Guest guest Posted May 1, 2005 Report Share Posted May 1, 2005 - tim lee tim lee ; Nathan Zakheim ; Linda Voith Cc: Rocana dasa ; aditidesign ; Bill Reed ; Madhavananda das ; Madhumangal Das ; irm ; Prtha devi dasi ; Rita S ; mitchelangelo (AT) netzero (DOT) net ; 'janardana dasa' ; blair (AT) iwvisp (DOT) com ; Mahesh ; Pratyatosa Dasa ; Kuvaleshaya Das Zakheim ; nihar_singh76 ; Nimai Pandit Das ; tim lee ; Sam Ellsworth ; ramrajya (AT) aol (DOT) com ; vishoka_108 ; George Sibbald ; mpandit (AT) giasbg01 (DOT) vsnl.net.in ; fmorales (AT) dharmacentral (DOT) com ; radhapran (AT) hotmail (DOT) com ; makhanlal das ; hans jurgen kary ; Kapindra Swami ; muk_39 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com ; Woorocks108 (AT) aol (DOT) com ; nevans (AT) hawaii (DOT) edu ; vmoreland108 ; pada (AT) neteze (DOT) com ; govinda ; visvadas (AT) hotmail (DOT) com ; Terrys108 (AT) msn (DOT) com ; Damaghosa Prabhu ; Madhudvisa dasa ; CJ FLORES ; lakshmi (AT) webtv (DOT) net ; Mahavegavati Dasi ACBSP ; pg1944 (AT) netzero (DOT) com ; pragosh (AT) videotron (DOT) ca ; messenger_only2002 ; Raghu Anudasa' ; vibhuvyas ; J Deshpande ; Naveen Prabhu ; Gauridas (AT) aol (DOT) com ; WLG (AT) aol (DOT) com ; Mario Pineda ; wzodda ; Abhaya Mudra Sunday, May 01, 2005 2:08 AM Somaka's last letter .... who left his body a few years ago in ITALY asSomaka Prabhu.08/11/98 - Please Give Us Back Srila Prabhupada's Iskcon An open letter to the GBC, by Somaka SwamiDear Maharajas and PrabhusPlease accept my most humble dandavat pranams.All glories to our beloved Srila Prabhupada.Before starting this letter let me beg forgiveness forany involuntary offences that I may commit byexpressing my feelings, it is not my intention tooffend, my desire is to see Srila Prabhupada'smovement be again the nice house where everyone canlive peacefully.I think most of you know about a letter sent last yearto all the devotees that had accepted me as theirguru. There I expressed my feeling of not beingqualified for occupying such important position asinitiating spiritual master, position that is to beoccupied only by someone in the mahabhagavata stage,as I realized through Srila Prabhupada's books. Inaddition to that, for us, followers of His DivineGrace Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada to accept thatposition is against Srila Prabhupada's Final Order. Hopefully you also remember a letter sent severalyears ago complaining for some problems that weretroubling our society. Considering that my letter to the devotees in someplaces was not allowed to be distributed by the localGBC secretary and considering that this year myVyasa-puja offering to Srila Prabhupada wasmysteriously lost in the editors files, I am sendingthis as an open letter through VNN, it looks liketheir computer works better that the one of SrimanDravida Prabhu because they do not loose files soeasily.First of all I wish to inform you and the community ofdevotees that this is the last time I trouble youGBC's with my letters, because I have no more hope. Iam convinced that you will never accept SrilaPrabhupada's Final Order, and that you will never giveup the mood of pride and dictatorship that caused somany of Srila Prabhupada's disciples to leave themovement.Personally I am not interested to leave the movementand join some other Vaisnava institution, I am anISKCON man and will remain so, being so attached tothe mood and standards set by Srila Prabhupada. I amalso not interested on leaving and becoming the headof a separate group. I am going to seclude myself inJharikhanda and do service there in the association ofsome devotees and try to atone from my many sins andoffences trough chanting and serving Krishna and Hisdevotees. It is going to be very difficult for me todo that because by nature I have always been atravelling preacher, but I can not be a hypocrite, norto be a disturbance or to disturb the faith of thedevotees. If I go around preaching avoiding hypocrisyI will preach things contrary to your standard laws,becoming a troublemaker and disturbing the faith ofmany innocent, or -better to say- naive devotees. Ihave completely lost hope that you will accept so manyevident mistakes, and due to my fiery nature if Idiscuss with you the matter I will become veryirritated by so many years of frustration. After the Mayapur festival one devotee from Italy sentme a letter telling how much her pilgrimage to Indiainspired her, and mentioned to me that from now and onshe will only associate with devotees for KrishnaKatha and will not listen to any dissatisfied andcritical devotees. I fully agree with this propositionand that is the reason that I am secluding myself,following the principle that you can sacrifice theworld to save yourself. I know that if I go onlistening to dissatisfied devotees - and there are somany aoround the world - I will end up in totalfrustration especially contemplating how naivedevotees are mislead. The letter above mentionedcontinued telling how impressed she was from astatement by H.H. Bhakti Caru Maharaja in a Bhagavatamclass: "many devotees would like to see a differentISKCON but to make an ISKCON it takes a special personas Srila Prabhupada". I was not present in Mayapur butI guess that at this statement the whole audience ofnaive devotees had shouted "Jaaaaayyyyy......HariiiBoooool...." and the not so naive may have thought "myGod, we are still at this point".Yes Maharaja I completely agree 1.000.000 % with youthat to make an ISKCON it takes a Shaktiavesa Avataraas Srila Prabhupada, I have no doubt about that, but Ihave a very big hesitancy to believe that the nowadaysISKCON is the same that the one that Srila Prabhupadaleft upon his departure. I will give yousome evidence of this:1) Srila Prabhupada stated in his Will that managingshould go on as it was, and no changes should be made.So what about the Final Order dictated by SrilaPrabhupada in the July 9th 1977 letter? After so manyyears that the question it is being raised no soundexplanation is being given to your modification tothat. You have produced so many papers, contradictingeach other to try to defeat the Final Order, but TheFinal Order Still Stands. (I think there is no need toquote the many papers from Krishnakant Prabhudefeating all counter-arguments and soundlyestablishing that Srila Prabhupada's final orderstill stands) 2) In Srila Prabhupada's Will he stated that thetrustees for the properties in India are for alifetime and after nominating them he said that incase of demise the trustee should be replaced providedthat the new trustee is selected between "my initiateddisciples". Could you kindly explain me how in thenext 10000 years (if you do not terminate it before)will ISKCON enact this instruction if we do not followthe Final Order?. Please do not reply with the absurdtheory that was presented on Chakra that if one isinitiated, he automatically becomes an initiateddisciple of Srila Prabhupada, of SrilaBhaktisiddhanta, of Srila Goura Kisora Das Babajietc.. etc.. According to this theory at the time ofinitiation one becomes automatically godbrother of isguru, and also godbrother of is paramguru, as well asgodbrother of the guru of his paramguru etc..etc...etc.3) Srila Prabhupada created ISKCON to produceBrahmanas, and Brahmanas are thinkers, independentthinkers, and not prisoners of a cult. We have now asan ISKCON law the prohibition for associating withVaisnavas that are not ISKCON members, as well as toread Vaisnava books that are not Srila Prabhupadasbooks. This extreme is taken with the excuse of astatement by Srila Prabhupada to some neophytedisciples to not associate with his godbrothers toavoid the risk of them becoming confused.Our commitment and faith to Srila Prabhupada and hismovement should be based in a very deep love andgratitude not in bureaucratic laws and prohibitions. IPersonally read Srila Prabhupada's books as well asbooks by other Vaisnavas, and that for no reason makesmy faith and commitment to Srila Prabhupada decrease,on the contrary, it makes me realize more and more hisgreatness and my faith and commitmentincreases more and more. Visiting Srila Prabhupadagodbrothers causes my appreciation of Srila Prabhupadato increases hundreds of times, and similar result Iget by reading. Looking at today's ISKCON I loose enthusiasm everyday, but visiting some of Srila Prabhupada'sgodbrothers gives me renewed enthusiasm.This prohibition is offensive to the Vaisnavacommunity at large. It has motivated many devotees tothink and speak in an offensive way of so many greatvaisnavas and is making us separatist and proud as wethink to be the best or unique. This prohibitionsconvert Srila Prabhupada's movement into a sectariancult. You are accusing the Final Order proponents of tryingto convert our movement into a Cult or a Church in theChristian taste, but actually you have succeeded inmaking the movement as such. 4) Each one of the different Christian churchesprohibits his followers to visit other churches and toread others sacred books. The Catholic Church, is verybureaucratic, they make new lists of sins and condemncontroversial books. They excommunicate members ifthey oppose the bureaucratic power. The onlydifference with us is that they came to theinquisition of the heretics 1500 year after Christ. Wewere much faster, because in only 20 years after SrilaPrabhupada entered Samadhi we already reached theexcommunication of heretics syndrome.ON THE FALL DOWN OF THE SOULThe Christian present Christ as the only savior. Nowyou are making Srila Prabhupada unique in sayingsomething different from all other Vaisnava Acaryas ason the case of the fall down from Vaikuntha.This is another case where you are presenting yourpersonal interpretations of Srila Prabhupada'steachings. There are abundant quotes of Prabhupada's booksstating that Vaikuntha is a place from where there isno fall down. Please notice the following:SB 3.16.26 PURPORT'The conclusion is that no one falls from thespiritual world, or Vaikuntha planet, for it is theeternal abode.' SB 5.11.12PURPORT'This ordinary living being is of two kinds --nitya-baddha ornitya-mukta. One is eternally conditioned and theother eternallyliberated. The eternally liberated living beings, arein the Vaikunthajagat, the spiritual world, and they never fall intothe materialworld.' SB 3.25.29PURPORT'Sometimes it is asked how the living entity fallsdown from thespiritual world to the material world. Here is theanswer. Unless oneis elevated to the Vaikuntha planets, directly intouch with theSupreme Personality of Godhead, he is prone to falldown, either fromthe impersonal Brahman realization or from an ecstatictrance ofmeditation.' Madhya-lila 22.14-15PURPORT'The living entities are divided into two categoriesthe eternally liberated and eternally conditioned.Those who are ever-liberated never come in contactwith maya, the external energy. The ever-conditionedare always under the clutches of the external energy.This is described in Bhagavad-gita: daivi hy esa guna-mayi / mama maya duratyaya ...."This divine energy of Mine, consisting of the threemodes of material nature, is difficult to overcome."(Bg. 7.14) The nitya-baddhas are always conditioned by theexternal energy, and the nitya-muktas never come incontact with the external energy.' Krishna Book, Chapter 28: Releasing Nanda Maharajafrom the clutches of Varuna (p. 186)'The mature devotees, who have completely executedKrishna consciousness, are immediately transferred tothe universe where Krishna is appearing. In thatuniverse the devotees get their FIRST opportunity toassociate with Krishna personally and directly.' SB 7.1.34TRANSLATION'Maharaja Yudhisthira inquired: "What kind of greatcurse could affect even liberated vishnu-bhaktas, andwhat sort of person could curse even the Lord'sassociates? For unflinching devotees of the Lord tofall again to this material world is impossible. Icannot believe this." PURPORTIn Bhagavad-gita (8.16) the Lord clearly states, mamupetya tukaunteya punar janma na vidyate: one who is purifiedof materialcontamination and returns home, back to Godhead, doesnot return tothis material world. Elsewhere in Bhagavad-gita (4.9)Krishna says: janma karma ca me divyamevam yo vetti tattvatahtyaktva deham punar janmanaiti mam eti so 'rjuna "One who knows the transcendental nature of Myappearance andactivities does not, upon leaving the body, take hisbirth again inthis material world, but attains My eternal abode, OArjuna." MaharajaYudhisthira, therefore, was surprised that a puredevotee could returnto this material world. This is certainly a veryimportant question.' (Quotations Copyright © BBTI)So how you can wipe out so many conclusive statementsof Srila Prabhupada and just focus on somewhimsically?. For example, there is a very significantstatement regarding Jaya and Vijaya, but if we put ittogether with others we will see that the meaning isnot the one you want to twist. Let us get a try withthe first assumption:"So when I say Yes, there is eternal lila with Krsna,that means on the evidence of Jaya-Vijaya."SB 7.1.35TRANSLATION'The bodies of the inhabitants of Vaikuntha arecompletely spiritual, having nothing to do with thematerial body, senses, or life air. Therefore, kindlyexplain how associates of the Personality of Godheadwere cursed to descend in material bodies likeordinary persons.PURPORTTherefore it is to be understood that when Jaya andVijaya descended to this material world, they camebecause there was something to be done for the SupremePersonality of Godhead. Otherwise it is a factthat no one falls from Vaikuntha.'So the meaning is : there is eternal lila withKrishna, the eternally liberated person never fallsdown; if there is apparent fall it is to continue theeternal lila by coming to do something for the Lord.Let us go into another assumption:"Formerly we were with Krsna in His lila, or sport.""Because he falls down from Brahmasayujya, he thinksthat may be his origin, but he does not remember thatbefore that even he was with Krsna."Regarding your second question, have the conditionedsouls ever seen Krsna? Were they with the Lord beforebeing conditioned by the desire to lord it overmaterial nature? Yes, the conditioned souls are parts and parcels ofthe Lord and thus they were with Krsna before beingconditioned. Just as the child must have seen hisfather because the father places the child in the wombof the mother, similarly each soul has seen Krsna orthe Supreme Father. But at that time the conditionedsouls are resting in the condition called susuptiwhich is exactly like deep sleep without dream, oranesthetized state, therefore they do not rememberbeing with Krsna when they wake up in the materialworld and become engaged in material affairs. (SrilaPrabhupada letter to Jagadish, 1970)Here again yes, we were with Krishna, yes but in astate called susupti deep sleep.What about "we were with Krishna in His lila" Krishna never works, everything is his lila, also thecreation is part of his lila; susupti is also includedin Krishna and is lila.Actually it is simple for the simple ones: if theliving entities were coming from Krishna's abode thenKrishna in Bhagavad gita 8-16 would have said: "butone who RETURNS to my abode will not take birth again"but He says "but one who ATTAINS my abode"The most astonishing is that you use theCrow-and-Fruit Tale essay to substantiate the falldownfrom Vaikunta when actually this essay is just to tellus to forget about arguing on this point. Let usexamine some excerpt from that essay:"What is the use of such discussions? So whether youwere in the Brahmasayujya or with Krsna in His lila,at the moment you are in neither, so the best policyis to develop your Krsna consciousness and go there,never mind what is your origin." Later, "Just likewith a diseased man, it is a waste of time to try tofind out how he has become diseased, better to spendtime curing the disease.Material existence isimpersonal because my real personality is covered. Butwe should think that because I am now covered by thisclay, I am diseased, and we should think that I mustget to business to get myself uncovered, not wonderhow I got this way. Now the fruit is there, take itand enjoy, that is your first business. God is notbound by cause. He can change, He is the Cause of allCauses. Now don't waste your time with this "Kakataliya nyaya," crows and tal-fruit logic."I am not interested in bringing back the matter if weare coming from Vaikuntha or from Tatastha or if wewere eternally in the material world.My point is that Srila Prabhupada stated clearly:"What is the use of such discussions, this "Kakataliya nyaya," crows and tal-fruit logic."?But completely forgetting this instruction from SrilaPrabhupada you have wasted so many hours of GBCmeetings, printed a book supporting fall down fromVaikuntha, supporting ridiculously the falldown fromKrishna-lila with the example of Subal. Devotes thatsupported non-falldown from Vaikunta, on the base ofso many statement from Srila Prabhupada's books weremistreated and ridiculed. Sometimes, out offrustration some devotees went into seclusion or leftthe movement altogether. THE HOUSE WHERE EVERYONE WILL LIVE IN PEACE5) Srila Prabhupada made the International Society forKrishna Consciousness to be a loving society ofVaisnavas, to be the house where everyone will live inpeace, but thousands of devotees have left due tomistreatment by very ambitious leaders.With pride some advertise themselves as associates ofLord Caitanya, so many use titles reserved tomahabhagavatas as this or that pada or deva; in sometemples the daily Gurupuja to the ISKCON gurus ismaking its way back to the temple room, just on theside of Srila Prabhupada in complete defiance of theGBC rule; Santiago temple is one example of that. Despite of the temples loosing so many devotes andreducing the standard of service to the Deities stillthere is false propaganda that everything is goingwell with statements as: "our GBC men are the mostfine intellect of the planet" (by the way we need tospecify what planet) "many devotes will like to see adifferent ISKCON but to make ISKCON it takes a specialperson as Srila Prabhupada". On the case that we admit mistakes like the recentletter of the chairman of the GBC, in which we read:"Focused on other priorities, we have neglected ourchildren. We have hurt women. Widows in our societyhave been particularly neglected". The chairman forgot to make the slightest mention tothe thousands of devotees that left the movement dueto mistreatment. And also the most importantdisservice that you have done to the movement bydisobeying Srila Prabhupada Final Order, by puttingfirst the 11 zonal Acaryas in big seats and with grandpomp and veneration, and then by concocting themultiple acarya system, you transformed the originaljoyous brotherhood family of Srila Prabhupada into avery ambitious, political, diplomatic society. Due tothe fact that the gurus alone get so muchglorification, worship and facilities, better to keepthe other devotees surrendered to their power. So manytitles, positions, degrees and facilities were createdwith the result of a very unpalatable situation ofpolitics, power struggle, diplomacy and concealing inthe form of I support you and you support me.Let us go back to the old system all sitting on thesame floor , all taking prasadam together, let us goback to the old family of brotherhood, lets give upthe pride of big-brother, let us demostrate to SrilaPrabhupada that we can go on serving with greatenthusiasm without a need of big titles and positions,let us show to Srila Prabhupada and the whole worldthat we can love our brothers, let us show that weactually can recognize mistakes and rectify them, notjust by making some impersonal resolution but by goingto the offended devotees and bowing down to begforgiveness. In the beginning of the movement some ofthe devotees in India, by instructions from SrilaPrabhupada where hosted and trained by some of hisgodbrothers but now we have laws prohibitingassociation with them, this is very ungrateful and isbreaking all Vaisnava etiquette. A LITTLE MORE SHAMERecently a current ISKCON guru travelled from overseasjust to prevent H.H. Narayana Maharaj success in hisvisit to an island. When H.H. Narayana Maharajaentered the ISKCON temple to take darsan of theDeities, the ISKCON guru remained sitting therewithout standing or offering any kind of respect tothe revered guest and continued his lecture, evenaccepting a garland without acknowledging the presenceof HH Narayana Maharaj, who took seat amongst thecrowd and listened patiently the lecture, after whichthe ISKCON guru only paid attention to him with afeigned courtesy and garlanded him with his ownremnants, when approached by the vaisnava.Is this the way we teach our devotees the properrespect for senior Vaisnavas?Usually when there is a complaint, the presenter isclassified as: frustrated, disgruntled, but actually Iam very enthusiastic on my preaching. Moreover, if youallow Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON to return to theoriginal standard as started by Srila Prabhupada Iwill be 100 times more enthusiastic.Personally I can go on chanting and serving SrilaPrabhupada, preaching the message of Lord Caitanya,but my worry is for those young devotees, still on thenaive platform, thinking that everything is perfect,for the day will come when they will open their eyes,and will suffer so much and will became disgruntled.Personally I made that mistake. I believed in the 11empowered acaryas, I also became proud and made sufferso many devotees, and now I am suffering thereactions.I was very much displeased that my offering ofVyasapuja to Srila Prabhupada was lost andunpublished, also because it is an example of howdangerous is to be naive in spiritual life. I takeadvantage of this open letter to present also openly,my simple offering to Srila Prabhupada, as an end tothis letter Falling at the feet of all the Vaisnavasand begging forgiveness for all my offences.Servant of the servant Somaka SwamiTired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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