Guest guest Posted August 19, 2002 Report Share Posted August 19, 2002 > Hi Tom, > > Could you please indicate to me/us where we can > see this letter (or who to contact)? 1. I'd recommend contacting MA Center directly. If you do get it, certainly don't post it here. Write MA Center an email and place "for Dayamrita" or something like that in the Subject line so that they know it's for him. 2. Contact the "queen bee" (sorry) for my local satsang. I was just at a get-together of devotees yesterday, but I really don't associate with them much. The lady from DC that I was told had a copy was Lalitha Meyer. I'm not sure if her contact information from the Ammachi.org website is current: http://www.ammachi.org/ashram-satsangs/satsang-united- states.html#Washington,%20DC but try contacting anyone from the DC area satsang list on that page if it isn't and maybe they have a copy. 3. Contact the head person from your local satsang, maybe they have a copy. Sorry I can't be of much help more than this. tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2002 Report Share Posted August 19, 2002 Ammachi, "tomgull" <tomgull@m...> wrote: > 1. I'd recommend contacting MA Center directly. Maybe someone from the MA Center reads this list and hopefully decides to come forward and share this information with all. (I think they should) > If you do get it, certainly don't post it here. Why not share it with all here? I am sure we can all learn from Gayatri's valuable experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 Ammachi, "rastanaga" <rastanaga> wrote: > Ammachi, "tomgull" <tomgull@m...> wrote: > > 1. I'd recommend contacting MA Center directly. > > > > If you do get it, certainly don't post it here. > > Why not share it with all here? > > I am sure we can all learn from Gayatri's valuable experience. I also think it can be posted here. Swamini/Gayatri wrote it for people to read, isn't that right? She probably wrote it because she knew there might be some confusion, and as a swami and senior disciple to Amma, our sad-guru, perhaps she felt it was her duty and responsibility to write it. Perhaps Amma, herself, instructed her to write this letter. It seems the letter was written for public viewing. I think it might help people a bit to understand her motives for taking a break, leave of absence, or whatever the case may be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 If she has email, maybe someone who knows her could contact her and ask her if it¹s all right to post it and in fact, ask for a copy of the letter. Straight to the source, so to speak. > Ammachi, "rastanaga" <rastanaga> wrote: >> > Ammachi, "tomgull" <tomgull@m...> wrote: >>> > > 1. I'd recommend contacting MA Center directly. >> > >> > >>> > > If you do get it, certainly don't post it here. >> > >> > Why not share it with all here? >> > >> > I am sure we can all learn from Gayatri's valuable experience. > > > I also think it can be posted here. Swamini/Gayatri wrote it for > people to read, isn't that right? She probably wrote it because she > knew there might be some confusion, and as a swami and senior > disciple to Amma, our sad-guru, perhaps she felt it was her duty and > responsibility to write it. Perhaps Amma, herself, instructed her to > write this letter. It seems the letter was written for public > viewing. I think it might help people a bit to understand her motives > for taking a break, leave of absence, or whatever the case may be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 Ammachi, "rastanaga" <rastanaga> wrote: > Why not share it with all here? > I am sure we can all learn from Gayatri's valuable experience. Because you have over 200 people d to this Amma list, and disecting a person's life choice shouldn't be done here. For those who truly want to know, build a list to send copies to. There are many levels of sadhaks on this list and everyone, regardless of Gayatri's explanation, may not fully understand and the letter might harm their progress. That letter was obviously only for those with a yearning to know or those who wouldn't understand. I understand and don't need to know. Unless Gayatri specifically gives her ok for posting it here, or the wording of the letter very specifically mentions active dispersal of the letter, I think it would be in bad taste to post it here. Just my opinion, tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2002 Report Share Posted August 21, 2002 Ditto - we can ponder the reasons without obsessing one person's personal experience. It's not hard to figure out, she either a) burnt out b) changed her mind about her vows/life's course or c) became dissillusioned with the movement - whatever! If the letter was meant to be public it would have been published as such, in other words, if Gayatri had/has something to say to the public we'd have heard or we will hear from her. Therefore, we should respect this person's privacy & personal decision without prying. Whatever we're meant to know we will know, whatever she's doing/has done is right by her, right now, even if it is a big mistake or even if it's not. We are all free to think, do, and say what we need to and when we need to - thank Gods! In a message dated 8/21/02 9:58:19 AM EST, Ammachi writes: << Because you have over 200 people d to this Amma list, and disecting a person's life choice shouldn't be done here. For those who truly want to know, build a list to send copies to. There are many levels of sadhaks on this list and everyone, regardless of Gayatri's explanation, may not fully understand and the letter might harm their progress. That letter was obviously only for those with a yearning to know or those who wouldn't understand. I understand and don't need to know. Unless Gayatri specifically gives her ok for posting it here, or the wording of the letter very specifically mentions active dispersal of the letter, I think it would be in bad taste to post it here. Just my opinion, tom >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2002 Report Share Posted August 21, 2002 In a message dated 8/21/02 8:39:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rastanaga writes: << I know that there are computers in the MA Center. I think that someone from there should respond. >> I highly doubt that anyone at the MA Center is on this list, they are very busy. As a very involved member of the San Ramon Satsang, I have never heard of this letter. I will inquire and report back. Aum Amriteswaryai Namaha, Amalia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2002 Report Share Posted August 21, 2002 I for one am interested in seeing the letter. A good deal of Gayatri's sadhana details has already been made public through Matruvani magazine and her talks. Indeed, spiritual people's lives, motivations, etc. have been discussed on this list without anyone calling it obsession, dissection, or gossip. It is an open letter that people like me want to see, not some secret personal communication. While it is nice to believe in Amma as saviour, and read uplifting things bolstering that view, I don't think such beliefs will last unless they are based on truth. So if any illusion of mine is going to get shattered by Gayatri's letter, better now than later. But I agree that the letter may not have been meant for posting in an electronic forum, where it may be archived, etc., so I too am against posting it on a mailing list. Nandu (Vallath Nandakumar) >Dianadevi >Ammachi >Ammachi > Re: Gayatri/letter >Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:33:11 EDT > >Ditto - we can ponder the reasons without obsessing one person's personal >experience. It's not hard to figure out, she either a) burnt out b) changed >her mind about her vows/life's course or c) became dissillusioned with the >movement - whatever! If the letter was meant to be public it would have >been >published as such, in other words, if Gayatri had/has something to say to >the >public we'd have heard or we will hear from her. Therefore, we should >respect >this person's privacy & personal decision without prying. Whatever we're >meant to know we will know, whatever she's doing/has done is right by her, >right now, even if it is a big mistake or even if it's not. We are all free >to think, do, and say what we need to and when we need to - thank Gods! > >In a message dated 8/21/02 9:58:19 AM EST, Ammachi writes: > ><< Because you have over 200 people d to this Amma > list, and disecting a person's life choice shouldn't be > done here. For those who truly want to know, build a > list to send copies to. There are many levels of > sadhaks on this list and everyone, regardless of > Gayatri's explanation, may not fully understand > and the letter might harm their progress. > > That letter was obviously only for those with a > yearning to know or those who wouldn't understand. > I understand and don't need to know. Unless Gayatri > specifically gives her ok for posting it here, or > the wording of the letter very specifically mentions > active dispersal of the letter, I think it would be > in bad taste to post it here. > > Just my opinion, > tom >> Vallath Nandakumar vallathn _______________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2002 Report Share Posted August 21, 2002 > But I agree that the letter may not have been meant for posting in an > electronic forum, where it may be archived, etc., so I too am > against posting it on a mailing list. > > Nandu > (Vallath Nandakumar) > The whole issue of whether it should be posted or not really boils down to what Gayatri wants. Why speculate? Someone who knows how to contact her should just do so and then we¹ll all readily agree with her wishes, whether they involve seeing the letter or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2002 Report Share Posted August 21, 2002 I first learned of this letter here, on this list. The same person that mentioned it, also said it was meant for the people that asked for it. Therefore, I asked. Not because I need to know about Gayatri's private life, but because it seems to me that this was not an easy desicion to make. I am sure it was made based on some serious and important facts. If is only that she just decided to be on her own because she was tired of getting up early every day and working 70+ hours weeks, then what's the big deal with making it public? I think most of us can respect that desicion. We are past the inquisition era, I hope. There is a lesson in that letter for all, that is my view. I would like to see it. It can either be posted (i still don't see why not), or sent to me, to this email address. I know that there are computers in the MA Center. I think that someone from there should respond. To hide things like this only makes things worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2002 Report Share Posted August 21, 2002 > As a very involved member of the San Ramon Satsang, I have never heard > of this letter. I will inquire and report back. Thank You, Om Namah Shivaya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2002 Report Share Posted August 21, 2002 I was one who read said "letter" in Amritapuri in Dec. '99 right after said person left. It really didn't say much, as I recall, only that everyone has to follow their own path. So I think if you are expecting a lot, you'll be disappointed. In Amma, Jyotsna --- rastanaga <rastanaga wrote: > > As a very involved member of the San Ramon > Satsang, I have never > heard > > of this letter. I will inquire and report back. > > Thank You, > Om Namah Shivaya > > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2002 Report Share Posted August 21, 2002 Ammachi, Ellen Lamb <jyotsna2> wrote: > as I recall, only that everyone > has to follow their own path. So I think if > you are expecting a lot, you'll be disappointed. Sister, I am not expecting anything more that what you have said here, "everyone has to follow their own path". I think my previous posts should have made that clear, please read them all again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2002 Report Share Posted August 22, 2002 Dear Nandu and others, I read an email from Sr. Gayatri that was circulated after she left . I dont know if thats the letter you are all talking about. In that letter, Sri. Gayatri says that she needs to 'go her path' and be alone for awhile. There are no negative coments- just a statement from a person who wants to relate to Amma in a different way than what she had been practicing so far. Another Swami too left- and when a friend of mine was near Amma she heard Amma talk about this other person. Someone had complaned to Amma about the 'disloyalty' of the person who left and Amma replied: "That son( who left) has been with Amma for 20 years and Amma knows what is best for him and what he needs to do. yu dont wory about that . He will come back to Amma when the time is right'. You see, there is no point worryng about what the disciples do or dont do. We should look at Amma - not anyone else. Everybody near Amma gets their ego/vasanas worked upon and some may leave and some may stay . and your stance on Amma should be primarily based on your personal experience. And knowing you Nandu, i know you have a lot of sweet experiences with Amma. So why even talk of 'illusions' getting 'shattered'.. by what others do or say? The disciples of the Guru are not perfect- if they were they wouldnt need a Guru. So there will be different reactions from them- some may leave after 1 year, some after 20, some after 10. Some may give up half way, etc etc In each case, the Guru will guide each one according to their mental makeup. If leaving the ashram is spiritually god for some one, Amma will make them leave. We cannot judge either the Guru or the disciple. our business is to look within and go by he light of our own faith and experience. About these incidents Amma said: "Dont look at te Guru through the disciples. Look at the disciple through the Guru's eyes". bala bala --- Vallath Nandakumar <vallathn wrote: > > I for one am interested in seeing the letter. > > A good deal of > Gayatri's sadhana details has already been made > public through > Matruvani magazine and her talks. Indeed, spiritual > people's lives, > motivations, > etc. have been discussed on this list without anyone > calling it > obsession, dissection, or gossip. It is an open > letter that people > like me want to see, not some secret personal > communication. > > While it is nice to believe in Amma as saviour, and > read uplifting > things bolstering that view, I don't think such > beliefs will last > unless they are based on truth. So if any illusion > of mine is going > to get shattered by Gayatri's letter, better now > than later. > > But I agree that the letter may not have been meant > for posting in an > electronic forum, where it may be archived, etc., so > I too am > against posting it on a mailing list. > > Nandu > (Vallath Nandakumar) > > > >Dianadevi > >Ammachi > >Ammachi > > Re: Gayatri/letter > >Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:33:11 EDT > > > >Ditto - we can ponder the reasons without obsessing > one person's personal > >experience. It's not hard to figure out, she either > a) burnt out b) changed > >her mind about her vows/life's course or c) became > dissillusioned with the > >movement - whatever! If the letter was meant to be > public it would have > >been > >published as such, in other words, if Gayatri > had/has something to say to > >the > >public we'd have heard or we will hear from her. > Therefore, we should > >respect > >this person's privacy & personal decision without > prying. Whatever we're > >meant to know we will know, whatever she's > doing/has done is right by her, > >right now, even if it is a big mistake or even if > it's not. We are all free > >to think, do, and say what we need to and when we > need to - thank Gods! > > > >In a message dated 8/21/02 9:58:19 AM EST, > Ammachi writes: > > > ><< Because you have over 200 people d to > this Amma > > list, and disecting a person's life choice > shouldn't be > > done here. For those who truly want to know, > build a > > list to send copies to. There are many levels > of > > sadhaks on this list and everyone, regardless of > > Gayatri's explanation, may not fully understand > > and the letter might harm their progress. > > > > That letter was obviously only for those with a > > yearning to know or those who wouldn't > understand. > > I understand and don't need to know. Unless > Gayatri > > specifically gives her ok for posting it here, or > > the wording of the letter very specifically > mentions > > active dispersal of the letter, I think it would > be > > in bad taste to post it here. > > > > Just my opinion, > > tom >> > > > Vallath Nandakumar > vallathn > > _______________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: > http://messenger.msn.com > > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2002 Report Share Posted August 22, 2002 Thanks, Bala & Jyotsna. My curiosity about the letter is now satisfied. I wrote about the illusions being shattered because I thought there might be some negative things about Amma or the ashram, considering that her leaving had some sort of mystery about it. Just like my view of Amma gets affected by devotees' sweet experience stories. As far as sweet experiences with Amma go, yes, I have had plenty. But Amma is the whole world, and there are lots of bitter things there, too. I have also had sweet experiences in bars, with family, on camping trips etc. So sweet experiences are nice, but they have their place, and are not everything. So if illusions are shattered, they are more through my personal experiences (or lack thereof) than Gayathri's. You might consider my behaviour with Amma a bit unconventional, but in reality, 99% of it is conditioned by seeing how others behave with her. So I am not spiritually mature or gutsy enough to simply leave others out of the equation. Thanks again, Regards, Nandu >balakrishnan Shankar <balakrishnan_sh >Ammachi >Ammachi >Re: Re: Gayatri/letter >Thu, 22 Aug 2002 00:27:31 -0700 (PDT) > > Dear Nandu and others, > > I read an email from Sr. Gayatri that was >circulated after she left . I dont know if thats the >letter you are all talking about. >In that letter, Sri. Gayatri says that she needs to >'go her path' and be alone for awhile. There are no >negative coments- just a statement from a person who >wants to relate to Amma in a different way than what >she had been practicing so far. > > Another Swami too left- and when a friend of mine >was near Amma she heard Amma talk about this other >person. Someone had complaned to Amma about the >'disloyalty' of the person who left and Amma replied: > > "That son( who left) has been with Amma for 20 years >and Amma knows what is best for him and what he needs >to do. yu dont wory about that . He will come back to >Amma when the time is right'. > > You see, there is no point worryng about what the >disciples do or dont do. We should look at Amma - not >anyone else. Everybody near Amma gets their >ego/vasanas worked upon and some may leave and some >may stay . > > and your stance on Amma should be primarily based on >your personal experience. And knowing you Nandu, i >know you have a lot of sweet experiences with Amma. So >why even talk of 'illusions' getting 'shattered'.. by >what others do or say? > > The disciples of the Guru are not perfect- if they >were they wouldnt need a Guru. So there will be >different reactions from them- some may leave after 1 >year, some after 20, some after 10. Some may give up >half way, etc etc > > In each case, the Guru will guide each one according >to their mental makeup. If leaving the ashram is >spiritually god for some one, Amma will make them >leave. We cannot judge either the Guru or the >disciple. our business is to look within and go by he >light of our own faith and experience. > > About these incidents Amma said: > > "Dont look at te Guru through the disciples. Look at >the disciple through the Guru's eyes". > > bala > >bala > >--- Vallath Nandakumar <vallathn wrote: > > > > I for one am interested in seeing the letter. > > > > A good deal of > > Gayatri's sadhana details has already been made > > public through > > Matruvani magazine and her talks. Indeed, spiritual > > people's lives, > > motivations, > > etc. have been discussed on this list without anyone > > calling it > > obsession, dissection, or gossip. It is an open > > letter that people > > like me want to see, not some secret personal > > communication. > > > > While it is nice to believe in Amma as saviour, and > > read uplifting > > things bolstering that view, I don't think such > > beliefs will last > > unless they are based on truth. So if any illusion > > of mine is going > > to get shattered by Gayatri's letter, better now > > than later. > > > > But I agree that the letter may not have been meant > > for posting in an > > electronic forum, where it may be archived, etc., so > > I too am > > against posting it on a mailing list. > > > > Nandu > > (Vallath Nandakumar) > > > > > > >Dianadevi > > >Ammachi > > >Ammachi > > > Re: Gayatri/letter > > >Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:33:11 EDT > > > > > >Ditto - we can ponder the reasons without obsessing > > one person's personal > > >experience. It's not hard to figure out, she either > > a) burnt out b) changed > > >her mind about her vows/life's course or c) became > > dissillusioned with the > > >movement - whatever! If the letter was meant to be > > public it would have > > >been > > >published as such, in other words, if Gayatri > > had/has something to say to > > >the > > >public we'd have heard or we will hear from her. > > Therefore, we should > > >respect > > >this person's privacy & personal decision without > > prying. Whatever we're > > >meant to know we will know, whatever she's > > doing/has done is right by her, > > >right now, even if it is a big mistake or even if > > it's not. We are all free > > >to think, do, and say what we need to and when we > > need to - thank Gods! > > > > > >In a message dated 8/21/02 9:58:19 AM EST, > > Ammachi writes: > > > > > ><< Because you have over 200 people d to > > this Amma > > > list, and disecting a person's life choice > > shouldn't be > > > done here. For those who truly want to know, > > build a > > > list to send copies to. There are many levels > > of > > > sadhaks on this list and everyone, regardless of > > > Gayatri's explanation, may not fully understand > > > and the letter might harm their progress. > > > > > > That letter was obviously only for those with a > > > yearning to know or those who wouldn't > > understand. > > > I understand and don't need to know. Unless > > Gayatri > > > specifically gives her ok for posting it here, or > > > the wording of the letter very specifically > > mentions > > > active dispersal of the letter, I think it would > > be > > > in bad taste to post it here. > > > > > > Just my opinion, > > > tom >> > > > > > > Vallath Nandakumar > > vallathn > > > > >_______________ > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: > > http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > > > > >HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs >http://www.hotjobs.com Vallath Nandakumar vallathn _______________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2002 Report Share Posted August 22, 2002 Hi I am sorry for the multiple postings... Coming back to the topic of br. Gayatri leaving , i must add that whether or not one leaves the ashram one cannot leave Amma.. even if one thinks that one has left Her, Amma being the Divine Mother, will bring that person back to Her some time or another-- may be in this life , or maybe in a future birth . Amma has said that She will guide every person who comes to Her till the very end and is ready to take any number of births for the sake of Her devotees. bala HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2002 Report Share Posted August 22, 2002 Ammachi, balakrishnan Shankar <balakrishnan_sh> wrote: > > Hi > > I am sorry for the multiple postings... > > Coming back to the topic of br. Gayatri leaving , i > must add that whether or not one leaves the ashram one > cannot leave Amma.. even if one thinks that one has > left Her, Amma being the Divine Mother, will bring > that person back to Her some time or another-- may be > in this life , or maybe in a future birth . > > Amma has said that She will guide every person who > comes to Her till the very end and is ready to take > any number of births for the sake of Her devotees. > > bala > When I think about the 20 years of service that Gayatri offered to Amma, It seems that no matter what happens she can never be the same and there must be so much grace functioning in her life. Amma cannot ignore this. Furthermore, the guru is not the body but the Self and the grace bestowing power of God. It may be a good thing for Gayatri to be away from her physical form. L > > > > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2002 Report Share Posted August 22, 2002 I¹m a relative newcomer, so I only saw Gayatri a few times. But when I first saw her I thought, my God, that woman looks exhausted. And because of her fatigue, it looked like she was suffering. I later heard that she had had some health problems. Of course, these were just my impressions, but when I later heard that she had left and was staying in Hawaii, I thought, ³perfect.² I¹m sure she¹s getting a well-deserved rest, and as others have pointed out, her spiritual evolution is and always will be in good hands. > > Hi > > I am sorry for the multiple postings... > > Coming back to the topic of br. Gayatri leaving , i > must add that whether or not one leaves the ashram one > cannot leave Amma.. even if one thinks that one has > left Her, Amma being the Divine Mother, will bring > that person back to Her some time or another-- may be > in this life , or maybe in a future birth . > > Amma has said that She will guide every person who > comes to Her till the very end and is ready to take > any number of births for the sake of Her devotees. > > bala Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2002 Report Share Posted August 22, 2002 Ammachi, balakrishnan Shankar <balakrishnan_sh> wrote: > i must add that whether or not one leaves the ashram one > cannot leave Amma.. even if one thinks that one has > left Her, Amma being the Divine Mother, will bring > that person back to Her some time or another-- may be > in this life , or maybe in a future birth . That has been my experience. Several years ago, I though I was leaving California (and USA) for ever. I myself find it hard to live in this society (not that many others are any better). The job market was bad and I felt a lot of racial discrimination (call me crazy if you wish). I went to Amma, to say "good bye". I _really_ though I was never going to be able to see her physical presence again. To my surprise, all she said was "you and I will always be together". The twists of life (a new dauther was getting ready to be born, to a California native woman and I) made me decide to come back from Belize. And here I am, still struggling with survival in California, still loving Amma. I ask or expect nothing from her. I can only lover, because she loved me first with out conditions. And even if tomorrow shows that Amma is a con-artist, I will still love her the same. That is the way I am. She knows that. Please see http://taino.weblibre.org/amma.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2002 Report Share Posted August 22, 2002 I remember the letter too - it was posted on at least one of the two Amma email lists - and as people have said it didn't really give that much specific information -I think it said something like she would always cherish the special relationship she had with Ammachi. I remember one time the first year I met Ammachi I saw her walking with a small group of swamis, swaminis and other long-time disciples and I had a little burst of woman's intuition - something really rare for me! It was really obvious to me that I was looking at a little crowd of exceedingly tired people surrounding one little bundle filled with huge energy - Amma! I think she just couldn't keep up any more - my opinion. How many of us could keep up with Amma for one week? I don't think I'd make it through one day! I also heard that Gayatri was a cancer survivor. So I give her credit for all she did for all those years. And if she couldn't continue well who could?!? ===== Virginia _____________ Messenger Nueva versión: Webcam, voz, y mucho más ¡Gratis! Descárgalo ya desde http://messenger..es Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2002 Report Share Posted August 22, 2002 Namah Shivaya. For those newer to Amma, there are wonderful scenes featuring Swamini/Gayatri speaking about herself and Amma on the video reenactment of Amma's life, "River of Love". k. Aum Amriteshvaryai Namah > "rastanaga" <rastanaga > Ammachi > Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:35:48 -0000 > Ammachi > Re: Gayatri/letter > > Ammachi, balakrishnan Shankar <balakrishnan_sh> > wrote: >> i must add that whether or not one leaves the ashram one >> cannot leave Amma.. even if one thinks that one has >> left Her, Amma being the Divine Mother, will bring >> that person back to Her some time or another-- may be >> in this life , or maybe in a future birth . > > That has been my experience. > > Several years ago, I though I was leaving California > (and USA) for ever. I myself find it hard to live in this > society (not that many others are any better). The job market was > bad and I felt a lot of racial discrimination (call me crazy > if you wish). I went to Amma, to say "good bye". I _really_ > though I was never going to be able to see her physical > presence again. > > To my surprise, all she said was "you and I will always be > together". The twists of life (a new dauther was getting > ready to be born, to a California native woman and I) made > me decide to come back from Belize. > > And here I am, still struggling with survival in > California, still loving Amma. > > I ask or expect nothing from her. I can only lover, because > she loved me first with out conditions. And even if tomorrow > shows that Amma is a con-artist, I will still love her the same. > That is the way I am. She knows that. > > Please see > http://taino.weblibre.org/amma.html > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > Ammachi > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2002 Report Share Posted August 23, 2002 Ammachi, "Dianna Hutchinson" <girija@l...> wrote: > I think Gayatri's personal business is just that, her personal > business and not meant for all to know. We were writing about a _public_ statement, not her personal Diary! Can you see the difference? Im tired of people that want to cover the sky with their hand (the censors here). If you dont want to know about it, fine. However, let the ones that seek, find for them selves. It is clear to me now, and maybe to most here (thanks to the people that decided to share what they know) the content of that public email/letter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2002 Report Share Posted August 23, 2002 I think Gayatri's personal business is just that, her personal business and not meant for all to know. - "rastanaga" <rastanaga <Ammachi> Wednesday, August 21, 2002 8:38 PM Re: Gayatri/letter > I first learned of this letter here, on this list. > > The same person that mentioned it, also said it was meant > for the people that asked for it. Therefore, I asked. Not because > I need to know about Gayatri's private life, but because it seems > to me that this was not an easy desicion to make. I am sure it was > made based on some serious and important facts. > > If is only that she just decided to be on her > own because she was tired of getting up early every day and working > 70+ hours weeks, then what's the big deal with making it public? > I think most of us can respect that desicion. We are past the > inquisition era, I hope. > > There is a lesson in that letter for all, that is my view. > > I would like to see it. It can either be posted (i still don't > see why not), or sent to me, to this email address. > > I know that there are computers in the MA Center. I think > that someone from there should respond. To hide things like this > only makes things worst. > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > Ammachi > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2002 Report Share Posted August 23, 2002 Thanks, Avram, for your honest comments. And you too, rastanaga. Why do all so many people imply/think that Gayathri's writings about her blissful times with Amma are acceptable for discussion, but her reasons to leave are to be bypassed with statements like 'focus on Amma' and 'ugly doubts will hinder your progress'. Sort of cult-like, if you ask me. Frankly, even her leaving has been a spiritual example to me. I too felt, like Avram mentioned, that perhaps it was time for her to say NO! to all the demands on her. Setting aside the fear of saying NO, getting over the fear of eternal damnation or immersion in maya if one leaves Amma -- basically stopping fear-motivated actions, but doing things only out of love -- maybe that is what she needed. Teenager have to leave their parents, and may rebel while doing so, but it is a sign of growth. Regards, Nandu >"rastanaga" <rastanaga >Ammachi >Ammachi > Re: Gayatri/letter >Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:36:57 -0000 > >Ammachi, "Dianna Hutchinson" <girija@l...> wrote: > > I think Gayatri's personal business is just that, her personal > > business and not meant for all to know. > >We were writing about a _public_ statement, not her personal Diary! > >Can you see the difference? > >Im tired of people that want to cover the sky with >their hand (the censors here). If you dont want to know about it, >fine. However, let the ones that seek, find for them selves. > >It is clear to me now, and maybe to most here >(thanks to the people that decided to share >what they know) the content of that public email/letter. > Vallath Nandakumar vallathn _______________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2002 Report Share Posted August 23, 2002 Ammachi, "Vallath Nandakumar" <vallathn@h...> wrote: > > Thanks, Avram, for your honest comments. And you too, rastanaga. > > Why do all so many people imply/think that Gayathri's writings about > her blissful times with Amma are acceptable for discussion, but > her reasons to leave are to be bypassed with statements like > 'focus on Amma' and 'ugly doubts will hinder your progress'. Sort > of cult-like, if you ask me. > > Frankly, even her leaving has been a spiritual example to me. I > too felt, like Avram mentioned, that perhaps it was time for her to > say NO! to all the demands on her. Setting aside the fear of saying > NO, getting over the fear of eternal damnation or immersion in maya > if one leaves Amma -- basically stopping fear-motivated actions, but > doing things only out of love -- maybe that is what she needed. > > Teenager have to leave their parents, and may rebel while doing so, > but it is a sign of growth. > > Regards, > Nandu > > > > >"rastanaga" <rastanaga> > >Ammachi > >Ammachi > > Re: Gayatri/letter > >Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:36:57 -0000 > > > >Ammachi, "Dianna Hutchinson" <girija@l...> wrote: > > > I think Gayatri's personal business is just that, her personal > > > business and not meant for all to know. > > > >We were writing about a _public_ statement, not her personal Diary! > > > >Can you see the difference? > > > >Im tired of people that want to cover the sky with > >their hand (the censors here). If you dont want to know about it, > >fine. However, let the ones that seek, find for them selves. > > > >It is clear to me now, and maybe to most here > >(thanks to the people that decided to share > >what they know) the content of that public email/letter. > > > > > Vallath Nandakumar > vallathn@h... > > _______________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com I, too, have seen what happens in other spiritual organizations when people are accused of gossiping, etc., when they are simply trying to understand a relevant event within their arena of experience. I have seen that when people are open and non-judgemental there is only much more trust and understanding in the long run, and so much damage can be done under other circumstances. As one who hasn't seen this letter, One thing hasn't been answered for me. When Gayatri said she was leaving, did she say, "I'm taking a break" or "I'm leaving for good" or how exactly did she present her leaving? Many thanks, L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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