No Sati Rituals in Sanatana Dharma

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>FROM:siromani

>THERE WAS AND NO SATI RITUALS IN SANATANA DHARMA

>

>There is so much false propaganda against Hindu CULTURE in the world and

>it is about time, we Hindus every where on earth and stand up and fight a

>PEACEFUL WAR. Apathy on our part will only make our lives through out the

>world miserable.

>

>After publishing my international best seller AM I A HINDU?

>[www.amaiahindu.com ] in 1988, I am bombarded by e-mails from people who

>question every aspect of HINDU CULTURE, without reading not even one verse

>from a Hindu scripture. They write books and they give sermons without

>quoting a verse from Bhagavad Gita or from Vedas or from Upanishads.

>

>Your point that there is NO mention of SATI in the Manu Smriti is very

>true. Sage Manu has mentioned the word WIDOW a number of times in

>Manusmriti. Just read what he wrote in one verse about WIDOW in

>Manusmriti..." If a woman abandoned by her husband, or a widow, of her

>own accord contracts a second marriage and bears (a son), he is called the

>son of a re-married woman (Paunarbhava)."

>

>So the whole idea that Hindus practice SATI is a lie. We have to defend

>our values in the market place. We cannot sit idle, when people make fun

>of our ethics and morality. Any Hindu any where on this planet should be

>able to proudly say I AM A HINDU. We have to create an atmospehere to do

>that.

>

>ed viswanathan

>

>

>aryasamajonline, akhilesh Bharti

><akhilesh.bharti@g...> wrote:

> >Dear Viswanathan,

> >

> >Thanks for taking so much time to arrange the facts about Sati. In

> >fact Maharishi Dyanand Sarswati also challenged at his time to show

> >even one example of Sati from the ancient India or form the holy

>books

> >of the Aryans. Even in the Manu Smriti (which is known to be the

>First

> >evere Constitution or Code book) Does not make any reference to

>Sati

> >in the form it is known today. Of course a Lady who performed all

>her

> >duties to her husband in particular and to the family in gernal was

> >called Sati, and it had nothing to do with the sucidal act.

> >

> >But to spread the message I would like every one to forward the

>mail

> >of Mr. Viswanathan to all the friends.

> >

> >I would also like to add one thing that it is not about North &

>South

> >India but about Hinduism (Vedic Dharam) as a whole. Also about the

> >Rajputas who practised Sati I would like to add that we should also

> >understand what did the invaders do with their wives. The used to

>rape

> >them again and again till they would die. To avoid this they (the

> >widows of Rajuputas ) found this as a solution. The Story of Rani

> >Padmini is an example of this. Rani Padmini did not commit sucide

>to

> >practise a religious act but to avoid the invader ' s bad itentions

> >about her. The attack it is said was to get Rani Padmini only and

>she

> >avoided that by doing what has been glorified as being called as

>SATI.

> >You can read the story many times but you cannot find that the act

>was

> >reperesentation of any Hindu Religious Act but was only to save her

> >diginity.

> >

> >Akhilesh

> >

> >On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 11:06:15 -0700 (PDT), Ed Viswanathan

> ><edvis9> wrote:

> >>

> >>SATI OR Suttee----Widows jumping into funeral pyre of the

>fallen husbands

> >>

> >>I am forced to write about this subject since the most popular

>evangelist Pat Robertson and his 700 club are still harping on this

>subject to put down Hindus and Hinduism through out the world. We

>cannot ignore these matters. Unless we stand up and explain facts,

>lies about Hinduism will treated as truth by millions.

> >>

> >>One autumn morning in 1939 in Frankfurt, when a small pebble

>hit one of the glass windows of a beautiful crystal synagogue, every

>Jew thought it was just a childish prank. Little the Jews knew

>then, that the broken glass was the beginning of the eradication

>of 6 million Jews few months later. Dr Joseph Goebbels,

>Hitler's Propaganda Minister said: "Repeat a lie a thousand times

>and it becomes the truth ..." .

> >>

> >>So, if lies are not answered, people will treat those lies as

>truth.

> >>

> >>SATI or SUTTEE is the most horrendous act of widows killing

>themselves jumping into the funeral pyre of their dead husbands,

>sometimes willfully and sometimes forcefully by others. Sati is

>described as a "Hindu custom in India " in which the widow was

>burnt to ashes on her dead husband's pyre..

> >>

> >>Suttee has nothing to do with Hinduism. To say "Suttee" is

>part of Hinduism, is exactly like saying "Salem witch hunt" and "

>Spanish killing of Mayans" and "bloody inquisitions" have something

>to do with the teachings of Jesus Christ.

> >>

> >>The heart-rending sight of his sister-in- law's 'Suttee' made

>the great Hindu reformer Raja Ram Mohan Roy to search every Hindu

>scripture to see whether there is any statement regarding SUTTEE.

>He could not find one. That made him fight this injustice to women

>in some parts of North India.

> >>

> >>There is not even one scriptural statement concerning Suttee in

>four Vedas or in 108 Upanishads, or in 18 major Puranas, or in

>Ramayana or or in Mahabharata . On the contrary, according to the

>funeral hymns in RIGVEDA, there is a ceremony of widow sleeping next

>to the corpse of the dead husband and then being allowed to marry

>anyone she pleases.

> >>

> >>1 SUTTEE has nothing to do with the suicidal act of

>SATI, the consort of Lord Siva. She did that because of her father

>King Daksha [one of the 12 Prajapathi's---one of the 12 sons of Lord

>Brahma--born out of the thumb of Lord Brahma ] did not invite her

>and her husband Lord Siva for the YAGA [the ritualistic ceremony]

>and when she went "uninvited" King Daksha refused to recognize

>her. King Daksha had 100 daughters and SATI was the youngest

>one. All other daughters married Rishis, whereas SATI married Lord

>Siva against the wishes of king Daksha. So it was a "family feud"

>that resulted in the untimely demise of SATI than the act of Suttee.

> >>

> >>2 RAMAYANA----In the epic Ramayana, after Lord Rama's

>father king Dasaratha died, none of his three wives [ Kausalya,

>Sumitra and Kaikeyi ] practiced SUTTEE. In Ramayana, when the

>monkey-king BALI died, his wife TARA married his brother SUGREEVA.

>When the demon king RAVANA got killed, his wife MANDODHARI did not

>kill herself....The act of SUTTEE is seen nowhere in the epic

>Ramayana.

> >>

> >>3 MAHABHARATA---There is not even one act of SUTTEE in

>the whole epic poem of Mahabharata in which thousands of men got

>killed in the great battle of Mahabharata. None of the 100 wives of

>the Kaurava warriors committed Suttee. I challenge every one to

>show me one incident of SUTTEE or SUTTEE in Hindu scriptures.

> >>

> >>4 Queen Madri's death [ King Pandu's second wife in

>Mahabharata epic] has nothing to do with Suttee. According to the

>Mahabharata epic, King Pandu had two wives. The first was Kunti [

>Pritha ] and second was Madri.

> >>

> >>Once king Pandu was hunting in the forest along with MADRI and

>he saw two antelopes mating. Pandu with an arrow shot the male

>antelope. Little did Pandu know that those antelopes were actually

>a saint and his wife. The dying male transformed himself to a saint

>[ RISHI ] and cursed King Pandu for slaying him during making

>love. Rishi cursed Pandu that he will die just like him , if he

>ever make love to his wife. From that time onwards, King Pandu

>lived in strict continence like a celibate [ BRAHMACHARI].

> >>

> >>But one day, Pandu lost his mind and chased Madri , who fought

>him from making love. But finally she gave in. During the

>intercourse, King Pandu died. Madri felt she was the reason why

>Pandu lost his life. Out of that guilt & remorse, Madri, jumped

>into the funeral pyre of her fallen husband.. So Madri's sucide

>has nothing to do with SUTTEE, since Kunti did not follow Madri and

>kill herself.

> >>

> >>5 SUICIDE OF KRISHNA'S 16000 WIVES has nothing to with

>SUTTEE. All of them were Devatas [ celestial beings ] who came for

>the exclusive purpose of assisting Lord Krishna to get rid of

>demons like KAMSA, SISUPALA, DURYODHANA, JARASANDHA etc. They left

>their bodies as soon as Lord Krishna left his EARTHLY BODY. So too

>Krishna's brother Balarama who was actually Ananthan - the 1000

>headed Serpent bed of Lord Vishnu.

> >>

> >>6 Queen Mandothiri, Ravana's wife did not kill herself when

>Ravana was killed in the Ramayana epic. Queen Tara, wife of

>monkey king BALI, did not kill herself when Bali was killed by

>Lord Rama. Instead she married, Bali's brother monkey king

>Sugreeva after the death of Bali.

> >>

> >>7 From where did the practice of Suttee come from? Suttee has

>its roots in Greece. Pyre services similar to Suttee were prevalent

>among Germans, Slavs and other races besides Greeks. The practice of

>SUTTEE came to India through KUSHANS in 1 A.D.

> >>

> >>Columbia Encyclopedia states " This strange practice of killing

>a favorite wife on her husband's grave has been found in many parts

>of the world; it was followed by such peoples as the Thracians, the

>Scythians, the ancient Egyptians, the Scandinavians, the Chinese,

>and peoples of Oceania and Africa."

> >>

> >>8 Who practiced Suttee in India ? It was RAJPUTS, a warrior

>tribe who were descendants of KUSHANS and who were very fanatic

>Hindus and who were extremely monogamous who practiced SUTTEE.

> >>

> >>10 Why did they practice Suttee? Rajputs were in constant

>wars within themselves and were also war with Moslems. So there were

>thousands of young widows and they feared that it is dangerous to

>have thousands of young, extremely beautiful widows running around

>and they went were the extreme measure of eliminating them. MOSLEMS

>had the same problem and they solved that by POLYGAMY, having four

>wives.

> >>

> >>11 What happened to the practice of Suttee? During 1829,

>British government in India, outlawed SUTTEE as a criminal offense.

>Suttee was never ever practiced in South India. Copycats appear now

>and then, but believe me vast majority of people have nothing to do

>with SUTTEEE.

> >>

> >>12 Even though Rajputs are Aryans, they only

>represent a small section of Aryans. Rajputs lived and still live

>in the Northwestern parts of India. Rajputs was a very fanatical

>Hindu tribes who practiced very strict monogamy and at the same

>time in constant wars with Moslems. Rajputs lost many young men in

>wars and they had a big population of very young widows.

> >>

> >>13 Like Rajuputs, Moslems were also in the same plight and

>to take care of the problem of young widows running around the

>country, prophet Mohammad encouraged POLYGAMY, in fact FOUR

>MARRIAGES. That code of allowing men to marry four wives is part of

>Koran. Unluckily, Hindu codes did not address that issue. So,

>Rajputs took an easy route of disposing very attractive very young

>widows.

> >>

> >>14 According to Hindu theologians sacrifices similar to

>Suttee was prevalent among some Greek tribes, Germans and Slavs.

>Many believe that Suttee came to India, when Kushans, a central

>Asian tribe attacked India in 1 A.D.

> >>

> >>15 As far as I know, Suttee was never practiced in South India.

>You may still hear occasional reports of Suttee, that are "copy-

>cats" trying to bring up that ancient custom for their own personal

>material needs.

> >>

> >>Ed Viswanathan www.amiahindu.com[1]

>

>Namaste arya-jan Varn vyavastha in vedic system is not controlled by

>father or son or any individual. It is controlled by gurukul and raja i.e.

>the governance. In vedic system there is free and compulsory su-shiksha

>and satya-vidya up to 48 years of age in gurukul for those who want to

>reach high. but 24 years of age is compulsory. if you read syatrathprakash

>shiksha vishyama it is written that if parents don’t send their wards

>girls and boys both to the gurrukul after certain age 5-7 years they will

>be punished. Who will punish them and why?? The answer isthe governance

>i.e rajdharma will punish them and why because Holy vedas lay the

>responsibility of imparting su shiksha and satya vidya on the rajdharma.

>If you read sixth sammulas on the first page itself holy Vedas have set

>two objectives for the governance- sukh prapti and vigyan vraddhi. For

>achieving these two objectives holy vedas have prescribed five fundamental

>rights for praja. They are: - dharma, sushiksha , stya-vidya, swatnatrya

>and aishvarya-dhan-aadi to be paribhushitah on praja (not just simply

>giving). This is for all manushya aadi prani. The word manushya aadi prani

>means for men , women napunsak-hijra may be ape- man, ban manush or

>him-manush etc. any body which will be categorized as manushya.

>Therefore imparting su-shiksha and satay-vidya at paribhushitah level i.e

>decorative level is the responsibility of the rajdhrama under vedic

>system. that is why there is punishment for parents. That is why the thing

>like democracy is rubbish. it is a-satya-vidya. it is not prescribed by

>Holy Vedas. it has to go and raj dharma has to come. Therefore under holy

>vedic system it is compulsory for every manushya aadi prani to stay in

>gurukul up to years of age and go through the process of learning not only

>just bread earning thoughstay-vidya but also high morality, good health

>through yoga, good food habits, knowledge of social and governance systems

>etc.as per prescribed course as written in 3 sammulaas No. three in

>patthan paatthan vishaya. So atthe end of 25 years age or 48 years of age

>or in between (what ever the case may be),of learning the gurukul

>prescribes depending on the performance and achievements and gives the

>outgoing person a vrana . this varan is used by the rajdharma i.e

>governance for fixing his or her awards-rewards, salary,benefits and

>punishments Level etc. if he /she commits crime. Society also just treats

>the person as per the varna given to him/her. If you read smammulas sixth

>it is written that brahmin should get sixteen times more punishment than

>shudra for the same crime. So If it is up to father and son to get a varna

>for themselves then at the time of salary and rewards they will say we are

>brahmins and at the time of punishment they will say we are shudra. But

>the record of rajdharma will tell in what varan he/she is an how much

>munishemnt they will get. Since this is a stayugi system there is no scope

>of hera feri or 420 or dishonesty etc of any kind . every where truth has

>to prevail in all actions and all deeds otherwise raj-dand will treat

>theperson accordingly to raj -niyam again. In raj dharma rules are very

>small.say manusmirit which is amanav dharma granth has only about 1800

>shlokas and mind you it is maanva dharma granth not just one country or

>stateor community .it is for all maanav. In manusmiriti the holy maharishi

>manu himself says: tejomayam dandam sarjyet i.e tejomaya ishawr had

>created the dandma by himself not me you or raja or assembly or ambdkar

>etc. they arerubbish. vedic dand system is created by tejomay ishawr. That

>is why brahmin get 16 time and raj-purush gets double the punishment than

>praj purush. Up to 64 times is prescribed for some cases. So back to varna

>. if any body wants to upgrade his/her varna then he she has to approach

>the gurukul again. Gurukul will reassess the achievements or leanings from

>life and experience and say another country and re-prescribe the varna.

>Just to mention in vedic dand system raja is punishable. raja harish

>chnadra, raja bhoj, maharja dhartrashtra etc were punished. In rajdharema

>terminology raja rules the state – maharaja is for center chkravarti

>rajya. One sate or rajyashould cover 100, 000 i.e one lac villages min.

>this is not to load praja with unnecessary finical load for running the

>governance. Only 7-8 mantris are prescribed for state same for center

>because same deptts have to be there at both places.etc.

>

>dhanyavaad

>siromani

>

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