Isavasyopanisad - Verse 5

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Namaste ji,

 

Great words.

 

By a glance anyone would think that what are we talking about, how

can one be here and also present another place. Well understanding

the true nature of self is the greatest thing as the Self is

transcendental. It lies beyond our senses, beyond the world as we

experience it to be. There the Self is motionless, for ever at ease

in its eternal tranquillity and blissfulness. It's like an unmoving

and unmovable foundation. It has all conceivable qualities and all

conceivable powers in it. It's like a gigantic volcano at rest, full

of energy, full of life. Because of one eminent quality, creativity,

one of the most beautiful aspects of the Self, it starts to create,

ie. it starts to move. Then motion comes in. With motion the immanent

world starts with its time, space and its cause and effect, which are

all aspects of motion. So by creativity the Self gets a dual aspect:

it is by now both motionless and in motion. But it remains the One.

Motion and motionless are but aspects of its nature. There is only

one Self. Without the Self, never could life exist. Because the Self

is the life in all things.

 

SHE is within all, and SHE

transcends all.

 

God is not only transcendental. It lives in everything alive. It's

the sum of your life. You are It. That's the reason why WE are so

blissful and perfect in your most inner being.

Thank you very much ji.

 

Children of Kali

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Namaste ji,Great words.

Great seers they were ..........By a glance anyone would think that what are we

talking about, how can one be here and also present another place.

Yes it was written in such a way to grab the reader’s attention so they will

think how could it be here and there . The point is it was everywhere that is

why we used the word pervasiveness

It lies beyond our senses, beyond the world as we experience it to be

Well good interpretation but the understanding should be that just because it

was beyond that does not mean it is not here as well. That means it is not only

beyond senses but also within senses. The word transcendental should not only be

understood as beyond but also within that is why we use the word

pervasiveness.(actually the word transcendental is much more appropriate to the

next verse)

There the Self is motionless, forever at ease in its eternal tranquility and blissfulness.

Correct but it is both motion and motionless that is why it is referred to as

“It outstrips (in motion) all that runs being as it is steady (motionless)

always “

It's like an unmoving and unmovable foundation.

There right word should be unmoving foundation that is movable . Those volcano

that is going to erupt is a good analogy.

It has all conceivable qualities and all conceivable powers in it

This interpretation cannot be deduced by verses above yet perhaps your knowledge

of later verses are helping to have these perception already

Because of one eminent quality, creativity, one of the most beautiful aspects of

the Self, it starts to create, ie. it starts to move. Then motion comes in. With

motion the immanent world starts with its time, space and its cause and effect,

which are all aspects of motion

Well put but we have not been able grasps the meaning of what they mean by

motion or mutation (immutable) from this verse again your understanding is

based not from these verses but form other rightful knowledge as well

Motion and motionless are but aspects of its nature.

Yes this is the right interpretation for the statement that “It outstrips (in

motion) all that runs being as it is steady (motionless) always”

There is only one Self. Without the Self, never could life exist. Because the

Self is the life in all things.

Well you are right however instead of using the word life( the opposites is

dead)you can say nothing could manifest into forms without the source of all

manifestation is that.SHE is within all, and SHE transcends all.

Now you have already defined She ( with certain form) is That(Atman) . The

conclusion is not drawn yet in these verses but only after another 2 more

verses . Until now it is only referred to as that or Atman .

Well if you have understood the verse above than the conclusion should ideally be ;

The Self is All !!!

God is not only transcendental. It lives in everything alive. It's the sum of your life..

Good conclusion however these is not the conclusion of these verse yet

You are It. That's the reason why WE are so blissful and perfect in your most inner being

Again I like the conclusion drawn but there is no linkage between the atman

(Paratman) and you (jivataman) in verses we have discussed yet.

Furthermore the understanding or experience that we are blissful and perfect in

our most inner being could not be concluded until we have come to experience as

well

Thank you very much ji.

I am happy your putting yout thinking cap on when we are discussion the aloft principle of upanishad

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