**FORMALITY IS GOING ON**

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**FORMALITY IS GOING ON**Formality is going on but the real message preaching

this has stoppedsuffocating the movement. Everywhere there is business

franchise: "guru" franchise, Temple President franchise, Tapes franchise, Books

franchise, Videos franchise, CDs franchise. On top of this there is growing

"own" books/tapes business mechanisms by motivated individuals thus preventing

Srila Prabhupada's books from being sold. Many Srila Prabhupada's books are

also being edited and meanings changed so sales of books will suffer immensely

as the news spreads like wildfire. **Why?** Should anyone want to purchase a

changed book** not** authorised by Srila Prabhupada.Note: Now we only see**

formalities** In Iskcon but in reality everything is collapsing. On the other

hand-- (commodity: worshipping Srila Prabhupada our bonafide initiating guru is

right!).Ritvik tide is increasing. That's a fact. 760422r3.mel Devotee (2): Is

the Krsna movement still growing?Prabhupada: What do you think?Brian Singer: In

numbers. Yeah. I think yes, but I don't know.Prabhupada: Yes. It must grow. If

it is good, there must be customer. And if it is bad--it is cheating--there may

be some customer for some time, **then it will be finished.** That is the test

of reality and false thing.You can cheat persons with false things for some

time, but if your**commodity is right, the customer will increase.** That's a

fact. The more people will appreciate, "Oh, here is nice commodity. Purchase

it..."Note:Srila Prabhupada said no salaries for devotees. But now huge

salaries are the norm to key members (this is an open secret): Temple

Presidents and Key staff defying Srila Prabhupada. On top of this there is the

H-I-N-D-U JACKPOT at festivals like Janmastmi etc where much money can be

collected from Hindus for secret share out among members. Is it

not?730919rc.bomPrabhupada: That is very dangerous. Then you will all fall

down. If youmake a joint mess, if you go and collect something and then eat and

sleep, then everything will be... Therefore I do not want to keep separate. The

temple worship means there will be regulative principles, that you will have to

rise early in the morning, you have to attend class, kirtana...These things, as

soon as you give up all these things, zero. Then it will be like karmis, as

they are, hard labor, collecting money, and enjoying senses. That's all. **So

that is the pitfall everywhere. In the church, temple, as soon as they get some

nice income, then in the name of "priest,sadhu,sannyasi," they do the same

thing.** Therefore Gosvamis, they left everything. That is the danger of visaya,

visaya touch. Visaya chadiya se rase majiya. As soon as we give up this

sravanam, kirtanam, then it becomes visaya. Visaya means materialism. There is

no spiritualism. Ksurasya dhara, ksurasya dhara. Ksura means sharpened razor.

If you are careful, you cleanse very nicely. If you are not careful,

immediately blood. Immediately. So the spiritual life is like that. As soon as

you become little inattentive, immediately maya captures, "Yes, come on." Then

everything failure. We have got the tendency to enjoy sense. So senses are

strong. As soon as there is opportunity, the senses will take advantage

immediately. Then your whole business finished.Note: Before the stage of Bhava

where revelation takes place everyone is a neophyte(Kanistha adhikari).

Unfortunately there is a system prevalent in Iskcon that manufactures "acaryas"

by 2/3 majority votes although they are neophytes.This concocted " voted

acaryas" want to be worshiped on the level of asgood as God--position strictly

reserved for Mahabhagavat(see CC antya24.330).Brahma-samhita 5.38 **When** the

devotion of the **neophyte** reaches the stage ofbhava-bhakti the pure eye of

that devotee is tinged with the salve of love by the grace of Krsna, which

enables him to** see Krsna face to face.** The phrase "in their hearts" means

Krsna is visible in proportion as their hearts are purified by the practice of

devotion. The sum and substance of this sloka is that the form of Krsna, who is

Syamasundara, Natavara (Best Dancer), Muralidhara (Holder of the Flute) and

Tribhanga (Triple-bending), is not a mental concoction but is transcendental,

and is visible with the eye of the soul of the devotee under trance.Note:

Acarya is not by the concocted 2/3 majority voting performed by the GBC. On the

Bhava stage Madhyama adhikaris spiritually initiated by Uttama-

adhikari(Prabhupada) because of offenseless chanting relishes loving mellows

with Krishna (see 4.192-4.194 antya). AFTER bhava is prema-stage

(uttama-adhikari) Acarya. This is qualification---complete training! Watch

here, see how Prabhupada **knows** the mentality to become cheap(sahajiya)

"acarya" is brewing up---this is in April 1977.770422r3.bom Tamala Krsna: Well,

I have studied myself and all of your disciples, andit's clear fact that **we

are all conditioned souls, so we cannot beguru.** **Maybe** one day it may be

possible...Prabhupada: Hm.Tamala Krsna: ...but not now.Prabhupada: Yes. I shall

choose some guru. I shall say, "Now you becomeacarya. You become authorized." I

am waiting for that. You become allacarya. I retire completely. But the

training **must** be **complete.**Tamala Krsna: The process of purification

must be there.Prabhupada: Oh, yes, must be there. Caitanya Mahaprabhu wants

that. Amaraajnaya guru hana. "You become guru." (laughs) But be qualified.

Littlething, strictly follower...Tamala Krsna: **Not rubber stamp.**Prabhupada:

**Then you'll not be effective. You can cheat, but it will notbe effective.**

Just see our Gaudiya Matha. Everyone wanted to become guru,and a small temple

and "guru." What kind of guru? No publication, nopreaching, simply bring some

foodstuff... My Guru Maharaja used to say,**"Joint mess,"** a place for eating

and sleeping. Amar amar ara takana(?)(Bengali): "Joint mess." He said

this.Note: Gradually nobody will go----once cheated twice shy! So

the"customers" are going away no amount of Public Relations campaign will

bring them back. Why should anyone want to become a slave of a 2/3 majority

votedconditioned soul "guru"? Notice how the key members Presidents etc earning

huge amounts from this game **this is why** they do not want ritvik initiations

**set up by Srila Prabhupada himself**. Is it not?750407mw.may Satsvarupa:

Srila Prabhupada, sometimes you say only a very smallpercentage can take to

Krsna consciousness.Prabhupada: Yes.Satsvarupa: But yesterday morning in your

lecture you were saying it can expand to ten thousand, million, or ten

million.Prabhupada: Yes, if you take the proper way it can be

increased.Satsvarupa: Is that just up to our preaching?Prabhupada: Yes. That

will depend on your purified preaching activities. If you again become

materially victimized, then you cannot do it. If you remain on the spiritual

platform, if you try, then it will increase. Anandambudhi-vardhanam. It will

increase. As soon as there is any contemplation of sense gratification, then

the spirit will be lost. Then instead of Christianity, it will be

"Churchianity," officially going to the church, doing nothing, **and gradually

nobody will go.**Rupanuga: Like the Christians.Prabhupada: Yes. Everywhere.

Christians... Now who are coming here, in so many temples? Nobody is coming.

They have made it a business, "Oh, the Caitanya Mahaprabhu's birthday, you come

here." And somebody will come, collect some money, and then there is no

business--go away.Note: Temples--means of livelihood result:

deteriorate---neglect.760924SB.VRN Just like immediately our Subhavilasa Prabhu

was asking me that "We have seen so many temples. Why they are so neglected?" Is

it not your question?And why they should not neglect it? The, mostly, the

temples, they havebecome the **means of livelihood.** That is the defect.

Temple is not meant for means of livelihood. **Then it will deteriorate.** How

long you can falsely worship Deity and make show of arati? You cannot go on

very long time. That is not possible. You'll be disgusted. Unless there is

feeling, bhava, that "Here is Krsna. Krsna has very kindly come here to

receive, to take, accept my humble service. He's so great that He cannot be

approached by a person like me." Anor aniyan mahato mahiyan.Note: "History

repeats itself"----- as goes the saying.Common sense: who in his right mind

will want worship 2/3 majority voted conditioned soul "gurus" and fill their

pockets and their key men. Success: collecting Hindus for livelihood

donations----bas! Is it not?760502rc.fij They are satisfied if they could

construct one temple and beg some ricefrom the neighborhood: "Sir, we have got

some temple," that's all. They are satisfied. The spirit of preaching

forward--papi tapi jata chilo, hari-name uddharilo--that is stopped. So by

hari-nama, by chanting, by this way, to live little peacefully in the temple

and eat and sleep, that much they have got. If that is the success, that

success they have got. And this was condemned by my Guru Maharaja, that "To

earn some money by showing Deity in the temple and eat and sleep--better you

become a sweeper in the street and earn your honest livelihood and live." This

is cheating. This was condemned. To construct a temple.... Just like the

Vrndavana Gosvamis are doing. They thought that "This is our business. Some

innocent people will come here and offer some.... Bas, that's our good income."

According to the temple's popularity, they think, "This is our success."

Therefore they are deteriorating. So that is not success. Success is his who is

pushing forward the preaching method.