God does not play dice

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Sri:

Srimathe Ramanujaya nama:

 

Dear Devotees,

Salutations to you all. Science has its own limitations. It

helps, to some extent, to argue logically to convince others. Beyond

that it carries no weightage because logic is not life. Westerners

have a disadvantage as their religion does not account for karma and

let alone the hi-fi vEdAnta. Buddhism is okay from the aspect of

karma but it doesn't recognize the "supreme brahman". Sorry I made a

mistake when I quoted about Buddha AvatAra(Canto 1,chapter 3(not

2),text 24). But we are fortunate to have been born as or become a

SriVaiSNavaite. It's a God-given oppurtunity for salvation. Many

great kind hearted people were/are atheist/agnostic. WRT this type of

people and a prapatti,let us look at the Gita BhASya text 7:19,

 

bahUnAm janmanAm anthE j~nAnavAn mAm prapadhyatE |

vAsudEva: sarvam ithi sa mahAthmA sudhurlabha: ||

 

Meaning:This prapatti or resorting to God presupposes the knowledge

that the atman is essentially a sesa of God and therefore it appears

only after many auspicious births. Moreover,one will rarely meet a

person in this owrld who after many virtuous lives has come to know

that it is his sole essence to be a sesa of God, Who is the Supreme

One on account of His innumerable auspicious qualities and with this

knowledge resorts to God to worship Him,reflecting that for these

reasons God alone is the highest attainable end and that God is

everything which makes him resort to God and everything he may wish

for himself.

 

Why do we need to go to schools/colleges and universities in the

first place? Why can't we learn at home itself? For each and every

field,there is an expert. We learn to speak the language(Tamizh/

English/Deutsche/Francais)from the mother as the first teacher(there

is nothing called father/vater but only mother/mutter tongue!).

No one can claim that he/she has obtained knowledge on his/her own

(including Nobel Laureates). EVeryone must have had a guru/AcArya at

some point in his/her lifetime. In this materialistic world,to

support oneself and to earn our bread and butter,we go to schools and

univs to pursue our studies(depends on economic conditions as well).

 

Due to one's own karma on one side and Lord's grace on the other,one

may realize,in this birth itself,the true nature of the soul's

relationship with the paramAtma. As an example, one may plan ahead

one's trip to New York(any other place)and what all one needs to take

care of before and after the trip. When one stretches this "brief"

time interval "really" far enough,then one is faced with the question:

"where/what was/will I(be) before birth and after death?" In terms of

physics one may introduce a state vector to analyze the system before

birth and after death(but willn't lead us anywhere!).

 

WHen such questions arise,man turns himself towards the knowledge of

the self and God. Since this is Ramanuja forum,we are not bothered

about the "jIvan mukti" but only "mOksa" and hence we straightaway go

to SaraNAgati to God. Does a man put an effort to reach this state?

NO. There are so many hard core brainy physicists whose minds

are,atleast for a brief time,touched by God;Yet they didn't dive deep

into the issues of God! Unless His grace is there,one can not even

come to this state(Cf SriRamanuja's GBh 7th chapter 19),it happens

after many auspicious births. The easiest way for the soul to realize

Him is through "arca" worship. Why?(see the next post)

 

If I have to master "theory of relativity" on my own then I will

take "my own" time. But if I go to a Professor/AcArya who is an

expert in that field,he can impart the "true" knowledge in a short

time. Moreover,the probability of my understanding/interpreting the

author "correctly" by reading books is only 50-50(viparIta j~nAnam).

This explains the need of "AchArya Sambandham".

 

Why should we go to temples/Divya Desams?

One may argue that one can do worship at home itself(leisurely) and

hence there is no need to go to the temple/DD for worship. Can anyone

concentrate on physics/math/poetry or meditate sitting next to a loud

speaker? No, because the atmosphere is not conducive!

 

Similarly,worship at home(dozen calls will be coming while chanting

to distract the mind! and this is only one type of distraction)is not

as "effective and conducive" as doing worship in temples. Even if we

assume that all are bhaktimAns(at home),temple/Divya Desam worship is

more favorable than worship at home because of the sanctity attached

to the Divya Desams. One can pray from anywhere but to receive His

blessings one has to go to the respective temples. Analogously,one

can post letters from any postbox,but one can't revieve letters from

any postbox(all of us have assigned mail boxes). Just as one would

require the knowledge of "Tensor Analysis and Differential Geometry"

as a pre-requisite for "Theory of Relativity",all one requires is the

desire/love not for mundane things but God as a pre-requisite for the

devotional service to Him. When Parikshit knew he was going to die in

a week's time,he asked SukAcArya to narrate the entire Srimad

BhAgavatham. Hence there is a need for DD/temple worship.

 

For an illustration,a friend of mine(PhD,a theist) said that he

reserves God and stuffs like bhaja gOvindam for post-sixty period. I

told him that the famous "Uncertainty Principle" of Werner

Heisenberg enters the scene and asked him what's the certainty

or guarantee that he is going to be alive till then. He told me that

I was being cruel and hitting hard at him. This reminds me of

Wolfgang Pauli(German Physicist) and like to quote him.

 

Pauli spared none(with the exception of his own advisor Sommerfeld)

and had such a biting tongue that his mere presence in Germany would

make all the measurements go wrong! He even made a blatant statement:

 

"Einstein does not know Relativity and Einstein(proponent of RT)

humbly remarked: Yes only after reading Pauli's book on Relativity I

understand my own subject better".

 

Last but not the least,don't exclude scientists from prides and

prejudices. They can be as conservative(stick to old ideas) and as

gullible as any ordinary human beings.

 

So reflecting back on PiLLAn's milk analogy(when he paraphrases

NammAzhvAr),let this forum foster(through the blessings of AchArya

Sri Ramanuja and bhAgavatAs)good qualities in us(we don't need to

put any effort).

 

AzhvAr EmperumAnAr Jeeyar TiruvadigaLE saraNam

nappinnai

[Guest guest]

Dear smt.Napinnai,

 

Adiyen has been an ardent follower of your articles for quite some time.

 

Adiyen is wonderstuck by your logical analysis of bringing out conculsions in

favour of our ramanuja siddhantham against the limitations of science. With

this experience, adiyen even forgot that, I have to send out an appreciative

mail, which keeps the ball rolling. It greatly instigates the enthusiasim in us

to futher dwell into the deep arthas of our Siddhantham. Your logical

interpretation of terminologies like "karma", moksha etc, were a treat to read.

 

May emperuman shower his grace on you for many more such kainkaryams.(which

he is already doing, as he has made you to write the articles and made a baddha

jeevathma like me to enjoy him through your articles)

 

Azhwar Emperumaanar Jeeyar Thiruvadigale Saranam,

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan,

Varadarajan

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vaidhehi_nc <nappinnai_nc wrote:Sri:

Srimathe Ramanujaya nama:

 

Dear Devotees,

Salutations to you all. Science has its own limitations. It

helps, to some extent, to argue logically to convince others. Beyond

that it carries no weightage because logic is not life. Westerners

have a disadvantage as their religion does not account for karma and

let alone the hi-fi vEdAnta......

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