Guest guest Posted April 3, 2005 Report Share Posted April 3, 2005 Media_Monitor2From: HINDU VOICE <hinduvoice (AT) vsnl (DOT) net>Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:23:14 +0530[Media_Monitor] HINDU NATIONA Movement to make India a Hindu NationThe What, Why and HowWhat: Bharat is a land of Sants and Rishis. Many Gods and Rishis have taken avatar in this land - Raam, Krishna, Mahavir, Bhuddha, Guru Nanak, etc. Therefore, it is called Devbhoomi too. Bharat has all along been a de facto Hindu Nation, although it has been ruled by Muslims and Christians for nearly 1000 years. There is no country in the world which, after being enslaved for nearly 1000 years, takes rebirth as one country. Bharat did so, in spite of so much diversity in the name of caste, language, region, etc. This oneness was due to the cultural unity of Bharat, which in other word is called Hindutva. Moreover, Dharm and Nationalism have always been interlinked in Bharat. For example, in a Pooja, the 'sankalpa' begins with "Bharata varshe, Bharata kande ...", a clear reverence to Motherland. India can remain united only on the basis of Hindutva, i.e. Hindu Principles, which encompasses everything humanity stands for. Even today Bharat is a Hindu Nation; otherwise democracy and secularism could not have survived. Why: Today one fears that history is being repeated and Bharat may once again slip into the hands of forces inimical to democracy and secularism, who may rule Bharat as dictators enforcing their religious dogmas on Hindus. It is therefore the duty of every citizen believing in peace, tolerance and pluralism, to ensure that Bharat remains a Hindu Nation, both de facto and de jure. Then and then only democracy, secularism, freedom and fundamental rights can be ensured in the country. This can be done simply by changing the method of electing the Rashtrapathi and Upa-Rashtrapathi. How: The country should be treated as the assets of Sadhus and Sants, and the destiny of the country should be entrusted to them. The Sadhus, Sants, Mahants, Sanyasis, Dharmacharyas, etc. of all hues of Bharat should form a Dharma Sansad, which will meet once in five years, and elect: (a) One Rashtrapathi, and (b) Five Upa-Rashtrapathis.who will be installed at the Rashtrapathi Bhavan with a Pooja and Raja Abishek.Out of the five Upa-Rashtrapathis, one Upa-Rashtrapathi will be in the Capital, Delhi, assisting the Rashtrapathi and the other four will be positioned at the four regions of the country.The Rashtrapathi, in consultation with the Upa-Rashtrapathis, will appoint Governors for all states. The Rashtrapathi, Upa-Rashtrapathis and the Governors of all states will form a Constituent Assembly and adopt our present Constitution, with appropriate changes if necessary. There need not be any major changes in the present set-up and the three wings - Legislature, Executive and Judiciary - could be maintained. The federal structure, as is existing today, could also be retained.Since the Rashtrapathi and the Upa-Rashtrapathis (as also the Governors to be appointed by them) will be selected by the Dharma Sansad, they will definitely be men of character and integrity. That itself will solve most of the problems - social, economic and political.For implementing this proposal, a Movement should be started - to convince our Sadhus, Sants, Dharmacharyas, Politicians, etc. As there will be no changes in the existing electoral politics, there is no reason why a politician should oppose this arrangement, unless he is interested in gutter politics.Given below is the Mandate, enshrining the basic features, which the people of this country should adopt and give to the Dharma Sansad.The MandateWe, the Hindus of Bharat, also called Hindusthan, having solemnly resolved to constitute Bharat into a Hindu Dharmic Republic, and to secure to all its citizens, irrespective of caste, creed, colour, language, region and religion:JUSTICE, social, economic and political;LIBERTY of thought, expression, belief, faith and worship;EQUALITY of status and of opportunity; and to promote among them allFRATERNITY assuring the dignity of the individual and ensuring the unity and integrity of the Nation;GIVE this Mandate to the Sadhus, Sants, Mahants and Dharmacharyas, collectively called the Dharma Sansad, to run the affairs of Bharat through their representatives - namely One Rashtrapathi and Five Upa-Rashtrapathis - selected at the meeting of the Dharma Sansad.Adopted and enacted on this .......th day of ........... 2005.I appeal to all Hindus, Hindu Organisations, Politicians and general public to come forward and support this movement, culminating into a Referendum. I also humbly request our Sadhus, Sants and Dharmacharyas to espouse this National cause and motivate their followers to bring moral pressure on all concerned, so that our beloved Motherland does not fall into alien hands endangering its unity, democracy and secularism, and Bharat becomes a heaven on earth, as it once was.I also request readers to come forward with their views on this matter of national importance.P. DeivamuthuEditorHINDU VOICE(A Monthly espousing the cause of Hindutva)4, Alakjyoth, Aarey Road, Goregaon East, Mumbai 400063, India.Tel: 28764418, 28764460, 28742812.[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]------------------------ Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Give underprivileged students the materials they need to learn. 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Guest guest Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 HinduThought, "vrnparker" <vrnparker> wrote: I say this with respect and in the mood of courteous debate. I apologise in advance, for, to offend is not my intention. I however completely disagree that this is a nonsense idea. My only suggestion to the plan is to use the word 'Vedic' rather than 'Hindu.' You speak as if India and the world are living in some kind of utopia. The fact is modern government and society is dysfunctional. When something is not working, it is only logical to seek out other options. This proposal is another option. As long people do not accept that ancient India had a functioning system of governance, people will believe that it could not be applicable today. No, the modern day Sants are not in hi- tech....perhaps there are some, but as a frequent visitor to India, I can vouch that India is not short on Sants who do live in Rishikesh, Navadvip, Vrndavan, Tirumala, Kanchi etc. Having personally spoken to these noble souls on the very topics of government, education etc I have no doubt that if their views were implemented, India would not only benefit but truly reach its potential. If the 'pro-serbian bombing' Pope and Kofi Annan can be considered as worthy sources of wisdom, why not our own modern day Indian Vedic leaders? Please name one hitech 'Sant' that is doing anything that is uplifting anything more than his bank account? Stalin, Hitler and others have all opened schools, hospitals etc. and no matter how many schools and hospitals one opens, there will always be sick and uneducated people. The goal of good governance is to create a society that allows its citizens to seek those things which differentiate human society from the animals. A Vedic society is one that creates an atmosphere where one can develop a higher consciousness and prepares one for the future, both in this world and in the next. But if one does not beleive in the research of the ancient vedic seers, and consider them as sentimentalists, then we will only continue running blind. The tragedy is that the ancients have given us solutions to all our problems and the modern world is ignoring them. Putting faith in hi- tech, we only create a soul-less society. The Germans experimented in this idea of modern superiority based on hi-tech and came to the natural conclusion that some humans are masters and some slaves. Hi- tech is only a small tool that has offered more misery than benefit to the world so far. whether it be the ancient structures, pyramids, delhi's ancient iron pillar, the Vedas etc the evidence shows that the ancients had the highest technology and we in our modern ways have only disrupted the natural order. I, for one, am convinced that we need serious study of the ancient ways, and once understood, the ways of the ancients should be applied as much as possible. Compared to the tragedy of modernism, what is the danger? Namaste HinduThought, "Rao, Ramesh" <ramesh@t...> wrote: > Folks, > > This is the kind of nonsense that will make India more a lure for > evangelists than anything else. Who are the dharma adhikaris, sants and > rishis in India now? Please do not give credence to a badly argued > essay by circulating it around. > > India's "sants" are now in hi-tech, not in Rishikesh or Kanchi, and it > is better to give the new sants a chance before we all drown ourselves > in some new Hindu "cult". > > Regards, > > Ramesh Rao > > > Vrin Parker [vrinparker] > Sunday, April 03, 2005 11:59 PM > vediculture; hinduthought; > indicjournalists > [HinduThought] HINDU NATION > > > > > HINDU VOICE <hinduvoice@v...> wrote:To: > Media_Monitor2 > HINDU VOICE <hinduvoice@v...> > Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:23:14 +0530 > [Media_Monitor] HINDU NATION > > > > A Movement to make India a Hindu Nation > > The What, Why and How > > What: Bharat is a land of Sants and Rishis. Many Gods and Rishis have > taken avatar in this land - Raam, Krishna, Mahavir, Bhuddha, Guru Nanak, > etc. Therefore, it is called Devbhoomi too. Bharat has all along been a > de facto Hindu Nation, although it has been ruled by Muslims and > Christians for nearly 1000 years. There is no country in the world > which, after being enslaved for nearly 1000 years, takes rebirth as one > country. Bharat did so, in spite of so much diversity in the name of > caste, language, region, etc. This oneness was due to the cultural unity > of Bharat, which in other word is called Hindutva. Moreover, Dharm and > Nationalism have always been interlinked in Bharat. For example, in a > Pooja, the 'sankalpa' begins with "Bharata varshe, Bharata kande ...", a > clear reverence to Motherland. India can remain united only on the basis > of Hindutva, i.e. Hindu Principles, which encompasses everything > humanity stands for. Even today Bharat is a Hindu Nation; otherwise > democracy > and > secularism could not have survived. > > Why: Today one fears that history is being repeated and Bharat may once > again slip into the hands of forces inimical to democracy and > secularism, who may rule Bharat as dictators enforcing their religious > dogmas on Hindus. It is therefore the duty of every citizen believing in > peace, tolerance and pluralism, to ensure that Bharat remains a Hindu > Nation, both de facto and de jure. Then and then only democracy, > secularism, freedom and fundamental rights can be ensured in the > country. This can be done simply by changing the method of electing the > Rashtrapathi and Upa-Rashtrapathi. > > How: The country should be treated as the assets of Sadhus and Sants, > and the destiny of the country should be entrusted to them. The Sadhus, > Sants, Mahants, Sanyasis, Dharmacharyas, etc. of all hues of Bharat > should form a Dharma Sansad, which will meet once in five years, and > elect: > > (a) One Rashtrapathi, and > > (b) Five Upa-Rashtrapathis. > > who will be installed at the Rashtrapathi Bhavan with a Pooja and Raja > Abishek. > > Out of the five Upa-Rashtrapathis, one Upa-Rashtrapathi will be in the > Capital, Delhi, assisting the Rashtrapathi and the other four will be > positioned at the four regions of the country. > > The Rashtrapathi, in consultation with the Upa-Rashtrapathis, will > appoint Governors for all states. The Rashtrapathi, Upa- Rashtrapathis > and the Governors of all states will form a Constituent Assembly and > adopt our present Constitution, with appropriate changes if necessary. > There need not be any major changes in the present set-up and the three > wings - Legislature, Executive and Judiciary - could be maintained. The > federal structure, as is existing today, could also be retained. > > Since the Rashtrapathi and the Upa-Rashtrapathis (as also the Governors > to be appointed by them) will be selected by the Dharma Sansad, they > will definitely be men of character and integrity. That itself will > solve most of the problems - social, economic and political. > > For implementing this proposal, a Movement should be started - to > convince our Sadhus, Sants, Dharmacharyas, Politicians, etc. As there > will be no changes in the existing electoral politics, there is no > reason why a politician should oppose this arrangement, unless he is > interested in gutter politics. > > Given below is the Mandate, enshrining the basic features, which the > people of this country should adopt and give to the Dharma Sansad. > > The Mandate > > We, the Hindus of Bharat, also called Hindusthan, having solemnly > resolved to constitute Bharat into a Hindu Dharmic Republic, and to > secure to all its citizens, irrespective of caste, creed, colour, > language, region and religion: > > JUSTICE, social, economic and political; > > LIBERTY of thought, expression, belief, faith and worship; > > EQUALITY of status and of opportunity; and to promote among them all > > FRATERNITY assuring the dignity of the individual and ensuring the unity > and integrity of the Nation; > > GIVE this Mandate to the Sadhus, Sants, Mahants and Dharmacharyas, > collectively called the Dharma Sansad, to run the affairs of Bharat > through their representatives - namely One Rashtrapathi and Five > Upa-Rashtrapathis - selected at the meeting of the Dharma Sansad. > > Adopted and enacted on this .......th day of ........... 2005. > > > I appeal to all Hindus, Hindu Organisations, Politicians and general > public to come forward and support this movement, culminating into a > Referendum. I also humbly request our Sadhus, Sants and Dharmacharyas to > espouse this National cause and motivate their followers to bring moral > pressure on all concerned, so that our beloved Motherland does not fall > into alien hands endangering its unity, democracy and secularism, and > Bharat becomes a heaven on earth, as it once was. > > I also request readers to come forward with their views on this matter > of national importance. > > P. Deivamuthu > Editor > HINDU VOICE > (A Monthly espousing the cause of Hindutva) > 4, Alakjyoth, Aarey Road, Goregaon East, Mumbai 400063, India. > Tel: 28764418, 28764460, 28742812. > > > > > =========================================== > Please email mw_mod if you want to from this group > or change mailing options. > =========================================== > archives - media_monitor2/messages > ========================================= > Links > > > > > > Better first dates. More second dates. 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Guest guest Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 There are some new experts who are causing bad name to both vedic/hindu culture.Well the so called experts like actor rahul bose are openly calling hinduism regressive in chat shows.Then we have times of India calling lord shiva "Cool Dude".Wearing Om on a chain and addressing each other jai ramji or jai shree krishna is considered backward by the so called elite upper class hindus.Where as wearing cross and saying inshallah or going to church is considered progressive.Enemies of hinduism today are marxists/leftist intellectuals and self proclaimed modernists who are neither indian nor western. sreeram ountry is -- In vediculture, "vrnparker" <vrnparker> wrote: > > HinduThought, "vrnparker" <vrnparker> > wrote: > > I say this with respect and in the mood of courteous debate. I > apologise in advance, for, to offend is not my intention. I however > completely disagree that this is a nonsense idea. My only suggestion > to the plan is to use the word 'Vedic' rather than 'Hindu.' > > You speak as if India and the world are living in some kind of > utopia. The fact is modern government and society is dysfunctional. > When something is not working, it is only logical to seek out other > options. This proposal is another option. > As long people do not accept that ancient India had a functioning > system of governance, people will believe that it could not be > applicable today. No, the modern day Sants are not in hi- > tech....perhaps there are some, but as a frequent visitor to India, I > can vouch that India is not short on Sants who do live in Rishikesh, > Navadvip, Vrndavan, Tirumala, Kanchi etc. Having personally spoken to > these noble souls on the very topics of government, education etc I > have no doubt that if their views were implemented, India would not > only benefit but truly reach its potential. > If the 'pro-serbian bombing' Pope and Kofi Annan can be considered as > worthy sources of wisdom, why not our own modern day Indian Vedic > leaders? > Please name one hitech 'Sant' that is doing anything that is > uplifting anything more than his bank account? Stalin, Hitler and > others have all opened schools, hospitals etc. and no matter how many > schools and hospitals one opens, there will always be sick and > uneducated people. The goal of good governance is to create a society > that allows its citizens to seek those things which differentiate > human society from the animals. A Vedic society is one that creates > an atmosphere where one can develop a higher consciousness and > prepares one for the future, both in this world and in the next. > But if one does not beleive in the research of the ancient vedic > seers, and consider them as sentimentalists, then we will only > continue running blind. > The tragedy is that the ancients have given us solutions to all our > problems and the modern world is ignoring them. Putting faith in hi- > tech, we only create a soul-less society. The Germans experimented in > this idea of modern superiority based on hi-tech and came to the > natural conclusion that some humans are masters and some slaves. Hi- > tech is only a small tool that has offered more misery than benefit > to the world so far. > whether it be the ancient structures, pyramids, delhi's ancient iron > pillar, the Vedas etc the evidence shows that the ancients had the > highest technology and we in our modern ways have only disrupted the > natural order. I, for one, am convinced that we need serious study of > the ancient ways, and once understood, the ways of the ancients > should be applied as much as possible. Compared to the tragedy of > modernism, what is the danger? Namaste > > HinduThought, "Rao, Ramesh" <ramesh@t...> > wrote: > > Folks, > > > > This is the kind of nonsense that will make India more a lure for > > evangelists than anything else. Who are the dharma adhikaris, > sants and > > rishis in India now? Please do not give credence to a badly argued > > essay by circulating it around. > > > > India's "sants" are now in hi-tech, not in Rishikesh or Kanchi, and > it > > is better to give the new sants a chance before we all drown > ourselves > > in some new Hindu "cult". > > > > Regards, > > > > Ramesh Rao > > > > > > Vrin Parker [vrinparker] > > Sunday, April 03, 2005 11:59 PM > > vediculture; hinduthought; > > indicjournalists > > [HinduThought] HINDU NATION > > > > > > > > > > HINDU VOICE <hinduvoice@v...> wrote:To: > > Media_Monitor2 > > HINDU VOICE <hinduvoice@v...> > > Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:23:14 +0530 > > [Media_Monitor] HINDU NATION > > > > > > > > A Movement to make India a Hindu Nation > > > > The What, Why and How > > > > What: Bharat is a land of Sants and Rishis. Many Gods and Rishis > have > > taken avatar in this land - Raam, Krishna, Mahavir, Bhuddha, Guru > Nanak, > > etc. Therefore, it is called Devbhoomi too. Bharat has all along > been a > > de facto Hindu Nation, although it has been ruled by Muslims and > > Christians for nearly 1000 years. There is no country in the world > > which, after being enslaved for nearly 1000 years, takes rebirth as > one > > country. Bharat did so, in spite of so much diversity in the name of > > caste, language, region, etc. This oneness was due to the cultural > unity > > of Bharat, which in other word is called Hindutva. Moreover, Dharm > and > > Nationalism have always been interlinked in Bharat. For example, in > a > > Pooja, the 'sankalpa' begins with "Bharata varshe, Bharata > kande ...", a > > clear reverence to Motherland. India can remain united only on the > basis > > of Hindutva, i.e. Hindu Principles, which encompasses everything > > humanity stands for. Even today Bharat is a Hindu Nation; otherwise > > democracy > > and > > secularism could not have survived. > > > > Why: Today one fears that history is being repeated and Bharat may > once > > again slip into the hands of forces inimical to democracy and > > secularism, who may rule Bharat as dictators enforcing their > religious > > dogmas on Hindus. It is therefore the duty of every citizen > believing in > > peace, tolerance and pluralism, to ensure that Bharat remains a > Hindu > > Nation, both de facto and de jure. Then and then only democracy, > > secularism, freedom and fundamental rights can be ensured in the > > country. This can be done simply by changing the method of electing > the > > Rashtrapathi and Upa-Rashtrapathi. > > > > How: The country should be treated as the assets of Sadhus and > Sants, > > and the destiny of the country should be entrusted to them. The > Sadhus, > > Sants, Mahants, Sanyasis, Dharmacharyas, etc. of all hues of Bharat > > should form a Dharma Sansad, which will meet once in five years, and > > elect: > > > > (a) One Rashtrapathi, and > > > > (b) Five Upa-Rashtrapathis. > > > > who will be installed at the Rashtrapathi Bhavan with a Pooja and > Raja > > Abishek. > > > > Out of the five Upa-Rashtrapathis, one Upa-Rashtrapathi will be in > the > > Capital, Delhi, assisting the Rashtrapathi and the other four will > be > > positioned at the four regions of the country. > > > > The Rashtrapathi, in consultation with the Upa-Rashtrapathis, will > > appoint Governors for all states. The Rashtrapathi, Upa- > Rashtrapathis > > and the Governors of all states will form a Constituent Assembly and > > adopt our present Constitution, with appropriate changes if > necessary. > > There need not be any major changes in the present set-up and the > three > > wings - Legislature, Executive and Judiciary - could be maintained. > The > > federal structure, as is existing today, could also be retained. > > > > Since the Rashtrapathi and the Upa-Rashtrapathis (as also the > Governors > > to be appointed by them) will be selected by the Dharma Sansad, they > > will definitely be men of character and integrity. That itself will > > solve most of the problems - social, economic and political. > > > > For implementing this proposal, a Movement should be started - to > > convince our Sadhus, Sants, Dharmacharyas, Politicians, etc. As > there > > will be no changes in the existing electoral politics, there is no > > reason why a politician should oppose this arrangement, unless he is > > interested in gutter politics. > > > > Given below is the Mandate, enshrining the basic features, which the > > people of this country should adopt and give to the Dharma Sansad. > > > > The Mandate > > > > We, the Hindus of Bharat, also called Hindusthan, having solemnly > > resolved to constitute Bharat into a Hindu Dharmic Republic, and to > > secure to all its citizens, irrespective of caste, creed, colour, > > language, region and religion: > > > > JUSTICE, social, economic and political; > > > > LIBERTY of thought, expression, belief, faith and worship; > > > > EQUALITY of status and of opportunity; and to promote among them all > > > > FRATERNITY assuring the dignity of the individual and ensuring the > unity > > and integrity of the Nation; > > > > GIVE this Mandate to the Sadhus, Sants, Mahants and Dharmacharyas, > > collectively called the Dharma Sansad, to run the affairs of Bharat > > through their representatives - namely One Rashtrapathi and Five > > Upa-Rashtrapathis - selected at the meeting of the Dharma Sansad. > > > > Adopted and enacted on this .......th day of ........... 2005. > > > > > > I appeal to all Hindus, Hindu Organisations, Politicians and general > > public to come forward and support this movement, culminating into a > > Referendum. I also humbly request our Sadhus, Sants and > Dharmacharyas to > > espouse this National cause and motivate their followers to bring > moral > > pressure on all concerned, so that our beloved Motherland does not > fall > > into alien hands endangering its unity, democracy and secularism, > and > > Bharat becomes a heaven on earth, as it once was. > > > > I also request readers to come forward with their views on this > matter > > of national importance. > > > > P. Deivamuthu > > Editor > > HINDU VOICE > > (A Monthly espousing the cause of Hindutva) > > 4, Alakjyoth, Aarey Road, Goregaon East, Mumbai 400063, India. > > Tel: 28764418, 28764460, 28742812. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =========================================== > > Please email mw_mod if you want to from this group > > or change mailing options. > > =========================================== > > archives - media_monitor2/messages > > ========================================= > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Better first dates. More second dates. Personals > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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