Guest guest Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 Dear Bro's and Sisters Pse check out the photo section under george pillai view the various ganesh statue's. Many may have not seen. Yours George pillai Om Gang ganapatheye namah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 Namaste George, Many thanks for uploading these. Interesting indeed! I haven't seen much like these before. Where did you find these? Here is a quick link for anyone interested - lst?.dir=/George+Pillai&.s rc=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//briefcase./ Cheers George! Om Shanti Neil www.shivabeads.co.uk [] On Behalf Of pillai_george 16 June 2005 05:32 Various Rare Ganesh Statue's Dear Bro's and Sisters Pse check out the photo section under george pillai view the various ganesh statue's. Many may have not seen. Yours George pillai Om Gang ganapatheye namah http://www.geocities.com/aumganesh/ Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 Hello Pillai, Even though you all are admiring the rare statues of Lord Ganesha, I would insist u to please remove the photographs from the album as I being a hindu feel an insult to see my God in such posture... Where did you get those images from and where are such statues available.. I dont think any Hindu sculpture wud create such kind of statue... If u want to show your art of sex.. so in some other forms not using images of our Gods... I dont think any of our ancient sculptures who have created Ajanta Ellora ever used Gods having sex .... Regards, Amit --- Neil <Trikashaivism wrote: > Namaste George, > > Many thanks for uploading these. Interesting indeed! > I haven't seen much > like these before. Where did you find these? > > Here is a quick link for anyone interested - > lst?.dir=/George+Pillai&.s > rc=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//briefcase./ > > Cheers George! > > > Om Shanti > Neil > > > www.shivabeads.co.uk > > > > > [] On > Behalf Of pillai_george > 16 June 2005 05:32 > > Various Rare Ganesh Statue's > > Dear Bro's and Sisters > > > Pse check out the photo section under george pillai > view the various > ganesh statue's. > > Many may have not seen. > > Yours > George pillai > Om Gang ganapatheye namah > > > > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/aumganesh/ > Links > > > > > > > > Discover Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover./mobile.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 On 6/16/05, amit padhye <amitpadhye > wrote: Hello Pillai, Even though you all are admiring the rare statuesof Lord Ganesha, I would insist u to please remove the photographs from the album as I being a hindu feel aninsult to see my God in such posture... Where did you get those images from and where aresuch statues available.. I dont think any Hindusculpture wud create such kind of statue... If u want to show your art of sex.. so in some other forms notusing images of our Gods... I dont think any of ourancient sculptures who have created Ajanta Ellora everused Gods having sex ....Regards,Amit --- Neil <Trikashaivism (AT) onetel (DOT) com> wrote: > Namaste George,> > Many thanks for uploading these. Interesting indeed!> I haven't seen much> like these before. Where did you find these? > > Here is a quick link for anyone interested - >lst?.dir=/George+Pillai&.s >rc=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//briefcase./> > Cheers George!> > > Om Shanti> Neil > > > www.shivabeads.co.uk> > > > > [] On> Behalf Of pillai_george> 16 June 2005 05:32 > > Various Rare Ganesh Statue's> > Dear Bro's and Sisters> > > Pse check out the photo section under george pillai> view the various > ganesh statue's.> > Many may have not seen.> > Yours > George pillai> Om Gang ganapatheye namah> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/aumganesh/ > Links> > > > > > > > Discover Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover./mobile.html http://www.geocities.com/aumganesh// To from this group, send an email to: -- Saravanan N.CAD Executive,Adroitec Information Systems Limited,(Formarly HOPE Technologies Limited)Bangalore.www.adroitecinfo.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 Namaste Amit & all, Please do not take offence to such images, there is no insult meant in such images. Ganesh is very much a Tantric deity and traditional Tantra takes many roads and can embrace acts and symbolism that should not be taken on a literal or superficial level. Sex is used in many ways within the wide variety of Hindu traditions, and here is it presented as a symbolic metaphor to show that Lord Ganesh is One with Shakti, for he is the Lord of the shaktis. The statue actually looks very similar to the common Yab Yum statue, especially since the statue has a Tibetan flavour to it As it states on the Om Ganesh front page all forms of Ganesh are welcome here, and this includes forms that fall outwith the narrower perception of common understanding and Smarta interpretation. Om Shanti Neil [] On Behalf Of amit padhye 16 June 2005 08:10 RE: Various Rare Ganesh Statue's Hello Pillai, Even though you all are admiring the rare statues of Lord Ganesha, I would insist u to please remove the photographs from the album as I being a hindu feel an insult to see my God in such posture... Where did you get those images from and where are such statues available.. I dont think any Hindu sculpture wud create such kind of statue... If u want to show your art of sex.. so in some other forms not using images of our Gods... I dont think any of our ancient sculptures who have created Ajanta Ellora ever used Gods having sex .... Regards, Amit --- Neil <Trikashaivism wrote: > Namaste George, > > Many thanks for uploading these. Interesting indeed! > I haven't seen much > like these before. Where did you find these? > > Here is a quick link for anyone interested - > lst?.dir=/George+Pillai&.s > rc=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//briefcase./ > > Cheers George! > > > Om Shanti > Neil > > > www.shivabeads.co.uk > > > > [] On > Behalf Of pillai_george > 16 June 2005 05:32 > > Various Rare Ganesh Statue's > > Dear Bro's and Sisters > > > Pse check out the photo section under george pillai > view the various > ganesh statue's. > > Many may have not seen. > > Yours > George pillai > Om Gang ganapatheye namah > > > > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/aumganesh/ > Links > > > > > > > > Discover Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover./mobile.html http://www.geocities.com/aumganesh/ Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 Dear Amit, I must agree with you. Sometimes these statues or pictures depicting Hindu Gods go overboard in trying to portray liberalism. This is pure rubbish and insults the very Gods you worship. Do not at any time equate man same as Gods. A drop of water and the water in the ocean may be the same qualitatively but quantitatively they are very very very far different. Man cannot think that the Gods act the same way as man. This is stupid logic and reasoning. Please do not propagate the wrong concept of Sanathana Dharma ( Hinduism) Thank you. S.Vengadesan Naiker.amit padhye <amitpadhye > wrote: Hello Pillai, Even though you all are admiring the rare statuesof Lord Ganesha, I would insist u to please remove thephotographs from the album as I being a hindu feel aninsult to see my God in such posture... Where did you get those images from and where aresuch statues available.. I dont think any Hindusculpture wud create such kind of statue... If u wantto show your art of sex.. so in some other forms notusing images of our Gods... I dont think any of ourancient sculptures who have created Ajanta Ellora everused Gods having sex ....Regards,Amit--- Neil <Trikashaivism (AT) onetel (DOT) com> wrote:> Namaste George,> > Many thanks for uploading these. Interesting indeed!> I haven't seen much> like these before. Where did you find these? > > Here is a quick link for anyone interested ->lst?.dir=/George+Pillai&.s>rc=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//briefcase./> > Cheers George!> > > Om Shanti> Neil > > > www.shivabeads.co.uk> > > > > [] On> Behalf Of pillai_george> 16 June 2005 05:32> > Various Rare Ganesh Statue's> > Dear Bro's and Sisters> > > Pse check out the photo section under george pillai> view the various > ganesh statue's.> > Many may have not seen.> > Yours> George pillai> Om Gang ganapatheye namah> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/aumganesh/ > Links> > > > > > > > Discover Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover./mobile.htmlhttp://www.geocities.com/aumganesh/ S. Vengadesan Naiker "> Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC ">calling worldwide with voicemail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 Dear Neil, We Hindus dont require any form of Lord Ganesha to depict what he is .. we know what he is and that he is the One who creates n who destroys... so every form of Shakti is not required to be shown is such forms... Tommorrow someone might create a murti of Lord Ganesha in form of Laden or Saddam or similar facets of human who are so called destroyers of today.. For such Murti u wud again say that its a depiction of destoying power which Lord Ganesha has... Please stop all this... We love seeing our supreme Lord in his original form whom we worship daily in our Mandirs... I understand people from West are very much attracted towards studying Hinduism... but rather learning the culture of original Hinduism.. they try to press upon their own logic and thinking about Hindus... Somedays back there was a news that an American company had put a picture of Lord Ganesha on slippers which they were selling... This is is untolerable... I request you to please stop such things... Lord Ganesha is the supremo.. and he just needs to be worshipped through your heart and from your mind... Regards, Amit --- Neil <Trikashaivism wrote: > Namaste Amit & all, > > Please do not take offence to such images, there is > no insult meant in > such images. Ganesh is very much a Tantric deity and > traditional Tantra > takes many roads and can embrace acts and symbolism > that should not be > taken on a literal or superficial level. Sex is used > in many ways within > the wide variety of Hindu traditions, and here is it > presented as a > symbolic metaphor to show that Lord Ganesh is One > with Shakti, for he is > the Lord of the shaktis. The statue actually looks > very similar to the > common Yab Yum statue, especially since the statue > has a Tibetan flavour > to it > > As it states on the Om Ganesh front page all forms > of Ganesh are welcome > here, and this includes forms that fall outwith the > narrower perception > of common understanding and Smarta interpretation. > > > Om Shanti > Neil > > > > > > [] On > Behalf Of amit padhye > 16 June 2005 08:10 > > RE: Various Rare Ganesh Statue's > > > Hello Pillai, > > Even though you all are admiring the rare statues > of Lord Ganesha, I would insist u to please remove > the photographs from > the album as I being a hindu feel an insult to see > my God in such > posture... > > Where did you get those images from and where are > such statues available.. I dont think any Hindu > sculpture wud create such kind of statue... If u > want > to show your art of sex.. so in some other forms not > using images of our Gods... I dont think any of our > ancient sculptures who have created Ajanta Ellora > ever > used Gods having sex .... > > Regards, > Amit > > --- Neil <Trikashaivism wrote: > > > Namaste George, > > > > Many thanks for uploading these. Interesting > indeed! > > I haven't seen much > > like these before. Where did you find these? > > > > Here is a quick link for anyone interested - > > > lst?.dir=/George+Pillai&.s > > > rc=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//briefcase./ > > > > Cheers George! > > > > > > Om Shanti > > Neil > > > > > > www.shivabeads.co.uk > > > > > > > > > [] On > > Behalf Of pillai_george > > 16 June 2005 05:32 > > > > Various Rare Ganesh Statue's > > > > Dear Bro's and Sisters > > > > > > Pse check out the photo section under george > pillai > > view the various > > ganesh statue's. > > > > Many may have not seen. > > > > Yours > > George pillai > > Om Gang ganapatheye namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/aumganesh/ > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Discover > Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and > more. Check it out! > http://discover./mobile.html > > > http://www.geocities.com/aumganesh/ > Links > > > > > > > > __ Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 Namaste Amit, Thank you for your response. >We Hindus> How can you say we Hindus? You are making a very large generalisation here which contradicts the point I made earlier. Within the folds of Hinduism are many, many different perceptions and understandings, which is part of its wonderful glory, but I don't think generalisations can speak for all schools on this topic. Hence my earlier point about Tantric traditions. >dont require any form of Lord Ganesha to depict what he is ..we know what he is and that he is the One who creates n who destroys... so every form of Shakti is not required to be shown is such forms... > If you have no need for such murtis then why begrudge somebody else who needs them to raise their understanding and degree of experience? >Tommorrow someone might create a murti of Lord Ganesha in form of Laden or Saddam or similar facets of human who are so called destroyers of today.. For such Murti u wud again say that its a depiction of destoying power which Lord Ganesha has... Please stop all this...> Please, you are verging on the ridiculous here. >We love seeing our supreme Lord in his original form whom we worship daily in our Mandirs...> Very good! : ) You are extremely fortunate to be able to have such a daily experience whenever you wish it. Many people are not as blessed as you are. I for one have not such luxury, but I intend/wish to build a very small public Ganesh shrine/temple in several years time. When you say original form, what exactly is meant by this and how can you qualify such a statement? >I understand people from West are very much attracted towards studying Hinduism... but rather learning the culture of original Hinduism.. they try to press upon their own logic and thinking about Hindus...> Again, big generalisations about what constitutes being a Hindu. I'm also not sure what you mean by original Hinduism, so I cannot respond to this. A rhetorical question for your sir, am I not Hindu because I have took birth in the west? Being Hindu, Christian, Muslim, whatever faith, is not really about embracing the religious culture, but rather seeking to experience the heart of the religious teaching - which is beyond all forms, names, etc. Within Hinduism probably more than any other religion (IMHO) this point is explained and elucidation upon. The "real" Hindu I would say is the one who has the esoteric experience, the inner life, no the exoteric experience and the outer life. The difference is like diving to the depths of the ocean, instead of splashing on the surface. >Somedays back there was a news that an American company had put a picture of Lord Ganesha on slippers which they were selling... This is is untolerable...> I would say it is and it isn't, it depends on the perspective and intent. Speaking generally It is a sign of either great disrespect or ignorance to place your feet on the Lord, the majority of people would not disagree with this. However, I recall reading a tale (I'm afraid I can't recall where, wish I did I would like to read it again) about a sage who was sitting in a temple with his feet resting upon the Shiv Lingam. When somebody came in and found him sitting there they were appalled and demanded that they remove their feet. To which the sage responded "where can I put my feet that they will not rest upon Shiva?" (or words to that effect) The point being to see past the dualistic of forms and notions of right and wrong, this is a higher worship. >I request you to please stop such things...> Your request is genuinely noted. >Lord Ganesha is the supremo.. and he just needs to be worshipped through your heart and from your mind...> I agree that Bhagavan Ganesh just has to be worshipped through heart and mind, and I would add to this that this includes casting out simplistic dualistic notions about sex and the symbolism surrounding it, and the reactions this causes within oneself. To me the worst thing within this thread is not an image showing Ganesh in union with Shakti, but the reaction (not a response) to it. Although we do not see eye to eye on this matter Amit, I honestly have appreciated your mails and the questions/matters/issues that have arose in them. So I hope that none of the above is perceived/read to be hostile, for none of it is intended to be this way. I just wished to make this clear because to often in these groups tempers rage and ego rampage, and I for one have no interest in heated debate and arguments, but intelligent and friendly discussion is more than welcome. Adding to this it would be good to hear others thoughts on this matter. Wishing you well, Om Shanti Neil --- Neil <Trikashaivism wrote: > Namaste Amit & all, > > Please do not take offence to such images, there is > no insult meant in > such images. Ganesh is very much a Tantric deity and traditional > Tantra takes many roads and can embrace acts and symbolism > that should not be > taken on a literal or superficial level. Sex is used > in many ways within > the wide variety of Hindu traditions, and here is it > presented as a > symbolic metaphor to show that Lord Ganesh is One > with Shakti, for he is > the Lord of the shaktis. The statue actually looks > very similar to the > common Yab Yum statue, especially since the statue > has a Tibetan flavour > to it > > As it states on the Om Ganesh front page all forms > of Ganesh are welcome > here, and this includes forms that fall outwith the > narrower perception > of common understanding and Smarta interpretation. > > > Om Shanti > Neil > > > > > [] On > Behalf Of amit padhye > 16 June 2005 08:10 > > RE: Various Rare Ganesh Statue's > > > Hello Pillai, > > Even though you all are admiring the rare statues > of Lord Ganesha, I would insist u to please remove > the photographs from > the album as I being a hindu feel an insult to see > my God in such > posture... > > Where did you get those images from and where are > such statues available.. I dont think any Hindu > sculpture wud create such kind of statue... If u > want > to show your art of sex.. so in some other forms not > using images of our Gods... I dont think any of our > ancient sculptures who have created Ajanta Ellora > ever > used Gods having sex .... > > Regards, > Amit > > --- Neil <Trikashaivism wrote: > > > Namaste George, > > > > Many thanks for uploading these. Interesting > indeed! > > I haven't seen much > > like these before. Where did you find these? > > > > Here is a quick link for anyone interested - > > > lst?.dir=/George+Pillai&.s > > > rc=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//briefcase./ > > > > Cheers George! > > > > > > Om Shanti > > Neil > > > > > > www.shivabeads.co.uk > > > > > > > > > [] On > > Behalf Of pillai_george > > 16 June 2005 05:32 > > > > Various Rare Ganesh Statue's > > > > Dear Bro's and Sisters > > > > > > Pse check out the photo section under george > pillai > > view the various > > ganesh statue's. > > > > Many may have not seen. > > > > Yours > > George pillai > > Om Gang ganapatheye namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/aumganesh/ > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Discover > Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and > more. Check it out! > http://discover./mobile.html > > > http://www.geocities.com/aumganesh/ > Links > > > > > > > > __ Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports. http://www.geocities.com/aumganesh/ Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.