined after refering to river Indus. Everything India, Hindu, Hinduism, Sindh(now in Pakistan) have common origin. Its original inhabitants called it Sanatana Dharma, which is difficult to translate in English, the nearest meaning could be "Eternel rythm of cosmos". Now towards your utter contempt regarding Hindus. I really don't know what you mean by saying some Christains in New York asked Ammachi to give mantra but not to include Hindu stuff. Here is my advice to them: Not to use numbers (from 0 to 9) rather use Roman numerals(x,v,vi etc), since numbers (0 to 9) are origined in India hence Hindu(read heathens since you used 'mlecchas' in your letter) don't use them. Dont practice any kind of YOGA since it is from India hence Hindu. I want to enlighten those people not use any software are computer products because, Hindus did and are doing immense research in these feilds. Finally don't ever see Ammachi because she is Hindu, and I have a question here why should those Christians met Ammachi in first place, they can go for their Pope for a mantra, this I can neber understand. I am Hindu (I belive in Non-duality(advaita)), you must be Christian so I have some serious questions regarding Christians in general. Why do Christians bury their body not cremate. Even high School student knows that 80% of human body is composed of water, similarly blood is made from Haemoglobin, which is Iron. Bone from Phosphurus. Protiens from Amino acids which are basically NH2 groups, on the whole most of the human body is made from 4 primary building blocks carbon, hydrogen,oxygen,Nitrogen. So human body is MATTER, once body dies matter goes back to its nature. So why bury that body which does'nt make any sense, occupying huge tracts of land make it useless. Now they say soul goes to Heaven, if soul is not body (matter) it should be formless, ok something formless should be ALL PERVADING. IF SOMETHING IS ALL PERVADING where does it go are where does it come from. Hence soul going to Heaven is childish prank. One more thing is it possible that I can get a Hindu mantra from Christian guru say like pope? never, but Ammachi gave christian mantra. This shows how much Sanata Dharama is fexible unlike all ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS (christianity, Islam, Judaism)arising from middle- eastern desert, everyone claiming that only their relgion is perfect. Sanatana Dharma never says that, because its appraoch is different one pays attention towards his Karma trying to attain perfection. One more thing I am devotee of Kali, my approach of god in dual plane (dvaita plane) is feminine. I DON'T FIND NOTHING NOTE WORTHY IN ABRAHAMIC RELEGIONS ABOUT FEMININE. Instead god is Male scaring away people with primitive HELL and HEAVEN concepts. Its only Sanatana Dharma which gives total respect to women which they deseve, only religion where god is praised as woman. I Know this forum is not for religious debate, any how if some body as prejudices and misconceptions with anything, its others duty to clear their prejudices. I AM EAGERLY AND EARNESTLY WAITING FOR REPLY FROM THE CHRISTIAN LET US HAVE SOME DEBATE, PLEASE DONT COME WITH BIBLICAL INTERPRETATIONS,I AM A COMUTER SCIENCE STUDENT I LIKE TO ARGUE WITH ISSUES THAT RELATES TO SCIENTIFIC FACTS AND COMMAN SENSE AND THAT CONVINCE ME, MOST OF THE TIME OUR DEBATE SHOULD INVOLVE ANALYSIS AND LOGIC, IT SHOULD'NT INCLUDE SOMETHING WRITTEN BY SOMEONE SOME 2000 YEARS AGO. from a Hindu Avinash Ramidi Bridgeport, CT Om Namah shivaya! Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2002 Report Share Posted December 17, 2002 Dear Len/Kalipadma Om Namah Shivaya Thanks for your e-mail, I enjoyed it. I was not upset by your e-mail, but I can see why some people might. You seem to make statements on subjects on which you don't have complete knowledge with so much confidence that I am surprised. To say that Malayalam is unrelated language or any other Indian language is unrelated to Sanskrit is factually incorrect. To say Sanskrit is dead is like saying God is dead, Sanskrit permeates the daily life of an Indian just as God permeates the whole existence. Om Namah Shivaya Ravi - Black Lotus L Rosenberg Ammachi Monday, December 16, 2002 7:50 PM Re: Curious... On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:49:57 EST pwhite0130 writes: > > None of the mantras are Hindu (as far as I know). <Hindu> [final U] is the religion based on the Vedas, Puranas, and so forth. Most of the mantras Ammachi gives are based on Hindu names of God (or Goddess), or on Hindu concepts like <dharma> (correct behavior), <karma> (cause and effect), etc. In that sense, most of the mantras Amma gives are Hindu.. <Hindi> [final I] is one of the dozen or so modern languages spoken in India. It is mostly spoken in Northern India. Ammachi is from Southern India, and her native speech is <Malayalam>, an unrelated language. . > They are in Sanscript ... language of the Gurus. > I'm smiling at your spelling. <Script> is English for "writing," so it seems appropriate, but the ancient language you're referring to is usually spelled <Sanskrit> (meaning "perfectly spoken"). Sanskrit is a "dead" language, used only for religious or liturgical purposes (rather like Catholics used to use Latin). Some scholars insist ALL <mantras> must be in Sanskrit -- other languages may be chanted for meditation, but they should be called prayers, or spells, or affirmations... So Sanskrit is the language of the Gurus, AND of Hindu Priests, AND of scholars of Ancient India. A funny story -- a few years ago, a large group of American Charismatic Christians came to see Ammachi when she was here in New York. They wanted to practice mantra meditation, but they carefully explained that they had no truck with this Hindu stuff, and they wanted to meditate on Jesus. Amma is very ecumenical (her home state of Kerala has many Moslems and many Christians), so she gave the Christians (in Sanskrit!) mantras for Jesus. Some of her <brahmacharyins> (the renunciate Hindu priests who travel with Amma) were not so open-minded though, and they began to cock a hairy eyeball at the dozens of <mlacchas> (non-Hindus) thronging around saying things like "I want a mantra, too, praise Jesus!" When my friend, who is also a Westerner, but a student of Hinduism, took darshan of Ammachi, and asked for a mantra, the priest he was sent to sneered at my friend and asked, "Praise Jesus?" "Goodness, no," said my friend. "My <ishtadevata> (chosen deity) is Narasimha, Vishnu's man-lion incarnation." The priest almost hugged him! Finally, a Hindu! -- Len/ Kalipadma ______________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2002 Report Share Posted December 17, 2002 Sanskrit permeates _my_ daily life, and I'm a good-ole Christian-raised lilly-white American. Jai Kaalii Maa!!! --Aravind --- Ravi Chivukula <ravichivukula wrote: > Dear Len/Kalipadma > > Om Namah Shivaya > > Thanks for your e-mail, I enjoyed it. I was not > upset by your e-mail, but I can see why some people > might. > > You seem to make statements on subjects on which you > don't have complete knowledge with so much > confidence that I am surprised. To say that > Malayalam is unrelated language or any other Indian > language is unrelated to Sanskrit is factually > incorrect. To say Sanskrit is dead is like saying > God is dead, Sanskrit permeates the daily life of an > Indian just as God permeates the whole existence. > > Om Namah Shivaya > Ravi > - > Black Lotus L Rosenberg > Ammachi > Monday, December 16, 2002 7:50 PM > Re: Curious... > > > > > On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:49:57 EST > pwhite0130 writes: > > > > > None of the mantras are Hindu (as far as I > know). > > <Hindu> [final U] is the religion based on the > Vedas, Puranas, and so > forth. Most of the mantras Ammachi gives are > based on Hindu names of God > (or Goddess), or on Hindu concepts like <dharma> > (correct behavior), > <karma> (cause and effect), etc. In that sense, > most of the mantras Amma > gives are Hindu.. > > <Hindi> [final I] is one of the dozen or so modern > languages spoken in > India. It is mostly spoken in Northern India. > Ammachi is from Southern > India, and her native speech is <Malayalam>, an > unrelated language. > > . > > They are in Sanscript ... language of the > Gurus. > > > > I'm smiling at your spelling. <Script> is English > for "writing," so it > seems appropriate, but the ancient language you're > referring to is > usually spelled <Sanskrit> (meaning "perfectly > spoken"). Sanskrit is a > "dead" language, used only for religious or > liturgical purposes (rather > like Catholics used to use Latin). Some scholars > insist ALL <mantras> > must be in Sanskrit -- other languages may be > chanted for meditation, but > they should be called prayers, or spells, or > affirmations... > > So Sanskrit is the language of the Gurus, AND of > Hindu Priests, AND of > scholars of Ancient India. > > A funny story -- a few years ago, a large group > of American Charismatic > Christians came to see Ammachi when she was here > in New York. They > wanted to practice mantra meditation, but they > carefully explained that > they had no truck with this Hindu stuff, and they > wanted to meditate on > Jesus. Amma is very ecumenical (her home state of > Kerala has many > Moslems and many Christians), so she gave the > Christians (in Sanskrit!) > mantras for Jesus. > > Some of her <brahmacharyins> (the renunciate Hindu > priests who travel > with Amma) were not so open-minded though, and > they began to cock a hairy > eyeball at the dozens of <mlacchas> (non-Hindus) > thronging around saying > things like "I want a mantra, too, praise Jesus!" > > When my friend, who is also a Westerner, but a > student of Hinduism, took > darshan of Ammachi, and asked for a mantra, the > priest he was sent to > sneered at my friend and asked, "Praise Jesus?" > "Goodness, no," said my > friend. "My <ishtadevata> (chosen deity) is > Narasimha, Vishnu's man-lion > incarnation." > > The priest almost hugged him! Finally, a Hindu! > > -- Len/ Kalipadma > > > > ______________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > Ammachi > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2002 Report Share Posted December 17, 2002 Dear Avinash -- Please continue to study Ammachi's teachings. You would especially benefit from reading what she says about anger.. Whee-ooo! What a temper you have! On Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:55:09 -0000 "avinash7_99 <avinash7_99" <avinash7_99 writes: > I dont understand your problem, I baffled by your ignorance. FOR > YOUR KIND INFORMATION SANSKRIT IS NOT DEAD LANGUAGE. Avinash, my brother -- Linguists use the term "dead language" to describe a language which has been preserved unchanged for hundreds of years. "Living languages" develop slang, have local variants, and develop dialects, and eventually become different (if related) languages. "Dead languages" are preserved from change, usually because they are used for liturgical (religious) purposes. I love Sanskrit. I am (slowly, with difficulty) studying it. No insult was meant in referring to it as a "dead language." I compared it to Latin, which is also a "dead language." As are biblical Hebrew, and biblical Greek.. > Excuse me for your > comment! that sanskrit has nothing to with Malayalam. More than 90% > of Malayalam words are from Sanaskrit. Do you know that Hindi is the > direct descent form Snaskrit with little bit of change in Devanagari > script. Most of the Indian languages are updated versions of > Sanskrit, which being prototype. Excuse ME, but I was told that Malayalam was (like most South Indian languages) derived from Dravidian roots, not Sanskrit. What Sanskrit is used by Malayalm speakers derives from Vedic religious texts. Was I misinformed? Is there a Malyalam speaker on List who can clear this up? > Now regarding to Hinduism, the very term is a misnomer. Coined > by westners, who labled thier religion as Christianity. Did you find > the bigotory here. I have been reading "Hinduism Today" magazine for many many years, long enough to know that the more accurate name for the religion is Sanatana Dharma. Sometimes we use shorthand. Again, with no insult intended or implied. > Now towards your utter contempt regarding Hindus. I really > don't know what you mean by saying some Christains in New York asked > Ammachi to give mantra but not to include Hindu stuff. Here is my > advice to them.... My advice to YOU is to read more carefully. I did not at any time claim that *I* was one of the Christians. How dare you accuse me of contempt for Hindus! > I have a question here why should those Christians met > Ammachi in first place, they can go for their Pope for a mantra, > this I can neber understand. Avinash, those Christians were NOT Catholics, so the Pope was unlikely to see them. Moreover, the Pope doesn't give mantras. Amma DOES, and (as others on this list have written) she will give them to Christians, Moslems, Jews, Scientologists -- anybody. > I am Hindu (I belive in Non-duality(advaita)), you must be > Christian so I have some serious questions regarding Christians in > general. I was born into a Jewish family. In 1980 I moved to Flushing, Queens. Exploring the neighborhood, I discovered the Hindu Temple on Bowne Street. I walked in, took off my shoes, and approached the central shrine to Lord Ganesha. I lost about 15 minutes of consciousness. When I came back to consciousness (still standing), my face was wet with tears, and I had the feeling of finally coming home. I have considered myself a Hindu from that moment. > One more thing I am devotee of Kali, my approach of god in dual plane > (dvaita plane) is feminine. What a coincidence! I am also a Shakta. Very fond of Kali Ma, but primarily devoted to Sarasvati. > I DON'T FIND NOTHING NOTE WORTHY IN > ABRAHAMIC RELEGIONS ABOUT FEMININE. Instead god is Male scaring away > people with primitive HELL and HEAVEN concepts. Judaism had concepts like the Shekhina and the Shabbos Bride, but they were oppressed and discarded. (When still a Jew, I liked best the candle-lighting on Friday night, when the Shabbos Bride is invoked to descend in peace.) > Its only Sanatana > Dharma which gives total respect to women which they deseve, only > religion where god is praised as woman. <tvameva mata cha pita tvameva> (Thou art indeed my Mother and my Father, Thou art indeed) > from a Hindu > Avinash Ramidi > Bridgeport, CT > Om Namah shivaya! > Shanti, Avinash! Om prashanti nirkrodha prashamana svaha! (Let peace prevail, and not anger.) -- Len/ Kalipadma ______________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2002 Report Share Posted December 17, 2002 Ravi -- Thank you for coming to my defense. (You got my gender wrong, however -- I'm a male.) -- Len (short for Leonard)/ Kalipadma On Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:26:54 -0800 "Ravi Chivukula" <ravichivukula writes: > Dear Avinash > > Om Namah Shivaya > > You have completely misunderstood Len/ Kalipadma's e-mail. You have > gotten upset for no reason it seems. Though some of your concerns > are genuine, I am not sure what her e-mail has to do anything with > that. > > Peace > Ravi ______________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2002 Report Share Posted December 18, 2002 Dear Len! I didn't mean to hurt you, if I did I hope you will pardon me. But let me explain my views: IT SEEMS YOU ARE BACK TO SQUARE ONE WITH ARYAN AND DRAVIDIAN MYTHS. I am a South Indian, but my mother tongue is Telugu. Telugu is 75% sanskrit, any telugu person can understand almost every word if ones speaks in sanskrit. Infact sounds are so similar between the two languages that it is hard to say that they are unrelated. Aryan means is not a name of a race but "noble" person. For example all ancient seers name would end with arya: Shukrach'arya', shankarach'arya', vallabach'arya', Ramunjach'arya'. In fact a teacher is known as ach'arya'. Now in Telugu(south Indian language) we call our father 'ayyah' which is corrupted form of arya, similarly most of the Telugu names would end with ayya like Ramayya, sitaramayya etc. What I am trying to explain that south Indians like north would use the term arya very much. Now Dravidian if divsion exists it only permits to Tamil, which is Sangam. But calling Telugu a distinct language is totally baseless. And malayalam is more sanskritised than Telugu, its one of the modern languges developed some 1200 or 1400 years ago. Myth of Aryan invasion theory is long been disproved with findings of Harappa,mohenjadaro, Lothal etc. It was intoduced by German indologist Max Muller, who was sponsered by the then ruling British. Now it is toatally politicalised, so it is hard to shun it. But can you please explain what do you mean when you say that"narrow minded bramacharis travelling with ammachi" and you use the term "mlecchah". Who told you that brahmacharis are narrow minded and they view weterners as mlecchah. Had you ever been to Amritapuri, do you know that what kind of life brahamacharis lead, they have one of the tuffest and hardest life. They sleep on the floor, they sleep only 3 to 4 hours. Their food is devoid of any taste hardly edible. They are always engaged in some work or the other, most of them are fresh college graduates in early twenties. Most of them are un shaven, staying far away from their parents and relatives and the world, they are always working even if they are sick. Any westner who had not been to Amritapuri Ashram has no idea about the place. In United states amma is only accompanied with some senior swamis that's all, but the major chunk stay in India involved in service. For your kind information life in India is not as easy as life in United states, getting things done by bypassing the obstacles is very difficult. Do you have any idea how difficult it is to be a brahamachari, every second one should be vigilant of one's own thought's, with total detachment to anything in remaining part of one's life. Now 'mlecchah" which means "worst then untouchable" so according to you this is how renunciates view westeners, PLEASE GIVE ME A BREAK. Another intresting term used by you is "charismatic christians" can you please explain what kind of "Charisma" these people possess others lack. You said you are JEWISH. Let me explain something about Judaism in India. India is the only country which provided refugee for Jews, when both Jihadis and crusaders hated them. They were never tolerated from carpet of countries spreading from Morroco to Iran, not to forget former soviet republics especially Tajikistan( pariculary in Dushanbe its capital). In India they were given full freedom, particulary sanatana dharma has nothing that condems other's religion. In fact a Hindu Raja of kerela gave them huge tracts of land so that they practice their religion. If any damage was done it was due to invading portugese who were surprised to see Jews let go free. By 1947 , 25000 jews moved to Isreal. But still India has Jews (Baghdad(iraqi) jews) particulalry in Thane district of Maharashtra. Verily whatever one may say or what ever one may write Sanatana Dharma is most flexible, ever rejuvinating, most ancient at the same time ultra-modern enriched with incarinations of people like Ammachi, Anandmayi maa, Sarada Devi, Swami Vivekanada, Swami Dayananda(arya samaj), Ramana Mharshi,Swami Rama, Paramahamsa Yogananda, Sri Aurbindo, Sri Ramakrishna Paramahansa, Trilinga swami oh! the list is endless. Since you are a Jewish\Hindu, there is a beautiful website by a Jewish\Hindu yogi called Sankara Saranam (I am his great fan). His website is www.pranayama.org , i simply adore his weekly messages. Avinash Ramidi Om namah shivaya! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2002 Report Share Posted December 18, 2002 On Wednesday, December 18, 2002, at 03:26 AM, avinash7_99 <avinash7_99 wrote: > Another intresting term used by you is "charismatic > christians" can you please explain what kind of "Charisma" these > people possess others lack. > You said you are JEWISH. Let me explain something about Judaism > in India. India is the only country which provided refugee for Jews, > when both Jihadis and crusaders hated them. We are all Gods children here, whether we are Hindi, Jewish, Christian, or whatever--the things you talk about-these are minor differences that are far overshadowed by our larger similarities--We are all children of God who have been fortunate enough, each on our different paths, to have stumbled upon the divine love and compassion of Amma. Let's focus on what we have in common instead of our less important differences! In Amma's divine love, Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2002 Report Share Posted December 18, 2002 Dear Sara, I agree with you, but u misunderstood me. I was pointing towards the language used by Kalipadma "narrow minded brahmacharis travelling with ammachi" and "mlecchas", these are words I reacted for. I am Ammachi's devotee since atleast 5 years. I joined this forum recently,there are some intresting articles bashing Santana Dharma left and right with baseless and clueless theories. "myth of Hiduism" and "genocide of women in Hinduism" are 2 such examples,ironically every body is buying those theories WITH NONE PROTESTING. I said nothing, finally Brahmacharies are also not spared. If you are so much concerned about humanity then why did'nt you reacted earlier when some one was defaming hinduism mercilessly with "genocide of women in hinduism" theories. Sara where are u when one is mocking brhamacharies, U ONLY REACT WHEN ONE DEFENDS HINDUISM WHY THIS PARTIALITY? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2002 Report Share Posted December 18, 2002 Namaste. Dear Listers, Am writing in response to current thread begun by an exchange between Len and Avinash. First, thanks to those who stepped in to calm down the personal tensions that were aroused. Would like to suggest we avoid personal attacks on our list. Let's stick with "I". It's fine to express different views. We all learn from that. In fact, I appreciate the information in the recent messages. It picks up from a message while back from Rasta naga, which had very interesting historic information. I think it would help if we could avoid "rhetoric" in our messages. Afraid some of the shyer members will never jump in if they see the risk of personal attack. By Amma's grace, have become involved in "The Institute for Racial Healing", a local organization confronting racial issues, based on a book by Reginald Newkirk and Nathan Rutstein. This approach views race as a myth and racism as a disease by which we are all infected. To echo my sister Sara's message, recent studies of DNA show that we are all 99.9% the same genetically. This means that we are all cousins related by blood 50 generations back. Praying by Amma's grace we can all learn to be loving and peaceful with each other. To that end, offer the following little story: A master once asked his students how they could tell when the night had ended and the day would begin. "Could it be," asked one student, "when you can see a cow in the distance and you can tell whether it is a black cow or a brown cow?" "No," answered the master. Another eager student blurted out, "Is it when you can look at a tree in the distance and tell whether it's a mango or a coconut tree?" "No, child. Wrong again," replied the master. "Well, just what is it, then?" a third impatient student demanded. Ever so slowly and ever so softly, the master whispered: "It is when you can look on the face of any person and see that it is yourSelf. Because unless you can see this, it is still night." In Amma's all encompassing love, premarupa Aum Amriteshvaryai Namah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2002 Report Share Posted December 18, 2002 IHey, Bro: Thanks for correcting me! > >None of the mantras are Hindu (as far as I know). > > <snip> Most of the mantras Ammachi gives are based on Hindu names of God > (or Goddess) <snip> > > >They are in Sanscript ... language of the Gurus. > > > > I'm smiling at your spelling. Me too. My spellin is about as good as my typig. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2002 Report Share Posted December 18, 2002 Hi Avinash, What you did is quite right, except that you slightly got carried away by emotions. Personaly I am sick of reacting to such posts having .. ( "narrow minded brahmacharis travelling with ammachi" and "mlecchas", ) ( "myth of Hiduism" , "genocide of women in Hinduism" "genocide of women in hinduism" ) I too was very much hurt by the posts mentioned above. But just due to some resolution I abstained from reacting to it so that it dont haunt me for long. So it just remained for a day. On the other hand it had been hurting you for about a month. Is this hurt and pain worth enough..? After, all these efforts and commotion, ultimately no one is changed. I remains the same me and he the same him. Words can seldom change someone. Experience or real thirst for truth is required for that. If he had real thirst for truth he wouldnt have framed such rebukes without proper investigation. So leave it. Now experience, how can we mortals provide experience to others. Just look at Mothers ways, she never reacts harshly, her reaction is through silence. In her own words :"I will not tell your mistakes, but I will show you your mistakes. Because, if I tell you, you will take it through one ear and throw it out through the other. But instead if I show your mistakes you cant forget them". But remember Mothers ways of showing as so esoteric that until everything is over you will never know that it was her play. Attimes this act of show will be devastating, and we might resemble a writhing child with a compassionate Mother remorselessly cleaning the wounds. Such pain could not be forgotten so easily. But our emotional reaction with words will defenitely be forgotten. Moreover giving more importance to such stupid conjectures proved too costly for my peace of mind. My initial gratification by bashing them eroded rapidly on noticing that no real change is happening in them and my peace of mind deteriorating. At last I came to a conclusion : "I am incapable of changing anyone, Only Guru's like mother can do it. I will react to such posts if and only if mother gives an urge in my mind which is not derived from my ego Or else a stage should reach in my spiritual evolution where I remain totally undisturbed even while reacting to such posts". In Mother own words "Mother is not telling that you shouldnt react. But the words should be carefully weighed. It should have the softness of heart and power of tapas". Thus after a long habit of reacting to each and every poppycocks, i am slightly recovering from it. Not because what I am doing is 100% right, but just because it hurts me and hampers my progress with no gains either to me or to others. I feel that sooner or later you too might feel so. But people like you, who could decimate the stupid views like the above mentioned with elegant substantiations, are very much required. If you can uphold the dignity of Sanadhana Dharma while urself remaining in peace, as swami Vivekananda has done, go ahead, never stop. Else it might prove cosly for your spiritual progress unless you have too much spiritual disposition inherited from previous birth like swami Vivekananda. He too could never withstand any false bashing against Sanadhana Dharma. These are very much evident from his speaches. He bashed them left and right with so beautiful concepts. But remember he always remained unattached to them because he was a realised spirit. It never hampered his meditation, devotion or compassion. I strongly feel that we need to take a serious look into the ways propounded by realised teachers like Mother, Swami Vivekananda, Ramakrishna deva, Saradha Maa, Ramanamaharshi etc. to deal with such rebukes. Even with their infinite power they didnt attempt to silence every babbling mouth. And when they did it, it really served the purpose. So I feel that we are missing something by the kind of emotional reaction that we do. I was forced to write this just because of these lines : "I joined this forum recently,there are some intresting articles bashing Santana Dharma left and right with baseless and clueless theories. "myth of Hiduism" and "genocide of women in Hinduism" are 2 such examples,ironically every body is buying those theories WITH NONE PROTESTING. I said nothing, finally Brahmacharies are also not spared. If you are so much concerned about humanity then why did'nt you reacted earlier when some one was defaming hinduism mercilessly with "genocide of women in hinduism" theories." Silence doesnt have an implicit meaning of "taking for granted" or in your words "buying theories with none protesting". I dont indent to hurt anyone or promote anyone. So kindly forgive if I have made any mistakes. Ohm Amrithesvaryay Namah -regards manesh avinash7_99 <avinash7_99 [avinash7_99] Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:10 PM Ammachi Re: Curious... Dear Sara, I agree with you, but u misunderstood me. I was pointing towards the language used by Kalipadma "narrow minded brahmacharis travelling with ammachi" and "mlecchas", these are words I reacted for. I am Ammachi's devotee since atleast 5 years. I joined this forum recently,there are some intresting articles bashing Santana Dharma left and right with baseless and clueless theories. "myth of Hiduism" and "genocide of women in Hinduism" are 2 such examples,ironically every body is buying those theories WITH NONE PROTESTING. I said nothing, finally Brahmacharies are also not spared. If you are so much concerned about humanity then why did'nt you reacted earlier when some one was defaming hinduism mercilessly with "genocide of women in hinduism" theories. Sara where are u when one is mocking brhamacharies, U ONLY REACT WHEN ONE DEFENDS HINDUISM WHY THIS PARTIALITY? Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi Your use of is subject to ---------- **************************Disclaimer********************************************\ **** Information contained in this E-MAIL being proprietary to Wipro Limited is 'privileged' and 'confidential' and intended for use only by the individual or entity to which it is addressed. You are notified that any use, copying or dissemination of the information contained in the E-MAIL in any manner whatsoever is strictly prohibited. ********************************************************************************\ ******* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2002 Report Share Posted December 18, 2002 Dear Manesh your letter was a eye opener. You spoke feelings of my heart. I knew it before writting the letter it is not going to change him or me. I had no right to point fingers at others, when I myself infested with lot of vasanas. After all who am I to judge others. Mocking sanatana dharma is fine as already so many stereotypes exist in the west,But I really took personaly when some body did not even spare Brahmacharies. There are some reasons why I reacted emotionally, I am 23 right now. I used to spend lot of my time in Ramakrishna mutt in my teenage years. I was really impressed by swami vivekananda who is still my hero. Of all the 16 direct disciples of Sri Ramakrishna the one who was close to Vivekananda was swami Akandananda(Gangadhar), whom I simply adore. I never shed tears but when I read about his(akandananda) biography I did,I was simply amazed about his spiritual adventures and travels on foot through out the himalayas when he was barely 20. Similarly Dayanada Sarawathi founder of Arya Samaj, perhaps he led the toughest life any body could imagine. Besides this I was closley assosiated with monks of Ramakrishna Mutt, Swami Ranganathananda, Swami Paramarthananda. Swami Ranganathananda(now president of Ramkrishna mission) was already above 90 years old. He joind Ramakrishna Mission in 1928 when he was barely 17 or 18 years old. Apart from them I was very close to new recruits. I used to simply admire them, their dedication,their purity is really incredible. In 1997 Ammachi came in to my Life when I was 18. One of the Brahmachari posted in Hyderabad was Sadashiv Chaitanya, he was young simply amazing with out a trace of ego, he was so down to Earth,he had good management skills. I really had good time with him. When I went to Amritapuri ashram I was delighted and saddend at the same time, delighted because I was in Amritapuri,saddend because I was doing nothing for my spritual evolvement. One of the beauties of Ashram is the sight of young brahmacharies and brahmacharinies in early 20's, fresh college graduates renouncing the world, leading very harshest life. On the other hand I am no where, engrossed in the world of maya and illusion, good for nothing, without any thirst for truth. I might have met atleast two or three brahmacharies whose mere sight calms your mind. These people atleast meditate for 8 hours a day sleep very less, as a matter of fact they are very humble and selfless. When ever I recall Amritapuri what strikes my mind is Brahmacharies and their tremendous selfless work. I thought mocking Brahamacharies is negative Karma, because they take the vow of non- voilence. Manesh it seems your the only person who seems to understand me , may be it is due to our Indian upbringing. May be it is fashion in west to mock at people, because it is 'slang' as one reader put it. I realize that it is basically the cultural differences. Anyway what ever expressed above is my views. If I hurt some body please for give me as your brother who is a tamasic character engrossed in maya. What I need from you brothers and sisters are well wishes. Thanks Manesh once again for your letter especially regarding detachment, which I am striving hard to attain with ups and downs. I wish detachment not only to you Manesh but for all fellow Ammachi devotees. Shanti shanti shanti Avinash Ramidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 Dear All, The Bible says a soft answer turneth away wrath, so I want my words to be very soft. Speaking for myself, I did not even read the "defamatory" posts because I realized they came from a source that I considered unbalanced and unreliable. (I'm speaking of the "myth of Hinduism, etc.). I just hit delete. So of course there was no response to post. Re Kalipadma's post, I think it's important to understand that westerners in India have sometimes felt disrespected by a few of the brahmacharis and brahmacharinis there. What Mother is doing is bringing together two very disparate cultures. She is capable of bridging all gaps, but her children have a more difficult time of it. You know, She puts us all in a rock tumbler and as Swamini Krishnamrita says, "lets us all work on each other." So I pray that these words do not offend, and that we all become expansive enough to understand the cultural differences or at least accept that Amma is teaching us through the parts we don't understand. In Amma, Jyotsna --- "avinash7_99 <avinash7_99" <avinash7_99 wrote: > Dear Sara, I agree with you, but u misunderstood me. > I was pointing > towards the language used by Kalipadma "narrow > minded brahmacharis > travelling with ammachi" and "mlecchas", these are > words I reacted > for. > I am Ammachi's devotee since atleast 5 years. I > joined this forum > recently,there are some intresting articles bashing > Santana Dharma > left and right with baseless and clueless theories. > "myth of Hiduism" > and "genocide of women in Hinduism" are 2 such > examples,ironically > every body is buying those theories WITH NONE > PROTESTING. I said > nothing, finally Brahmacharies are also not spared. > If you are so > much concerned about humanity then why did'nt you > reacted earlier > when some one was defaming hinduism mercilessly with > "genocide of > women in hinduism" theories. Sara where are u when > one is mocking > brhamacharies, U ONLY REACT WHEN ONE DEFENDS > HINDUISM WHY THIS > PARTIALITY? > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2002 Report Share Posted December 19, 2002 Dear Premarupa, thank you for this short story: about when night ends and day begins. The story has a timeless message. Amma smiles through you. Thank you again. In Amma's Love, Sara J. -- In Ammachi, Kenna <kenna@m...> wrote: > > Namaste. > Dear Listers, > > Am writing in response to current thread begun by an exchange between Len > and Avinash. > > First, thanks to those who stepped in to calm down the personal tensions > that were aroused. > > Would like to suggest we avoid personal attacks on our list. Let's stick > with "I". It's fine to express different views. We all learn from that. In > fact, I appreciate the information in the recent messages. It picks up from > a message while back from Rasta naga, which had very interesting historic > information. I think it would help if we could avoid "rhetoric" in our > messages. Afraid some of the shyer members will never jump in if they see > the risk of personal attack. > > By Amma's grace, have become involved in "The Institute for Racial Healing", > a local organization confronting racial issues, based on a book by Reginald > Newkirk and Nathan Rutstein. This approach views race as a myth and racism > as a disease by which we are all infected. > > To echo my sister Sara's message, recent studies of DNA show that we are all > 99.9% the same genetically. This means that we are all cousins related by > blood 50 generations back. Praying by Amma's grace we can all learn to be > loving and peaceful with each other. > > To that end, offer the following little story: > > A master once asked his students how they could tell when the night had > ended and the day would begin. > > "Could it be," asked one student, "when you can see a cow in the > distance and you can tell whether it is a black cow or a brown cow?" > > "No," answered the master. Another eager student blurted out, "Is it when > you can look at a tree in the distance and tell whether it's a mango or a > coconut tree?" > > "No, child. Wrong again," replied the master. > > "Well, just what is it, then?" a third impatient student demanded. > > Ever so slowly and ever so softly, the master whispered: "It is when you can > look on the face of any person and see that it is yourSelf. Because unless > you can see this, it is still night." > > In Amma's all encompassing love, > premarupa > Aum Amriteshvaryai Namah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2002 Report Share Posted December 23, 2002 Ammachi, Robin Wilson <lilymoonjewel> wrote: > > Does anyone know if Amma has any CDs with her own chants on them > Robin, I believe the CD's Amma's Own (Part 1 and 2) are all Mother's compositions and she is singing on them. Lisa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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