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VFA-family, friend vijai <friend_vijai>

wrote:

Very good reply by Vrin. We need people like vrin to bring back

glory of vedic dharma.

Vijai

 

vrnparker <vrnparker> wrote:

Namaste Baldev Singh,

The problem with Hinduism has been that many Hindus have neglected

to follow the teachings of the Saints and the Shastras. The Bhagavad

Gita in particular is clear about the Caste system. One's varna is

based on carachter/guna and action/karma not Birth/Janma or

Caste/Jati.

The solution to the caste problem can easily be solved by an

authentic practice of Hinduism as it has been taught by Krsna, Rama,

Caitanya, Shankaracharya and Vivekananda among others. All these

Avatars, saints and scriptures have the common theme of equality,

compassion and Love for all regardless of status.

So to blame Hinduism for modern social injustices is like blaming a

Doctor for the irresponsible behaviour of the patient.

The Mahabharat is quite clear in regards to the Pandavas guilt. It

was becasue of their mistake re Draupadi that they were stripped of

all their power and wealth and forced to live in exile. Yudhistira

himself refused to seek out his political rights until he had atoned

for his mistake against Draupadi.

 

Regarding the unethical tactics used to defeat the Kauravas, in my

personal opinion I belive their are levels of ethics. If I were to

use cheating tactics to entrap an axe murderer, I would be serving

the higher good. Good leaders are willing to bear the personal

burden of a crime if it serves the greater good of society at large.

A victory by the Kauravas would have been disatrous for the

citizens. Ironically it was the issue of Duryodhana's birth right vs

Yudhistira's qualifications to be the emperor that was at the root

of the war. So Krsna and the Pandavas were making a stand for human

rights vs the Kauravas demands to the throne based on the birth

right. A proper study of Vedic history makes it clear that India has

an excellent record in regards to uplifting the less fortunate.

However one will never discover these facts by reading the works of

Romila Thapar and others dedicated to discrediting Indian

civilization.

Below is a direct quote form the Gitra in re the caste system.

namste

Chapter 4. Transcendental Knowledge

TEXT 13

 

catur-varnyam maya srstam

guna-karma-vibhagasah

tasya kartaram api mam

viddhy akartaram avyayam

 

SYNONYMS

 

catuh-varnyam--the four divisions of human society; maya--by Me;

srstam--created; guna--quality; karma--work; vibhagasah--in terms of

division; tasya--of that; kartaram--the father; api--although; mam--

Me; viddhi--you may know; akartaram--as the non-doer; avyayam--being

unchangeable.

TRANSLATION

 

According to the three modes of material nature and the work

ascribed to them, the four divisions of human society were created

by Me. And, although I am the creator of this system, you should

know that I am yet the non-doer, being unchangeable.

PURPORT

 

The Lord is the creator of everything. Everything is born of Him,

everything is sustained by Him, and everything, after annihilation,

rests in Him. He is therefore the creator of the four divisions of

the social order, beginning with the intelligent class of men,

technically called brahmanas due to their being situated in the mode

of goodness. Next is the administrative class, technically called

the ksatriyas due to their being situated in the mode of passion.

The mercantile men, called the vaisyas, are situated in the mixed

modes of passion and ignorance, and the sudras, or laborer class,

are situated in the ignorant mode of material nature. In spite of

His creating the four divisions of human society, Lord Krsna does

not belong to any of these divisions, because He is not one of the

conditioned souls, a section of whom form human society. Human

society is similar to any other animal society, but to elevate men

from the animal status, the above-mentioned divisions are created by

the Lord for the systematic development of Krsna consciousness. The

tendency of a particular man toward work is determined by the modes

of material nature which he has acquired. Such symptoms of life,

according to different modes of material nature, are described in

the Eighteenth Chapter of this book. A person in Krsna

consciousness, however, is above even the brahmanas, because a

brahmana by quality is supposed to know about Brahman, the Supreme

Absolute Truth. Most of them approach the impersonal Brahman

manifestation of Lord Krsna, but only a man who transcends the

limited knowledge of a brahmana and reaches the knowledge of the

Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord Sri Krsna, becomes a person in

Krsna consciousness--or, in other words, a Vaisnava. Krsna

consciousness includes knowledge of all different plenary expansions

of Krsna, namely Rama, Nrsimha, Varaha, etc. However, as Krsna is

transcendental to this system of the four divisions of human

society, a person in Krsna consciousness is also transcendental to

all divisions of human society, whether we consider the divisions of

community, nation or species.

 

 

 

VFA-family, Bhattathiri <mulavana@a...> wrote:

> Dear Mr. Bhattathiry,

>

> Your intriguing interpretation of Bhagvad Gita has prompted me to

ask the following question: If Bhagvad Gita teaches holistic work

ethics for the good of all, then how can one justify the unjust

caste system?

>

> Even fifty years after the British colonist left why does India

still remain one of the poorest nations in the world? The United

Nations reports on human development puts India toward the bottom of

the list. From my knowledge there has never been a period in the

history of the Indian subcontinent when holistic work ethics were

used for the betterment of society.

>

> The deceit used by the Pandavs to kill their cousins cannot be

admired just like the treatment meted by the five brothers to their

common wife who they mortgaged to pay the gambling debt. Was the

advice given to the Pandavs was ethical? The writer of Bhagvad Gita

does condemn Daryodan for humiliating Dropti by attempting to

undress her publicly, but he is silent about the despicable act of

mortgaging her to pay for debt.

>

> The article Caste: The Eighth Wonder by Dr. S. L. Virdi in the

current edition of SikhSpectrum, shows how religion has been used to

discriminate. How does the Bhagvad Gita seek to eliminate the

suffering of the lower castes and the untouchables?

>

> Regards

>

> Baldev Singh

 

 

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