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--- Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 wrote:

 

>

> Anyone here familiar with Hindu Iconography as it

> concerns multiple heads?

>

> Some Hindu deities are polycephalic (having multiple

> heads, like Brahma). Others are theriocephalic

> (humans with animal heads, like the popular

> portrayals

> of Varahi). But some are BOTH animal headed, and

> multiple headed.

>

> I've become fascinated with Heramba Ganapati, a form

> of Lord Ganesha with five elephant heads. Now,

> there

> are several forms of five-headed Ganeshas. Hinduism

> Today's late founder, Sivaya Sumbramunyaswami,

> attempted to popularize a Christmas holiday

> alternative, worshipping a five-headed Ganesha

> ("Panchaganapati") over five days in late December,

> and each head had a color association (yellow, blue,

> red, green, and orange).

>

> Heramba not only has five heads, he rides on a lion

> (instead of the usual mouse). A book I have gives

> colors and numbers to the heads, but I am puzzled.

>

> The first elephant head is described as "the color

> of

> pearls." I'm assuming the first head is central,

> let's say facing East. Heramba's body is usually

> shown as white, so this makes sense (first, central

> head should match the body, right?).

>

> The second head is "the color of lightning," and the

> commentary specifies "yellow." Would the second

> head

> be to the right, i.e., facing South?

>

> The third head is "the color of a storm cloud," and

> the commentary specifies "dark blue." Would the

> third

> head continue clockwise around the compass, and be

> situated facing West? Or would it be on the left of

> the main head, and facing North?

>

> The fourth head is described as "the color of milk."

>

> Milk is as white as pearls are. Are two heads the

> same color? If the fourth head is North-facing, are

> two adjacent heads (first and fourth) likely to be

> the

> same color? (Which is why I suspect blue faces

> North

> and milky faces West...) Milk is perhaps OFF-white.

>

> If there's lots of butter in the milk, it would be

> pale yellow. If it's starting to go sour, it might

> be

> pale green! Off-white is most likely a pale grey,

> or

> maybe a bone, beige type of color.

>

> The fifth head (usually shown above the four, in a

> higher tier) is called "the color of turmeric."

> Turmeric is a yellow spice, more yellow than

> lightning! I suspect you could define turmeric as

> slightly orangy, so is the fifth head orange?

>

> Some sources state that Heramba is dark green in

> complexion, in which case none of the heads match!

>

> I know of two other deities who have fivefold heads.

>

> Sada-Shiva usually has five heads, as the Devi

> Gayatri

> also has five heads of different colors. What

> colors

> do they present, and what does five faces MEAN,

> anyway? Master of the five elements? Links to the

> five-fingered hand? The five syllables of Shiva's

> mantra? Or something else entirely?

>

> Years ago, I saw for sale a huge Heramba murthi,

> over

> three feet tall, with all five faces equally spaced

> on

> the same level. Seen from above, the elephant

> trunks

> formed a five-pointed star, which pleased me as a

> Wiccan. The pentagram is also a yantra for

> Sada-Shiva. I am tempted to try to draw a pentagram

> with five elephant faces.

>

> -- Len/ Kalipadma

>

 

 

 

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<kalipadma108 > wrote:

--- Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 > wrote:> > Anyone here familiar with

Hindu Iconography as it> concerns multiple heads?> > Some Hindu deities are

polycephalic (having multiple> heads, like Brahma). Others are theriocephalic>

(humans with animal heads, like the popular> portrayals> of Varahi). But some

are BOTH animal headed, and> multiple headed.> > I've become fascinated with

Heramba Ganapati, a form> of Lord Ganesha with five elephant heads. Now,>

there> are several forms of five-headed Ganeshas. Hinduism> Today's late

founder, Sivaya Sumbramunyaswami,> attempted to popularize a Christmas holiday>

alternative, worshipping a five-headed Ganesha> ("Panchaganapati") over five

days in late

December,> and each head had a color association (yellow, blue,> red, green, and

orange).> > Heramba not only has five heads, he rides on a lion> (instead of the

usual mouse). A book I have gives> colors and numbers to the heads, but I am

puzzled.> > The first elephant head is described as "the color> of> pearls."

I'm assuming the first head is central,> let's say facing East. Heramba's body

is usually> shown as white, so this makes sense (first, central> head should

match the body, right?).> > The second head is "the color of lightning," and

the> commentary specifies "yellow." Would the second> head> be to the right,

i.e., facing South?> > The third head is "the color of a storm cloud," and> the

commentary specifies "dark blue." Would the> third> head continue clockwise

around the compass, and

be> situated facing West? Or would it be on the left of> the main head, and

facing North?> > The fourth head is described as "the color of milk."> > Milk

is as white as pearls are. Are two heads the> same color? If the fourth head

is North-facing, are> two adjacent heads (first and fourth) likely to be> the>

same color? (Which is why I suspect blue faces> North> and milky faces

West...) Milk is perhaps OFF-white.> > If there's lots of butter in the milk,

it would be> pale yellow. If it's starting to go sour, it might> be> pale

green! Off-white is most likely a pale grey,> or> maybe a bone, beige type of

color.> > The fifth head (usually shown above the four, in a> higher tier) is

called "the color of turmeric." > Turmeric is a yellow spice, more yellow than>

lightning! I

suspect you could define turmeric as> slightly orangy, so is the fifth head

orange?> > Some sources state that Heramba is dark green in> complexion, in

which case none of the heads match!> > I know of two other deities who have

fivefold heads.> > Sada-Shiva usually has five heads, as the Devi> Gayatri>

also has five heads of different colors. What> colors> do they present, and

what does five faces MEAN,> anyway? Master of the five elements? Links to

the> five-fingered hand? The five syllables of Shiva's> mantra? Or something

else entirely?> > Years ago, I saw for sale a huge Heramba murthi,> over> three

feet tall, with all five faces equally spaced> on> the same level. Seen from

above, the elephant> trunks> formed a five-pointed star, which pleased me as a>

Wiccan. The

pentagram is also a yantra for> Sada-Shiva. I am tempted to try to draw a

pentagram> with five elephant faces. > > -- Len/ Kalipadma>

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Lol..... Lenji, my head spun around several times and did some

double takes after reading your message :) No I'm not confused by

the post but rather at myself for not being able to remember

regarding the colors you mentioned. Very amazed at your description

of the Heramba Whose heads resembled a pentagram when you looked

from below. Gob-smacked and wish I can get to see it too one day.

Ya didn't take a photo by any chance? I know, silly of me to ask

the obvious :(

 

 

, Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108>

wrote:

>

>

> --- Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108> wrote:

>

> >

> > Anyone here familiar with Hindu Iconography as it

> > concerns multiple heads?

> >

> > Some Hindu deities are polycephalic (having multiple

> > heads, like Brahma). Others are theriocephalic

> > (humans with animal heads, like the popular

> > portrayals

> > of Varahi). But some are BOTH animal headed, and

> > multiple headed.

>

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--- Aum Ganesh <aumganesh wrote:

 

> Lol..... Lenji, my head spun around several times

> and did some

> double takes after reading your message :) No I'm

> not confused by

> the post but rather at myself for not being able to

> remember

> regarding the colors you mentioned.

 

It just seems strange to me that multiple heads would

have the same colors repeated. (And I seem to

remember seeing a Thangka painting of Heramba, with

five different colored heads.) But then, there's some

disagreement as the color of his BODY, too! Usually

white, sometimes dark green, one source says he's

blue-black! This iconography stuff is an inexact

science...

 

 

> Very amazed at your description

> of the Heramba Whose heads resembled a pentagram

> when you looked from below.

 

Well, actually, when looked at from ABOVE... I'm

trying to imagine what the store owner would think, to

find me lying on the floor with my head in Heramba's

lap, gazing UP at his multiple heads! (That's the

statue's multiple heads, not the proprietor's... You

KNOW what I mean!)

 

 

> Gob-smacked and wish I can get to see it

> too one day.

> Ya didn't take a photo by any chance? I know, silly

> of me to ask

> the obvious :(

>

 

This was SO long ago, easily-portable cameras were NOT

widely available yet.

 

-- Len/ Kalipadma

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Janus, the Roman god of beginnings was shown as both two-headed and four headed.

Sorry, not Hindu though, but multi-headed.

 

Barbara

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Saturday, June 18, 2005 9:26 AM

Fwd: Head Trips

--- Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 > wrote:> > Anyone here familiar with

Hindu Iconography as it> concerns multiple heads?> > Some Hindu deities are

polycephalic (having multiple> heads, like Brahma). Others are theriocephalic>

(humans with animal heads, like the popular> portrayals> of Varahi). But some

are BOTH animal headed, and> multiple headed.> > I've become fascinated with

Heramba Ganapati, a form> of Lord Ganesha with five elephant heads. Now,>

there> are several forms of five-headed Ganeshas. Hinduism> Today's late

founder, Sivaya Sumbramunyaswami,> attempted to popularize a Christmas holiday>

alternative, worshipping a five-headed Ganesha> ("Panchaganapati") over five

days in late December,> and each head had a color association (yellow, blue,>

red, green, and orange).> > Heramba not only has five heads, he rides on a

lion> (instead of the usual mouse). A book I have gives> colors and numbers to

the heads, but I am puzzled.> > The first elephant head is described as "the

color> of> pearls." I'm assuming the first head is central,> let's say facing

East. Heramba's body is usually> shown as white, so this makes sense (first,

central> head should match the body, right?).> > The second head is "the color

of lightning," and the> commentary specifies "yellow." Would the second> head>

be to the right, i.e., facing South?> > The third head is "the color of a storm

cloud," and> the commentary specifies "dark blue." Would the> third> head

continue clockwise around the compass, and be> situated facing West? Or would

it be on the left of> the main head, and facing North?> > The fourth head is

described as "the color of milk."> > Milk is as white as pearls are. Are two

heads the> same color? If the fourth head is North-facing, are> two adjacent

heads (first and fourth) likely to be> the> same color? (Which is why I

suspect blue faces> North> and milky faces West...) Milk is perhaps

OFF-white.> > If there's lots of butter in the milk, it would be> pale yellow.

If it's starting to go sour, it might> be> pale green! Off-white is most likely

a pale grey,> or> maybe a bone, beige type of color.> > The fifth head (usually

shown above the four, in a> higher tier) is called "the color of turmeric." >

Turmeric is a yellow spice, more yellow than> lightning! I suspect you could

define turmeric as> slightly orangy, so is the fifth head orange?> > Some

sources state that Heramba is dark green in> complexion, in which case none of

the heads match!> > I know of two other deities who have fivefold heads.> >

Sada-Shiva usually has five heads, as the Devi> Gayatri> also has five heads of

different colors. What> colors> do they present, and what does five faces

MEAN,> anyway? Master of the five elements? Links to the> five-fingered hand?

The five syllables of Shiva's> mantra? Or something else entirely?> > Years

ago, I saw for sale a huge Heramba murthi,> over> three feet tall, with all

five faces equally spaced> on> the same level. Seen from above, the elephant>

trunks> formed a five-pointed star, which pleased me as a> Wiccan. The

pentagram is also a yantra for> Sada-Shiva. I am tempted to try to draw a

pentagram> with five elephant faces. > > -- Len/ Kalipadma>

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Thank you, Barbara. There are scholars who argue that

Janus is somehow related to Ganesha -- they are both

liminal deities, associated with doorways, new

beginnings, between the worlds places, etc.

 

There is a two-headed form of Ganesha, called Dvimukha

Ganapati. Usually two elephant heads, but on rare

occasions shown with an elephant head looking in one

direction, and a human head looking in the other!

 

Dvimukha Ganapati is green complexioned, and often

invoked to remove obstacles from "doubling" one's

income.

 

-- Len/ Kalipadma

 

 

 

--- "Barbara J. Spencer" <barbjs wrote:

 

> Janus, the Roman god of beginnings was shown as both

> two-headed and four headed. Sorry, not Hindu though,

> but multi-headed.

>

> Barbara

> -

>

> > Anyone here familiar with Hindu Iconography as

> it

> > concerns multiple heads?

>

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Len. Perhaps the Romans were using the form of Ganesh before He received His

elephant's head. Thank you for the information on Ganesh. Barbara

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Monday, June 20, 2005 10:04 AM

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Thank you, Barbara. There are scholars who argue thatJanus is somehow related

to Ganesha -- they are bothliminal deities, associated with doorways,

newbeginnings, between the worlds places, etc.There is a two-headed form of

Ganesha, called DvimukhaGanapati. Usually two elephant heads, but on

rareoccasions shown with an elephant head looking in onedirection, and a human

head looking in the other!Dvimukha Ganapati is green complexioned, and

ofteninvoked to remove obstacles from "doubling" one'sincome.-- Len/

Kalipadma--- "Barbara J. Spencer" <barbjs (AT) shaw (DOT) ca> wrote:> Janus, the Roman god

of beginnings was shown as both> two-headed and four headed. Sorry, not Hindu

though,> but multi-headed.> > Barbara> - > > >

Anyone here familiar with Hindu Iconography as> it> > concerns multiple

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