Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 Dear Simoneji and Friends Hari Om! Can some body recommend a good web site for Shirdi Sai Baba like this group. Where can I get a good photo of Sai Baba and also wouldlike some ashes from Shirdi. Om Shree Ganeshai Namah! Vandana _________ ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 All of these web sites are good, but the last one is the best. I don't know where to get ashes except at Shirdi. http://www.shrisaibabasansthan.org/index1.asp http://www.saileelas.org/ http://www.saibabaofshirdi.net/ http://www.saibaba.org/ http://www.saidarbar.org/ On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:18:18 +0000 (GMT), Van Van <v992003 wrote: > > Dear Simoneji and Friends > > Hari Om! > > Can some body recommend a good web site for Shirdi Sai > Baba like this group. Where can I get a good photo of > Sai Baba and also wouldlike some ashes from Shirdi. > > Om Shree Ganeshai Namah! > > Vandana > > _________ > ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger. > > > http://www.geocities.com/aumganesh/ > Links > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 possesions contained clay objects resembling chillims. I then read a story in wich this was confirmed because in it he was smoking a chillim with a passer by. Im just curious, I know what i would smoke from a chillim but what do Indians smoke out of them? Om Shri Gajanana, JimHenry Beck <henrywb > wrote: All of these web sites are good, but the last one is the best. Idon't know where to get ashes except at Shirdi.http://www.shrisaibabasansthan.org/index1.asphttp://www.saileelas.org/http://www.saibabaofshirdi.net/http://www.saibaba.org/http://www.saidarbar.org/On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:18:18 +0000 (GMT), Van Van <v992003 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:> > Dear Simoneji and Friends> > Hari Om!> > Can some body recommend a good web site for Shirdi Sai> Baba like this group. Where can I get a good photo of> Sai Baba and also wouldlike some ashes from Shirdi.> > Om Shree Ganeshai Namah!> > Vandana> > _________> ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.> > > http://www.geocities.com/aumganesh/> Links> > > > >http://www.geocities.com/aumganesh/ Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 It is usually said that Baba's few possessions included a chillim and a pipe and that he enjoyed tobacco. On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 06:24:32 -0800 (PST), james richard <nhraddude71 wrote: > > Hi Hank, I checked out one of your Sai Baba web sites and noticed pictures > of his pearsonal > possesions contained clay objects resembling chillims. I then read a story > in wich this was confirmed because in it he was smoking a chillim with a > passer by. Im just curious, I know what i would smoke from a chillim but > what do Indians smoke out of them? > > > Om Shri Gajanana, Jim > > Henry Beck <henrywb wrote: > All of these web sites are good, but the last one is the best. I > don't know where to get ashes except at Shirdi. > > > http://www.shrisaibabasansthan.org/index1.asp > > http://www.saileelas.org/ > > http://www.saibabaofshirdi.net/ > > http://www.saibaba.org/ > > http://www.saidarbar.org/ > > > On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:18:18 +0000 (GMT), Van Van <v992003 > wrote: > > > > Dear Simoneji and Friends > > > > Hari Om! > > > > Can some body recommend a good web site for Shirdi Sai > > Baba like this group. Where can I get a good photo of > > Sai Baba and also wouldlike some ashes from Shirdi. > > > > Om Shree Ganeshai Namah! > > > > Vandana > > > > _________ > > ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! > http://uk.messenger. > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/aumganesh/ > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/aumganesh/ > > > > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/aumganesh/ > > > ________________________________ > Links > > > / > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 Forever seaking, JimHenry Beck <henrywb > wrote: It is usually said that Baba's few possessions included a chillim anda pipe and that he enjoyed tobacco.On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 06:24:32 -0800 (PST), james richard<nhraddude71 > wrote:> > Hi Hank, I checked out one of your Sai Baba web sites and noticed pictures> of his pearsonal > possesions contained clay objects resembling chillims. I then read a story> in wich this was confirmed because in it he was smoking a chillim with a> passer by. Im just curious, I know what i would smoke from a chillim but> what do Indians smoke out of them? > > > Om Shri Gajanana, Jim> > Henry Beck <henrywb > wrote: > All of these web sites are good, but the last one is the best. I> don't know where to get ashes except at Shirdi.> > > http://www.shrisaibabasansthan.org/index1.asp> > http://www.saileelas.org/> > http://www.saibabaofshirdi.net/> > http://www.saibaba.org/> > http://www.saidarbar.org/> > > On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:18:18 +0000 (GMT), Van Van <v992003 (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> wrote:> > > > Dear Simoneji and Friends> > > > Hari Om!> > > > Can some body recommend a good web site for Shirdi Sai> > Baba like this group. Where can I get a good photo of> > Sai Baba and also wouldlike some ashes from Shirdi.> > > > Om Shree Ganeshai Namah!> > > > Vandana> > > > _________> > ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun!> http://uk.messenger.> > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/aumganesh/> > Links> > > > > > > > > >> > > http://www.geocities.com/aumganesh/ > > > > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/aumganesh/ > > > ________________________________> Links> > To visit your group on the web, go to:> /> > To from this group, send an email to:> > > > >http://www.geocities.com/aumganesh/ Mail - You care about security. So do we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 Namaste James, Sorry I didn't respond to yr previous message but shall get round to it, eventually, i.e. when the marbles are clearer in me stooopid head.. Meanwhile, cannot help but chip in with a coupla dimes' worth: ---------------------------- Sai Baba of Shirdi indeed smoked tobacco according to many sources and references but....... what's there to say he could not have mixed tobacco with something else offered to him by devotees and others whom he helped? Some things are never written down of course....... Saints, High Adept Yogis and Sadhus are known to smoke chillums filled with stuff such as dried snake venom, hash,opium, poisonous herbs, etc. But due to their highly evolved spiritual abilities, their bodies were able to turn poisonous substances into remedies instead. In some cases, it is like: "We drink the drink; but we do not let the drink, drink us". Its also kinda like "Inner Alchemy".. when they use poison to counteract poison; i.e. after having absolved a devotee's karmas for example. Sai Baba of Shirdi is also referred to as a Lord Shiva Incarnate to some Shivaites. Like Sri Sri Ramakrishna who also embraced Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, etc. etc., H.H. Sai Baba of Shirdi did not see "Duality". Neither did Sri Ramakrishna. For them, God/Goddess is One and the Same, only with different names and in different forms. Its like Shiva is also Shakti; both are One and the Same; Non- duality. My lil pea brain ain't too good these days.. Am finding it hard to rack it for appropriate expression of what I'm trying to say but words fail me but hope you get the drift nevertheless. Perhaps Sri Neilji --- (if he has time) -- can elaborate further?? (Neilji often knows exactly what I mean even when I was using the wrong words. He reads my mind better than I can do myself ) In India, Fakirs who are Moslems also sometimes use Hindu mantras combined with Arabic variations. The same in Singapore and Malaysia where Muslims live in perfect harmony with fellow countryfolk of different religious backgrounds. Their respective "Medicine Men and Women" are usually called "Bomohs" but there are other terms for it too. In Singapore, on Bencoolen Street (pretty sure its the correct street), there are 2 temples. One is Hindu, the other is Buddhist. Buddhists would light incence outside the Hindu temple when they pass by. Hindus who walk past the Buddhist temple would do the same. I saw this with my own eyes 2 years ago Both temples have large censers outside the entrances. The Hindu temple didn't open for prayers until 5pm but the Buddhist temple was open all day. Can't remember the names of both temples right now though..... But I am quite sure the Hindu one is Shri Krishna Temple guarded at the entrance by a huge Lord Hanuman on one side and large Lord Garuda on the other side. Anyone from Singapore here? Maybe you can tell more or correct me? And no, have never heard of anyone being killed in the name of Lord Ganesha ) Jai Shree Ganeshaya Namah Simone , james richard <nhraddude71> wrote: > Hank, Thats such a lame dissapointment. Tobacco, yuck go figure. Ive owned a few fine hand blown glass chillims in my Dead head days and they sure wernt for smoking Tobacco. I also found it interesting that he lived in a mosque and spoke of Allah all the time but was also a Yogi who meditated . To me Islam and Hindu seem like night and day. Do I have my facts straight or did one of those sites give me some faulty information? Thats one of those hangups i got to get over. Being an American living within an hour of NYC Im not to fond of Islam at the moment. When I think of Islam I think of people that would like to see my head on a stick. I also think of the rathful jelious God of the old testament. I just dont see how he could speak of Allah but be the rencarnation of Ganesha. Has anyone ever been killed in the name of Ganesh? > > Forever seaking, Jim > > Henry Beck <henrywb@g...> wrote: > It is usually said that Baba's few possessions included a chillim and > a pipe and that he enjoyed tobacco. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Namaste Simoneji and friends, Apologies for the delay, have been a bit below par this last week. >Sai Baba of Shirdi is also referred to as a Lord Shiva Incarnate to some Shivaites. Like Sri Sri Ramakrishna who also embraced Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, etc. etc., H.H. Sai Baba of Shirdi did not see "Duality". Neither did Sri Ramakrishna. For them, God/Goddess is One and the Same, only with different names and in different forms. Its like Shiva is also Shakti; both are One and the Same; Non- duality. My lil pea brain ain't too good these days.. Am finding it hard to rack it for appropriate expression of what I'm trying to say but words fail me but hope you get the drift nevertheless. Perhaps Sri Neilji --- (if he has time) -- can elaborate further?? (Neilji often knows exactly what I mean even when I was using the wrong words. He reads my mind better than I can do myself )> I personally feel it is sign of wisdom when one can find the truths that one has learnt through one's one path and see it within another. Several notable saints of relatively recent times have did this publically, perhaps none more noted than Shirdi Sai Baba and Ramakrishna. But it is worth noting that Ramakrishna didn't practices other religions for what could be considered an extended duration. Shirdi Sai Baba on the other hand though basically lived in a Mosque and had just as many Moslem devotees as he did Hindu when he was physically incarnated. Today it would seem most are Hindu. Hindu-Moslem saints and holy figures seem to have a relatively strong presence in India, Kabir was another who was a mix of Hinduism and Islam. To a large extent Sikhism is a sound mix of elements of both religions and traditions such as Kashmir Shaivism have absorbed Sufi influences into their writings, particularly devotional poetry found in writers such as Lal Ded and Utpaladevacharya. However, I think I am rambling here! The point I wished to reiterate was that to one who has samavesha (same-sightedness), it matters little what religion or spiritual system they are following, for each being is non-different from theirself, all they can find is their own being. To them the world is a mirror in which they are wearing a million masks. All they see is their own being (Shiva) behind the form (Shakti). Baba Muktananda said "Shiva is neither Shaivite nor Vaishnava nor Buddhist. He is your Self. Shiva is neither Hindu nor Moslem nor Christian. He is the Self of all. Shiva is inner bliss. Shiva is boundless love." There is a poem by Hafiz, which I very much enjoy, that speaks well of this general point, of transcending religious boundaries through spiritual illumination: I have learned so much >From God That I can no longer Call myself, A Christian, A Hindu, A Muslim, A Buddhist, A Jew. The Truth has shared so much Of Itself with me That I can no longer call myself A man, a woman, an angel, Or even a pure soul. Love has befriended Hafiz so completely It has turned to ash and freed me Of every concept and image My mind has ever known. This last verse I suppouse would speak of the mental state of likes of Shirdi Sai Baba and Sri Ramakrishna. I hope this poem illustrates the point, and probably does so better than I could. Non-duality is something that has not really been explored too much within this group. It seems that the perception of Ganesh is often that based upon the holy Puranas, which are generally dualistic by nature. The perception of Ganesh I have noted within the group is more often than not very dualistic. Hindu texts, if we can categorise them neatly into division for simplicity, fall into three basic groups - dualistic, dualistic-come-monisitic, and non-dualistic. That is not to say that one is right and another is wrong, each has its place. For those who have put up with this long windy post - thank you! Om Shanti Neil P.S. Sri Neilji - who?! Simoneji, your humour is on par with your kindness! You can tell when the display of respect has gone too far when the honourifics add up to more letters than are in your name itself! LOL Simone [syzenith] 19 January 2005 12:41 Re: Sai Baba Namaste James, Sorry I didn't respond to yr previous message but shall get round to it, eventually, i.e. when the marbles are clearer in me stooopid head.. Meanwhile, cannot help but chip in with a coupla dimes' worth: ---------------------------- Sai Baba of Shirdi indeed smoked tobacco according to many sources and references but....... what's there to say he could not have mixed tobacco with something else offered to him by devotees and others whom he helped? Some things are never written down of course....... Saints, High Adept Yogis and Sadhus are known to smoke chillums filled with stuff such as dried snake venom, hash,opium, poisonous herbs, etc. But due to their highly evolved spiritual abilities, their bodies were able to turn poisonous substances into remedies instead. In some cases, it is like: "We drink the drink; but we do not let the drink, drink us". Its also kinda like "Inner Alchemy".. when they use poison to counteract poison; i.e. after having absolved a devotee's karmas for example. Sai Baba of Shirdi is also referred to as a Lord Shiva Incarnate to some Shivaites. Like Sri Sri Ramakrishna who also embraced Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, etc. etc., H.H. Sai Baba of Shirdi did not see "Duality". Neither did Sri Ramakrishna. For them, God/Goddess is One and the Same, only with different names and in different forms. Its like Shiva is also Shakti; both are One and the Same; Non- duality. My lil pea brain ain't too good these days.. Am finding it hard to rack it for appropriate expression of what I'm trying to say but words fail me but hope you get the drift nevertheless. Perhaps Sri Neilji --- (if he has time) -- can elaborate further?? (Neilji often knows exactly what I mean even when I was using the wrong words. He reads my mind better than I can do myself ) In India, Fakirs who are Moslems also sometimes use Hindu mantras combined with Arabic variations. The same in Singapore and Malaysia where Muslims live in perfect harmony with fellow countryfolk of different religious backgrounds. Their respective "Medicine Men and Women" are usually called "Bomohs" but there are other terms for it too. In Singapore, on Bencoolen Street (pretty sure its the correct street), there are 2 temples. One is Hindu, the other is Buddhist. Buddhists would light incence outside the Hindu temple when they pass by. Hindus who walk past the Buddhist temple would do the same. I saw this with my own eyes 2 years ago Both temples have large censers outside the entrances. The Hindu temple didn't open for prayers until 5pm but the Buddhist temple was open all day. Can't remember the names of both temples right now though..... But I am quite sure the Hindu one is Shri Krishna Temple guarded at the entrance by a huge Lord Hanuman on one side and large Lord Garuda on the other side. Anyone from Singapore here? Maybe you can tell more or correct me? And no, have never heard of anyone being killed in the name of Lord Ganesha ) Jai Shree Ganeshaya Namah Simone , james richard <nhraddude71> wrote: > Hank, Thats such a lame dissapointment. Tobacco, yuck go figure. Ive owned a few fine hand blown glass chillims in my Dead head days and they sure wernt for smoking Tobacco. I also found it interesting that he lived in a mosque and spoke of Allah all the time but was also a Yogi who meditated . To me Islam and Hindu seem like night and day. Do I have my facts straight or did one of those sites give me some faulty information? Thats one of those hangups i got to get over. Being an American living within an hour of NYC Im not to fond of Islam at the moment. When I think of Islam I think of people that would like to see my head on a stick. I also think of the rathful jelious God of the old testament. I just dont see how he could speak of Allah but be the rencarnation of Ganesha. Has anyone ever been killed in the name of Ganesh? > > Forever seaking, Jim > > Henry Beck <henrywb@g...> wrote: > It is usually said that Baba's few possessions included a chillim and > a pipe and that he enjoyed tobacco. > http://www.geocities.com/aumganesh/ Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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