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Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:22:29 -0700 (PDT)Vrndavan Parker

<vrnparker >athiesm:the most violent genocidal doctrineTo:

vy (AT) list (DOT) gurukuli.com

Hi all,

First I wanted to say, if anything in this message seems atagonistic, it is not

aimed at anyone here. Its aimed at the overall crap I have dealt with in media

and academia.

many great points are made here. just wanted to add that though there are

fanatic christians/krishnas/muslims etc the overall reality is that the

academic and mainstream is completely dominated by fanatic atheistic theories

of evolution, history and civilization.

So Im surprised that people ignore the fact that non-religious doctrines re;the

most crucial issues have become the enforced fanatical doctrine of the modern

age. In an academic or social environment, When it comes to evolution, faith or

abortion one is forced to submit to the atheistic oppression of a entrenched

acedamia. anyone daring to suggest opposing views is at best considered out of

touch with reality.

If one looks to the recent history of the world, you see that most genocidal,

destructive and dysfunctional systems are the atheistic based systems. whetehr

it is Stalin's (over 100 mil murdered), Mao (over 60 mil murdered), Hitler (over

8 mil murdered) Pol Pot (approx 3 mil Murdered) Maoist in Nepal (approx 15,000

murdered and continuing) Naxalites in India (Over 20,000 murdered and

continuing) The massive destruction of China's, Tibets's, Mongolia's and

Central Asia's Buddhist and Vedic temples, monastaries, libraries etc. was all

done by atheistic governments. The past violence of the Christains and Muslims

does not come close to the atheist's body count.

So in short,powers that be that control our media, academia have formulated an

agenda that is dedicated to divorcing humanity from God and Spirituality. This

agenda was developed in the 1800s and its leading doctrine is darwinism,

eugenics and a new religion called science. Combined with the 1-2 sucker

punches of agressive capitalism and dehumanizing communism, those in positions

of power thus have a strangle hold on humanity.

The biggest threat to their power is that millions of people believe in God and

are committed to some form of traditional society. So by unproven atheistic

theories being presented as fact, the young are disempowered and they lose

respect for their elders and ancient traditions that are contradictory to the

supposed 'facts.' In this way they become maleable and perfect targets for

aggressive consumerism and disempowering forms of employment.

As Govinda correctly points out, these scientific theories are constantly

flip-flopping, changing or should I say 'EVOLVING.' The Divine doctrines spec

the Vedic/hindu are a much better fit to the principles of logic, reason and

scientific investigation becasue its basis is unchanging. Whereas the modern

'THEORIES' are presented as fact, in a fanatical, blind and dogmatic way that

would put any bible-thumper to shame.

I first admit I didnt read all the pointrs made but I must ask a question.

my question is this," Why are any of you supportive of the ongoing and

institutionalized destruction of humanities connection with its glorious past?

The ultimate goal of the theory of evolution and mass abortions is to destroy

our connection to divinity. Why do you support a doctrine that has already

revealed its destructive, inhumane and unscientific nature? Though the

Christian creation story is a little simplistic, I dont see it to be any more

dangerous and destructive than an enforced doctrine that demands dogmatic

subserviance from humanity. It is moving us towards a goal that has nothing

more to offer than a society based on self-aggrandizement.

Finally, though not directly related to evolution, I bring up the proof that

ancient humans acheived the greatest hieghts of civilization. Civilizations

that were based completely on science but were also devoutly spiritual.

What is the proof? The numerous unexplainable ancient structures. The geometry

of these structures can not even be duplicated in a computer what to speak of

expalining how these structures were built. The other evidence is the thousands

of vedic scriptures that were developped at a time when humans supposedly had

no correct understanding of science. Yet somehow, the vedic scriptures are

repeatedly verified to be scientifically accurate.

All these ancient wonders are screaming out to us," NO YOU DIDNT COME FROM

MONKEYS. NO. CVILIZATION, RATHER THAN BEGINNING 5000 YRS AGO, CIVILIZATION

ACTUALLY BEGAN DECLINING 5000 YRS AGO. And finally they are shouting," WE

ANCIENTS WERE SO ADVANCED THAT, UNLIKE YOU MONKEY-WANNA-BES, WE DIDNT HAVE TO

SCAR, RAPE AND DETROY THE ENVIRONMENT TO HAVE A CIVILIZATION.

Also I disagree with the idea that there is no scientific proof that there is a

God. There are degrees of proof and God and the Godly have proven that there is

a God beyond any doubt. You always have your free-will to word juggle or ignore

the evidence but that does not dis-qualify the fact that God is real. Since He

is real, we can find our answers by refering to Him and you know what, I'll

take His conclusion any day over some British Racist who developped the Theory

of evolution.

Lets have a little respect for the ancients. Just as we can discuss and

research, these people have done the same for thousands of years. Lets stop

acting as if no one in the past had any valid experiances. Lets stop swallowing

the toxic waste called modern education that has a vested interested in

convincing us that we have no past and that our future will only be good if we

just trust in science.

 

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Hari Bolo Vrndavan Parker Prabhu!

Please accept my obeisances. All glories to Sri Guru & Sri Gauranga.

You have made several excellent points in this article. Thank you for

doing the research and putting all the facts in one tidy place. I have copied

your letter into my research note and will probably draw from it in my future

AVA articles and newsletters. Very Well Done. Thank you.

I have also been requesting if anyone has a similarly tidy compilation of

the absolute authority of the Gita. Srila Prabhupada has mentioned this

throughout his books and provided several arguments in his purports... but has

anyone compile all these pieces of information together to show how the Gita is

the most reliable authority for our guidance in Kali yuga? Many people seem to

think the Shiva Purana, Pantanjalies' Yoga sutras, the Avaduta Gita or the

writings of the Siek acaryas are more relevant. Some hare core new age groups

discount ALL sacred literature as mundane works and don't consider the Gita

anything more then a romantic myth.

If there is no comprehensive paper currently available on this subject,

perhaps someone can put it together and make it available? If not... then

eventually I will take on this task when I retire but it is long over due now.

Hoping this meets you in good spirits and enthusiastically engaged in the service of Lord Krishna.

Your Servant,

mayesvara dasa American Vedic Association Home Of

Jagannatha 687 Villanova Road Clock, Umbrella, & Jewelry

Ojai California, 93023 (805) 640-0405 md @ jagannatha.com -----Original

Message-----vediculture

[vediculture]On Behalf Of Vrndavan ParkerMonday,

August 29, 2005 12:54vediculture;

hinduthoughtSubject: [world-vedic] athiesm:the most violent

genocidal doctrine

Vrndavan Parker <vrnparker > wrote: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:22:29

-0700 (PDT)Vrndavan Parker <vrnparker >athiesm:the most

violent genocidal doctrinevy (AT) list (DOT) gurukuli.com

Hi all,

First I wanted to say, if anything in this message seems atagonistic, it is not

aimed at anyone here. Its aimed at the overall crap I have dealt with in media

and academia.

many great points are made here. just wanted to add that though there are

fanatic christians/krishnas/muslims etc the overall reality is that the

academic and mainstream is completely dominated by fanatic atheistic theories

of evolution, history and civilization.

So Im surprised that people ignore the fact that non-religious doctrines re;the

most crucial issues have become the enforced fanatical doctrine of the modern

age. In an academic or social environment, When it comes to evolution, faith or

abortion one is forced to submit to the atheistic oppression of a entrenched

acedamia. anyone daring to suggest opposing views is at best considered out of

touch with reality.

If one looks to the recent history of the world, you see that most genocidal,

destructive and dysfunctional systems are the atheistic based systems. whetehr

it is Stalin's (over 100 mil murdered), Mao (over 60 mil murdered), Hitler (over

8 mil murdered) Pol Pot (approx 3 mil Murdered) Maoist in Nepal (approx 15,000

murdered and continuing) Naxalites in India (Over 20,000 murdered and

continuing) The massive destruction of China's, Tibets's, Mongolia's and

Central Asia's Buddhist and Vedic temples, monastaries, libraries etc. was all

done by atheistic governments. The past violence of the Christains and Muslims

does not come close to the atheist's body count.

So in short,powers that be that control our media, academia have formulated an

agenda that is dedicated to divorcing humanity from God and Spirituality. This

agenda was developed in the 1800s and its leading doctrine is darwinism,

eugenics and a new religion called science. Combined with the 1-2 sucker

punches of agressive capitalism and dehumanizing communism, those in positions

of power thus have a strangle hold on humanity.

The biggest threat to their power is that millions of people believe in God and

are committed to some form of traditional society. So by unproven atheistic

theories being presented as fact, the young are disempowered and they lose

respect for their elders and ancient traditions that are contradictory to the

supposed 'facts.' In this way they become maleable and perfect targets for

aggressive consumerism and disempowering forms of employment.

As Govinda correctly points out, these scientific theories are constantly

flip-flopping, changing or should I say 'EVOLVING.' The Divine doctrines spec

the Vedic/hindu are a much better fit to the principles of logic, reason and

scientific investigation becasue its basis is unchanging. Whereas the modern

'THEORIES' are presented as fact, in a fanatical, blind and dogmatic way that

would put any bible-thumper to shame.

I first admit I didnt read all the pointrs made but I must ask a question.

my question is this," Why are any of you supportive of the ongoing and

institutionalized destruction of humanities connection with its glorious past?

The ultimate goal of the theory of evolution and mass abortions is to destroy

our connection to divinity. Why do you support a doctrine that has already

revealed its destructive, inhumane and unscientific nature? Though the

Christian creation story is a little simplistic, I dont see it to be any more

dangerous and destructive than an enforced doctrine that demands dogmatic

subserviance from humanity. It is moving us towards a goal that has nothing

more to offer than a society based on self-aggrandizement.

Finally, though not directly related to evolution, I bring up the proof that

ancient humans acheived the greatest hieghts of civilization. Civilizations

that were based completely on science but were also devoutly spiritual.

What is the proof? The numerous unexplainable ancient structures. The geometry

of these structures can not even be duplicated in a computer what to speak of

expalining how these structures were built. The other evidence is the thousands

of vedic scriptures that were developped at a time when humans supposedly had

no correct understanding of science. Yet somehow, the vedic scriptures are

repeatedly verified to be scientifically accurate.

All these ancient wonders are screaming out to us," NO YOU DIDNT COME FROM

MONKEYS. NO. CVILIZATION, RATHER THAN BEGINNING 5000 YRS AGO, CIVILIZATION

ACTUALLY BEGAN DECLINING 5000 YRS AGO. And finally they are shouting," WE

ANCIENTS WERE SO ADVANCED THAT, UNLIKE YOU MONKEY-WANNA-BES, WE DIDNT HAVE TO

SCAR, RAPE AND DETROY THE ENVIRONMENT TO HAVE A CIVILIZATION.

Also I disagree with the idea that there is no scientific proof that there is a

God. There are degrees of proof and God and the Godly have proven that there is

a God beyond any doubt. You always have your free-will to word juggle or ignore

the evidence but that does not dis-qualify the fact that God is real. Since He

is real, we can find our answers by refering to Him and you know what, I'll

take His conclusion any day over some British Racist who developped the Theory

of evolution.

Lets have a little respect for the ancients. Just as we can discuss and

research, these people have done the same for thousands of years. Lets stop

acting as if no one in the past had any valid experiances. Lets stop swallowing

the toxic waste called modern education that has a vested interested in

convincing us that we have no past and that our future will only be good if we

just trust in science.

 

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