Various Rare Ganesh Statue's

[Guest guest]

Namaste Sri Neilji and Beloved Friends,

 

Very well put Sri Neilji; thank you for sharing your insights.

Absolutely agree that all Forms of Lord Ganapati are welcome here

and appreciate especially the part about Non-Dualism.

 

The pics uploaded by Brother George are of some of the most ancient

and rare sculptures dating back to hundreds, if not thousands of

years. Some are classified as antiques. They come from different

parts of the world.

 

The sculptures are also somewhat like historical proof that Lord

Ganesha was indeed also worshipped during ancient times in places

such as Cambodia, China, Japan and other parts of the world outside

India.

 

As Lord Gahesha (may I dare say), originated from India, it would be

a good guess that Indians took His Murtis to other parts of the

world whose peoples also embraced Him and hence the result of these

sculptures, whether Tantric, embracing His Shakti or otherwise, the

Female Aspect of Lord Ganesha worshipped in Japan, etc. It is great

that these historical pieces were preserved so that we in modern

times, are able to see them. It is thus a kind of "legacy" from

Lord Ganapati and His worshippers who passed before us.

 

Yo.... Rajatyboy!! and Brother Len, any thoughts?

 

Ganesha Sharanam

Simone

 

 

, "Neil " <Trikashaivism@o...> wrote:

> Namaste Amit,

>

> Thank you for your response.

>

> >We Hindus>

>

> How can you say we Hindus? You are making a very large

generalisation

> here which contradicts the point I made earlier. Within the folds

of

> Hinduism are many, many different perceptions and understandings,

which

> is part of its wonderful glory, but I don't think generalisations

can

> speak for all schools on this topic. Hence my earlier point about

> Tantric traditions.

>

> >dont require any form of Lord Ganesha to

> depict what he is ..we know what he is and that he is

> the One who creates n who destroys... so every form of

> Shakti is not required to be shown is such forms... >

>

> If you have no need for such murtis then why begrudge somebody

else who

> needs them to raise their understanding and degree of experience?

[Guest guest]

Tantra is an ancient tradition in the East. Its

symbolism often takes the form of sexual coupling.

 

I am not offended by the images of Ganesha making love

to his Shakti.

 

On the other hand, I am aware that in South India,

Ganesha is considered to be "brahmacharya," having

taken a vow of celibacy. My first religious

experience of Ganesha was in a South Indian-style

temple (in New York's Flushing area of Queens). And I

think I'm more comfortable with a Ganesha who dearly

loves women, but stops short at MAKING love to them.

 

At least, that's how I feel today.

 

But there's room for all sorts of versions and

perceptions of Ganesha. As the priest in the Flushing

Temple said to me, "Ganesha is a confirmed bachelor.

Yes, I know they say he is married in Northern India

-- aren't they silly?"

 

-- Len/ Kalipadma

 

 

--- Neil <Trikashaivism wrote:

 

> >I understand people from West are very much

> attracted towards studying Hinduism... but rather

> learning the culture of original Hinduism.. they try

> to press upon their own logic and thinking about

> Hindus...>

>

> Again, big generalisations about what constitutes

> being a Hindu. I'm

> also not sure what you mean by original Hinduism, so

> I cannot respond to

> this. A rhetorical question for your sir, am I not

> Hindu because I have

> took birth in the west? Being Hindu, Christian,

> Muslim, whatever faith,

> is not really about embracing the religious culture,

> but rather seeking

> to experience the heart of the religious teaching -

> which is beyond all

> forms, names, etc. Within Hinduism probably more

> than any other religion

> (IMHO) this point is explained and elucidation upon.

> The "real" Hindu I

> would say is the one who has the esoteric

> experience, the inner life, no

> the exoteric experience and the outer life. The

> difference is like

> diving to the depths of the ocean, instead of

> splashing on the surface.

>

>

> >Lord Ganesha is the supremo.. and he just needs to

> be worshipped through your heart and from your

> mind...>

>

> I agree that Bhagavan Ganesh just has to be

> worshipped through heart and

> mind, and I would add to this that this includes

> casting out simplistic

> dualistic notions about sex and the symbolism

> surrounding it, and the

> reactions this causes within oneself. To me the

> worst thing within this

> thread is not an image showing Ganesh in union with

> Shakti, but the

> reaction (not a response) to it.

>

> Although we do not see eye to eye on this matter

> Amit, I honestly have

> appreciated your mails and the

> questions/matters/issues that have arose

> in them. So I hope that none of the above is

> perceived/read to be

> hostile, for none of it is intended to be this way.

> I just wished to

> make this clear because to often in these groups

> tempers rage and ego

> rampage, and I for one have no interest in heated

> debate and arguments,

> but intelligent and friendly discussion is more than

> welcome. Adding to

> this it would be good to hear others thoughts on

> this matter.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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