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> Hi Tom,

>

> Could you please indicate to me/us where we can

> see this letter (or who to contact)?

 

 

1. I'd recommend contacting MA Center directly. If you

do get it, certainly don't post it here. Write MA Center

an email and place "for Dayamrita" or something like that

in the Subject line so that they know it's for him.

 

2. Contact the "queen bee" (sorry) for my local satsang.

I was just at a get-together of devotees yesterday, but

I really don't associate with them much. The lady from

DC that I was told had a copy was Lalitha Meyer. I'm not

sure if her contact information from the Ammachi.org website

is current:

http://www.ammachi.org/ashram-satsangs/satsang-united-

states.html#Washington,%20DC

but try contacting anyone from the DC area satsang list on

that page if it isn't and maybe they have a copy.

 

3. Contact the head person from your local satsang, maybe

they have a copy.

 

Sorry I can't be of much help more than this.

 

tom

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Ammachi, "tomgull" <tomgull@m...> wrote:

> 1. I'd recommend contacting MA Center directly.

 

Maybe someone from the MA Center reads this list and

hopefully decides to come forward and share this

information with all.

 

(I think they should)

 

> If you do get it, certainly don't post it here.

 

Why not share it with all here?

 

I am sure we can all learn from Gayatri's valuable experience.

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Ammachi, "rastanaga" <rastanaga> wrote:

> Ammachi, "tomgull" <tomgull@m...> wrote:

> > 1. I'd recommend contacting MA Center directly.

>

>

> > If you do get it, certainly don't post it here.

>

> Why not share it with all here?

>

> I am sure we can all learn from Gayatri's valuable experience.

 

 

I also think it can be posted here. Swamini/Gayatri wrote it for

people to read, isn't that right? She probably wrote it because she

knew there might be some confusion, and as a swami and senior

disciple to Amma, our sad-guru, perhaps she felt it was her duty and

responsibility to write it. Perhaps Amma, herself, instructed her to

write this letter. It seems the letter was written for public

viewing. I think it might help people a bit to understand her motives

for taking a break, leave of absence, or whatever the case may be.

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If she has email, maybe someone who knows her could contact her and ask her

if it¹s all right to post it and in fact, ask for a copy of the letter.

Straight to the source, so to speak.

 

> Ammachi, "rastanaga" <rastanaga> wrote:

>> > Ammachi, "tomgull" <tomgull@m...> wrote:

>>> > > 1. I'd recommend contacting MA Center directly.

>> >

>> >

>>> > > If you do get it, certainly don't post it here.

>> >

>> > Why not share it with all here?

>> >

>> > I am sure we can all learn from Gayatri's valuable experience.

>

>

> I also think it can be posted here. Swamini/Gayatri wrote it for

> people to read, isn't that right? She probably wrote it because she

> knew there might be some confusion, and as a swami and senior

> disciple to Amma, our sad-guru, perhaps she felt it was her duty and

> responsibility to write it. Perhaps Amma, herself, instructed her to

> write this letter. It seems the letter was written for public

> viewing. I think it might help people a bit to understand her motives

> for taking a break, leave of absence, or whatever the case may be.

 

 

 

 

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Ammachi, "rastanaga" <rastanaga> wrote:

 

> Why not share it with all here?

> I am sure we can all learn from Gayatri's valuable experience.

 

 

Because you have over 200 people d to this Amma

list, and disecting a person's life choice shouldn't be

done here. For those who truly want to know, build a

list to send copies to. There are many levels of

sadhaks on this list and everyone, regardless of

Gayatri's explanation, may not fully understand

and the letter might harm their progress.

 

That letter was obviously only for those with a

yearning to know or those who wouldn't understand.

I understand and don't need to know. Unless Gayatri

specifically gives her ok for posting it here, or

the wording of the letter very specifically mentions

active dispersal of the letter, I think it would be

in bad taste to post it here.

 

Just my opinion,

tom

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Ditto - we can ponder the reasons without obsessing one person's personal

experience. It's not hard to figure out, she either a) burnt out b) changed

her mind about her vows/life's course or c) became dissillusioned with the

movement - whatever! If the letter was meant to be public it would have been

published as such, in other words, if Gayatri had/has something to say to the

public we'd have heard or we will hear from her. Therefore, we should respect

this person's privacy & personal decision without prying. Whatever we're

meant to know we will know, whatever she's doing/has done is right by her,

right now, even if it is a big mistake or even if it's not. We are all free

to think, do, and say what we need to and when we need to - thank Gods!

 

In a message dated 8/21/02 9:58:19 AM EST, Ammachi writes:

 

<< Because you have over 200 people d to this Amma

list, and disecting a person's life choice shouldn't be

done here. For those who truly want to know, build a

list to send copies to. There are many levels of

sadhaks on this list and everyone, regardless of

Gayatri's explanation, may not fully understand

and the letter might harm their progress.

 

That letter was obviously only for those with a

yearning to know or those who wouldn't understand.

I understand and don't need to know. Unless Gayatri

specifically gives her ok for posting it here, or

the wording of the letter very specifically mentions

active dispersal of the letter, I think it would be

in bad taste to post it here.

 

Just my opinion,

tom >>

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In a message dated 8/21/02 8:39:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

rastanaga writes:

 

<< I know that there are computers in the MA Center. I think

that someone from there should respond. >>

 

I highly doubt that anyone at the MA Center is on this list, they are very

busy. As a very involved member of the San Ramon Satsang, I have never heard

of this letter. I will inquire and report back.

 

Aum Amriteswaryai Namaha,

Amalia

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I for one am interested in seeing the letter.

 

A good deal of

Gayatri's sadhana details has already been made public through

Matruvani magazine and her talks. Indeed, spiritual people's lives,

motivations,

etc. have been discussed on this list without anyone calling it

obsession, dissection, or gossip. It is an open letter that people

like me want to see, not some secret personal communication.

 

While it is nice to believe in Amma as saviour, and read uplifting

things bolstering that view, I don't think such beliefs will last

unless they are based on truth. So if any illusion of mine is going

to get shattered by Gayatri's letter, better now than later.

 

But I agree that the letter may not have been meant for posting in an

electronic forum, where it may be archived, etc., so I too am

against posting it on a mailing list.

 

Nandu

(Vallath Nandakumar)

 

 

>Dianadevi

>Ammachi

>Ammachi

> Re: Gayatri/letter

>Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:33:11 EDT

>

>Ditto - we can ponder the reasons without obsessing one person's personal

>experience. It's not hard to figure out, she either a) burnt out b) changed

>her mind about her vows/life's course or c) became dissillusioned with the

>movement - whatever! If the letter was meant to be public it would have

>been

>published as such, in other words, if Gayatri had/has something to say to

>the

>public we'd have heard or we will hear from her. Therefore, we should

>respect

>this person's privacy & personal decision without prying. Whatever we're

>meant to know we will know, whatever she's doing/has done is right by her,

>right now, even if it is a big mistake or even if it's not. We are all free

>to think, do, and say what we need to and when we need to - thank Gods!

>

>In a message dated 8/21/02 9:58:19 AM EST, Ammachi writes:

>

><< Because you have over 200 people d to this Amma

> list, and disecting a person's life choice shouldn't be

> done here. For those who truly want to know, build a

> list to send copies to. There are many levels of

> sadhaks on this list and everyone, regardless of

> Gayatri's explanation, may not fully understand

> and the letter might harm their progress.

>

> That letter was obviously only for those with a

> yearning to know or those who wouldn't understand.

> I understand and don't need to know. Unless Gayatri

> specifically gives her ok for posting it here, or

> the wording of the letter very specifically mentions

> active dispersal of the letter, I think it would be

> in bad taste to post it here.

>

> Just my opinion,

> tom >>

 

 

Vallath Nandakumar

vallathn

 

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> But I agree that the letter may not have been meant for posting in an

> electronic forum, where it may be archived, etc., so I too am

> against posting it on a mailing list.

>

> Nandu

> (Vallath Nandakumar)

>

The whole issue of whether it should be posted or not really boils down to

what Gayatri wants. Why speculate? Someone who knows how to contact her

should just do so and then we¹ll all readily agree with her wishes, whether

they involve seeing the letter or not.

 

 

 

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I first learned of this letter here, on this list.

 

The same person that mentioned it, also said it was meant

for the people that asked for it. Therefore, I asked. Not because

I need to know about Gayatri's private life, but because it seems

to me that this was not an easy desicion to make. I am sure it was

made based on some serious and important facts.

 

If is only that she just decided to be on her

own because she was tired of getting up early every day and working

70+ hours weeks, then what's the big deal with making it public?

I think most of us can respect that desicion. We are past the

inquisition era, I hope.

 

There is a lesson in that letter for all, that is my view.

 

I would like to see it. It can either be posted (i still don't

see why not), or sent to me, to this email address.

 

I know that there are computers in the MA Center. I think

that someone from there should respond. To hide things like this

only makes things worst.

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I was one who read said "letter" in Amritapuri in

Dec. '99 right after said person left. It really

didn't say much, as I recall, only that everyone

has to follow their own path. So I think if

you are expecting a lot, you'll be disappointed.

 

In Amma,

Jyotsna

 

--- rastanaga <rastanaga wrote:

> > As a very involved member of the San Ramon

> Satsang, I have never

> heard

> > of this letter. I will inquire and report back.

>

> Thank You,

> Om Namah Shivaya

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Ammachi, Ellen Lamb <jyotsna2> wrote:

> as I recall, only that everyone

> has to follow their own path. So I think if

> you are expecting a lot, you'll be disappointed.

 

Sister, I am not expecting anything more that what you have

said here, "everyone has to follow their own path".

 

I think my previous posts should have made that clear, please

read them all again.

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Dear Nandu and others,

 

I read an email from Sr. Gayatri that was

circulated after she left . I dont know if thats the

letter you are all talking about.

In that letter, Sri. Gayatri says that she needs to

'go her path' and be alone for awhile. There are no

negative coments- just a statement from a person who

wants to relate to Amma in a different way than what

she had been practicing so far.

 

Another Swami too left- and when a friend of mine

was near Amma she heard Amma talk about this other

person. Someone had complaned to Amma about the

'disloyalty' of the person who left and Amma replied:

 

"That son( who left) has been with Amma for 20 years

and Amma knows what is best for him and what he needs

to do. yu dont wory about that . He will come back to

Amma when the time is right'.

 

You see, there is no point worryng about what the

disciples do or dont do. We should look at Amma - not

anyone else. Everybody near Amma gets their

ego/vasanas worked upon and some may leave and some

may stay .

 

and your stance on Amma should be primarily based on

your personal experience. And knowing you Nandu, i

know you have a lot of sweet experiences with Amma. So

why even talk of 'illusions' getting 'shattered'.. by

what others do or say?

 

The disciples of the Guru are not perfect- if they

were they wouldnt need a Guru. So there will be

different reactions from them- some may leave after 1

year, some after 20, some after 10. Some may give up

half way, etc etc

 

In each case, the Guru will guide each one according

to their mental makeup. If leaving the ashram is

spiritually god for some one, Amma will make them

leave. We cannot judge either the Guru or the

disciple. our business is to look within and go by he

light of our own faith and experience.

 

About these incidents Amma said:

 

"Dont look at te Guru through the disciples. Look at

the disciple through the Guru's eyes".

 

bala

 

bala

 

--- Vallath Nandakumar <vallathn wrote:

>

> I for one am interested in seeing the letter.

>

> A good deal of

> Gayatri's sadhana details has already been made

> public through

> Matruvani magazine and her talks. Indeed, spiritual

> people's lives,

> motivations,

> etc. have been discussed on this list without anyone

> calling it

> obsession, dissection, or gossip. It is an open

> letter that people

> like me want to see, not some secret personal

> communication.

>

> While it is nice to believe in Amma as saviour, and

> read uplifting

> things bolstering that view, I don't think such

> beliefs will last

> unless they are based on truth. So if any illusion

> of mine is going

> to get shattered by Gayatri's letter, better now

> than later.

>

> But I agree that the letter may not have been meant

> for posting in an

> electronic forum, where it may be archived, etc., so

> I too am

> against posting it on a mailing list.

>

> Nandu

> (Vallath Nandakumar)

>

>

> >Dianadevi

> >Ammachi

> >Ammachi

> > Re: Gayatri/letter

> >Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:33:11 EDT

> >

> >Ditto - we can ponder the reasons without obsessing

> one person's personal

> >experience. It's not hard to figure out, she either

> a) burnt out b) changed

> >her mind about her vows/life's course or c) became

> dissillusioned with the

> >movement - whatever! If the letter was meant to be

> public it would have

> >been

> >published as such, in other words, if Gayatri

> had/has something to say to

> >the

> >public we'd have heard or we will hear from her.

> Therefore, we should

> >respect

> >this person's privacy & personal decision without

> prying. Whatever we're

> >meant to know we will know, whatever she's

> doing/has done is right by her,

> >right now, even if it is a big mistake or even if

> it's not. We are all free

> >to think, do, and say what we need to and when we

> need to - thank Gods!

> >

> >In a message dated 8/21/02 9:58:19 AM EST,

> Ammachi writes:

> >

> ><< Because you have over 200 people d to

> this Amma

> > list, and disecting a person's life choice

> shouldn't be

> > done here. For those who truly want to know,

> build a

> > list to send copies to. There are many levels

> of

> > sadhaks on this list and everyone, regardless of

> > Gayatri's explanation, may not fully understand

> > and the letter might harm their progress.

> >

> > That letter was obviously only for those with a

> > yearning to know or those who wouldn't

> understand.

> > I understand and don't need to know. Unless

> Gayatri

> > specifically gives her ok for posting it here, or

> > the wording of the letter very specifically

> mentions

> > active dispersal of the letter, I think it would

> be

> > in bad taste to post it here.

> >

> > Just my opinion,

> > tom >>

>

>

> Vallath Nandakumar

> vallathn

>

>

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Thanks, Bala & Jyotsna. My curiosity about the letter is now

satisfied. I wrote about the illusions being shattered

because I thought there might be some negative things about

Amma or the ashram, considering that her leaving had some sort

of mystery about it. Just like my view of Amma gets affected

by devotees' sweet experience stories.

 

As far as sweet experiences with Amma go, yes, I have had

plenty. But Amma is the whole world, and there are lots

of bitter things there, too. I have also had sweet experiences

in bars, with family, on camping trips etc. So sweet experiences

are nice, but they have their place, and are not everything. So if

illusions are shattered, they are more through my personal

experiences (or lack thereof) than Gayathri's.

 

You might consider my behaviour with Amma a bit unconventional,

but in reality, 99% of it is conditioned by seeing how others

behave with her. So I am not spiritually mature or gutsy

enough to simply leave others out of the equation.

 

Thanks again,

Regards,

Nandu

 

>balakrishnan Shankar <balakrishnan_sh

>Ammachi

>Ammachi

>Re: Re: Gayatri/letter

>Thu, 22 Aug 2002 00:27:31 -0700 (PDT)

>

> Dear Nandu and others,

>

> I read an email from Sr. Gayatri that was

>circulated after she left . I dont know if thats the

>letter you are all talking about.

>In that letter, Sri. Gayatri says that she needs to

>'go her path' and be alone for awhile. There are no

>negative coments- just a statement from a person who

>wants to relate to Amma in a different way than what

>she had been practicing so far.

>

> Another Swami too left- and when a friend of mine

>was near Amma she heard Amma talk about this other

>person. Someone had complaned to Amma about the

>'disloyalty' of the person who left and Amma replied:

>

> "That son( who left) has been with Amma for 20 years

>and Amma knows what is best for him and what he needs

>to do. yu dont wory about that . He will come back to

>Amma when the time is right'.

>

> You see, there is no point worryng about what the

>disciples do or dont do. We should look at Amma - not

>anyone else. Everybody near Amma gets their

>ego/vasanas worked upon and some may leave and some

>may stay .

>

> and your stance on Amma should be primarily based on

>your personal experience. And knowing you Nandu, i

>know you have a lot of sweet experiences with Amma. So

>why even talk of 'illusions' getting 'shattered'.. by

>what others do or say?

>

> The disciples of the Guru are not perfect- if they

>were they wouldnt need a Guru. So there will be

>different reactions from them- some may leave after 1

>year, some after 20, some after 10. Some may give up

>half way, etc etc

>

> In each case, the Guru will guide each one according

>to their mental makeup. If leaving the ashram is

>spiritually god for some one, Amma will make them

>leave. We cannot judge either the Guru or the

>disciple. our business is to look within and go by he

>light of our own faith and experience.

>

> About these incidents Amma said:

>

> "Dont look at te Guru through the disciples. Look at

>the disciple through the Guru's eyes".

>

> bala

>

>bala

>

>--- Vallath Nandakumar <vallathn wrote:

> >

> > I for one am interested in seeing the letter.

> >

> > A good deal of

> > Gayatri's sadhana details has already been made

> > public through

> > Matruvani magazine and her talks. Indeed, spiritual

> > people's lives,

> > motivations,

> > etc. have been discussed on this list without anyone

> > calling it

> > obsession, dissection, or gossip. It is an open

> > letter that people

> > like me want to see, not some secret personal

> > communication.

> >

> > While it is nice to believe in Amma as saviour, and

> > read uplifting

> > things bolstering that view, I don't think such

> > beliefs will last

> > unless they are based on truth. So if any illusion

> > of mine is going

> > to get shattered by Gayatri's letter, better now

> > than later.

> >

> > But I agree that the letter may not have been meant

> > for posting in an

> > electronic forum, where it may be archived, etc., so

> > I too am

> > against posting it on a mailing list.

> >

> > Nandu

> > (Vallath Nandakumar)

> >

> >

> > >Dianadevi

> > >Ammachi

> > >Ammachi

> > > Re: Gayatri/letter

> > >Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:33:11 EDT

> > >

> > >Ditto - we can ponder the reasons without obsessing

> > one person's personal

> > >experience. It's not hard to figure out, she either

> > a) burnt out b) changed

> > >her mind about her vows/life's course or c) became

> > dissillusioned with the

> > >movement - whatever! If the letter was meant to be

> > public it would have

> > >been

> > >published as such, in other words, if Gayatri

> > had/has something to say to

> > >the

> > >public we'd have heard or we will hear from her.

> > Therefore, we should

> > >respect

> > >this person's privacy & personal decision without

> > prying. Whatever we're

> > >meant to know we will know, whatever she's

> > doing/has done is right by her,

> > >right now, even if it is a big mistake or even if

> > it's not. We are all free

> > >to think, do, and say what we need to and when we

> > need to - thank Gods!

> > >

> > >In a message dated 8/21/02 9:58:19 AM EST,

> > Ammachi writes:

> > >

> > ><< Because you have over 200 people d to

> > this Amma

> > > list, and disecting a person's life choice

> > shouldn't be

> > > done here. For those who truly want to know,

> > build a

> > > list to send copies to. There are many levels

> > of

> > > sadhaks on this list and everyone, regardless of

> > > Gayatri's explanation, may not fully understand

> > > and the letter might harm their progress.

> > >

> > > That letter was obviously only for those with a

> > > yearning to know or those who wouldn't

> > understand.

> > > I understand and don't need to know. Unless

> > Gayatri

> > > specifically gives her ok for posting it here, or

> > > the wording of the letter very specifically

> > mentions

> > > active dispersal of the letter, I think it would

> > be

> > > in bad taste to post it here.

> > >

> > > Just my opinion,

> > > tom >>

> >

> >

> > Vallath Nandakumar

> > vallathn

> >

> >

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> >

>

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>

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Hi

 

I am sorry for the multiple postings...

 

Coming back to the topic of br. Gayatri leaving , i

must add that whether or not one leaves the ashram one

cannot leave Amma.. even if one thinks that one has

left Her, Amma being the Divine Mother, will bring

that person back to Her some time or another-- may be

in this life , or maybe in a future birth .

 

Amma has said that She will guide every person who

comes to Her till the very end and is ready to take

any number of births for the sake of Her devotees.

 

bala

 

 

 

 

 

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Ammachi, balakrishnan Shankar <balakrishnan_sh>

wrote:

>

> Hi

>

> I am sorry for the multiple postings...

>

> Coming back to the topic of br. Gayatri leaving , i

> must add that whether or not one leaves the ashram one

> cannot leave Amma.. even if one thinks that one has

> left Her, Amma being the Divine Mother, will bring

> that person back to Her some time or another-- may be

> in this life , or maybe in a future birth .

>

> Amma has said that She will guide every person who

> comes to Her till the very end and is ready to take

> any number of births for the sake of Her devotees.

>

> bala

>

 

When I think about the 20 years of service that Gayatri offered to

Amma, It seems that no matter what happens she can never be the same

and there must be so much grace functioning in her life. Amma cannot

ignore this. Furthermore, the guru is not the body but the Self and

the grace bestowing power of God. It may be a good thing for Gayatri

to be away from her physical form.

 

L

>

>

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I¹m a relative newcomer, so I only saw Gayatri a few times. But when I first

saw her I thought, my God, that woman looks exhausted. And because of her

fatigue, it looked like she was suffering. I later heard that she had had

some health problems. Of course, these were just my impressions, but when I

later heard that she had left and was staying in Hawaii, I thought,

³perfect.² I¹m sure she¹s getting a well-deserved rest, and as others have

pointed out, her spiritual evolution is and always will be in good hands.

>

> Hi

>

> I am sorry for the multiple postings...

>

> Coming back to the topic of br. Gayatri leaving , i

> must add that whether or not one leaves the ashram one

> cannot leave Amma.. even if one thinks that one has

> left Her, Amma being the Divine Mother, will bring

> that person back to Her some time or another-- may be

> in this life , or maybe in a future birth .

>

> Amma has said that She will guide every person who

> comes to Her till the very end and is ready to take

> any number of births for the sake of Her devotees.

>

> bala

 

 

 

 

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Ammachi, balakrishnan Shankar <balakrishnan_sh>

wrote:

> i must add that whether or not one leaves the ashram one

> cannot leave Amma.. even if one thinks that one has

> left Her, Amma being the Divine Mother, will bring

> that person back to Her some time or another-- may be

> in this life , or maybe in a future birth .

 

That has been my experience.

 

Several years ago, I though I was leaving California

(and USA) for ever. I myself find it hard to live in this

society (not that many others are any better). The job market was

bad and I felt a lot of racial discrimination (call me crazy

if you wish). I went to Amma, to say "good bye". I _really_

though I was never going to be able to see her physical

presence again.

 

To my surprise, all she said was "you and I will always be

together". The twists of life (a new dauther was getting

ready to be born, to a California native woman and I) made

me decide to come back from Belize.

 

And here I am, still struggling with survival in

California, still loving Amma.

 

I ask or expect nothing from her. I can only lover, because

she loved me first with out conditions. And even if tomorrow

shows that Amma is a con-artist, I will still love her the same.

That is the way I am. She knows that.

 

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I remember the letter too - it was posted on at least one of the two Amma email

lists - and as people have said it didn't really give that much specific

information -I think it said something like she would always cherish the

special relationship she had with Ammachi. I remember one time the first year I

met Ammachi I saw her walking with a small group of swamis, swaminis and other

long-time disciples and I had a little burst of woman's intuition - something

really rare for me! It was really obvious to me that I was looking at a little

crowd of exceedingly tired people surrounding one little bundle filled with

huge energy - Amma! I think she just couldn't keep up any more - my opinion.

How many of us could keep up with Amma for one week? I don't think I'd make it

through one day! I also heard that Gayatri was a cancer survivor. So I give her

credit for all she did for all those years. And if she couldn't continue well

who could?!?

 

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Namah Shivaya.

For those newer to Amma, there are wonderful scenes featuring

Swamini/Gayatri speaking about herself and Amma on the video reenactment of

Amma's life, "River of Love".

k.

Aum Amriteshvaryai Namah

 

 

> "rastanaga" <rastanaga

> Ammachi

> Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:35:48 -0000

> Ammachi

> Re: Gayatri/letter

>

> Ammachi, balakrishnan Shankar <balakrishnan_sh>

> wrote:

>> i must add that whether or not one leaves the ashram one

>> cannot leave Amma.. even if one thinks that one has

>> left Her, Amma being the Divine Mother, will bring

>> that person back to Her some time or another-- may be

>> in this life , or maybe in a future birth .

>

> That has been my experience.

>

> Several years ago, I though I was leaving California

> (and USA) for ever. I myself find it hard to live in this

> society (not that many others are any better). The job market was

> bad and I felt a lot of racial discrimination (call me crazy

> if you wish). I went to Amma, to say "good bye". I _really_

> though I was never going to be able to see her physical

> presence again.

>

> To my surprise, all she said was "you and I will always be

> together". The twists of life (a new dauther was getting

> ready to be born, to a California native woman and I) made

> me decide to come back from Belize.

>

> And here I am, still struggling with survival in

> California, still loving Amma.

>

> I ask or expect nothing from her. I can only lover, because

> she loved me first with out conditions. And even if tomorrow

> shows that Amma is a con-artist, I will still love her the same.

> That is the way I am. She knows that.

>

> Please see

> http://taino.weblibre.org/amma.html

>

>

>

> Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

>

> Ammachi

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

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Ammachi, "Dianna Hutchinson" <girija@l...> wrote:

> I think Gayatri's personal business is just that, her personal

> business and not meant for all to know.

 

We were writing about a _public_ statement, not her personal Diary!

 

Can you see the difference?

 

Im tired of people that want to cover the sky with

their hand (the censors here). If you dont want to know about it,

fine. However, let the ones that seek, find for them selves.

 

It is clear to me now, and maybe to most here

(thanks to the people that decided to share

what they know) the content of that public email/letter.

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I think Gayatri's personal business is just that, her personal business and

not meant for all to know.

-

"rastanaga" <rastanaga

<Ammachi>

Wednesday, August 21, 2002 8:38 PM

Re: Gayatri/letter

 

 

> I first learned of this letter here, on this list.

>

> The same person that mentioned it, also said it was meant

> for the people that asked for it. Therefore, I asked. Not because

> I need to know about Gayatri's private life, but because it seems

> to me that this was not an easy desicion to make. I am sure it was

> made based on some serious and important facts.

>

> If is only that she just decided to be on her

> own because she was tired of getting up early every day and working

> 70+ hours weeks, then what's the big deal with making it public?

> I think most of us can respect that desicion. We are past the

> inquisition era, I hope.

>

> There is a lesson in that letter for all, that is my view.

>

> I would like to see it. It can either be posted (i still don't

> see why not), or sent to me, to this email address.

>

> I know that there are computers in the MA Center. I think

> that someone from there should respond. To hide things like this

> only makes things worst.

>

>

>

> Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

>

> Ammachi

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

>

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Thanks, Avram, for your honest comments. And you too, rastanaga.

 

Why do all so many people imply/think that Gayathri's writings about

her blissful times with Amma are acceptable for discussion, but

her reasons to leave are to be bypassed with statements like

'focus on Amma' and 'ugly doubts will hinder your progress'. Sort

of cult-like, if you ask me.

 

Frankly, even her leaving has been a spiritual example to me. I

too felt, like Avram mentioned, that perhaps it was time for her to

say NO! to all the demands on her. Setting aside the fear of saying

NO, getting over the fear of eternal damnation or immersion in maya

if one leaves Amma -- basically stopping fear-motivated actions, but

doing things only out of love -- maybe that is what she needed.

 

Teenager have to leave their parents, and may rebel while doing so,

but it is a sign of growth.

 

Regards,

Nandu

 

 

 

>"rastanaga" <rastanaga

>Ammachi

>Ammachi

> Re: Gayatri/letter

>Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:36:57 -0000

>

>Ammachi, "Dianna Hutchinson" <girija@l...> wrote:

> > I think Gayatri's personal business is just that, her personal

> > business and not meant for all to know.

>

>We were writing about a _public_ statement, not her personal Diary!

>

>Can you see the difference?

>

>Im tired of people that want to cover the sky with

>their hand (the censors here). If you dont want to know about it,

>fine. However, let the ones that seek, find for them selves.

>

>It is clear to me now, and maybe to most here

>(thanks to the people that decided to share

>what they know) the content of that public email/letter.

>

 

 

Vallath Nandakumar

vallathn

 

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Ammachi, "Vallath Nandakumar" <vallathn@h...> wrote:

>

> Thanks, Avram, for your honest comments. And you too, rastanaga.

>

> Why do all so many people imply/think that Gayathri's writings about

> her blissful times with Amma are acceptable for discussion, but

> her reasons to leave are to be bypassed with statements like

> 'focus on Amma' and 'ugly doubts will hinder your progress'. Sort

> of cult-like, if you ask me.

>

> Frankly, even her leaving has been a spiritual example to me. I

> too felt, like Avram mentioned, that perhaps it was time for her to

> say NO! to all the demands on her. Setting aside the fear of saying

> NO, getting over the fear of eternal damnation or immersion in maya

> if one leaves Amma -- basically stopping fear-motivated actions, but

> doing things only out of love -- maybe that is what she needed.

>

> Teenager have to leave their parents, and may rebel while doing so,

> but it is a sign of growth.

>

> Regards,

> Nandu

>

>

>

> >"rastanaga" <rastanaga>

> >Ammachi

> >Ammachi

> > Re: Gayatri/letter

> >Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:36:57 -0000

> >

> >Ammachi, "Dianna Hutchinson" <girija@l...> wrote:

> > > I think Gayatri's personal business is just that, her personal

> > > business and not meant for all to know.

> >

> >We were writing about a _public_ statement, not her personal Diary!

> >

> >Can you see the difference?

> >

> >Im tired of people that want to cover the sky with

> >their hand (the censors here). If you dont want to know about it,

> >fine. However, let the ones that seek, find for them selves.

> >

> >It is clear to me now, and maybe to most here

> >(thanks to the people that decided to share

> >what they know) the content of that public email/letter.

> >

>

>

> Vallath Nandakumar

> vallathn@h...

>

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I, too, have seen what happens in other spiritual organizations when

people are accused of gossiping, etc., when they are simply trying to

understand a relevant event within their arena of experience. I have

seen that when people are open and non-judgemental there is only much

more trust and understanding in the long run, and so much damage can

be done under other circumstances.

 

As one who hasn't seen this letter, One thing hasn't been answered

for me. When Gayatri said she was leaving, did she say, "I'm taking a

break" or "I'm leaving for good" or how exactly did she present her

leaving? Many thanks,

L

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