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what happened to the rest of the newsletter/digest

 

 

 

At 03:02 p.m. 07/12/2005 +0000, you wrote:

>There are 11 messages in this issue.

>

>Topics in this digest:

>

> 1. AVA Newsletter & Truth

> Vrndavan Parker <vrnparker

> 2. Mercury Retrograde once again

> Vrndavan Parker <vrnparker

> 3. Call for Participation: HEC 2005, Houston, TX (V.R.N. Parker)

> Vrndavan Parker <vrnparker

> 4. The Hindu art of self-hate

> "Vrn Davan" <vaidika1008

> 5. Jyotish Studio 3 available now

> "Vrn Davan" <vaidika1008

> 6. African Gray Parrot Grasps Zero Concept

> "vrnparker" <vrnparker

> 7. Salabega:A Muslim devotee of Krishna

> "vrnparker" <vrnparker

> 8. Nixon:I want to piss on the Indians

> "vrnparker" <vrnparker

> 9. Cow meat traced in five Delhi's meat-processing units

> "vrnparker" <vrnparker

> 10. RSS rescues Christian priests

> "vrnparker" <vrnparker

> 11. Snake dies after biting brahmin

> "vrnparker" <vrnparker

>

>

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>Message: 1

> Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:31:57 -0700 (PDT)

> Vrndavan Parker <vrnparker

>AVA Newsletter & Truth

>

>

>

>"Roberts, William NAVSEA"

><william.roberts wrote:AVA Newsletter & Truth

>Fri, 8 Jul 2005 16:36:13 -0700

>"Roberts, William NAVSEA" <william.roberts

><ojaichiro

>

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>

> Thank you for clarifying what is was

> that you objected to so strongly to in the June

> 16/21 issue of the AVA newsletter entitled

> “Derailed by Silent Meditation”. I now

> understand that you feel the points I made were

> misleading and “…as far from the truth as (

> you/I ) could get.” I welcome the concerns of

> those who challenge the veracity of what I

> write and now you have provided a bit more

> clarity regarding what it is you take issue

> with. While this is helpful, it still remains

> unclear what your source of “…The Truth” is by

> which you base your objections on.

>

> You are certainly educated enough to

> realize that my article was intentionally

> written to provoke the reader into

> reconsidering their current understanding of

> Silent Meditation. Needless to say, there are

> many who apparently believe that the ability to

> sit silently is a symptom of a high stage of

> transcendence. The purpose of my article

> was to raise the question: “What is that

> practice based on?” Asking this question will

> automatically lead to the more encompassing

> issue: “Who do you accept as a reliable source

> for understanding what is true?”

>

> That seems to be at the heart of why you

> feel I am misleading people. There are many

> individuals claiming to know the truth who also

> promote silent meditation as some type of

> spiritual “Cure-All” but is that

> recommendation based on anything more then their own empirical speculation?

>

> Many so-called teachers climb to prominence

> simply because they convince a lot of people

> that they have something meaningful to

> say. But is that all it takes to become a

> Guru? Tom Metzger is a very charismatic person

> who convinced thousands of people that his

> philosophy of White Aryan Resistance, (more

> commonly known as the Neo-Nazi movement),

> embodies the highest truth regarding who we

> should associate with! But is what he says

> good advice simply because he says it's true

> and a buch of arrogant, snotty, spoild, trailer-trash drop-out kids agree?

>

> As for myself; I have found that all of

> the big questions about life are nicely

> explained in the Bhagavad Gita. This scripture

> has not only withstood the test of time, but it

> is lauded by some of the greatest personalities

> that every walked on the face of this

> earth. (See attached document) I therefore go

> to great lengths to make sure that the articles

> I write are firmly based on that highly revered

> text. Of course, despite how earnestly I try

> to do that, I too am prone to mistakes. So if

> you feel I have misrepresented what Krishna

> teaches in the Bhagavad Gita, then please

> explain what your criticism is based on. If

> you draw your references from some other source

> then that is where our disagreement lies, not

> in the veracity of what Krishna says. For the

> most part objective readers concur that what I

> share in the AVA newsletter is an accurate

> representation of what Lord Krishna taught Arjuna.

>

> In fact because of space constraints, I

> can usually only draw from a few references to

> support my position and that was also true in

> my discussion about what what meditation is all

> about. There is actually a lot of material

> that reveals what Krishna’s opinion is about

> meditation and it all indicates that if it does

> not include the chanting of God’s Holy name, is

> not really very useful. For example in chapter

> ten of the Gita entitled “The Oppulence of the

> Absolute” Krishna clearly states that chanting

> Gods holy name is the recommended sacrifice, (discipline) for a yogi.

>

>“Of the great sages I am Bhrgu; of vibrations I

>am the transcendental om. Of sacrifices I am the

>chanting of the holy names [japa], and of

>immovable things I am the Himalayas.” ­ Bhagavad

>Gita As It Is; Chapter.10, “The Oppulence of The Absolute”, Text 25

>

> Later Krishna also confirms that

> historically the brahmans have always honored

> Him with the vibration of “Om, Tat Sat” and

> other Vedic Hymns. (That always include the names of God.)

>

>“From the beginning of creation, the three

>syllables--om tat sat--have been used to

>indicate the Supreme Absolute Truth [brahman].

>They were uttered by brahmanas while chanting

>Vedic hymns and during sacrifices, for the

>satisfaction of the Supreme”.- Bhagavad Gita As It Is; Chapter. 17. 23

>

> If all this doesn’t make you think twice

> about the futility of “Silent Meditation” then consider this;

>

>“That sacrifice performed in defiance of

>scriptural injunctions, in which no spiritual

>food is distributed, no hymns are chanted and no

>remunerations are made to the priests, and which

>is faithless--that sacrifice if of the nature of

>ignorance(!) - Bhagavad Gita As It Is; Chapter.

>17 “The Divisions of Faith” - Text13

>

> There are also hundreds of references in

> the Srimad Bhagavata Purana, considered to be

> the “Ripened Fruit of All Vedic Teachings,” by

> highly realized sages that unambiguously

> declare the extraordinarily power of chanting

> Gods Name. Here is just one of many:

>

>"O my Lord, a person who is chanting Your holy

>name, although born of a low family like that of

>a candala [dog-eater] is situated on the highest

>platform of self-realization. Such a person must

>have performed all kinds of penances and

>sacrifices according to Vedic rituals and

>studied the Vedic literatures many, many times

>after taking his bath in all the holy places of

>pilgrimage. Such a person is considered to be

>the best of the Aryan family." ­ Srimad

>BhagavatPurana, Canto 3. Chapter 33. Text 7.

>

>Finally there is the definitive proclamation in

>the Brhan-naradiya Purana, that Lord Sri

>Caitanya Mahaprabhu based his world wide

>revolutionary Sankirtana movement on 500 years

>ago. That sacred Purana (Truth) clearly states

>that in the Kali-yuga (the present age) when

>people in general are short-lived, slow in

>spiritual realization and always disturbed by

>various anxieties, the best means of spiritual

>realization is chanting the holy name of the Lord.

>

> harer nama harer nama · harer namaiva kevalam

> kalau nasty eva nasty eva · nasty eva gatir anyatha

>

>"In this age of quarrel and hypocrisy the only

>means of deliverance is chanting the holy name

>of the Lord. There is no other way. There is no

>other way. There is no other way."

>

> In every bar across America there is a

> drunk who will swear that they are telling you

> the truth. Despite how insistent they may be,

> we both know that they are just highly

> conditioned fools with their own distorted

> opinions. It is therefore incumbent on each of

> us to carefully consider from whom we are

> getting our information. If we fail to be

> vigilant about that one point, we run the risk

> of sounding just as silly as the proverbial drunk on the corner.

>

>It is my wish that this letter will inspire you

>to open your mind to the Vedic siddhanta, which

>is what all or my AVA letters are based on

>including the one entitled “Derailed by Silent

>Meditation.” Then I hope you will reconsider

>joining the conversation that many throughout

>the Ventura county are appreciating and gaining

>new insights from on the most important subjects

>which are of interest to all of us.

>

>I wish to remain your friend and well-wisher in the service of Lord Krishna.

>

>

>William Roberts

>Director

>American Vedic Association

>Dispel the Darkness of Ignorance With the

>Torchlight of Knowledge! - Bg. 10.11

>687 Villanova Road

>Ojai California, 93023

>(805) 640-0405 ava @ jagannatha.com

>

>Bhagavad Gita As It Is

>Sanskrit, Mantra, Kirtan, Prasadam

>

>

>Charles Wray [ojaichiro]

>Saturday, July 02, 2005 7:34

>Roberts, William NAVSEA

>RE: Apology

>

>

>

>Bill, your comments on silent meditation was as

>far from the truth as you can get.

>

>

>

>

>Roberts, William NAVSEA [william.roberts]

>Friday, July 01, 2005 9:42 AM

>ojaichiro

>Apology

>

>

>

> Charles,

>

>

>

>

>

> I was quite surprised to receive

> your recent request to be removed from the AVA

> newsletter. From the conversations we have

> shared your name just doesn't seem to fit on

> the same list as those who make up less then 2%

> of the individuals who ask to from

> a list of hundreds. You may feel I am

> misleading people, but for whatever it may be

> worth, you should also consider that

> statistically you are in a very small minority.

>

>

>

>

>

>I was under the impression that you had respect

>for Vedic art, culture and philosophy. I

>though you would enjoy expanding your

>appreciation of that body of knowledge. That

>is why you were invited to participate in the

>conversation with other local people who respect

>the ancient teachings of India.

>

>

>

>

>

> I apologize if that was a

> misunderstanding on my part but you name has

> now been removed from the AVA mailing list as you requested.

>

>

>

>

>

> Perhaps you simply have a different

> understanding then the one I am sharing in

> regards to what the Vedas teach? If that is

> the case than I would find it much more helpful

> if you would be more clear about what you feel

> I am sharing with others that is so terribly

> misleading. Only then will I have the

> opportunity to consider the merit of your

> observation and rethink my position based on the legitimacy of your opinions.

>

>

>

>

>

>Regardless of if you are willing to do that or

>not, I wish to remain you your friend and

>well-wisher. Hoping this meets you in good health, and happy spirits.

>

>

>

>

>

>William Roberts, Director

>

>

>American Vedic Association

>

>

>687 Villanova Road

>

>

>Ojai California, 93023

>

>

>(805) 640-0405 ava @ jagannatha.com

>

>

>Bhagavad Gita As It Is

>

>

>Sanskrit, Mantra, Kirtan, Prasadam

>

>

>

>

>

>

>Charles Wray [ojaichiro]

>Thursday, June 30, 2005 21:51

>Roberts, William NAVSEA

>RE: Are We Independent? AVA Discussion Tue July 5th, Ojai Ca. #2

>

>Please take me off your email list. I truly

>believe you are misleading people.

>

>

>

>Roberts, William NAVSEA [william.roberts]

>Thursday, June 30, 2005 11:40 AM

>ava

>Are We Independent? AVA Discussion Tue July 5th, Ojai Ca. #2

>

>

>

> (If you are unsure why you are receiving this

> newsletter please jump to the end for clarification.)

>

>This Issues Topic Of Discussion:

>

>No-One is Independent!

>

>Hari Bolo Friends of the Vedas!

>Please accept my respects. All glory to the

>transcendental light of the Bhagavad-Gita as It Is!

>

>The Next Gathering Of:

>

>etc...

>

>

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>

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>Message: 2

> Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:33:14 -0700 (PDT)

> Vrndavan Parker <vrnparker

>Mercury Retrograde once again

>

>"For those of you who like to chant mantras or prayers of protection, then

>you may want to chant the following mantra to help overcome the adverse

>effects of Mercury Retrograde. Repeat it a minimum of seven times per day.

>"Om shree budhaaya namaha."

>

>

>Mr and Mrs Lawrence <drewjlawrence

>wrote:"Mr and Mrs Lawrence" <drewjlawrence

>Mercury Retrograde once again

>Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:19:58 +0100

>

>Mercury Retrograde

>

>By Drew Lawrence - Vedic Astrological Consultant

>drewjlawrence

>www.drewlawrence.com

>

>Dear Friends and Clients,

>

>It is that time once again. Mercury will travel retrograde or backwards in

>motion from July 24.05 until August 16.05. This affects everyone and

>everything on the planet. This period lasts about three weeks and occurs

>about 3 times a year. It may have more specific indications with reference

>to your birth chart, but we will endeavor to give the more general effects

>below.

>

>Since Mercury is the planet that represents communication, a retrograde

>Mercury usually brings problems and difficulties with communications,

>automobiles and vehicles, phone systems, travel, transportation, lost

>luggage, delayed or cancelled flights, mail delivery, computers, internet

>connections, information technology, and contractual agreements. It can

>cause delays, setbacks and last-minute changes in plans and arrangements as

>well as breakdowns of machinery and equipment. The difficulties are for the

>most part minor but irritating in nature.

>

>People become more introspective when Mercury is Rx. The thought process has

>a greater inward focus. People tend to be more thoughtful, contemplative,

>reflective and meditative. Self-examination is the order of the day. This is

>the time when the subconscious mind will come to the forefront and the

>conscious mind will retreat. Knowledge tends to be absorbed as opposed to

>learned during Rx Mercury. It is a far better time to sort things through in

>your own mind with your "Self" rather than having that overdue "talk" with

>your partner or friend since that may lead to miscommunication and not

>provide the sought-after resolution.

>

>People become slower and more deliberate in their response patterns which is

>generally a good thing as long as patience is also applied. But this can

>sometimes create problems in getting your point across. That's why this is

>not the best time to make important decisions or enter into negotiations or

>the signing of contracts, agreements or mortgages. It would be better to

>lure business clients away from the bargaining table and out to a leisurely

>lunch. Look for that closing handshake after August 16.05.

>

>We realize business must continue and life still goes on but really

>important matters that can be postponed should be until after August 16.05.

>This is no time to start a business or begin a major project. If it doesn't

>have to get there tomorrow and it doesn't have to be said today, save it.

>Have that little "heart-to-heart" with your own heart.

>

>For those of you who like to chant mantras or prayers of protection, then

>you may want to chant the following mantra to help overcome the adverse

>effects of Mercury Retrograde. Repeat it a minimum of seven times per day.

>"Om shree budhaaya namaha."

>

>CLIENT COMMENTS ABOUT RETROGRADE MERCURY

>

>"I read your email with great interest about Mercury going retrograde. This

>is because the last two times Mercury went retrograde, I signed two

>contracts which turned into big problems for me.

>Although I knew Mercury was retrograde, I thought, "What could go wrong?

>I'm going to be selling a piece of land and it's pretty cut and dry. I sign

>the papers. They get the land, I get the money and everyone goes home. And

>Mercury is retrograde for them too, so it should even out.

>It didn't work that way. At the settlement, there arose a dispute over

>taxes and I had to leave $27,000 in escrow at the table. That was about a

>year ago and I'm still waiting to resolve the matter and get my money back."

>Businessman

>

>"My publisher told me that the all computers at the press went on the blink

>the very day Mercury turned retrograde which he said he almost couldn't

>believe because it was too much out of an astrological text book."

>Writer

>

>"Thank you for all the info about Mercury Retrograde. I have just returned

>from South Africa without my luggage which arrived four days later.

>Interesting!"

>Nurse

>

>

>"Since Mercury went retrograde, I've been dealing with internal and external

>hacker issues on my web sites, server issues, mail server issues, major web

>site issues, firewall issues, cancelled insurance issues, merchant account

>issues, landlord issues, etc., etc., etc. The list goes on and on. When we

>get one issue buttoned down, two more pop up. My programmers, techies and

>staff are all somewhat exhausted because of all the stuff that is getting

>thrown at us."

>Businessman

>

>"I think I'm finally finishing up with all the spastic deals from the

>Mercury retrograde period! Only one fell out. The others were pure hell but

>they closed!"

>Real Estate Agent

>

>"Thanks for the email regarding the retrograde Mercury. My patients were all

>four times more intense that whole period!"

>Psychologist

>

>"The computer blew up yesterday and I lost my complete hard drive. The iron

>blew up. The electric gates went on the blink and the switch for all the

>lights in the kitchen broke. After all this, I blew up!"

>Homemaker

>

>PLEASE SEND US YOUR COMMENTS FROM YOUR EXPERIENCES DURING MERCURY RETROGRADE

>

>

>

>

>Drew Lawrence

>The Field

>Ballybetagh Road

>Ballybetagh, Kilternan

>Dublin 18

>Ireland

>

>In Ireland: (01) 294-6888

> From U.S. 011 353 1 294-6888

>www.drewlawrence.com

>

>

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>Message: 3

> Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:34:07 -0700 (PDT)

> Vrndavan Parker <vrnparker

>Call for Participation: HEC 2005, Houston, TX (V.R.N. Parker)

>

>

>

>"Rajiv Varma (GMail)" <rajiv555

>wrote:Thu, 7 Jul 2005 22:45:41 -0500 (CDT)

>"Rajiv Varma (GMail)" <rajiv555

>VRN Parker <vrnparker

>Call for Participation: HEC 2005, Houston, TX (V.R.N. Parker)

>

>

>

>Third Annual

>Human Empowerment Conference (HEC) 2005

>Houston, Texas, USA

>Fri., Sept 16th - Sun, Sept. 18th, 2005

>

>CALL FOR PARTICIPATION

>

>Scholars and activists are invited to participate in the Third Annual

>Human Empowerment Conference (HEC) to be held in Houston, TX, USA, from

>Fri., Sept 16th until Sun, Sept. 18th, 2005. The conference covers four

>specific areas: (a) Ideology, (b) Awareness, © Political and

>Socio-Economic Activism, and (d) Infrastructure. The domain of subjects to

>be covered is limited to Political, Social and Economic issues that affect

>entire humanity. Purely spiritual, cultural and religious issues will not

>be covered. Participants can opt to write a paper or make a presentation

>on topics relevant to the aforementioned areas.

>

>Preamble

>

>Ideological development is a product of application of

>intellectual faculties to strong background in the humanities (history,

>political science, religion, spirituality, culture, archaeology). The

>products of development process are ideological elements or intellectual

>building blocks that are relevant to the current state of the society. The

>ideological elements are then applied to real-life challenges that the

>humanity faces to produce an ideological framework with a defined

>perimeter including a strategic vision and direction for the society at

>large. The theoretical framework developed by the ideologists (or

>ideologues) is utilized by the field activists in the political, social

>and economic spheres of human activity to meet the challenges faced by the

>humanity, for its peaceful existence as an organic whole with its distinct

>but integral parts at peace and harmony with each other, and with the goal

>of ennobling the entire humanity ('Krunvanto Vishwam Aryam').

>

>Ideological empowerment by itself is meaningless, unless and until

>it is propagated throughout the general consciousness of the society. To

>make Ideological empowerment practical, its awareness must be spread using

>a wide variety of means including the mass media and new technologies.

>Ideological empowerment combined with appropriate levels of awareness

>result in meaningful political, social and economic activism. Activism

>without ideology is rootless, and without its awareness often ends up

>being fruitless. On the other hand Ideology without Activism becomes an

>academic burden. Further, without the existence of a sound fiscal and

>human resources infrastructure both intellectualism and activism are not

>possible.

>

>The mission of the ideologists (or ideologues) is to ideologically

>empower the society. Scholarly papers are invited from ideologists who

>aspire to accomplish the same. Intellectual churning is required for

>ideological development. Hence, contrarian views are welcome as long as

>the motive is the same.

>

>Project presentations are invited from field activists that

>address the need to spread ideological awareness. Project presentations

>are also invited in political and socio-economic areas that derive their

>activity with an ideological imperative, and spread the awareness as a

>prerequisite.

>

>Presentations are also invited from activists who can lend their

>expertise in human resources and fiscal affairs to recruit volunteers and

>raise funds for the cause of humanity.

>

>Technocrats are also invited to showcase various technologies that

>can be employed by intellectuals and activists alike.

>

>

>CONFERENCE AGENDA (Tentative)

>

>Three General Sessions corresponding to 3 general interest areas, viz (i)

>ideology, (ii) awareness, and (iii) public action.

>

>Presentations and project meetings

>

>Ideological Empowerment Seminar Series

>

>Annual Arvind Ghosh Memorial Lecture

>

>Special session on Persecution of Bangla Minorties

>

>Training workshop for political and socio-economic activists, and

>community leaders

>

>Seminar on An alternative framework for Temple Management in India (how to

>get rid of govt. control of temples in India) (Moderator: Prof. Subhash

>Kak)

>

>Workshop on countering conversions out of the Dharmic fold

>

>Workshop on Strategic Media Placement (how to place articles in the media)

>

>Workshop on Media Monitoring (documenting media bias)

>

>Presentation on Project 'Hindu America' (how to take Hindu dharma to

>mainstream America)

>

>Presentation on Hindu Holocaust (documenting atrocities against Hindus

>throughout the ages) ; including presentation of a very rare book titled

>"Rape of Rawalpindi" which contains some 50 photos of rape, mass murder,

>loot, destruction, plunder and forcible conversion of Hindu and Sikhs in

>Pakistan during partition.

>

>Presentation: "Victorious Hindu Resistance to Islamic Invasion on India"

>(Swami Vigyanananda)

>

>Workshop on Online Dharma Education and Hindu Seminary

>

>Special session on Social reforms in Hindu society

>

>Special session on "Socio-Political Implications of Aryan Invasion Theory"

>(Moderator: Dr. Srinivasan Kalyanaraman)

>

>Presentation on Project 'Pax Indica' ( establishing a worldwide network of

>professionals, bureaucrats, businessmen, politicians, community leaders,

>with the purpose of serving India'^Òs political and economic interest )

>

>Presentation on Project 'Dharmalaya' (establishing a worldwide

>multi-ethnic, multi-racial, multi-linguistic community of dharmic

>peoples).

>

>Presentation on Hinduworld suite of websites

>

>Presentation on Project History Awareness

>

>Presentation on Project Communist Watch

>

>Workshop on developing a Charity Advisor program for Indian/Hindu donors

>

>Workshop on developing a granting agency for institutionalizing the fund

>raising and fund disbursement process for research, education and outreach

>activities

>

>Workshop on developing alternative media

>

>

>ACTION REQUIRED

>

>Please send intent of your participation to: hec2005

>

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> Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:55:17 -0000

> "vrnparker" <vrnparker

>African Gray Parrot Grasps Zero Concept

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>African Gray Parrot Grasps Zero Concept

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>July 9, 2005 1:11 p.m. EST

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>Hector Duarte Jr. - All Headline News Staff Reporter

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>Boston, Massachusetts (AHN) - Alex, a 28-year-old African gray

>parrot, responds "none" when he sees there are no items on a tray,

>which is usually stocked with objects.

>

>Although his brain is the size of a walnut, scientists say Alex's

>ability to understand the concept of zero is amazing, as humans do

>not typically grasp it until the age of 3 or 4.

>

>According to Irene Pepperburg, who led the reasearch, Alex possesses

>a zero-like concept, which although different to ours, still

>demonstrates his ability to understand an absence of quantity.

>

>The results add to growing evidence that birds and other animals are

>much smarter than we thought. A 2003 study in the journal Nature,

>found common marsh birds, known as coots, can keep count of their own

>eggs, even when other eggs are mixed in the nest.

>

>Black-capped chickadees were found to warn other birds of danger by

>chirping the size and threat of individual predators, while the

>language of prairie dogs was found to contain a word for humans.

>

>Studies have also shown monkeys, dogs and rats all know how to laugh.

>

>The discovery of Alex's counting ability raises the question whether

>humanlike behavior in animals is truly innate of if a creature is

>simply mimicking a trainer.

>

>Pepperberg responded, "It is doubtful that Alex's achievement, or

>those of some other animals such as chimps, can be completely

>trained. Rather, it seems likely that these skills are based on

>simpler cognitive abilities they need for survival, such as

>recognition of more versus less."

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>She now plans to find out how well Alex can add and subtract.

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> Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:26:23 -0000

> "vrnparker" <vrnparker

>Salabega:A Muslim devotee of Krishna

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>Subject:A Muslim devotee of Krishna.

>"priya_vaishnava"

>http://www.ibiblio.org/sripedia/ramanuja/archives/oct04/msg00226.html

>Of all the devotees Krishna has had,I feel a soft corner for

>Salabega.His story is so moving.

>

>Salabega's mother lived in Puri the holy Jegannath ksethra.She was a

>Bhramin woman.She got married at an early age and her husband

>died.She became a widow.One day she went to the temple at early

>morning.A muslim soldier saw her and carried her away to his house

>and forecibly married her.Thus began a life of torture for this

>jegannatha devotee.She was forcibly converted to Islam but she never

>forgot jegannatha.All her relatives disowned her.

>

>To this great woman was Salabega born.His mother secretly taught him

>jegannatha's might.Salabega even though was raised as a muslim by

>his father soon became an ardent devotee of jegannatha.

>

>But he was afraid to enter into temple.If he did his community would

>kill him.So he would stand outside the temple and see jegannath.He

>soon gave his heart to jegannath.He wanted to enter into the

>temple.He asked permission of local priests.They were shocked to

>hear it.First he was a muslim and second they were afraid of earning

>the sultan's wrath.So they refused.

>

>So Salabega continued to stand outside the temple and watch

>jegannath.When his community people knew it they were mad on

>him.They called him and threatened him.But he wasnt afraid.He said

>that he will worship Jegannath.But since the muslims were minority

>in Puri at that time they were afraid that killing him would lead to

>communal clashes.So they ostracised him from their community.

>

>But still the priests refused to let him into the temple.But

>Salabega continued to sing hymns on jegannatha.His songs became very

>popular among devotees.But his community were angry on him.The only

>time salabgea could see lord was when he came out in the charriot

>every year.

>

>ONe year salabega went on to pilgrimage.But he couldnt return in

>time to charriot festival since he fell sick.But he did not want to

>miss the charriot festival too.

>

>He couldn't return in time to see his darling Lord on the chariots

>and cried out in anguish from 750 miles away. He prayed to the Lord

>to tarry a while on the bada danda, the Grand Avenue till he could

>reach back to see the Lord. The compassionate Lord, stayed on his

>chariot which could not be moved an inch forward till Salabega

>reached Puri and joined the devotees in prayer.

>

>The famous saint poet Salabega has immortalised the feelings of the

>devotees as they wait every year for fulfilment of their desire to

>see their dear dark darling, Kalia Dhana seated on his resplendent

>Chariot ? Nandi Ghosa.

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> Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:36:06 -0000

> "vrnparker" <vrnparker

>Nixon:I want to piss on the Indians

>

>Nixon-Kissinger conduct - a first person account

>

>By M.V.Kamath

>"Later he (Nixon) told Kissinger: "I don't want the Indians to be

>happy.... I want a public relations programme developed to piss on

>the Indians. I want to piss on them for their responsibility...."

>

>On June 30, 2005, The Time of India had a front page lead story from

>Washington, written by its correspondent, Chidananda Rajghatta that

>brings back old memories.

>

>Wrote Rajghatta: "The U.S. may be cooing and billing over India now,

>but just 35 years ago, its President and National Security Adviser

>corrosively called the then Prime Minister of India Indira Gandhi a

>bitch and a witch, felt Indians were sanctimonious and hypocritical

>bastards and wished India would be struck by a famine and lose badly

>in a war".

>

>He was quoting from the newly released declassified documents

>released by the U.S. State Department. The occasion was the winter of

>1971, when a military dictatorship in Pakistan had unleashed a brutal

>genocide in East Bengal then still part of Pakistan looting and

>killing and indulging rape on a scale that makes today's excesses in

>the region look like a picnic.

>

>The United States, under President Richard Nixon was strongly on the

>side of Pakistan. Nixon hated India with an intensity of a burning

>sun. His unprincipled Secretary of State a real chamcha and an

>unscrupulous one at that was ever willing back his boss to the hilt.

>If Nixon showed anger against India, Kissinger would happily fan it.

>

>If Nixon abused India, Kissinger was willing to go all the way to

>insult it. So, when Nixon called Indira Gandhi a "bitch and a

>witch'', Kissinger went further to add that "Indians are bastards

>anyway''.

>

>The trouble was that U.S. diplomatic representatives both in Dacca

>and Delhi were both aghast at what was going on, the former providing

>all the gory details personally witnessed by him and his staff, the

>latter, kenneth Keating, strongly supporting a stern action against

>the Islamabad government.

>

>For giving the right advice, Nixon called Keating "a bastard, a

>traitor and a weak son-of-a-bitch", a man, having been posted

>Delhi "got sucked in". To present India's case, Prime Minister Indira

>Gandhi came to Washington via Europe and was received coolly and with

>utter contempt.

>

>The plane which she traveled was ordered to come a halt at New York's

>Kennedy Airport close to a stinking urinal deliberately. One had to

>hold one's nose while passing by. According to the lowest level of

>protocol, she was received by a junior States Department official. I

>was one of those present on the occasion.

>

>She was billeted at the Presidential guest house, almost right

>opposite the White House and the first meeting between her and Nixon

>was fixed. Punctual to the point, Indira Gandhi presented herself but

>Nixon again deliberately made her wait for some forty minutes to show

>his contempt for his visitor. It was bad manners at their worst.

>

>We (myself, my three Indian fellow corespondents and the Embassy

>staff) felt appalled. Such a thing had never happened before. Not to

>any visiting Prime Minister. Certainly not to anyone of Indira

>Gandhi's standing.

>

>In his Memoirs, Kissinger has recorded what happened at that first

>meeting. ...Mrs. Gandhi began by expressing admiration for Nixon's

>handling of Vietnam and the Chinese initiative, in the manner of a

>professor praising a slightly backward student ...Nixon reacted with

>a glassy-eyed politeness which told to those who knew him that his

>sentiments were being kept in check only by his reluctance to engage

>in face to-face disagreement.

>

>Nixon had no time for Mrs. Gandhi's condescending manner. Privately

>he scoffed at her moral pretensions.... Nixon was angry with Indira

>Gandhi because the Government of India was very much opposed to his

>Vietnam Policy.

>

>As he later told Kissinger: "We can't let these goddam sanctimonious

>Indians to get away with this. They've pissed on us on Vietnam for

>five years".

>

>In his Memoirs, Kissinger writes that "Nixon's comments after meeting

>with her (Indira Gandhi) were not always printable." This wretched

>sycophant does not say that he always expressed full agreement with

>those sentiments. Kissinger is not one familiar with truth.

>

>The second meeting between Indira Gandhi and Nixon was at the dinner

>he gave his guest, one supposes, somewhat reluctantly. Correspondents

>were not invited to the banquet but we were permitted to sit in an

>adjacent room in the White House and to listen to the toasts that

>were being proposed.

>

>Said Mrs. Gandhi: It has not been easy to get away at a time when

>India was beleaguered. To the natural calamities of drought, flood

>and cyclone has been added a m a n - m a d e tragedy of vast

>proportions.

>

>I am haunted by the tormented faces in ever crowded refugee camps,

>reflecting the grim events which have compelled the exodus of

>millions from East Bengal.

>

>I have come here for a deeper understanding of the situation in our

>part of the world, in search of some wise impulse, which, as history

>tells us has sometimes worked to save humanity from despair.

>

>When she finished, some Ameri-cans who were sitting in the room with

>us broke into applause. It was a wise toast. But for Nixon this was a

>calculated insult and he thought that Mrs. Gandhi was trying to reach

>over his head to appeal to some of the leading Democratic opponents

>of his in the Congress who had been invited to the banquet. It only

>made him more furious than ever.

>

>Later he told Kissinger: "I don't want the Indians to be happy.... I

>want a public relations programme developed to piss on the Indians. I

>want to piss on them for their responsibility...."

>

>Actually, soon after, the White House or Kissinger got a fourth rate

>journalist to be sent as the Delhi correspondent of an important

>American daily and his dispatches had to be read to be believed.

>

>Right from the start he was hostile to India, painting India in the

>blackest of colours. Not long after he was withdrawn, the US

>government probably realising that this did not pay. Or, perhaps the

>newspaper which hired him realised that it was being taken for a

>ride.

>

>It was not just Indira Gandhi that was hated and despised. The

>Ambassador-designate to Washington, L. K. Jha, received similar

>treatment from the White House, as well as the four Indian

>correspondents in Washington, namely Easwar Sagar of The Hindu,

>Krishna Bhatia of the Hindustan Times and T. V. Parasuram of Indian

>Express, and myself, from The Times of India.

>

>Jha had arrived in Washington DC to take up his appointment but was

>made to cool his heels for weeks before being formally received by

>Nixon. Word was sent to all top officials to place Jha in "deep

>freeze", which meant that Jha, as ambassador, could hardly

>communicate with anyone at the topmost bureaucratic level.

>

>At one stage L. K. (as he was familiarly known) was so despairing of

>his job that he told me he wished he could return home to do

>something more useful. But when the "deep freeze" order came to be

>known, the liberal press was so furious that Jha was specifically

>invited to address the National Press Association, an honour seldom

>accorded to mere ambassadors.

>

>By being soft spoken and mild-mannered, L. K. had earned the respect

>and regard of the US press which gave him a standing ovation, at the

>end of the meeting.

>

>Jha's talents have been acknowledged by Kissinger, in his Memoirs. As

>he put it: "L. K. Jha served in Washington at a difficult period. He

>was a superb analyst of the American scene; he understood

>international politics without sentimentality...

>

>He was skillful in getting the Indian version of the issues to the

>press.... I could always trace his footprints through the columns...

>I was supposed to be skillful in dealing with the press. On the India-

>Pakistan issue, Jha clearly outclassed me".

>

>We, the four Indian journalists were given the same hostile

>treatment. In the first few months of my nine-year long stay in

>Washington, I was invited to a couple of Kissinger's private

>briefings, but Kissinger did not like being questioned. He dropped

>me, as he dropped my other three colleagues.

>

>For the next nine years neither Nixon (at his meetings with the

>press) nor Kissinger at his, would even look us in our eyes, lot

>alone let us ask questions.

>

>The India Desk of the State Department was told not to cooperate with

>us and to treat us coldly when we sought any information. Literally

>we were to be boycotted.

>

>It was embarrassing to the officials who were personal friends. Some

>six months later, one of the seniors called me at home to ask me out

>for lunch. He seemed deeply hurt.

>

>He said to me: "Kamath, you are a friend and you must not

>misunderstand my behaviour towards you at the State Department. We

>are under orders to treat you coldly. Kindly forgive us. There is

>nothing personal about it. All of us at the India Desk are

>embarrassed".

>

>I told him that I fully understood his and his colleagues' dilemma

>and was not hurt but had only been puzzled. And I had a good laugh.

>The Assistant Secretary of State, one Joseph Sisco, once summoned all

>four of us and was insufferably rude and crude.

>

>Knowing what the matter was, we returned the compliment in as

>sophisticated a manner as was possible. Sisco couldn't take it. He

>did not like being outclassed by four Indian correspondents. It was

>only after the Nixon era was over and that poorly brought-up

>President and his chamcha were thrown into the waste-paper basket,

>did the State Department get back to normalcy.

>

>I had only to ask for an exclusive interview with the new Secretary

>of State Cyrus Vance and it was agreed upon in eight hours flat.

>Something of a record. And when Vance received me at his door and

>treated me as a friend and gave me more than 90 minutes of his time

>and was even willing to give me even more if I wished it. I was

>almost in tears.

>

>Kissinger is a third rate diplomat, his smartness vastly overvalued.

>He has given a lame excuse for calling Indians bastards, saying that

>this was done at the height of the Cold War.

>

>He is a sycophant. He says he admired Indira Gandhi. He might have.

>Indira Gandhi, like most Indian diplomats could play rings round any

>American politician and Kissinger in his Memoirs has admitted as

>such.

>

>We need to ignore Kissinger's `regrets', he would do the same thing

>if the situation again demanded. A man utterly without any

>principles, he was the right man to work for Nixon whose devotion to

>principles was even less. It is a lesson to India for all times.

>

>Send in your comments on this article to samachareditor

>http://www.samachar.com/features/070705-features.html

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> Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:38:56 -0000

> "vrnparker" <vrnparker

>Cow meat traced in five Delhi's meat-processing units

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>Cow meat traced in five Delhi's meat-processing units

>

>Deepak Kumar Jha/ New Delhi

>

>FIRs have been registered against five meat-processing units located

>in Lawrence Road industrial area of North-West Delhi following

>recovery of cow meat samples during a raid conducted by a team of

>Municipal Corporation of Delhi (MCD) officials.

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>The raids were conducted following a tip off received by MCD

>Commissioner Rakesh Mehta that illegal trade was going on inside the

>meat processing units of the city. Of the six samples recovered, five

>tested positive at the Capital's prestigious research institute, the

>Shri Ram Institute for Industrial Research.

>

>

>

>MCD's Veterinary Department Director Dr RPS Tyagi, in charge of

>testing the meat samples, confirmed that some of the samples had

>tested "positive" but declined to reveal more.

>

>

>

>Sources said that testing positive meant that cow meat had been

>traced within the bulk of mutton, lamb, buffalo, ox and bull meat.

>The raid was conducted last week under the supervision of Dr ML

>Sharma of MCD Vet Department, said a senior MCD official.

>

>

>

>Late on Monday evening, an FIR was registered against all the five

>processing units- Anjania Cold Storage and Meat Processing Industry,

>Suri Meat Processing Unit, Darshan Food Processing Complex, Jolly

>Cold Storage and Sushil Cold Storage and Meat Processing Unit.

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>"They have been charged with violating the rules under two acts--the

>Delhi Cattle Preservation Act and the Prevention for Food

>Adulteration Act. We have also written to the Union Environment and

>Home Ministry as this is a very sensitive matter," a source told The

>Pioneer.

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>The meat processed at these units is exported and is not meant for

>domestic consumption but sources said that a few processors `slip'

>these meats into the local market, hotels and restaurants.

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>However the owners of Anjania have appealed to the Commissioner that

>the samples collected from their unit should be re-tested as one of

>the two samples collected from here had tested negative.

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>Meats processed at private meat and food-processing units are treated

>and packed under international standards. They obtain the license to

>bring in raw meat from adjoining areas like Rampur, Mewat Moradabad,

>Bulandshahr, Muzzafarnagar, Meerut, Kandhali and other places. The

>processing units procure raw meat from private suppliers.

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>

>

>Slaughtering of cow is banned all over the country except in the

>states of West Bengal and Kerala. "But this is for the Delhi Police

>and the police from neighbouring states to explain as to how cow meat

>is being transported into the national Capital," the MCD official

>added.

>http://www.dailypioneer.com/indexn12.asp?main_variable=front%

>5Fpage&file_name=story3%2Etxt&counter_img=3?

>headline=Cow~meat~traced~in~five~Delhi's~meat-processing~units

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> Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:38:03 -0000

> "vrnparker" <vrnparker

>RSS rescues Christian priests

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>RSS rescues Christian priests

>

>Press Trust of India

>

>New Delhi, July 10, 2005

>Believe it or not! RSS activists recently rescued 80 Christian

>priests trapped in an accident in the dense forests of Orissa's

>Sambalpur district and even donated blood to save their lives.

>

>A marriage party comprising 90 Christian priests was on its way in a

>truck from Jamankeri village to Goudpil when it met with an accident

>in which 10 of them died on the spot and 80 others were seriously

>injured, said a report in the latest issue of RSS

>mouthpiece 'Organiser'.

>

>As the priests looked for help in the dense forests, an RSS activist

>heard their shouts and managed to mobilise 50 Sangh volunteers to

>help them.

>

>"The pastors were rescued and admitted to a nearby hospital, 45

>kilometres from the site, in that dark night," the report said

>disclosing that the Swayamsewaks not only provided the injured

>medicines and food but "donated their own blood" to the pastors.

>

>The weekly quoted Bishop Samal as saying, "these boys of RSS have

>given us a new life. We are grateful to them. May God bless them".

>

>"We have not done anything much. What we have done has been done from

>the humanitarian point of view. All of us are human beings. All are

>children of God," it quoted BB Nanda, RSS state secretary as saying.

>

>The RSS has often been criticised by Christian organisations for

>targeting Christian missionaries in the tribal areas.

>http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1426360,000900030010.htm?

>headline=RSS~rescues~Christian~priests

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> Mon, 11 Jul 2005 18:41:15 -0000

> "vrnparker" <vrnparker

>Snake dies after biting brahmin

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>Snake dies after biting priest

>"Lord Shiva's charisma saved me"

>Indo-Asian News Service

>

>Ranchi, July 11, 2005

>A snake bites a priest. The snake vomits blood and dies. The priest

>recovers -- it all happened in a Jharkhand village and is being

>attributed to Lord Shiva's blessings.

>

>The man who was bitten and lived to tell the tale was the priest of

>the Nag Devta (Snake God) temple in Badapaghar village of Dumka

>district, 450 km from here.

>

>"Lord Shiva's charisma saved me," the priest was quoted as saying in

>local newspapers after he was bitten by a five ft snake in the temple

>premises.

>

>The snake vomited blood and died immediately after biting the priest,

>who is recuperating in hospital.

>

>"Usually a person does not survive if the snake dies or gets killed

>after biting. The priest has not only survived but is also behaving

>normally," said a villager.

>http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1427358,00080003.htm?

>headline=Snake~dies~after~biting~priest!!!

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