Lord Ganesha's bija or seed mantra endings

April 27, 2004

Namaste Billy,

Very much my humble pleasure

Om GuNg Ganapataye Namaha

Simone

, "biosoundbill"

<biosoundmeditation@i...> wrote:

> Namaste Simone,

>

> Many Thanks for your reply and helpful advice.

> Doing a search of the archives of this group, and the web I found

> the following:-

>

> 1. ****** His Bija Akshara (root syllable) is Gung, pronounced

> to rhyme with the English word "sung".

>

> 2. Ganesh Puja bija mantra with a clearly pronounced "Gung"

> @ http://www.geocities.com/anandakapila/Mantras.html

>

> 3. Ganpati Mantra For Sound Physique (April 1994 issue) which

> also has a clearly pronounced "Gung"

> @ http://www.siddhashram.org/audio.shtml

>

> Om GuNg Ganapataye Namaha

>

> Billy

>

> , "Simone" <syzenith> wrote:

> > Namaste Billy,

> >

> > There are 'accent' and 'ascent' to be taken into consideration

in

> > regards pronounciation. Try "Ung" or "Lung" and you get "GuNg".

> > Gum, Gam and Gung are one and the same Beeja Mantra for

> Ganapatiji.

> > Depending on one's background and whether mantrams are learnt

from

> > North or South India, accents may differ. At the same time, I

was

> > once set right by Sri Rajatyboy who mentioned that

> pronouncing "Gam"

> > or "Gum" as in the English way of pronounciation is equivalent

to

> a

> > word in India that means "grief". Gotta say I tried his method

of

> > GuNg and lo and behold, things turned around.....! (Can never

> thank

> > Sri Rajatyboyyyy enough for this insight, bless his boots.)

> >

> > Om GuNg Ganapataye Namaha

> > Simone

> >

> > , "biosoundbill"

> > <biosoundmeditation@i...> wrote:

> > > Om Ganesh Everyone,

> > >

> > > From what I know Ganesha's bija or seed mantra is GUM or GUNG.

> > > Getting the correct pronunciation for "GUM" is easy thanks to

> > Thomas

> > > Ashley Farrand, but getting the correct pronunciation

for "GUNG"

> > is

> > > posing many problems for me. Is there a wav file of "GUNG"

> > anywhere

> > > on the net?

> > > BTW Can anybody tell me why are there 2 endings "M" or "NG"?

Is

> > > the "NG" version Tantric?

> > > I also think that I read somewhere that "GUM" is specifically

> for

> > > Lord Ganesha, and that "GUNG" is for the whole group-whatever

> that

> > > means, please correct me if I'm wrong!

> > > Looking forward to getting your replies.

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > Billy

April 27, 2004

I'm no longer sure, but I think that a Sanskrit 'm' with a dot above it is a nasal 'm.'

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Simone

Tuesday, April 27, 2004 4:33 PM

Lord Ganesha's bija or seed mantra endings

Namaste Billy,There are 'accent' and 'ascent' to be taken into consideration in

regards pronounciation. Try "Ung" or "Lung" and you get "GuNg". Gum, Gam and

Gung are one and the same Beeja Mantra for Ganapatiji. Depending on one's

background and whether mantrams are learnt from North or South India, accents

may differ. At the same time, I was once set right by Sri Rajatyboy who

mentioned that pronouncing "Gam" or "Gum" as in the English way of

pronounciation is equivalent to a word in India that means "grief". Gotta say

I tried his method of GuNg and lo and behold, things turned around.....! (Can

never thank Sri Rajatyboyyyy enough for this insight, bless his boots.)Om GuNg

Ganapataye NamahaSimone, "biosoundbill"

<biosoundmeditation@i...> wrote:> Om Ganesh Everyone,> > From what I know

Ganesha's bija or seed mantra is GUM or GUNG. > Getting the correct

pronunciation for "GUM" is easy thanks to Thomas > Ashley Farrand, but getting

the correct pronunciation for "GUNG" is > posing many problems for me. Is there

a wav file of "GUNG" anywhere > on the net?> BTW Can anybody tell me why are

there 2 endings "M" or "NG"? Is > the "NG" version Tantric?> I also think that

I read somewhere that "GUM" is specifically for > Lord Ganesha, and that "GUNG"

is for the whole group-whatever that > means, please correct me if I'm wrong!>

Looking forward to getting your replies.> > Namaste,> >

Billyhttp://www.geocities.com/aumganesh/

April 27, 2004

12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Namaste all,

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12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">I’m probably just going to

reiterate most of what has mostly been said, so for what it is worth…

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12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">I believe the pronunciation

“ng” is known as Anunaasika. This is pronounced with the mouth

open

to allow the bija/sound/shakti to travel to the top

of the head and beyond, rather than terminating at the nasal region or in the

mouth. When pronouncing the “ng” part the tongue is turned back towards the rear

of the mouth, I think you call this a guttural, but I’m not sure so don’t

quote me on it. As I understand it

the same goes for many other bijas and also pranavas such as Om. So when

chanting aloud rather than

mentally the mouth should not be completely closed. When chanting mentally it has been

suggested that the pronunciation is a little different, however I’m not

clear on this. I also believe, as Barbara rightly said,

that in Sanskrit transliteration when a dot is over a letter it means that the

sound is generally a nasal sound between “m” and “n”.

Seemingly pronouncing it as “m”

is not wrong as such, but not absolutely perfect

either.

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Om Shanti

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I just had a weird experience .I wouldnt call it de ja vu

but I dont know what name to give it. Some call it a "God Shot". I was going to

give a reply on how to make the Gung sound and then I read your description and

decided anything I had to say would be redundant. I learned how to pronounce

the mantra by listening to the indiatimes

Ganesh screen saver. It features a repeating audio chorus of the whole thing.But

the whole description you gave with the toung at the back of the throught to

keep the sound from escaping the sinuses really got me because i always do that

and I never new why.

So all I can say is follow Neils instruction on pronunciation of the word Gung or Gam.

JamesTrikashaivism <Trikashaivism (AT) onetel (DOT) com> wrote:

Namaste all,

I’m probably just going to reiterate most of what has mostly been said, so for what it is worth…

I believe the pronunciation “ng” is known as Anunaasika. This is pronounced

with the mouth open to allow the bija/sound/shakti to travel to the top of the

head and beyond, rather than terminating at the nasal region or in the mouth.

When pronouncing the “ng” part the tongue is turned back towards the rear of

the mouth, I think you call this a guttural, but I’m not sure so don’t quote me

on it. As I understand it the same goes for many other bijas and also pranavas

such as Om. So when chanting aloud rather than mentally the mouth should not

be completely closed. When chanting mentally it has been suggested that the

pronunciation is a little different, however I’m not clear on this. I also

believe, as Barbara rightly said, that in Sanskrit transliteration when a dot

is over a letter it means that the sound is generally a nasal sound between “m”

and “n”. Seemingly pronouncing it as “m” is not wrong

as such, but not absolutely perfect either.

Om Shanti

Neil

Barbara J. Spencer [barbjs (AT) shaw (DOT) ca] 28 April 2004 02:05

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I'm no longer sure, but I think that a Sanskrit 'm' with a dot above it is a nasal 'm.'

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April 28, 2004

Namaste James,

Can you please supply the url for the Ganesh screen saver with audio

of mantra.

Many Thanks,

Billy

, james richard <nhraddude71>

wrote:

> Namaste Neil,

> I just had a weird experience .I wouldnt call

it de ja vu but I dont know what name to give it. Some call it

a "God Shot". I was going to give a reply on how to make the Gung

sound and then I read your description and decided anything I had to

say would be redundant. I learned how to pronounce the mantra by

listening to the indiatimes

> Ganesh screen saver. It features a repeating audio chorus of the

whole thing.But the whole description you gave with the toung at the

back of the throught to keep the sound from escaping the sinuses

really got me because i always do that and I never new why.

> So all I can say is follow Neils instruction on pronunciation of

the word Gung or Gam.

>

James

> Trikashaivism <Trikashaivism@o...> wrote:

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> Namaste all,

>

> I'm probably just going to reiterate most of what has mostly been

said, so for what it is worth…

>

> I believe the pronunciation "ng" is known as Anunaasika. This is

pronounced with the mouth open to allow the bija/sound/shakti to

travel to the top of the head and beyond, rather than terminating at

the nasal region or in the mouth. When pronouncing the "ng" part

the tongue is turned back towards the rear of the mouth, I think you

call this a guttural, but I'm not sure so don't quote me on it. As

I understand it the same goes for many other bijas and also pranavas

such as Om. So when chanting aloud rather than mentally the mouth

should not be completely closed. When chanting mentally it has been

suggested that the pronunciation is a little different, however I'm

not clear on this. I also believe, as Barbara rightly said, that in

Sanskrit transliteration when a dot is over a letter it means that

the sound is generally a nasal sound between "m" and "n". Seemingly

pronouncing it as "m" is not wrong as such, but not absolutely

perfect either.

>

> Om Shanti

>

> Neil

>

> Barbara J. Spencer [barbjs@s...]

> 28 April 2004 02:05

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> I'm no longer sure, but I think that a Sanskrit 'm' with a dot

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font-family:Arial">Dear James, Namaste,

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>I just had a weird

experience .I wouldnt call it de ja vu but I dont know

what name to give it. Some call it a "God Shot". I was going to give

a reply on how to make the Gung sound and then I read your description and

decided anything I had to say would be redundant. I learned how to pronounce

the mantra by listening to the indiatimes Ganesh

screen saver.>

font-family:Arial">

font-family:Arial">Be sure to send a link if you can James. I think many of us

would appreciate

it. : )

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>It features a

repeating audio chorus of the whole thing.But the whole description you gave

with the toung at the back of the throught to keep the sound from escaping the

sinuses really got me because i always do that and I never new why.>

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font-family:Arial">I am pleased to hear that you have been practicing in this

manner. I hope you sadhana is going

well and that you are finding peace within my friend.

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So all I can say is

follow Neils instruction on pronunciation of the word

Gung or Gam.

font-family:Arial">Just happy to pass on what I have been told, read and picked

up along the way.

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font-family:Arial">With all this discussion within the group of late, which can

perhaps be a bit technical and dry, I feel it is worth taking the opportunity

to mention that (IMHO anyway) devotion or bhakti has an important part to play in

the chanting of these mantras. Yesterday

I happened to read a piece by Swami Sivananda on bhakti, it read

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font-family:Arial">Equally so the knowledge of the correct pronunciation of

mantras is important, but the heart they come from is also just as important,

if not more so. But the two seem to

best go hand in hand.

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April 29, 2004

Oum Gaung

ganapataye Namaha, Jamesbiosoundbill <biosoundmeditation (AT) iolfree (DOT) ie> wrote

Namaste James,Can you please supply the url for the Ganesh screen saver with

audio of mantra.Many Thanks,Billy, james richard

<nhraddude71> wrote:> Namaste Neil,> I just had a

weird experience .I wouldnt call it de ja vu but I dont know what name to give

it. Some call it a "God Shot". I was going to give a reply on how to make the

Gung sound and then I read your description and decided anything I had to say

would be redundant. I learned how to pronounce the mantra by listening to the

indiatimes> Ganesh screen saver. It features a repeating audio chorus of the

whole thing.But the whole description you gave with the toung at the

back of the throught to keep the sound from escaping the sinuses really got me

because i always do that and I never new why.> So all I can say is follow Neils

instruction on pronunciation of the word Gung or Gam.> > >

James>

Trikashaivism <Trikashaivism@o...> wrote:> > > v\:*

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all,> > > > I'm probably just going to reiterate most of what has mostly been

said, so for what it is worth…> > > > I believe the pronunciation "ng" is

known as Anunaasika. This is pronounced with the mouth open to allow the

bija/sound/shakti to travel to the top of the head and beyond, rather than

terminating at the nasal region or in the mouth. When pronouncing the "ng"

part the tongue is turned back towards the rear of the mouth, I think you call

this a guttural, but I'm not sure so don't quote me on it. As I understand it

the same goes for many other bijas and also pranavas such as Om. So when

chanting aloud rather than mentally the mouth should not be completely closed.

When chanting mentally it has been suggested that the pronunciation is a little

different, however I'm not clear on this. I also believe, as Barbara rightly

said, that in Sanskrit transliteration when a dot is over a letter it means

that the sound is generally a nasal sound between "m" and "n". Seemingly

pronouncing it as "m" is not wrong as such, but not absolutely perfect either.

> > > > Om Shanti> > Neil> > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original

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2004 02:05> > Re: Lord

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Hi, I have not been able to find it at India Times, also. I did find that if one

goes to Googleand types in, Ganesh, one can find "Times Music Album" by India

Times; however, one must pay for this music. There are Divine Chants of Ganesh

there. I did not find any picture of Ganesh on a red background at India Times,

though. Can you not find the URL address when you turn on your computer?

Thanks,

Barbara

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james richard

Thursday, April 29, 2004 8:04 AM

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I believe I got it at www.indiatimes.com You will recongnize it because it will

look kind of like a very simple impresionistic pic of the lord of ganas on a

red backround. The chanting is beautiful. I like to put the volume low and

leave it as backround when sleaping. I know this isnt the exact address but it

will get you there if you look hard enough.

Oum Gaung

ganapataye Namaha, Jamesbiosoundbill <biosoundmeditation (AT) iolfree (DOT) ie> wrote

Namaste James,Can you please supply the url for the Ganesh screen saver with

audio of mantra.Many Thanks,Billy, james richard

<nhraddude71> wrote:> Namaste Neil,> I just had a

weird experience .I wouldnt call it de ja vu but I dont know what name to give

it. Some call it a "God Shot". I was going to give a reply on how to make the

Gung sound and then I read your description and decided anything I had to say

would be redundant. I learned how to pronounce the mantra by listening to the

indiatimes> Ganesh screen saver. It features a repeating audio chorus of the

whole thing.But the whole description you gave with the toung at the back of

the throught to keep the sound from escaping the sinuses really got me because

i always do that and I never new why.> So all I can say is follow Neils