Guest guest Posted November 6, 2002 Report Share Posted November 6, 2002 Jaya Guru Datta, Here is today's saying: "Question: If Moksha is not a state of nothingness and if the Self is not attached to anything, why is the body needed? You say that the body comes from the five natural elements. Because the five elements have been there in the creation always, it has to be said that no one has achieved Moksha till now. If no one has achieved it till now, there is no reason to believe that it can be achieved at all! Why should we bother about something which has neither been achieved till now nor can be achieved in future also? Answer: This question arises only when we say that the body comes only from the five natural elements. What is the use if there is a huge lump of clay? Can a pot come in to existence on its own? Does it not require a potter who can make use of the clay to make the pot? Similarly, it is of no use if only the potter is there and there is no clay. To make a pot, both clay and the potter are required. Both are causes and pot is the effect. In a pot, from whichever direction you may see, you can see only the clay. You can not see the potter. That cause which remains even after the effect manifests is called as ‘Upadana Karana’ (proximate cause). The cause which can not be seen thus is called ‘Nimitta Karana’(instrumental cause). For any Karya (effect), it is not enough if one of the causes is present. Both Upadana and Nimitta causes must be present. Sri Swamiji Lessons in Vedanta - 33 part VIII Bhakti Mala, August 1998 Sri Guru Datta, Swamiji Says ________ Outgrown your current e-mail service? Get 25MB Storage, POP3 Access, Advanced Spam protection with LYCOS MAIL PLUS. http://login.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus&ref=lmtplus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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