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On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 06:32:40 -0800 (PST) james richard

<nhraddude71 writes:

> Hello and welcome, Amazing you could know about Lakshmi without

> knowing of Ganesh.

 

Lots of Westerners learn their Hinduism piecemeal. MJ seems to be

predominently a Shakta (Goddess worshipper). And Lakshmi is in many ways

analogous to the Greek Aphrodite -- a goddess of Love, Nature, and

Financial Security.

 

It takes a while for Westerners to learn that Ganesha acts as Deputy for

his mother, Parvati, and so is the only male deity who is an honorary

Shakti. Shakti means Power, and Ganesha rules over the Power to Begin

Things Anew.

 

 

> dont know how things are in the world of witch

> craft but in the Hindi world

 

Hindi is a language. Hindu is the religion you're thinking of.

 

 

> Ganapati ranes suprime. Worshiping Lakshmi without first giving

> Ganesh his proper respect is like spitting in the face of God.

 

No. Ganesha is a remarkably good-tempered deity. Ignore him, and he

simply withdraws his power -- and none of your plans come to fruition!

 

 

He is

> more than just a coffee table nic nac.

> He is the Tao. He is ultimate reality. He is the supreme Buddha.

 

He is the Savior. He is the Son of God. (Christian symbolism applied to

Ganesha sounds just as silly as Taoist or Buddhist symbolism, doesn't

it?) Let's just call him Brahman and be done with it.

 

 

His

> true nature can not be described or pictured by the human mind. Your

> every heart beat occurs because he allows it to happen. Surrender to

> him and you will become free.

 

James, you are obviously a natural-born Ganapatya! Almost all Hindus

give honor and first place to Ganesha. But most see another deity as

First Cause. Shaktas see the Goddess as supreme; Shaivas see Shiva as

the Prime Mover; Vaishnavas bliss out worshipping Vishnu (usually in his

incarnations as Krishna or Rama). Only a very small number of Hindus see

Ganesha as First Cause -- the Ganapatyas.

 

How can Ganesha originate the Universe, if he was born from the dead skin

and sandalpaste on Parvati's body? Because before Parvati gave him form,

Ganesha existed as the first Sound that permeated the Universe when it

was created... The Aum! And when you chant "Aum," you are attuning

yourself to that Primordial Sound, which was Ganesha's original form.

 

-- Len/ Kalipadma

 

 

 

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Thank you so very much for sharing your wisdom and giving clarification to some

things. However, I am not a Dianic Witch, I am not solely a Goddess

worshipper, or a Shakta as you describe. I would agree though, that there are

many female wiccans/pagans who focus moreso on the Feminine Divine. Balance in

all is more my line of thinking.

 

I would not consider myself a Ganapatya either, as I feel a balance of the

Female and Male aspects as paramount in my personal belief system. For me, to

place more importance on one over the other is to unbalance everything!

 

Mind you, I do always, always acknowledge Ganesha first in everything I do,

every ritual, every bit of spellwork. To not remember to do this simply makes

everything else I attempt to do a failure before it begins.

 

Thank you again,

Aum Gam Ganapati Namaha

Libuesz

kalipadma (AT) juno (DOT) com wrote:

On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 06:32:40 -0800 (PST) james richard<nhraddude71 >

writes:> Hello and welcome, Amazing you could know about Lakshmi without >

knowing of Ganesh. Lots of Westerners learn their Hinduism piecemeal. MJ seems

to bepredominently a Shakta (Goddess worshipper). And Lakshmi is in many

waysanalogous to the Greek Aphrodite -- a goddess of Love, Nature, andFinancial

Security.It takes a while for Westerners to learn that Ganesha acts as Deputy

forhis mother, Parvati, and so is the only male deity who is an honoraryShakti.

Shakti means Power, and Ganesha rules over the Power to BeginThings Anew.> dont

know how things are in the world of witch > craft but in the Hindi worldHindi is

a language. Hindu is the religion you're thinking

of.> Ganapati ranes suprime. Worshiping Lakshmi without first giving > Ganesh

his proper respect is like spitting in the face of God. No. Ganesha is a

remarkably good-tempered deity. Ignore him, and hesimply withdraws his power

-- and none of your plans come to fruition!He is > more than just a coffee

table nic nac.> He is the Tao. He is ultimate reality. He is the supreme

Buddha. He is the Savior. He is the Son of God. (Christian symbolism applied

toGanesha sounds just as silly as Taoist or Buddhist symbolism, doesn'tit?)

Let's just call him Brahman and be done with it.His > true nature can not be

described or pictured by the human mind. Your > every heart beat occurs because

he allows it to happen. Surrender to > him and you will become free. James, you

are obviously a natural-born Ganapatya! Almost all Hindusgive honor and

first place to Ganesha. But most see another deity asFirst Cause. Shaktas see

the Goddess as supreme; Shaivas see Shiva asthe Prime Mover; Vaishnavas bliss

out worshipping Vishnu (usually in hisincarnations as Krishna or Rama). Only a

very small number of Hindus seeGanesha as First Cause -- the Ganapatyas. How

can Ganesha originate the Universe, if he was born from the dead skinand

sandalpaste on Parvati's body? Because before Parvati gave him form,Ganesha

existed as the first Sound that permeated the Universe when itwas created...

The Aum! And when you chant "Aum," you are attuningyourself to that Primordial

Sound, which was Ganesha's original form.-- Len/

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Invoking Lord Ganapati before one approaches the other deities has

it's roots in the puranas in which Goddess Parvathy places Lord

ganapathy at the door to prevent any interruption in her time spent

in the bath..

 

In Hinduism, there exists this six-fold systems ..

 

1) Vaishnavas - those who regard Lord Krishna as the supreme

2) Saivates - who regard Lord Shiva as the supreme

3) saktas - Mother Goddess as the supreme

4) ganapathy - Lord ganapathy as the ultimate reality

5) skanda - Lord kartikeya as the supreme

6) surya - Lord Surya (only Vedic God) as supreme..

 

ciao ..

 

, MJ Krasny <mjkraaz63@s...> wrote:

> Namaste Len,

>

> Thank you so very much for sharing your wisdom and giving

clarification to some things. However, I am not a Dianic Witch, I am

not solely a Goddess worshipper, or a Shakta as you describe. I

would agree though, that there are many female wiccans/pagans who

focus moreso on the Feminine Divine. Balance in all is more my line

of thinking.

>

> I would not consider myself a Ganapatya either, as I feel a balance

of the Female and Male aspects as paramount in my personal belief

system. For me, to place more importance on one over the other is to

unbalance everything!

>

> Mind you, I do always, always acknowledge Ganesha first in

everything I do, every ritual, every bit of spellwork. To not

remember to do this simply makes everything else I attempt to do a

failure before it begins.

>

> Thank you again,

> Aum Gam Ganapati Namaha

> Libuesz

>

>

> kalipadma@j... wrote:

>

>

> On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 06:32:40 -0800 (PST) james richard

> <nhraddude71> writes:

> > Hello and welcome, Amazing you could know about Lakshmi without

> > knowing of Ganesh.

>

> Lots of Westerners learn their Hinduism piecemeal. MJ seems to be

> predominently a Shakta (Goddess worshipper). And Lakshmi is in

many ways

> analogous to the Greek Aphrodite -- a goddess of Love, Nature, and

> Financial Security.

>

> It takes a while for Westerners to learn that Ganesha acts as

Deputy for

> his mother, Parvati, and so is the only male deity who is an

honorary

> Shakti. Shakti means Power, and Ganesha rules over the Power to

Begin

> Things Anew.

>

>

> > dont know how things are in the world of witch

> > craft but in the Hindi world

>

> Hindi is a language. Hindu is the religion you're thinking of.

>

>

> > Ganapati ranes suprime. Worshiping Lakshmi without first giving

> > Ganesh his proper respect is like spitting in the face of God.

>

> No. Ganesha is a remarkably good-tempered deity. Ignore him, and

he

> simply withdraws his power -- and none of your plans come to

fruition!

>

>

> He is

> > more than just a coffee table nic nac.

> > He is the Tao. He is ultimate reality. He is the supreme Buddha.

>

> He is the Savior. He is the Son of God. (Christian symbolism

applied to

> Ganesha sounds just as silly as Taoist or Buddhist symbolism,

doesn't

> it?) Let's just call him Brahman and be done with it.

>

>

> His

> > true nature can not be described or pictured by the human mind.

Your

> > every heart beat occurs because he allows it to happen. Surrender

to

> > him and you will become free.

>

> James, you are obviously a natural-born Ganapatya! Almost all

Hindus

> give honor and first place to Ganesha. But most see another deity

as

> First Cause. Shaktas see the Goddess as supreme; Shaivas see Shiva

as

> the Prime Mover; Vaishnavas bliss out worshipping Vishnu (usually

in his

> incarnations as Krishna or Rama). Only a very small number of

Hindus see

> Ganesha as First Cause -- the Ganapatyas.

>

> How can Ganesha originate the Universe, if he was born from the

dead skin

> and sandalpaste on Parvati's body? Because before Parvati gave him

form,

> Ganesha existed as the first Sound that permeated the Universe when

it

> was created... The Aum! And when you chant "Aum," you are attuning

> yourself to that Primordial Sound, which was Ganesha's original

form.

>

> -- Len/ Kalipadma

>

>

>

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