Ganapati in the material world

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namaste my friends,

Has there ever been an acount of Ganapati

taking form in the earthly plane such as the way Rhama Krishna

has apeared to Arjuna?

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This is an interesting question.. according to hinduism and if i am

not mistaken , from the Vishnu Purana, there are 4

different "ages" .. the satya yuga, treta yuga, drupa yuga and

currently kali yuga (kali yuga commenced at the moment Lord Krishna

was mistakenly killed by a hunter who mistook his foot for the feet

of a deer) .. Lord Ganapati did appear in other yugas.. not in kali

yuga.. taking different forms such as siddhi ganapathy and combating

demons... have u guys heard of the milk miracle? in which statues of

Lord ganapati drank great amount of milk in the time span of a couple

of hours.. some believe that it is sign of the last incarnation of

Lord Vishnu, Lord kalki , and Lord ganapati (as teh remover of

obstacles) is paving the way for Lord kalki.. kinda like st. john the

baptists for Christ .. ciao

 

, "nhraddude71" <nhraddude71>

wrote:

> namaste my friends,

> Has there ever been an acount of Ganapati

> taking form in the earthly plane such as the way Rhama Krishna

> has apeared to Arjuna?

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nhraddude71 <nhraddude71 > wrote:

namaste my friends, Has there ever been an acount of

Ganapati taking form in the earthly plane such as the way Rhama Krishnahas

apeared to Arjuna?

Nhraddude71, In answer to your query I found the following account in the

chapter on Ganesha from the book Hindu Mythology by W.J. Wilkins originaly

published in the year 1882.

Jai Sri Ganapataya Namaha

Lambodara Das

In recent times there has been a supposed incarnation

of Ganesa, whose descendant and representative was

was visited by Captain E Moor during the present century.

The following is the account of his visit. Muraba

Goseyn ,was a Brahman of Poona who by abstinence,

mortification, and prayer, merited above others the

favourable regards of the Almighty. Ganapati accord-

ingly vouchsafed to appear to him at Chinchoor in a

vision by night; desired .him to arise and bathe; and,

,whilst in the act of ablution, to seize and hold sacred to

the Godhead the first tangible substance that his hand

encountered. The god covenanted that a

Portion of his

Holy Spirit should pervade the person thus favoured,

and be continued as far as the seventh generation to his

seed, who were to become successively hereditary

guardians of this sacred substance, which proved to be

a stone, in which the god was understood as mystically

typified. This type is duly reverenced, carefully pre-

served, and has ever been the constant companion of the

sanctified person inheriting with it the divine patrimony.

This annunciation happened about A.D. 1640; and at the

time Captain Moor visited the place, the sixth descendant

was the representative of the Deity.

"It does not now appear what ,was the precise extent

of the divine energy originally conceded, but it is

inferred to have been limited power of working

miracles, such as healing sickness, answering the prayers

of pious suppliants;, and the faculty of foretelling future

events. These gifts were enjoyed in a more extensive

degree by the earlier representatives of the god; but

the person whom Moor saw professed to have performed

several miracles. the third in descent is reported to

have performed a wonderful ,work. It ,was in his time

that the Moghul army of Hyderabad so successfully

invaded the Mahratta country. After plundering and

burning Poona, a party proceeded to Chinchoor, the

residence of this Deity, to lay it under contribution.

To this the Deo refused to submit, confiding in the

divine influence wherewith he was invested. The

*Mussulmans derided such superstition, and with a view

of rendering it ridiculous offered to send a Nuzur

(present) to the Deo. The offer was accepted, the Deo

betook himself to prayers, and the insulting bigots

deputed certain persons to see the result, as apparently

a decorous and appropriate present ,was given.

It consisted, however, of cow's flesh, an abomination in the

eyes of a Hindu. When the trays were uncovered, they

were greatly astonished to find that, instead of the

cow's flesh, the trays were filled ,with the finest and

most sacred flowers of the Hindus. The Mussulmans,

seeing this, recognized the finger of God in the tran-

saction, and so struck were they with the reality of

the miracle that a valuable grant of land was made to

the Deo, which his temple enjoys to this day."

The Deo eats, sleeps, marries, and lives the life of

an ordinary mortal; and though he is regarded as a

fool in worldly matters, he is worshipped as a god. On

special occasions his actions and movements are most

carefully ,watched, as they are transient manifestations

of the divine, will., and are regarded as prophetic. thus

on a particular night of the year, should he remain In

peaceful sleep, national repose is predicted; should his

slumbers or his waking moments he disturbed, national,

calamities are expected. If he start, wildly from his

seat, seize a sword, or make any warlike movement, war

may be looked for.

 

* Mussulmen is a archic term for Muslim

 

 

 

 

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Your story was very interesting and inspiring

but I believe I may have asked my question in the wrong way. By" incarnation "

I didnt mean in human form

just in the world of men. Even though Krishna appeared before Arjuna, Rhama Krishna

was not organic flesh as we think of it. His skin was blue and he left no

shadow. His garlend around his neck never wilts or dies. Even apearing to

Arjuna in the realm of time

Krishna himself was timeless and beyond death even in his visible form. The

discription you gave me of Ganeshas incarnation sounds just like a man with

great Yogi powers

but still just a man with 2 arms not four. Has he ever come to earth in his heavenly form

trunk and all?

Thank,

JamesLambodara Das <lambodara_das > wrote:

nhraddude71 <nhraddude71 > wrote:

namaste my friends, Has there ever been an acount of

Ganapati taking form in the earthly plane such as the way Rhama Krishnahas

apeared to Arjuna?

Nhraddude71, In answer to your query I found the following account in the

chapter on Ganesha from the book Hindu Mythology by W.J. Wilkins originaly

published in the year 1882.

Jai Sri Ganapataya Namaha

Lambodara Das

In recent times there has been a supposed incarnation

of Ganesa, whose descendant and representative was

was visited by Captain E Moor during the present century.

The following is the account of his visit. Muraba

Goseyn ,was a Brahman of Poona who by abstinence,

mortification, and prayer, merited above others the

favourable regards of the Almighty. Ganapati accord-

ingly vouchsafed to appear to him at Chinchoor in a

vision by night; desired .him to arise and bathe; and,

,whilst in the act of ablution, to seize and hold sacred to

the Godhead the first tangible substance that his hand

encountered. The god covenanted that a

Portion of his

Holy Spirit should pervade the person thus favoured,

and be continued as far as the seventh generation to his

seed, who were to become successively hereditary

guardians of this sacred substance, which proved to be

a stone, in which the god was understood as mystically

typified. This type is duly reverenced, carefully pre-

served, and has ever been the constant companion of the

sanctified person inheriting with it the divine patrimony.

This annunciation happened about A.D. 1640; and at the

time Captain Moor visited the place, the sixth descendant

was the representative of the Deity.

"It does not now appear what ,was the precise extent

of the divine energy originally conceded, but it is

inferred to have been limited power of working

miracles, such as healing sickness, answering the prayers

of pious suppliants;, and the faculty of foretelling future

events. These gifts were enjoyed in a more extensive

degree by the earlier representatives of the god; but

the person whom Moor saw professed to have performed

several miracles. the third in descent is reported to

have performed a wonderful ,work. It ,was in his time

that the Moghul army of Hyderabad so successfully

invaded the Mahratta country. After plundering and

burning Poona, a party proceeded to Chinchoor, the

residence of this Deity, to lay it under contribution.

To this the Deo refused to submit, confiding in the

divine influence wherewith he was invested. The

*Mussulmans derided such superstition, and with a view

of rendering it ridiculous offered to send a Nuzur

(present) to the Deo. The offer was accepted, the Deo

betook himself to prayers, and the insulting bigots

deputed certain persons to see the result, as apparently

a decorous and appropriate present ,was given.

It consisted, however, of cow's flesh, an abomination in the

eyes of a Hindu. When the trays were uncovered, they

were greatly astonished to find that, instead of the

cow's flesh, the trays were filled ,with the finest and

most sacred flowers of the Hindus. The Mussulmans,

seeing this, recognized the finger of God in the tran-

saction, and so struck were they with the reality of

the miracle that a valuable grant of land was made to

the Deo, which his temple enjoys to this day."

The Deo eats, sleeps, marries, and lives the life of

an ordinary mortal; and though he is regarded as a

fool in worldly matters, he is worshipped as a god. On

special occasions his actions and movements are most

carefully ,watched, as they are transient manifestations

of the divine, will., and are regarded as prophetic. thus

on a particular night of the year, should he remain In

peaceful sleep, national repose is predicted; should his

slumbers or his waking moments he disturbed, national,

calamities are expected. If he start, wildly from his

seat, seize a sword, or make any warlike movement, war

may be looked for.

 

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On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 07:04:44 -0800 (PST) james richard

<nhraddude71 writes:

 

> ...By" incarnation " I didnt mean in human form

> just in the world of men. Even though Krishna appeared before

> Arjuna, Rhama Krishna...

 

Rama (note spelling) was Vishnu's seventh avatar. Krishna was Vishnu's

eighth avatar. Ramakrishna was the priest of Kali who lived in 19th

Century Bengal.

 

 

> was not organic flesh as we think of it. His skin was blue and he

> left no shadow. His garlend around his neck never wilts or dies.

> Even apearing to Arjuna in the realm of time

> Krishna himself was timeless and beyond death even in his visible

> form.

 

So, James, are you asking for historical reports of humans with a red

complexion, four arms, and a trunk? Such miraculous beings are hard to

hide. The only contempory miracle of Ganesha I can recall was the time,

several years ago, when spoons of milk held to temple statues of Ganesha,

were apparently emptied of the milk by the Deity.

 

 

> The discription you gave me of Ganeshas incarnation sounds

> just like a man with great Yogi powers

> but still just a man with 2 arms not four. Has he ever come to earth

> in his heavenly form

> trunk and all?

 

Well, I have read accounts of babies born in India with trunk-like

formations of the upper palate, who were acclaimed as incarnations of

Ganesha. No reports of wonder-working (or even surviving into

adulthood!) have been reported.

 

There was an episode of the TV show, "Ripley's Believe It Or Not," that

showed film from India of a recently-born boy baby with a tail. The

townspeople acclaimed the baby as an incarnation of Hanuman (the monkey

God), dressed him in royal robes and a crown, and clamored to touch him.

I hope he lives a relatively normal life.

 

-- Len/ Kalipadma

 

 

 

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