Guest guest Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 There are hundreds versions of the B.G. but the Prabupada`s version remark the personal position of Lord Krishna not the impersonal. Why is dangerous??? is just another point of view based on the bhakti yoga. The problem is the state of mind of the reader tangchikhay <tangchikhay (AT) (DOT) es> wrote: i would like to comment on what campbell said about the Bhagavad Gita .. it is absoulutely accurate to say that Lord Krishna was speaking from an impersonal point of view, and when he showed Arjuna his four armed form and later all the other forms ..Arjuna was in awe that all was within Lord Krishna and that Lord Krishna is in all of them.. The ISKON version is a very dangerous version of the Bhagavad Gita .. and this is the reason why i saw so .. if u take a look it.. u will notice how that vesion is actually divided into two parts -1) what Lord Krishna said to Arjuna and 2) The purport.. what Prabubada said..and the reason why i said that the ISKON version is dangerous and unhealhty is that this Prabubada guy has inserted TOO MANY of his own opinions.. for example the definition of demi-Gods.. did Lord Krishna ever told Arjuna that Lord shiva or Goddess lakshmi as a demigod? NO.. NEVER.. but prabubada inserted mostly saivate deities into the demi God category .. ISKON is a religious institution with a very vivid and focus attention towards some political and economical agendas.. ciao tang , "Neil Campbell" <pashu@t...> wrote:> Namaste James,> > >Your words have been like medicine to my mind.>> > I am pleased if they were of use.> > >I guess I had the wronf impression because Ive heard from many that> Ganesh loves sweets and I guess I took it the wrong way ,like it was a> desire for sweets.>> > You are not alone! I think we all make similar interpretations along> the way. It seems that one's understanding starts off by taking these> matters in a quite literal sense, but then moves on to a less literal> interpretation and starts to look for deeper meanings in the symbolism> of the murtis or in the scriptures. We all seem to go from gross to> subtle to causal and beyond.eventually! LOL However if one's> understanding does not grow in wisdom we eventually get to the point> down the road of a purely literal interpretation and this in turns grows> into fundamentalism, hence much of religion across the world today is in> a poor state of affairs.> > >You are very correct about my limited knowledge of Ganesh. Most> everything Ive learned about him has been on the net.>> > And the net is full of wonders and gems, it is a treasure chest for> sure, but often you just have to know where to dig. For, as I'm sure> you know, there is a lot of rubbish on the net too.> > >Is there a text for Ganesh like how Krishna has the Bagavahdgita. I> find that most book stores religion/philosophy sections have nothing. I> guess I have to be more dilligent and find some books online.>> > Well, the Bhagavad Gita kind of goes across the board really. Even> though Krishna is the main speaker in it he speaks from the point of the> impersonal Absolute. Many different Hindu sects hold the Bhagavad Gita> as a true gem, not just the Vaishnava sects (on a personal note I> wouldn't recommend the Isckon/Hare Krishna version, As It Is). I don't> know if the ancient Ganapata sects held the BG in high esteem, but I> imagine they would have viewed it with high regard. So please don't> think that Bhagavad Gita is only for devotees of Krishna, far from it.> The modern book Loving Ganesha would probably be your best bet this now> James for a book on Ganesh. This covers many aspects of Ganesh and is> easily readable. It is also online, so it is easy to hand at> http://www.himalayanacademy.com/books/lg/lg_table_of_contents.html> There are also many decent translations of the Gita online as well,> should you be interested.> > > Om Shanti> > Neilhttp://www.geocities.com/aumganesh/ Do You ? Todo lo que quieres saber de Estados Unidos, América Latina y el resto del Mundo. Visíta Noticias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Aum Namah Sivaya Ardan manuel callan <mcallan2007 > wrote: Hi, There are hundreds versions of the B.G. but the Prabupada`s version remark the personal position of Lord Krishna not the impersonal. Why is dangerous??? is just another point of view based on the bhakti yoga. The problem is the state of mind of the reader tangchikhay <tangchikhay (AT) (DOT) es> wrote: i would like to comment on what campbell said about the Bhagavad Gita .. it is absoulutely accurate to say that Lord Krishna was speaking from an impersonal point of view, and when he showed Arjuna his four armed form and later all the other forms ..Arjuna was in awe that all was within Lord Krishna and that Lord Krishna is in all of them.. The ISKON version is a very dangerous version of the Bhagavad Gita .. and this is the reason why i saw so .. if u take a look it.. u will notice how that vesion is actually divided into two parts -1) what Lord Krishna said to Arjuna and 2) The purport.. what Prabubada said..and the reason why i said that the ISKON version is dangerous and unhealhty is that this Prabubada guy has inserted TOO MANY of his own opinions.. for example the definition of demi-Gods.. did Lord Krishna ever told Arjuna that Lord shiva or Goddess lakshmi as a demigod? NO.. NEVER.. but prabubada inserted mostly saivate deities into the demi God category .. ISKON is a religious institution with a very vivid and focus attention towards some political and economical agendas.. ciao tang , "Neil Campbell" <pashu@t...> wrote:> Namaste James,> > >Your words have been like medicine to my mind.>> > I am pleased if they were of use.> > >I guess I had the wronf impression because Ive heard from many that> Ganesh loves sweets and I guess I took it the wrong way ,like it was a> desire for sweets.>> > You are not alone! I think we all make similar interpretations along> the way. It seems that one's understanding starts off by taking these> matters in a quite literal sense, but then moves on to a less literal> interpretation and starts to look for deeper meanings in the symbolism> of the murtis or in the scriptures. We all seem to go from gross to> subtle to causal and beyond.eventually! LOL However if one's> understanding does not grow in wisdom we eventually get to the point> down the road of a purely literal interpretation and this in turns grows> into fundamentalism, hence much of religion across the world today is in> a poor state of affairs.> > >You are very correct about my limited knowledge of Ganesh. Most> everything Ive learned about him has been on the net.>> > And the net is full of wonders and gems, it is a treasure chest for> sure, but often you just have to know where to dig. For, as I'm sure> you know, there is a lot of rubbish on the net too.> > >Is there a text for Ganesh like how Krishna has the Bagavahdgita. I> find that most book stores religion/philosophy sections have nothing. I> guess I have to be more dilligent and find some books online.>> > Well, the Bhagavad Gita kind of goes across the board really. Even> though Krishna is the main speaker in it he speaks from the point of the> impersonal Absolute. Many different Hindu sects hold the Bhagavad Gita> as a true gem, not just the Vaishnava sects (on a personal note I> wouldn't recommend the Isckon/Hare Krishna version, As It Is). I don't> know if the ancient Ganapata sects held the BG in high esteem, but I> imagine they would have viewed it with high regard. So please don't> think that Bhagavad Gita is only for devotees of Krishna, far from it.> The modern book Loving Ganesha would probably be your best bet this now> James for a book on Ganesh. This covers many aspects of Ganesh and is> easily readable. It is also online, so it is easy to hand at> http://www.himalayanacademy.com/books/lg/lg_table_of_contents.html> There are also many decent translations of the Gita online as well,> should you be interested.> > > Om Shanti> > Neilhttp://www.geocities.com/aumganesh/ Todo lo que quieres saber de Estados Unidos, América Latina y el resto del Mundo.Visíta Noticias.http://www.geocities.com/aumganesh/ Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2004 Report Share Posted February 10, 2004 i specifically used the word "dangerous" because.. ok.. first and foremost the bhagavad gita is only a chapter of srimad bhagavatam..a canto to be more specifically.. I believe that the reason why religion (more like the people behind the particular religion) is responsible for so much of the atrocities that is happening in this world is because of ambitious individuals trying to manipulate scriptures to their own benefits.. the vesion of the bhagavad gita as it is .. is dangeous because 1) it can jeapordize a person quest to be closer to God.. since Mr prabubaha has meddled with the truth by inserting somuch of his own ideas., 2) Mr. Prabubada is grooming an institution that may appear to be antaognistic (esp in teh future whenit grows in size, influence and wealth) towards people of other reloigions.. he is clearly targetting the saivates in whihch i personally think is disgusting.. ciao ., tang , Skud Thirteen <skud_13> wrote: > I'd have to say that I somewhat agree with Tang, but I think that dangerous is a little overstated i think its more or less a little ignorant on the part of Prabupada. Siva is hardly a Demigod lets remember who Siva is and who Siva was even prior to the vedic era. I stopped reading Prabupada's version after he called "Siva a Demigodand told the girls who were worshipping Siva not to waste there time" and made fun of them. A little insulting to us Saivites at least it was to me. So Im sure there are better, less Ignorant versions available for reading. > > Aum Namah Sivaya > Ardan > > manuel callan <mcallan2007> wrote: > Hi, > There are hundreds versions of the B.G. but the Prabupada`s version remark the personal position of Lord Krishna not the impersonal. > Why is dangerous??? is just another point of view based on the bhakti yoga. > The problem is the state of mind of the reader > > tangchikhay <tangchikhay> wrote: > i would like to comment on what campbell said about the Bhagavad > Gita .. it is absoulutely accurate to say that Lord Krishna was > speaking from an impersonal point of view, and when he showed Arjuna > his four armed form and later all the other forms ..Arjuna was in awe > that all was within Lord Krishna and that Lord Krishna is in all of > them.. > > The ISKON version is a very dangerous version of the Bhagavad Gita .. > and this is the reason why i saw so .. if u take a look it.. u will > notice how that vesion is actually divided into two parts -1) what > Lord Krishna said to Arjuna and 2) The purport.. what Prabubada said.. > and the reason why i said that the ISKON version is dangerous and > unhealhty is that this Prabubada guy has inserted TOO MANY of his own > opinions.. for example the definition of demi-Gods.. did Lord Krishna > ever told Arjuna that Lord shiva or Goddess lakshmi as a demigod? > NO.. NEVER.. but prabubada inserted mostly saivate deities into the > demi God category .. ISKON is a religious institution with a very > vivid and focus attention towards some political and economical > agendas.. > > ciao > tang > > , "Neil Campbell" <pashu@t...> wrote: > > Namaste James, > > > > >Your words have been like medicine to my mind.> > > > > I am pleased if they were of use. > > > > >I guess I had the wronf impression because Ive heard from many that > > Ganesh loves sweets and I guess I took it the wrong way ,like it > was a > > desire for sweets.> > > > > You are not alone! I think we all make similar interpretations > along > > the way. It seems that one's understanding starts off by taking > these > > matters in a quite literal sense, but then moves on to a less > literal > > interpretation and starts to look for deeper meanings in the > symbolism > > of the murtis or in the scriptures. We all seem to go from gross to > > subtle to causal and beyond.eventually! LOL However if one's > > understanding does not grow in wisdom we eventually get to the point > > down the road of a purely literal interpretation and this in turns > grows > > into fundamentalism, hence much of religion across the world today > is in > > a poor state of affairs. > > > > >You are very correct about my limited knowledge of Ganesh. Most > > everything Ive learned about him has been on the net.> > > > > And the net is full of wonders and gems, it is a treasure chest for > > sure, but often you just have to know where to dig. For, as I'm > sure > > you know, there is a lot of rubbish on the net too. > > > > >Is there a text for Ganesh like how Krishna has the Bagavahdgita. I > > find that most book stores religion/philosophy sections have > nothing. I > > guess I have to be more dilligent and find some books online.> > > > > Well, the Bhagavad Gita kind of goes across the board really. Even > > though Krishna is the main speaker in it he speaks from the point > of the > > impersonal Absolute. Many different Hindu sects hold the Bhagavad > Gita > > as a true gem, not just the Vaishnava sects (on a personal note I > > wouldn't recommend the Isckon/Hare Krishna version, As It Is). I > don't > > know if the ancient Ganapata sects held the BG in high esteem, but I > > imagine they would have viewed it with high regard. So please don't > > think that Bhagavad Gita is only for devotees of Krishna, far from > it. > > The modern book Loving Ganesha would probably be your best bet this > now > > James for a book on Ganesh. This covers many aspects of Ganesh and > is > > easily readable. It is also online, so it is easy to hand at > > http://www.himalayanacademy.com/books/lg/lg_table_of_contents.html > > There are also many decent translations of the Gita online as well, > > should you be interested. > > > > > > Om Shanti > > > > Neil > > > > http://www.geocities.com/aumganesh/ > > > > > > > Todo lo que quieres saber de Estados Unidos, América Latina y el resto del Mundo. > Visíta Noticias. > > > http://www.geocities.com/aumganesh/ > > > > > Links > > > / > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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