Guest guest Posted August 29, 2005 Report Share Posted August 29, 2005 Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:22:29 -0700 (PDT)Vrndavan Parker <vrnparker >athiesm:the most violent genocidal doctrineTo: vy (AT) list (DOT) gurukuli.com Hi all, First I wanted to say, if anything in this message seems atagonistic, it is not aimed at anyone here. Its aimed at the overall crap I have dealt with in media and academia. many great points are made here. just wanted to add that though there are fanatic christians/krishnas/muslims etc the overall reality is that the academic and mainstream is completely dominated by fanatic atheistic theories of evolution, history and civilization. So Im surprised that people ignore the fact that non-religious doctrines re;the most crucial issues have become the enforced fanatical doctrine of the modern age. In an academic or social environment, When it comes to evolution, faith or abortion one is forced to submit to the atheistic oppression of a entrenched acedamia. anyone daring to suggest opposing views is at best considered out of touch with reality. If one looks to the recent history of the world, you see that most genocidal, destructive and dysfunctional systems are the atheistic based systems. whetehr it is Stalin's (over 100 mil murdered), Mao (over 60 mil murdered), Hitler (over 8 mil murdered) Pol Pot (approx 3 mil Murdered) Maoist in Nepal (approx 15,000 murdered and continuing) Naxalites in India (Over 20,000 murdered and continuing) The massive destruction of China's, Tibets's, Mongolia's and Central Asia's Buddhist and Vedic temples, monastaries, libraries etc. was all done by atheistic governments. The past violence of the Christains and Muslims does not come close to the atheist's body count. So in short,powers that be that control our media, academia have formulated an agenda that is dedicated to divorcing humanity from God and Spirituality. This agenda was developed in the 1800s and its leading doctrine is darwinism, eugenics and a new religion called science. Combined with the 1-2 sucker punches of agressive capitalism and dehumanizing communism, those in positions of power thus have a strangle hold on humanity. The biggest threat to their power is that millions of people believe in God and are committed to some form of traditional society. So by unproven atheistic theories being presented as fact, the young are disempowered and they lose respect for their elders and ancient traditions that are contradictory to the supposed 'facts.' In this way they become maleable and perfect targets for aggressive consumerism and disempowering forms of employment. As Govinda correctly points out, these scientific theories are constantly flip-flopping, changing or should I say 'EVOLVING.' The Divine doctrines spec the Vedic/hindu are a much better fit to the principles of logic, reason and scientific investigation becasue its basis is unchanging. Whereas the modern 'THEORIES' are presented as fact, in a fanatical, blind and dogmatic way that would put any bible-thumper to shame. I first admit I didnt read all the pointrs made but I must ask a question. my question is this," Why are any of you supportive of the ongoing and institutionalized destruction of humanities connection with its glorious past? The ultimate goal of the theory of evolution and mass abortions is to destroy our connection to divinity. Why do you support a doctrine that has already revealed its destructive, inhumane and unscientific nature? Though the Christian creation story is a little simplistic, I dont see it to be any more dangerous and destructive than an enforced doctrine that demands dogmatic subserviance from humanity. It is moving us towards a goal that has nothing more to offer than a society based on self-aggrandizement. Finally, though not directly related to evolution, I bring up the proof that ancient humans acheived the greatest hieghts of civilization. Civilizations that were based completely on science but were also devoutly spiritual. What is the proof? The numerous unexplainable ancient structures. The geometry of these structures can not even be duplicated in a computer what to speak of expalining how these structures were built. The other evidence is the thousands of vedic scriptures that were developped at a time when humans supposedly had no correct understanding of science. Yet somehow, the vedic scriptures are repeatedly verified to be scientifically accurate. All these ancient wonders are screaming out to us," NO YOU DIDNT COME FROM MONKEYS. NO. CVILIZATION, RATHER THAN BEGINNING 5000 YRS AGO, CIVILIZATION ACTUALLY BEGAN DECLINING 5000 YRS AGO. And finally they are shouting," WE ANCIENTS WERE SO ADVANCED THAT, UNLIKE YOU MONKEY-WANNA-BES, WE DIDNT HAVE TO SCAR, RAPE AND DETROY THE ENVIRONMENT TO HAVE A CIVILIZATION. Also I disagree with the idea that there is no scientific proof that there is a God. There are degrees of proof and God and the Godly have proven that there is a God beyond any doubt. You always have your free-will to word juggle or ignore the evidence but that does not dis-qualify the fact that God is real. Since He is real, we can find our answers by refering to Him and you know what, I'll take His conclusion any day over some British Racist who developped the Theory of evolution. Lets have a little respect for the ancients. Just as we can discuss and research, these people have done the same for thousands of years. Lets stop acting as if no one in the past had any valid experiances. Lets stop swallowing the toxic waste called modern education that has a vested interested in convincing us that we have no past and that our future will only be good if we just trust in science. Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Start your day with - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Hari Bolo Vrndavan Parker Prabhu! Please accept my obeisances. All glories to Sri Guru & Sri Gauranga. You have made several excellent points in this article. Thank you for doing the research and putting all the facts in one tidy place. I have copied your letter into my research note and will probably draw from it in my future AVA articles and newsletters. Very Well Done. Thank you. I have also been requesting if anyone has a similarly tidy compilation of the absolute authority of the Gita. Srila Prabhupada has mentioned this throughout his books and provided several arguments in his purports... but has anyone compile all these pieces of information together to show how the Gita is the most reliable authority for our guidance in Kali yuga? Many people seem to think the Shiva Purana, Pantanjalies' Yoga sutras, the Avaduta Gita or the writings of the Siek acaryas are more relevant. Some hare core new age groups discount ALL sacred literature as mundane works and don't consider the Gita anything more then a romantic myth. If there is no comprehensive paper currently available on this subject, perhaps someone can put it together and make it available? If not... then eventually I will take on this task when I retire but it is long over due now. Hoping this meets you in good spirits and enthusiastically engaged in the service of Lord Krishna. Your Servant, mayesvara dasa American Vedic Association Home Of Jagannatha 687 Villanova Road Clock, Umbrella, & Jewelry Ojai California, 93023 (805) 640-0405 md @ jagannatha.com -----Original Message-----vediculture [vediculture]On Behalf Of Vrndavan ParkerMonday, August 29, 2005 12:54vediculture; hinduthoughtSubject: [world-vedic] athiesm:the most violent genocidal doctrine Vrndavan Parker <vrnparker > wrote: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:22:29 -0700 (PDT)Vrndavan Parker <vrnparker >athiesm:the most violent genocidal doctrinevy (AT) list (DOT) gurukuli.com Hi all, First I wanted to say, if anything in this message seems atagonistic, it is not aimed at anyone here. Its aimed at the overall crap I have dealt with in media and academia. many great points are made here. just wanted to add that though there are fanatic christians/krishnas/muslims etc the overall reality is that the academic and mainstream is completely dominated by fanatic atheistic theories of evolution, history and civilization. So Im surprised that people ignore the fact that non-religious doctrines re;the most crucial issues have become the enforced fanatical doctrine of the modern age. In an academic or social environment, When it comes to evolution, faith or abortion one is forced to submit to the atheistic oppression of a entrenched acedamia. anyone daring to suggest opposing views is at best considered out of touch with reality. If one looks to the recent history of the world, you see that most genocidal, destructive and dysfunctional systems are the atheistic based systems. whetehr it is Stalin's (over 100 mil murdered), Mao (over 60 mil murdered), Hitler (over 8 mil murdered) Pol Pot (approx 3 mil Murdered) Maoist in Nepal (approx 15,000 murdered and continuing) Naxalites in India (Over 20,000 murdered and continuing) The massive destruction of China's, Tibets's, Mongolia's and Central Asia's Buddhist and Vedic temples, monastaries, libraries etc. was all done by atheistic governments. The past violence of the Christains and Muslims does not come close to the atheist's body count. So in short,powers that be that control our media, academia have formulated an agenda that is dedicated to divorcing humanity from God and Spirituality. This agenda was developed in the 1800s and its leading doctrine is darwinism, eugenics and a new religion called science. Combined with the 1-2 sucker punches of agressive capitalism and dehumanizing communism, those in positions of power thus have a strangle hold on humanity. The biggest threat to their power is that millions of people believe in God and are committed to some form of traditional society. So by unproven atheistic theories being presented as fact, the young are disempowered and they lose respect for their elders and ancient traditions that are contradictory to the supposed 'facts.' In this way they become maleable and perfect targets for aggressive consumerism and disempowering forms of employment. As Govinda correctly points out, these scientific theories are constantly flip-flopping, changing or should I say 'EVOLVING.' The Divine doctrines spec the Vedic/hindu are a much better fit to the principles of logic, reason and scientific investigation becasue its basis is unchanging. Whereas the modern 'THEORIES' are presented as fact, in a fanatical, blind and dogmatic way that would put any bible-thumper to shame. I first admit I didnt read all the pointrs made but I must ask a question. my question is this," Why are any of you supportive of the ongoing and institutionalized destruction of humanities connection with its glorious past? The ultimate goal of the theory of evolution and mass abortions is to destroy our connection to divinity. Why do you support a doctrine that has already revealed its destructive, inhumane and unscientific nature? Though the Christian creation story is a little simplistic, I dont see it to be any more dangerous and destructive than an enforced doctrine that demands dogmatic subserviance from humanity. It is moving us towards a goal that has nothing more to offer than a society based on self-aggrandizement. Finally, though not directly related to evolution, I bring up the proof that ancient humans acheived the greatest hieghts of civilization. Civilizations that were based completely on science but were also devoutly spiritual. What is the proof? The numerous unexplainable ancient structures. The geometry of these structures can not even be duplicated in a computer what to speak of expalining how these structures were built. The other evidence is the thousands of vedic scriptures that were developped at a time when humans supposedly had no correct understanding of science. Yet somehow, the vedic scriptures are repeatedly verified to be scientifically accurate. All these ancient wonders are screaming out to us," NO YOU DIDNT COME FROM MONKEYS. NO. CVILIZATION, RATHER THAN BEGINNING 5000 YRS AGO, CIVILIZATION ACTUALLY BEGAN DECLINING 5000 YRS AGO. And finally they are shouting," WE ANCIENTS WERE SO ADVANCED THAT, UNLIKE YOU MONKEY-WANNA-BES, WE DIDNT HAVE TO SCAR, RAPE AND DETROY THE ENVIRONMENT TO HAVE A CIVILIZATION. Also I disagree with the idea that there is no scientific proof that there is a God. There are degrees of proof and God and the Godly have proven that there is a God beyond any doubt. You always have your free-will to word juggle or ignore the evidence but that does not dis-qualify the fact that God is real. Since He is real, we can find our answers by refering to Him and you know what, I'll take His conclusion any day over some British Racist who developped the Theory of evolution. Lets have a little respect for the ancients. Just as we can discuss and research, these people have done the same for thousands of years. Lets stop acting as if no one in the past had any valid experiances. Lets stop swallowing the toxic waste called modern education that has a vested interested in convincing us that we have no past and that our future will only be good if we just trust in science. Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Start your day with - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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