on chainletters,politics&shankarites

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Haribol Mayeshvar Prabhuji. Dandavats. Jaya Vaishnavas. I wanted to

respond to yr valid points.I will try to explain my reasoning in

allowing various seemingly off-topic messages through.

About the Ganesh Chain letter:Its always hard to monitor all the

messages sent to me. esp one titled as a mantra to Ganesh would go

thru easily. I did seem to have some good luck though...come to

think of it.

 

on the political issues; politics or Raja Niti have always been part

of Vedic culture. This Vedic discussion is one of the oldest on the

net. When it started there were no real sites that gave an accurate

and indigenous hindu perspective on current events in India. Over

the years many other groups and sites were created that fulfill this

need. I have tried to keep the politics to a minimum compared to how

much is sent to the me for posting. But there is a valid connection

between modern poltics and vedic culture.

just as an example of its significance,a hindu govt is actively

supportive of the rights of vaishnavas and their legal authority

over its temples,properties and other assets.permits to operate

schools and charities are easily attained.

 

India's so-called secular govts have established many stringent laws

retsricting vaishnavas from controlling the very donations they

recieve from pilgrims. This is enough for many devotees,

specifically indian born ones, to have an interest in current events

and politics.By being informed and active they can support

candidates who are supportive of maintaining vedic culture and its

practices and that allows them to use donations solely for the

temple's needs.

 

While christian and muslim orgs are allowed complete financial

privacy and freedom, hindu groups including all vaishnava groups,

must explain and report every single dollar recieved either

nationally or internationally. So modern day politics do have a

direct impact on the day to day practice of vedic culture.

 

About impersonalists and personalists:The Shankarite view is a valid

Vedic philosophy. This is a vedic discussion group and thus it

naturally encompasses all areas of vedic civilization ie politics,

philosophy, science and the views of all its different branches. If

there is a point that needs addressing, all members are welcome to

do so.

>From my personal experiance I can say that I have seen

many "impersonal personalists and many personal impersonalists."

Srila Prabhupada personally chose his friend Dr Sharma to be the

Principal of his Bhaktivedanta Gurukula in Vrndavan. Surprised by

his choice, some devotees questioned the decision becasue Dr Sharma

was a known follwer of the Shankaracharya Vedantic line. Prabhupada

responded by saying that he chose him because he would teach the

boys in his school "some culture." I was one of those students.

All the impersonal and cruel treatment we recieved from our

teachers...fanatic personalists, was no replacement for the

nurturing and kindness of Dr Sharma, the known "Mayavadi

Impersonalist".

 

That said, as a firm believer in the Gaudiya Vaishnava Siddhanta, I

never post Shankarite philosophy. There is no question about the

tglory of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu.However I respect all members

contributions. In the ancient days, great debates were held over

various siddhantas. I believe that the internet is fulfilling this

role today.

 

On a technical note, its probably less intrusive to have yr

membership settings on daily digest. That way you can get headlines

to the messages rather than individual messages.Also some mebers

have moderator previledges and none of them are from the same school

of thought...but they all love India and Vedic culture. This is all

our common theme. This should be the basis of our unity.

Yr Servant,

Vrin

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

vediculture, "mayesvara" <mayesvara@j...>

wrote:

> Hari Bolo Prabhus!

>

> Please accept my humble obeisance's. All Glories to Sri

Guru and Sri

> Gauranga!

>

> I have mentioned before that the predomination of political

related

> messages distributed by the World-Vedic newsletter tends to

undermine the

> potential it could otherwise have uplifting the souls of its

readers by

> omitting them and focusing more on the philosophy of Krishna

Consciousness.

> None-the-less the editors of this effort are free to distribute

what they

> like.

>

> However I particularly object to this chain letter that has

a content value

> that isn't even equivalent to a clandestine amorous note scribbled

on the

> back of a juicy-fruit wrapper by a juvenile "Valley-Girl".

>

> Besides having virtually no content, as well as perpetuation

some

> superstitious belief that by forwarding this type of nonsense

email might

> actually produce some spiritual reward... it happens to also make a

> reference to one of Kali Yugas biggest impersonal speculative

guru's "Neem

> Karoli Baba." Why in the world would those who follow the

wonderful

> teachings of Sree Caitanya Mahaprabhu want to ever mention the

name of a

> hardened mayavadi what to speak of distribute it to numerous other

people

> over the internet?

>

> I for one would prefer it if the editors of the World-Vedic

newsletter

> would exercise a bit more discretion in regards to what they

choose to send

> out and I would particularly appreciate it if they did not

perpetuate

> nonsense chain-letter email and anything that is authored by or

related to

> impersonalists. Srila Prabhupada specifically came to expose the

mayavadies

> as the nonsense scourge of Kali yuga and anyone committed to that

mission

> should keep that in mind before posting anything from them.

>

> Hoping this meets you in good health and joyfully engaged in

the

> service of Lord Krishna.

> mayesvara dasa

>

>

> 687 Villanova Road

> Ojai, California 93023

> (805) 640-0405

> mayesvara@j...

>

>

>

> Vrin Parker [vrinparker]

> Friday, May 07, 2004 1:22 AM

> vediculture

> [world-vedic] SHREE GANESH VANDANA

>

>

> SHREE GANESH VANDANA

> >Thu, 6 May 2004 09:53:30 -0500

> >

> >Forwarded message: (I made a wish! Jai Shri Ganapati Namaha!

> Ganesh

> ji ki

> >jai!)

> >I don't usually forward these kind of chain letters, either... but

> here

> >goes... GOOD LUCK & Hurray SHRI GANESH!

> >

> >A good time to Pray for Peace!

> >

> >Shri Neem Karoli Baba Maharaj-ji Ki Jai!!!

> >

> >"Addhi Swathi" <addhiswathi@h...<

> >SHREE GANESH VANDANA

> >Thu, 06 May 2004 06:17:12 +0000

> >

> >God Bless U !!!!!!!!!!

> >

> >As much as I love Ganesha, I had decided I wasn't going to forward

> this

> >because I dislike FWD emails as such... BUT something rather

> amazing

> >happened tonight that I can't deny, so here it is..... Peace.

> >

> >Just send this prayer to seven people or more and let me know what

> happens

> >on the fourth day. That's all you have to do. This is a powerful

> prayer of

> >Ganesh . Do not break this, please.

> >

> >Prayer is one of the best free gifts we receive. Therefore there

is

> no

> >cost; a lot of reward. Let's continue praying for one another.

Make

> a

> wish

> >before you = read this prayer. Did you make a wish? (if you don't

> make

> a

> >wish, it won't come true) (Last Chance to Make a Wish). Let us

start

> >

> >> > SHREE GANESH VANDANA > CHUKLAM BARATHARAM VISHNUM > SHASHI

> VARNAM

> >>CHATURBHUJAM > PRASANNA VADANAM DHYAYET > SARVA VIGHNOPA SHANTAYE

> >

> >>AGAJANANA PADMARGAM GAJANANA > MAHIRSHAM ANEKA DANTAM BHAKTANAM >

> EKA

> >>DANT! AM UPASMAHE

> >

> >Send This to 7 People within the next 5 minutes and your wish will

> come

> >true. Somewhere, somehow. Do not keep this message. The mantra

must

> leave

> >your hands within 96 hours. You will get very pleasant surprise.

> >

> >This is true, even if you are not superstitious.

> >

> >

> >FORWARD THIS MANTRA E-MAIL TO AT LEAST 5 PEOPLE AND YOUR LIFE Will

> >IMPROVE.....

> >> > 0-4 people : Your life will improve slightly. > 5-9 people:

> Your

> life

> >>will improve to your liking. > 9-14 people: You will have at

least

> 5

> >>surprises in the next 3 weeks. > 15 people and above: Your life

> will

> >>improve drastically and everything you ever dreamed of will

begin

> to

> take

> >>shape.

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> state of a society that is in harmony with God and the

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