signifigance of ganesh's origin

January 27, 2004

I used to think I had it all figured out when I was

just a taoist with buddhist tendencies. I dont understand the birth

of ganesh. Why would Parvati care if Vishnu saw her in the bath? Why

would she create a son to have to battle Vishnu the lord of creation?

She must have had some Idea of what the outcome of that

confrontation would be. Also If Vishnu is so powerful then why was he

so intimidated by Parvati's wrath that he restored Ganapati and

granted him deity status first before all others. And if all gods

are truly one does that mean that the whole drama just took place in

the mind of the Brahman. I would love to hear others opinions and

interpretations of this. Please dont look at my questions as

insulent.

I mean no disrespect .I love sri Ganesh and truly wish to understand

him. I know this must be my path. Why else would I find a beautiful

brass cast 12'' statue of Ganapati for sale in a discount clothing

store for 30$. It was like fate.

Hearing and understanding are to different things. I

hear, now I wish to understand.

Ignorantly yours, James

January 27, 2004

It was not Vishnu who saw her bathing. It was Shiv the

father of Ganesh who was unaware that Ganesh was his

own son.

Lord Shiva has granted boon to Parvati before leaving

for meditation, for a son. Its again a long story how

he was born.

On his return from meditation, he wasnot allowed by

Ganesh to enter the house as PArvati was bathing, then

began a battle between Ganesh and Shiva and Shiva

beheaded Ganesha. After bathing when Parvati came and

saw everything, she told Shiva that he was their son.

SO Lord Shiva ordered his men (GANAS) to bring the

head of living creature which they meet first. They

saw an elephant and they cut the head and it was fixed

on Ganesha's body. On seeing this Parvati protested

that who will pray him. Then Lord Shiva told that from

now onwards he will be the first to be prayed in any

of the prayers or pooja's. There fore Ganesh is said

as Ganapti.

Anup

--- nhraddude71 <nhraddude71 wrote:

> I used to think I had it all figured

> out when I was

> just a taoist with buddhist tendencies. I dont

> understand the birth

> of ganesh. Why would Parvati care if Vishnu saw her

> in the bath? Why

> would she create a son to have to battle Vishnu the

> lord of creation?

> She must have had some Idea of what the outcome of

> that

> confrontation would be. Also If Vishnu is so

> powerful then why was he

> so intimidated by Parvati's wrath that he restored

> Ganapati and

> granted him deity status first before all others.

> And if all gods

> are truly one does that mean that the whole drama

> just took place in

> the mind of the Brahman. I would love to hear others

> opinions and

> interpretations of this. Please dont look at my

> questions as

> insulent.

> I mean no disrespect .I love sri Ganesh and truly

> wish to understand

> him. I know this must be my path. Why else would I

> find a beautiful

> brass cast 12'' statue of Ganapati for sale in a

> discount clothing

> store for 30$. It was like fate.

> Hearing and understanding are to

> different things. I

> hear, now I wish to understand.

>

> Ignorantly yours, James

>

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January 27, 2004

The story I first heard was much different. The story I

heard had all the gods beging for mercy from Parvati and her Devis which

threatend to devoure the gods unless life was returned to Ganesh. A much

different perspective of the story you must

agree. In this story Ganesh was formed by Parvati's shed skin and perfumed oils

molded into the shape of a boy while she was bathing for the sake of having a

gaurd for the door.

Perhaps you can recomend a webst. that tells the true tail.

Thanks James Anup Dave <anupgee > wrote:

It was not Vishnu who saw her bathing. It was Shiv thefather of Ganesh who was

unaware that Ganesh was hisown son.Lord Shiva has granted boon to Parvati

before leavingfor meditation, for a son. Its again a long story howhe was

born.On his return from meditation, he wasnot allowed byGanesh to enter the

house as PArvati was bathing, thenbegan a battle between Ganesh and Shiva and

Shivabeheaded Ganesha. After bathing when Parvati came andsaw everything, she

told Shiva that he was their son.SO Lord Shiva ordered his men (GANAS) to bring

thehead of living creature which they meet first. Theysaw an elephant and they

cut the head and it was fixedon Ganesha's body. On seeing this Parvati

protestedthat who will pray him. Then Lord Shiva told that fromnow onwards he

will be the first to be prayed in anyof the

prayers or pooja's. There fore Ganesh is saidas Ganapti.Anup--- nhraddude71

<nhraddude71 > wrote:> I used to think I had it all

figured> out when I was > just a taoist with buddhist tendencies. I dont>

understand the birth > of ganesh. Why would Parvati care if Vishnu saw her> in

the bath? Why > would she create a son to have to battle Vishnu the> lord of

creation?> She must have had some Idea of what the outcome of> that >

confrontation would be. Also If Vishnu is so> powerful then why was he> so

intimidated by Parvati's wrath that he restored> Ganapati and > granted him

deity status first before all others.> And if all gods > are truly one does

that mean that the whole drama> just took place in > the mind of the Brahman. I

would love to hear

others> opinions and > interpretations of this. Please dont look at my>

questions as > insulent.> I mean no disrespect .I love sri Ganesh and truly>

wish to understand > him. I know this must be my path. Why else would I> find a

beautiful> brass cast 12'' statue of Ganapati for sale in a> discount clothing >

store for 30$. It was like fate.> Hearing and understanding are

to> different things. I > hear, now I wish to understand.> >

Ignorantly yours, James> > Do you

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James if you really want to understand Ganesha, You should begin worship unto

him immediatly if you believe Ganesha is calling unto you then he probably is.

Ganesha is a very mysterious God and one of the greatest I have ever

encountered. I don't believe one Story or Myth is capable of capturing the

essence Of Lord Ganesha. For Lord Ganesha has many beginnings. And he will

reveal himself unto you in time! If you ask him to open your heart your eyes

and your ears unto him he will! Here is a site I have found particularily

interesting where Lord Ganesha is concerned I hope this helps AUM GAM

GANAPATIYA NAMAH

Himalayan Academy

look for the online book "Loving Ganesha" at this site

http://www.himalayanacademy.com

--------------also

if you simply type in Ganesha, Ganesh, Ganapati or add Lord before each one on

any search engine you will find many sites available with info pertaining to

Lord Ganesha but like I said not one story or myth can capture the reality that

is Lord Ganesha he has been worshiped for thousands of years even prior to the

Vedic era when he was worshiped as a Dravidian Trible God.

May Lord Ganesha Bestow his blessings upon you and guide you on your Path.

AUM GAM GANAPATIYA NAMAH

Aaron nhraddude71 <nhraddude71 > wrote:

I used to think I had it all figured out when I was just a taoist

with buddhist tendencies. I dont understand the birth of ganesh. Why would

Parvati care if Vishnu saw her in the bath? Why would she create a son to have

to battle Vishnu the lord of creation?She must have had some Idea of what the

outcome of that confrontation would be. Also If Vishnu is so powerful then why

was heso intimidated by Parvati's wrath that he restored Ganapati and granted

him deity status first before all others. And if all gods are truly one does

that mean that the whole drama just took place in the mind of the Brahman. I

would love to hear others opinions and interpretations of this. Please dont

look at my questions as insulent.I mean no disrespect .I love sri Ganesh and

truly wish

to understand him. I know this must be my path. Why else would I find a

beautifulbrass cast 12'' statue of Ganapati for sale in a discount clothing

store for 30$. It was like fate. Hearing and understanding are to

different things. I hear, now I wish to understand.

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January 27, 2004

In fact I have been meditating on Ganapati for

the last 2 months

on my lunch brake at work along with the yoga excersises I perform before meditation.

I use a 108 bead Mala for spiritual purposes and to keep me from being late

going back to work. To me He is like a boddhisatva. I think of him as

infinitely as large as the universe and small enough to sit in the heart of

every atom of my body existing within me and without me to quote George

Harrison. I am by no meens a perfect buddhist or Ganesh disiple. I have many

human weakness that I have been strugling with like Demons. Since I have

brought Ganesh into my heart It feals like I have a guru within

me trying to help me get past my struggles in life no matter how small they may seem.

Loving Ganesh is not the easiest path for me because for a white American Im

expected to be a Christian by society. I do not know one other person in my

life that gives any respect to Ganesh. They just make fun of his outward form.

All of you at "Om Ganesh"are the only people I really speak freely about these

matters. Everybody else just looks at me like Im crazy for my beliefs. Thank

you for the mantra. I will be sure to use it.

Just for my sake what does aum gam Ganapatiya namah translate into english as.

Much love JamesSkud Thirteen <skud_13 > wrote:

Namaste,