Guest guest Posted May 8, 2005 Report Share Posted May 8, 2005 "Mohan Gupta" <mgupta (AT) rogers (DOT) com><info (AT) a4india (DOT) com>Hindus lack Self RespectSun, 8 May 2005 22:25:07 -0400 Hindus lack Self Respect Bharatiya people have no pride in their products and whatever they have got. For Hindus, everything what foreigners have got, especially from ex-colonial rulers of Bharat is great. Bharatiya people want the languages, dresses, religion, customs, manners, festivals of their ex-colonial rulers. Israelis due to their self respect and pride, revived a dead language Hebrew, while Bharatiya mentally slave people are making Sanskrit dead language, which is the most perfect language in the world. Due to mental slavery and inferiority complex of Hindus, not only Sanskrit but other Bharatiya languages are being destroyed by putting words from Urdu and English languages, languages of ex- colonial masters, in other Bharatiya languages. Now look at any Hindi media, there are more Urdu / English words in Hindi rather than Hindi words. There is no justification in putting Urdu / English words in Hindi when proper Hindi words are available. Hindi words are simple and more pleasant to listen; it is just a matter of propagating pure Hindi words. Hindi film / TV industry do not give cast of Hindi films in Hindi, commercial people do not write Hindi on the labels of their products. Hindi media and commercial people do not take steps to promote Hindi and Bharatiya languages. It looks slavery has gone into the bones of some Bharatiya people after 1200 years of slavery. Slave people do not appreciate what they have got as their own. "K J Sharma" <kjsharma (AT) patmedia (DOT) net>hindinj-owner Dear Elites of Indian Origin,Reference: Some people doubt the superiority of Sanskrit LanguageReading different perceptions about the origin of languages v/s Samskrit and scholastic chronology of worldly languages given by our learned ones, I am pleased to note the common concern in all minds which will always remain uncommon no matter what we do. Because, this is the function and the purpose mind is created for, until it is well comprehended and guided intellectually based on the wisdom provided in Hindu scriptures which are originally in Sanskrit language. In short it is not possible to deliberate here but I would just like to humbly add another dimension to ponder upon. There is no scripture known by mankind which could claim being older than VEDAS and later derived as Upanishads. These are in Sanskrit Language to begin with. As such Sanskrit has to be considered the oldest and the most evolved scholarly language beyond doubt or any controversy. If somebody tries to fix a period of its origin he only can mislead the ignorant ones out of his own ignorance. If Hindus study their own scripture Bagwig Mahapuran wherein chronology of creation is provided by Sage Veda Visa and he says that when the creation started the Parapet Brahma was incarnated by Mahavishnu in Human form whenthere were no other human existence on the earth and He gave Veda to Brahma to pass onto His HUMAN dynasty and that was in Sanskrit language. Veda is also called Suit because it is passed onto generations not in the form of a book but through Guru and Shish by listening and remembering. Therefore, if we intelligently try to understand, we can safely construe that Sanskrit is a Godly language not originated on the earth. Now relating it with the beginning of human civilization, if this language was known to the first Saptarishis incarnated by Brahma to whom VEDIC knowledge was imparted in Sanskrit Language and they passed onto subsequent sages and monies to keep giving this knowledge to make it flow unto our generation, hence we should not confuse ourselves with the antiquity and sanctity of Sanskrit language. As far as tracing the origin of all other world's languages are concerned we can, as these are sprung with the growth of human society or communities divided by sect, regional or geographical conditions. At the same time when people started mixing due to migration and human relations, the culture, languages and even the civilization evolved with the trace of human heritage beyond geographical boundaries. We pick up any language we find many common words from different languages. No language will remain pristine or unadulterated. Mixing is the order of time because of the dynamics of transmigration. Calling Sanskrit as the mother of all languages may not be correct as it was never been the language of mass. It was learnt and spoken by the learned or literates only in the society, but of course a few Indian languages are directly derived from Sanskrit like Pail, Prairie and Hindi around which there are many dialects spoken in the regions. India needs Hindi as its one national language because it is spoken and understood by the largest population compared to any other language. Secondly its purest form is closest to Sanskrit but it is being mixed with Urdu and English so much today, that now when it is spoken sounds like cariole. Hindus can do the greatest service to humanity if Sanskrit language is taught and learnt by many worlds over so that people can read the ancient scriptures which are the greatest treasures of mankind to remove ignorance and are as relevant as they were thousands of years before and will soremain for ever.Regards,kjs --------- muski kay muski2..com. All we do is sit on the internet and say "help the poor, stop the caste system". Who is really doing such a thing? I really am not concerned too much about language, I see the reason for preserving Sanskrit as more traditional and for religious purposes, I see it as superior simply because of its perfect grammer, and the way it sounds is so enchanting I am proud to be descended of the Rishis that developed this Language. I am going to sound Biased, but the India I see is the India before Islam came to India. I don’t accept modern India, not until it becomes a proper nation free from Islam. As for other communities living there, I have no problems, and let it be known the only community I am against is Muslims. It’s not wise to loose the goodwill of the Hindus, by nature we are tolerant but the Muslims have tested our patience too much and same message for other communities that decide to use up our goodwill. Urdu is a filthy language and should not be in India only for its association with Islam. The only Hindi I am propagating is the Sanskritized Hindi, not the disgusting Arabic/Persian sounding Hindi. -Muski HINDU (INDIAN) GLORIOUS HERITAGE;No doubt, some of us are gullible and we Hindus are inundated with so-called Secularists who believe in taking pride in promoting and propagating misinformation thus misleading by confusing their true Hindu compatriots.The so-called secularists with their political patronage and supported by the media as well as the Indian film industries are committed to spread their "selected" truth coated with the secular-sweetener.These secularists have one and only one aim - to destroy by continuing to defame and insulting our glorious Hindu heritage because these anti-Hindus know that we are complacent and have no Hindu vote-bank. Let me quote an old saying, "if, you can not convince people then confuse them".These people should be proud to be an Indian (Hindu) and should know that India will only remain a secular state, as long as it is predominantly a Hindu majority, a Hindu Nation. Hindus lack Self Respect Take for example a high profile person such as Sunil Dutt. It is reported that when Nargis died he was shocked to learn that his wife whose Muslim name she retained until death, had left specific instructions with her sister that she was not to be cremated but was to be buried according to Islamic rites. When it comes to self respect & love of their culture, the Muslims and Africans definitely are to be commended. The very day following the day Kenya got its independence from Great Britain, the City Council Lorries went through all major roads & streets & promptly replaced all foreign sounding street names with traditional African names. Hence, Lord Delamere Avenue became Jomo Kenyatta Ave. (Lord Delamere was one of the first white settlers in Kenya) and Victoria Street became Tom Mboya Street. While in India, a whopping 57 years after independence, the GoI, with the blessings of the people of India, have faithfully preserved all the names of the perpetrators of some of the most heinous crimes against the majority Hindu population of India. Thus we see streets and avenues, cities & building bearing the names such as Tughlak Marg, Shahjehan Road, Akbar Road, Aurangzeb Road, Aurangabad (after Aurangzeb), Willington Cresecent, Firoz Shah Road, etc. --------- Title: Miracle that's India, yet we demonise itVivek Gumaste (A Reader) http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=46290&headline=Miracle~that's~India,~yet~we~demonise~itPublication: Indian ExpressWe as a nation appear to be excessively obsessed about how we are perceived. What will the world think of us is question that we often ask ourselves and is a mantra that is chanted again and again. Now who or what is this "world" that we keep referring to? Is it the Western governments? Is it the Western media? Or is it the lay public in these countries? And how is this opinion shaped? Does it stem from an independent judgment? Or is it a reflection of how we project ourselves? During colonial times the British encouraged an unsavoury image of India in order to justify their rule; the natives are unfit to rule themselves was their premise. According to them, snake charmers, emaciated cows on the streets and ubiquitous dirt seemed to embody India, prompting even Mahatma Gandhi to dub such descriptions as nothing more than `a drain inspectors report'. As these stereotyped images of India conjured during colonial times fade away today, another one, uglier and more repulsive than the previous, is being created. Events are being exaggerated or blown out of proportion in order to sensationalise news items and thereby make them more appealing to a Western audience. However the culprits this time are not the West or Europeans. The detractors are our own homegrown writers enthusiastically misusing a newfound access to the world stage with each one trying to outdo the other in this calumny. Pankaj Mishra is the author of the novel, the Romantics and is a regular contributor to the New York Times. He has written many articles degrading Hindus and Bharat. ==================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 The best example for this is reported on todays mid day in mumbai.A couple were not allowed to enter a restaurant/lounge as the person was wearing kurta and the lady was wearing salwar kameez.According to the attendant,ladies have to wear jeans or western attire.This is the management rule. Even after 57 yrs we are having a massive colonial hangover.If we are not acceptable in our own country wearing our traditional dress then it is a shame on we indians. sw vediculture, Vrndavan Parker <vrnparker> wrote: > > > Mohan Gupta <mgupta@r...> wrote:"Mohan Gupta" <mgupta@r...> > <info@a...> > Hindus lack Self Respect > Sun, 8 May 2005 22:25:07 -0400 > > Hindus lack Self Respect > > Bharatiya people have no pride in their products and whatever they have got. For Hindus, everything what foreigners have got, especially from ex-colonial rulers of Bharat is great. Bharatiya people want the languages, dresses, religion, customs, manners, festivals of their ex-colonial rulers. > > Israelis due to their self respect and pride, revived a dead language Hebrew, while Bharatiya mentally slave people are making Sanskrit dead language, which is the most perfect language in the world. Due to mental slavery and inferiority complex of Hindus, not only Sanskrit but other Bharatiya languages are being destroyed by putting words from Urdu and English languages, languages of ex- colonial masters, in other Bharatiya languages. > > Now look at any Hindi media, there are more Urdu / English words in Hindi rather than Hindi words. There is no justification in putting Urdu / English words in Hindi when proper Hindi words are available. Hindi words are simple and more pleasant to listen; it is just a matter of propagating pure Hindi words. Hindi film / TV industry do not give cast of Hindi films in Hindi, commercial people do not write Hindi on the labels of their products. Hindi media and commercial people do not take steps to promote Hindi and Bharatiya languages. > > It looks slavery has gone into the bones of some Bharatiya people after 1200 years of slavery. Slave people do not appreciate what they have got as their own. > > > > > > "K J Sharma" <kjsharma@p...> > hindinj-owner > > Dear Elites of Indian Origin, > Reference: Some people doubt the superiority of Sanskrit Language > > Reading different perceptions about the origin of languages v/s Samskrit and scholastic chronology of worldly languages given by our learned ones, I am pleased to note the common concern in all minds which will always remain uncommon no matter what we do. Because, this is the function and the purpose mind is created for, until it is well comprehended and guided intellectually based on the wisdom provided in Hindu scriptures which are originally in Sanskrit language. In short it is not possible to deliberate here but I would just like to humbly add another dimension to ponder upon. > > There is no scripture known by mankind which could claim being older than VEDAS and later derived as Upanishads. These are in Sanskrit Language to begin with. As such Sanskrit has to be considered the oldest and the most evolved scholarly language beyond doubt or any controversy. If somebody tries to fix a period of its origin he only can mislead the ignorant ones out of his own ignorance. > > If Hindus study their own scripture Bagwig Mahapuran wherein chronology of creation is provided by Sage Veda Visa and he says that when the creation started the Parapet Brahma was incarnated by Mahavishnu in Human form when > there were no other human existence on the earth and He gave Veda to Brahma to pass onto His HUMAN dynasty and that was in Sanskrit language. Veda is also called Suit because it is passed onto generations not in the form of a book but through Guru and Shish by listening and remembering. Therefore, if we intelligently try to understand, we can safely construe that Sanskrit is a Godly language not originated on the earth. Now relating it with the beginning of human civilization, if this language was known to the first Saptarishis incarnated by Brahma to whom VEDIC knowledge was imparted in Sanskrit Language and they passed onto subsequent sages and monies to keep giving this knowledge to make it flow unto our generation, hence we should not confuse ourselves with the antiquity and sanctity of Sanskrit language. > > As far as tracing the origin of all other world's languages are concerned we can, as these are sprung with the growth of human society or communities divided by sect, regional or geographical conditions. At the same time when people started mixing due to migration and human relations, the culture, languages and even the civilization evolved with the trace of human heritage beyond geographical boundaries. We pick up any language we find many common words from different languages. No language will remain pristine or unadulterated. Mixing is the order of time because of the dynamics of transmigration. > > Calling Sanskrit as the mother of all languages may not be correct as it was never been the language of mass. It was learnt and spoken by the learned or literates only in the society, but of course a few Indian languages are directly derived from Sanskrit like Pail, Prairie and Hindi around which there are many dialects spoken in the regions. > > India needs Hindi as its one national language because it is spoken and understood by the largest population compared to any other language. Secondly its purest form is closest to Sanskrit but it is being mixed with Urdu and English so much today, that now when it is spoken sounds like cariole. Hindus can do the greatest service to humanity if Sanskrit language is taught and learnt by many worlds over so that people can read the ancient scriptures which are the greatest treasures of mankind to remove ignorance and are as relevant as they were thousands of years before and will so > remain for ever. > Regards, > kjs > > --------- > > muski kay muski2. > > All we do is sit on the internet and say "help the poor, stop the caste system". Who is really doing such a thing? I really am not concerned too much about language, I see the reason for preserving Sanskrit as more traditional and for religious purposes, I see it as superior simply because of its perfect grammer, and the way it sounds is so enchanting I am proud to be descended of the Rishis that developed this Language. I am going to sound Biased, but the India I see is the India before Islam came to India. I don't accept modern India, not until it becomes a proper nation free from Islam. As for other communities living there, I have no problems, and let it be known the only community I am against is Muslims. It's not wise to loose the goodwill of the Hindus, by nature we are tolerant but the Muslims have tested our patience too much and same message for other communities that decide to use up our goodwill. Urdu is a filthy language and should not be in India only for its > association with Islam. The only Hindi I am propagating is the Sanskritized Hindi, not the disgusting Arabic/Persian sounding Hindi. > > -Muski > > > > HINDU (INDIAN) GLORIOUS HERITAGE; > > No doubt, some of us are gullible and we Hindus are inundated with so-called Secularists who believe in taking pride in promoting and propagating misinformation thus misleading by confusing their true Hindu compatriots. > > The so-called secularists with their political patronage and supported by the media as well as the Indian film industries are committed to spread their "selected" truth coated with the secular- sweetener. > > These secularists have one and only one aim - to destroy by continuing to defame and insulting our glorious Hindu heritage because these anti-Hindus know that we are complacent and have no Hindu vote-bank. Let me quote an old saying, "if, you can not convince people then confuse them". > > These people should be proud to be an Indian (Hindu) and should know that India will only remain a secular state, as long as it is predominantly a Hindu majority, a Hindu Nation. > > > > Hindus lack Self Respect > > Take for example a high profile person such as Sunil Dutt. It is reported that when Nargis died he was shocked to learn that his wife whose Muslim name she retained until death, had left specific instructions with her sister that she was not to be cremated but was to be buried according to Islamic rites. When it comes to self respect & love of their culture, the Muslims and Africans definitely are to be commended. > > The very day following the day Kenya got its independence from Great Britain, the City Council Lorries went through all major roads & streets & promptly replaced all foreign sounding street names with traditional African names. Hence, Lord Delamere Avenue became Jomo Kenyatta Ave. (Lord Delamere was one of the first white settlers in Kenya) and Victoria Street became Tom Mboya Street. > > While in India, a whopping 57 years after independence, the GoI, with the blessings of the people of India, have faithfully preserved all the names of the perpetrators of some of the most heinous crimes against the majority Hindu population of India. Thus we see streets and avenues, cities & building bearing the names such as Tughlak Marg, Shahjehan Road, Akbar Road, Aurangzeb Road, Aurangabad (after Aurangzeb), Willington Cresecent, Firoz Shah Road, etc. > > --------- > > Title: Miracle that's India, yet we demonise it > Vivek Gumaste (A Reader) > http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php? > newsid=46290&headline=Miracle~that's~India,~yet~we~demonise~it > > Publication: Indian Express > > We as a nation appear to be excessively obsessed about how we are perceived. What will the world think of us is question that we often ask ourselves and is a mantra that is chanted again and again. Now who or what is this "world" that we keep referring to? Is it the Western governments? Is it the Western media? Or is it the lay public in these countries? And how is this opinion shaped? Does it stem from an independent judgment? Or is it a reflection of how we project ourselves? > > During colonial times the British encouraged an unsavoury image of India in order to justify their rule; the natives are unfit to rule themselves was their premise. According to them, snake charmers, emaciated cows on the streets and ubiquitous dirt seemed to embody India, prompting even Mahatma Gandhi to dub such descriptions as nothing more than `a drain inspectors report'. > > As these stereotyped images of India conjured during colonial times fade away today, another one, uglier and more repulsive than the previous, is being created. Events are being exaggerated or blown out of proportion in order to sensationalise news items and thereby make them more appealing to a Western audience. However the culprits this > time are not the West or Europeans. The detractors are our own homegrown writers enthusiastically misusing a newfound access to the world stage with each one trying to outdo the other in this calumny. > > Pankaj Mishra is the author of the novel, the Romantics and is a regular contributor to the New York Times. He has written many articles degrading Hindus and Bharat. > > > ==================== > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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