Fwd: ancient kingdoms

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therealhistory, "kishore mohan"

<kishore_future@i...> wrote:

I am placing here an interesting discussion that took place in the

group 'vedic mythology'

 

Pradeep: Current tibet was known as devabhoomi in most ancient vedic

literature. It's name in sanskrit is Trivishtapam.

 

 

 

kishore: YES, THIS IS SO, COZ THE TIBETANS DO NOT SEEM TO GET AGED..

THEY

ALWAYS LOOK 30!

 

venkat sastry: Can anyone write about the vedic names of what are now

other

countries? For example, I know that Gandhara desh is now

Afganisthan, and in fact the present "Kandhar" is a derivation of

the same word. Yavan is Greece. What else?

 

The present day "Iran" is a derivation of the word "Aryan", and so

is, I believe Iraq.

 

There is a long list of countries in the Mahabharat. Most of them

were seperate kingdoms in the present day India, Pakistan, Sri

Lanka, Bangladesh and Afghanistan, but there were others mentioned

too, that are outside of this ancient Bhaarat Desh. I would highly

appreciate it if someone pointed me to more information in this

regard.

 

kishore: ref satyagrahi sri ram, which gives a map of the india as

told in

ramayan... also, books like the encyclopaedia of brahmin kingdoms

(telugu) give the list of kingdoms....

 

please wait a couple of days i will give a very long list...

 

btw, iran was never mentioned in ancient scripts as iran.. it was

kekaya...

 

PradeeP: So do you think kaikeyi in ramayana is from Iran?

 

Venkat sastry: Pradeep,

 

Yes, Kaikeyi is from kekeya, which is Persia / Iran now. Similarly,

Gandhari is from Gandhara, the present day Afghanisthan. In those

days, these were all Vedic kingdoms. These people's names may or may

not be their real names - on the one hand, there is the tradition of

naming a person after place of birth, but there is also

the "honarary" names based on place of birth, which are different

from the real name. Even the name Kaushalya literally means the one

from Kosala, which is Dasaratha's kingdom. Similarly names based on

parents etc, such as Pritha being called Kunti, since she was

adopted by Kuntibhoja Maharaj, or Rama being called Dasarathi, since

he was Dasaratha's son, or Arjuna being called Kaunteya since he was

Kunti's son. This is beautiful, since it shows the connections to

the parents and birthplaces, but can be a little different from what

we are used to in the modern day.

 

Kishore, could you please post the list of ancient kingdoms when you

have the time?

Pradeep: If you refer the ashvemedha parva, there will be a list of

kingdoms

name to which the horse was send,or any of the parvas describing

the situation before the war begins (they describe the kingdoms

fighting for each side.). I do not have my book library with me, so

does not have the texts for easy reference.

Kishore: Wonderful reply, venkat ...

 

u r right, gandhari hails from gAndhAra or today's afganistan and

kaikeyi from today's iran.. it is not coincidence that the meaning of

both the words ' afganistan' and 'iran' is one and the same- the land

of 'aryans'!

 

some more names are VAsudEva(son of vasudEva), GAngEya(son of

Ganga)...

 

Saindhava (Jayadhradha is his real name) hails from Sindhu...

 

Panchali or Draupadi is so called since she is the daughter of

Panchala (Punjab) or King Drupada (her real name is Krishna , since

she is dark in colour)

 

 

Similiarly, sita was called Vaidehi or Maithili (from the names of

her kingdom/capital). She was also called JAnaki , since her father

was Janaka...

 

Kausalya is really from Kosala and Kosala is supposed to be the

kingdom given to King Dasharath in dowry, which enabled him to expand

his kingdom.

 

How ever, I don;t know whether Sumitra is the princess of Sumatra

islands...though my fair guess is she is!

 

 

NOt only this, the followers also can be designated by this method..

the followers of Krishna were called VAsudEvakAs in the medieval

india...

 

Those who were following Manu were called MAnavAs..(ref Artha Sastra

by Kautilya)

 

Right now, i do not have satyagrahi ram with me ... i hv certain

other lists also with me .. i want club all of them togetgher and

post, more over, the book also has a map of these kingdoms... i will

post a picture of that as a web page..

 

do u know that the tamil kingdoms of chera, pandyan and chola existed

at the time of Rama?

 

If Rama's Itinerary (The literal meaning of Ramayan) is really to

conquer the South India, as professed by some westeners, the million

dollar question is why is that he did not start invading these

kingdoms? Certainly, they could not have been stronger than Ravana...

 

I think this questions attires importance in view of the so called

Aryan- Dravidian division.

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