Guest guest Posted March 8, 2000 Report Share Posted March 8, 2000 Sat Nam, Yogi Bhajan is very clear if you do Kundalini yoga then don't do drugs. KY opens our energy so powerfully that any drugs can be harmful. I knew someone who did both and the guy had a very bad experience. (He chose KY after that.) Yogi Bhajan has given us KY so we can get high naturally. It does take longer but it lasts longer too. And there are no downers. YB told use 2 summers ago that marijuna changes the orientation of the brain, so that when we leave this planet we will miss our mark. It is like aiming for Mars (or Nirvana) and having a clitch in our projectory system. We can't reach our destination. Should have heard the silence in the audience after he slipped that fact into his lecture. As hard as we work down here to prepare for the rest of our journey, we certainly want to be pointed in the right direction. It is not a question of morality. It is just how things work. Sat Nam, Gururattan Kaur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2000 Report Share Posted March 8, 2000 This is a subject that rarely gets talked about so I put it out to share with the heart list as well. The way this is described is powerful and perhaps a very simple explanation of why it is not something to practice. Gloria Rattana Khalsa wrote: > "Rattana Khalsa" <rattanak > > Sat Nam, > > Yogi Bhajan is very clear if you do Kundalini yoga then don't do drugs. KY > opens our energy so powerfully that any drugs can be harmful. I knew > someone who did both and the guy had a very bad experience. (He chose KY > after that.) Yogi Bhajan has given us KY so we can get high naturally. It > does take longer but it lasts longer too. And there are no downers. > > YB told use 2 summers ago that marijuna changes the orientation of the > brain, so that when we leave this planet we will miss our mark. It is like > aiming for Mars (or Nirvana) and having a clitch in our projectory system. > We can't reach our destination. Should have heard the silence in the > audience after he slipped that fact into his lecture. As hard as we work > down here to prepare for the rest of our journey, we certainly want to be > pointed in the right direction. > > It is not a question of morality. It is just how things work. > > Sat Nam, > > Gururattan Kaur > > ------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 2.9% > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! > http://click./1/936/1/_/505222/_/952545966/ > ------ > > "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY" > - Yogi Bhajan > > WEB SITE: kundalini yoga > > KUNDALINI YOGA ON-LINE TRAINING. Details from > kundalini yogaclasses.html > > Sponsored by YOGA TECHNOLOGY - Popular publishers since 1988 of books on Kundalini Yoga and Meditation. > > > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from this list at the ONElist Member Center (My ONElist), or send mail to > Kundaliniyoga- > NO UNSUBSCRIBE REQUESTS TO THE LIST PLEASE! -- Enter The Silence to know God Accept life as the teacher Gloria Joy Greco e-mail me at: dennisgloria visit my homepage & internet retreat at: http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2000 Report Share Posted March 9, 2000 Thanks Rattana & Gloria for the replies. I anticipated the response to the substances issue and have taken your opinions to heart, but I was actually hoping more for a response to the pranayama question. I am of the opinion that anything outside ones own consciousness (or rather perceived as outside) cannot 'cause' enlightenment, however there are many paths and many tools to help one reach that goal. I don't want to press the issue, as I understand the main orientation of the list, but these links may be of interest to some. Soma: http://www.peyote.com/jonstef/Hindu.htm , Spiritual use of entheogens http://www.csp.org/nicholas/spiritualindex.html thanks again. :-)PeaceLoveUnityRespect(-: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2000 Report Share Posted March 9, 2000 please remove me from this list > > Skylined [sMTP:mdunn] > 09 March 2000 17:28 > Kundaliniyoga > Re: YK OR Drugs > > "Skylined" <mdunn > > Thanks Rattana & Gloria for the replies. > > I anticipated the response to the substances issue and have taken your > opinions to heart, but I was actually hoping more for a response to the > pranayama question. > > I am of the opinion that anything outside ones own consciousness (or > rather > perceived as outside) cannot 'cause' enlightenment, however there are many > paths and many tools to help one reach that goal. I don't want to press > the > issue, as I understand the main orientation of the list, but these links > may > be of interest to some. > Soma: http://www.peyote.com/jonstef/Hindu.htm , > Spiritual use of entheogens > http://www.csp.org/nicholas/spiritualindex.html > > thanks again. > :-)PeaceLoveUnityRespect(-: > > > > ------ > PERFORM CPR ON YOUR APR! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click./1/2121/1/_/505222/_/952623292/ > ------ > > "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY" > - Yogi Bhajan > > WEB SITE: kundalini yoga > > KUNDALINI YOGA ON-LINE TRAINING. Details from > kundalini yogaclasses.html > > Sponsored by YOGA TECHNOLOGY - Popular publishers since 1988 of books on > Kundalini Yoga and Meditation. > > > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from this list at the ONElist Member Center (My > ONElist), or send mail to > Kundaliniyoga- > NO UNSUBSCRIBE REQUESTS TO THE LIST PLEASE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2000 Report Share Posted March 11, 2000 Hi All, I've been following this thread and I have to say I am amazed at the tolerance for use of drugs in conjunction with the practice of yoga being posted. IMHO, if someone wants or needs drugs and does no harm in acquiring or using them; and, does not contribute in any way to anyone else's doing harm, then that's OK for them ( that's a pretty tall order considering all the travails drugs must go through to get to your friendly dealer next store-- something that needs to be considered ). My understanding of the practice of yoga is very simplistic: learning mental discipline and opening up your body's energy path ways by purifying your body. Every yogic practice I can think of can be classified in one or both of these macro-catagories. We need these 2 cornerstones of practice to progress to anything beyond where we are now. How anybody can attribute an increase in either of these 2 necessities to the use of drugs is beyond me. You can say that drug use may facilitate the same feelings, ideas, emotions, etc. as yoga does and I can't say you are wrong; but I can say that their use is about as far removed from the practice of yoga as you can get. Yoga is about achieving union on your own. You can walk to where you direct your feet or buy you can buy a ticket and fly to a destination of the pilot's choosing. Perhaps it will be the same place; but, even if it is you will not be the same person who is there for the different journeys will change you differently. Regards, Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2000 Report Share Posted March 11, 2000 > >I am of the opinion that anything outside ones own consciousness (or rather >perceived as outside) cannot 'cause' enlightenment, however there are many >paths and many tools to help one reach that goal. Hi, >From what i can remember of the original post you mentioned you were quite young. What i would really give consideration to is if you start off by doing things this way, it may be harder to do them unaided, you may be creating problems for yourself which could be avoided by having faith in your own unassisted abilities in the first place.... Have faith in you.... Lots of love Natalie ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2000 Report Share Posted March 11, 2000 Hi All, As you can tell, I am not in favor of drug use; but , there is so much good stuff on this list that I can not believe you would let a momentary thread disillusion you so much. If you chose to leave the wheat because of the chaff, you may not have enough to eat. Peace, Gary Alfred687 wrote: > Alfred687 > > Lola, I am beginning to agree with you on leaving, I thought this was about > KY and not drugs. This sucks. > > ------ > PERFORM CPR ON YOUR APR! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click./1/2121/1/_/505222/_/952905893/ > ------ > > "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY" > - Yogi Bhajan > > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from this list at the ONElist Member Center (My ONElist), or send mail to > Kundaliniyoga- > NO UNSUBSCRIBE REQUESTS TO THE LIST PLEASE! > WEB SITE: kundalini yoga > > KUNDALINI YOGA ON-LINE TRAINING. Details from > kundalini yogaclasses.html > > Sponsored by YOGA TECHNOLOGY - Popular publishers since 1988 of books on Kundalini Yoga and Meditation. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2000 Report Share Posted March 12, 2000 Please take me off our mailing list for e-mail. Donna Bloom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2000 Report Share Posted March 12, 2000 Sat nam This is an interesting discussion. I knew people who would smoke marijuana then go to KY class. I always thot that was strange, cause yoga makes me 'high' but in a different way than drugs, if I did drugs (which Iused to) I wouldn't feel like doing yoga, cause drugs made me feel lazy. Yoga makes me feel high but energized not drugged high. I think both drugs and yoga -at least for me- are a way of striving to evade the chatter,chatter of the mind, and the circumstances of my life that I don't like. But I agree with Gururattan Kaur and Yogi Bhajan - yoga works better than drugs [and its cheaper ] Kartar Kaur On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, Rattana Khalsa wrote: > "Rattana Khalsa" <rattanak > > Sat Nam, > > Yogi Bhajan is very clear if you do Kundalini yoga then don't do drugs. KY > opens our energy so powerfully that any drugs can be harmful. I knew > someone who did both and the guy had a very bad experience. (He chose KY > after that.) Yogi Bhajan has given us KY so we can get high naturally. It > does take longer but it lasts longer too. And there are no downers. > > YB told use 2 summers ago that marijuna changes the orientation of the > brain, so that when we leave this planet we will miss our mark. It is like > aiming for Mars (or Nirvana) and having a clitch in our projectory system. > We can't reach our destination. Should have heard the silence in the > audience after he slipped that fact into his lecture. As hard as we work > down here to prepare for the rest of our journey, we certainly want to be > pointed in the right direction. > > It is not a question of morality. It is just how things work. > > Sat Nam, > > Gururattan Kaur > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2000 Report Share Posted March 12, 2000 Lola, I am beginning to agree with you on leaving, I thought this was about KY and not drugs. This sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2000 Report Share Posted March 12, 2000 So change the Subject How about Sadhana?? Do you have a daily discipline of doing your Yoga Practice? Have you been doing it long? How has it changed your life or lifestyle? John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2000 Report Share Posted March 12, 2000 Oh darn, I forgot to include in the other post this little snippet of information. Regarding the quote, "I've been following this thread and I have to say I am amazed at the tolerance for use of drugs in conjunction with the practice of yoga being posted." It is to the credit of this group that there has been this tolerance forwarded. I would even go one step further and echo the voice of Vivekanada and say, "not merely tolerance, but acceptance". For tolerance only says that you are able to be in the room with someone (or chat room, or onelist) but still harbor ill intentions or ill feelings toward a person. But, true acceptance is one of genuine love for a person of differing opinions or ideas. Bravo, to this group, you are truely a break in the wall of ingnorance of the common world. One in which love shows its face in the midst of incredible odds. Smile and know you are God, Adam ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2000 Report Share Posted March 13, 2000 Hi to All I think that this thread has been exhausted. There seem to be three opinions here - those for, those against, and those who are just fed up reading about it! To reiterate the teachings of Yogi Bhajan, as expressed here by Gururattan several days ago, if you do Kundalini yoga then don't do drugs. KY opens our energy so powerfully that any drugs can be harmful. Yogi Bhajan has given us KY so we can get high naturally. It does take longer but it lasts longer too. And there are no downers. I don't want to see any more postings on this subject. (Thank you for your comment, Gary - I think that most of our rs would agree). Sat Nam! Gordon > Gary Giamboi <ggiamboi > > Hi All, > As you can tell, I am not in favor of drug use; but , there is so much good stuff on this list that I can > not believe you would let a momentary thread disillusion you so much. > If you chose to leave the wheat because of the chaff, you may not have enough to eat. > Peace, > Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2000 Report Share Posted March 13, 2000 Don't worrie I am already gone. I just sent my confirmation. This is rediculous, move on. I can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2000 Report Share Posted March 13, 2000 Hi All, Maybe people just need to talk about it.... Drug use does exist, Soon people will talk about something else... Dont worry Lola and alfred.... I am sure the subject will change soon.... People need to talk,without judgement...thats all.. Lots and lots of love to you....All Natalie >Gary Giamboi <ggiamboi >Kundaliniyoga >Kundaliniyoga >Re: YK OR Drugs >Sat, 11 Mar 2000 19:27:56 -0500 > >Hi All, > As you can tell, I am not in favor of drug use; but , there is so much >good stuff on this list that I can >not believe you would let a momentary thread disillusion you so much. > If you chose to leave the wheat because of the chaff, you may not have >enough to eat. > Peace, > Gary > >Alfred687 wrote: > > > Alfred687 > > > > Lola, I am beginning to agree with you on leaving, I thought this was >about > > KY and not drugs. This sucks. > > > > ------ > > PERFORM CPR ON YOUR APR! > > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > > Apply NOW! > > http://click./1/2121/1/_/505222/_/952905893/ > > ------ > > > > "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY" > > - Yogi Bhajan > > > > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from this list at the ONElist Member Center (My >ONElist), or send mail to > > Kundaliniyoga- > > NO UNSUBSCRIBE REQUESTS TO THE LIST PLEASE! > > WEB SITE: kundalini yoga > > > > KUNDALINI YOGA ON-LINE TRAINING. Details from > > kundalini yogaclasses.html > > > > Sponsored by YOGA TECHNOLOGY - Popular publishers since 1988 of books on >Kundalini Yoga and Meditation. > > > ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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