Hindu Delegates 3rd Intl Conference Skanda object to white participation

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Delegates at Third International Conference on Murukan - Skandaobjected to

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Sweetest Sir / Madam,

 

Re: Hindu Delegates at Third International Conference on Murukan - Skanda had

objected to active Western (white) participation within the Conference.

 

The Third International Arulmigu Murukan Conference took place at the Batu Caves

temple in Malaysia from 2-11-03 to 5-11-03. This conference was carried out

under the patronage of Dato' Seri S. Samy Vellu ( Minister of Works, Malaysia

and President of the Malaysian Indian Congress ). During this conference there

were fierce fights because of contradictory facts within the ancient

scriptures. The delegates had also questioned and objected to the active

participation of westerners during the Conference and at the end of it. I think

Mr. R. Nadaraja (Chairman at the Batu Caves temple in Malaysia) was trying

to involve anyone whom he thought would bring benefit to the conference but I

think he is not able to do much because of the degraded state which the Hindu

religion is in. For more on the degraded state of the Hindu religion please

read the article which I have inserted below. A further understanding can also

be got from members of the Brahma Kumaris. A few of their addresses etc has

been inserted below. You can also contact me for further clarification. For

information on what had happened during the conference please contact Mr. R

Nadaraja or Mr. Patrick Harrigan, Special Co-ordinator, Third International

Murukan Conference. Their contact info is inserted below. It has to be noted

that Patrick Harrigan (a white American) has taken the initiative to learn to

speak the Tamil Language (though the Sri Lankan

influence is seen in the way he speaks Tamil) and I was told that he had also

been one of those who had worked very hard in the organizing of the materials

etc for the International Murukan Conferences. Yet, a delegate has raised an

objection to active western participation during his presence. I have also

inserted (below) a few contact information of those who had participated within

the conference.

 

>From Brahma Kumari Pari.

 

Contact Information of Chairman, delegates etc of The Third International

Conference on Skanda - Murukan:

 

Secretariat / Temple Address : Secretariat, Third International Arulmigu Murukan

Conference Malaysia 2003, Temple Office, Sri Subramania Swami Temple, 68100 Batu

Caves, Selangor, Malaysia.

E-mail : thirdmurukanconference2003 ; Tel : 603-61841544 / 61896284 ;

Fax : 603-61854290 ; Hphone : 012-9257023 (Mr. Paramasivam) ; Hphone :

012-2798444 (Mr. Kubiran) ; Hphone : 012-2154797 (Mr. R. Nadaraja, KMN, AMN,

PJK, Chairman of Sri Maha Mariamman Temple Devasthanam and of Batu Caves

Temple, Malaysia).

Website : www.batucavesmalaysia.com

 

Contact info of a few of the Delegates (e-mail addresses only):

1. Patrick Harrigan, Special Co-ordinator, Third International Murukan

Conference E-mail: editor (AT) murugan (DOT) org

Publisher and Editor, Murukan Bhakti Network, www.murugan.org

2. K.C. Evison, Director, Audio Tours Asia Pasific, Batu Caves Temple, Malaysia

- kerry (AT) audiotoursasia (DOT) com

3. K.V. Ramakrishna Rao, Director, Institute for the Study of Ancient Indian

Arts and Sciences, Chennai, India

- kopallerao (AT) (DOT) co.uk

4. Cavalier M.S. Mathivanan, Chairman, Sathiyathin Sakthi Nilai Sangam

(Reality of Divine Power Society), India

- msmathi (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com

5. Dr. S. Lakshmi, Professor of Economics, Bharathidasan University, India

- lakshmi19482002 (AT) (DOT) co.in

6. Mrs. Padmaja Anantharaman, Prof. of English, The MDT Hindu College, India

- padmaja_ananth

7. Dr. Alarmelu Rishi - alarmelu_rishi (AT) hotmail (DOT) com

8. Mr. A. Subramaniyam and Ms. S.M. Selvi - kaumaram

9. Dr. R. Chandrasekaran, Lecturer in Tamil, K.S.R. College of Arts &

Science, India

- tamilchandru

 

A few Contact Information of Brahma Kumaris World Spiritual University :

 

Brahma Kumaris World Spiritual University, Post Box No.2, Mount Abu, 307501

Rajasthan, India ; Tel: 91-2974-38261 to 68; Fax: 91-2974-38952 /38883;

Web-site: www.brahmakumaris.com ; E-mail : bkabu (AT) vsnl (DOT) com

Brahma Kumaris, Abu Road, India ; E-mail : shantivan (AT) vsnl (DOT) com ; Tel:

91-2974-28101 to 06 (6 lines)

Brahma Kumaris, Mount Abu, India ; E-mail : aaf (AT) nda (DOT) vsnl.net.in ; Tel: 91-2974-38788-91

Internet Office Shantivan, India ; E-mail : shantivan (AT) bkindia (DOT) com ;

Brahma Kumaris, New Delhi, India ; E-mail : brahma (AT) nda (DOT) vsnl.net.in ; Tel:

91-11-355-0355/4410/526-961

Brahma Kumaris, New Delhi, India ; E-mail : purity (AT) ndb (DOT) vsnl.net.in ; Tel:

91-11-752-8516 / 777-0463

Persatuan Brahma Kumaris Raja Yoga Malaysia, Bangsar, Malaysia; E-mail:

bkswum (AT) tm (DOT) net.my ; Tel : 03-2282-6396 / 2282-2310

Brahma Kumaris, Petaling Jaya, Malaysia ; E-mail : bksumpj (AT) tm (DOT) net.my ; Tel : 03-7876-4482

If you wish to have further information or clarification, you could also contact

me at: No.30, Jalan PJS 9/30, Bandar Sunway, 46150 Petaling Jaya, Selangor Darul

Ehsan, Malaysia. Tel: 03-56359037 or 03-56362419 ; E-mail: bkry (AT) streamyx (DOT) com;

Web site: http://www.brahma-kumari.com .

The Soul Within the Roles of Skanda - Murukan & The Worship of The Roles of Skanda - Murukan

Murukan ( or Murugan / Muruga ), the god worshiped by the Tamils, is also

worshiped by Hindus through the usage of other names such as Skanda, Kanda,

Somaskanda, Karthikeya, Kumara, Shanmuga, Subrahmanian, Alankara Kanthan,

Arumugan, Balamuruga, Palani Andavar / Palani Andi etc. When I refer to Skanda

- Murukan, it includes all the various roles associated to Murukan and my

emphasis will be on the soul who plays these roles. The soul that played the

roles of Skanda, Murukan etc is the very same. But, off course, there is also

the battalion of Murukan and that is a different matter, which I will not be

discussing here.

The names given to the soul of Skanda - Murukan have different meanings based on

the roles, virtues, etc of the soul of Skanda- Murukan when this soul played

these roles during the Confluence Age (at the end of each cycle of time). There

can be only a little difference between the names used or there can be a huge

difference between the names used based on the quality etc that is being

expressed. For example, there is the Puranic Skanda (accepted by the North

Indians) and the Tamil Puranic Kanda where the names differ because the 'Kanda'

does not include a 's' at the beginning. On the other hand, the Vedic name

'Subrahmanian' sounds very different from Skanda or Kanda. In Subrahmanian,

'Su' refers to the sweet divine virtues (of the Supreme Soul and of the divine

soul who played the role of Skanda - Murukan). There is great sweetness, peace

etc when these divine virtues are in an emerged state and when the soul of

Skanda - Murukan is filled with God's divine virtues.

'Brahmanian' refers to the one who :

is a Brahman because of his closeness to God, gives others the desire to enjoy

the state of being a Brahman, turns others into Brahmans, keeps the company of

others who also enjoy the state of being a Brahman, knows and is associated to

the knowledge which God gives us during the Confluence Age, intensely practices

this godly knowledge and who is thus an apple of God's eye loves keeping God's

Company so that he can enjoy the state of being a Brahman etc.

Subrahmanian can be said to be the Brahman who enjoys the sweet soul conscious

state. A Brahman is one who is the closest to God. When I ( Brahma Kumari Pari

) am in the detached divine soul conscious state, I play the role of Skanda -

Murukan. It is because of this divine soul conscious state that the word 'Om'

has been associated to Skanda - Murukan. Om means 'soul'. From the Copper Age

onwards memories of what had happened during the Confluence Age had emerged to

influence us at corporeal level. Thus, when souls began to remember of how they

were able to enjoy the soul conscious state during the previous Confluence Age,

this would influence them at corporeal level and the body-conscious person /

soul would be influenced to go and build a temple to Muruga because the soul

conscious state was seen and experienced by them through the soul of Skanda -

Murukan. It was because of Murukan's soul conscious state that he was

associated to the word, 'Om'. It was because he began to

experience the soul conscious state that people began to :

understand the truth, see God as the Supreme Soul, see and understand that they

were the souls, see, feel and understand the divine state of the soul through

the soul of Skanda - Murukan, etc.

So 'Om' became a very important auspicious word. The 'Su' in the name

Subrahmanian represents the sweetness of the soul in its divine state. People

were able to experience this sweetness when they were in the presence of the

soul of Skanda - Murukan ( during his soul conscious divine state ). There is

nothing great about experiencing being the soul if one doesn't experience the

sweetness of the divine virtues of the soul, which are actually the original

qualities of the soul. The vices appeared within the soul because of the weak

state of the energies of the soul. A Brahman is not a true Brahman if he is not

able to experience the 'Su' aspect of the soul.

If one looked at the stories and believes that are within the ancient scriptures

etc, one would find that these sometimes portray God as playing the role of

Skanda, Muruga etc. At other times they portray the role of the child of God

who plays these roles at the end of each cycle during the time when the

destruction of the old corporeal world and the creation of the new heavenly

world is in progress, i.e. when the child of God plays these roles during the

Confluence Age. When I refer to the soul of Skanda - Murukan, I am referring to

the child of God.

Skanda - Murukan represents the 'War God', the 'God of Victory' etc. These

representations are based on how he was victorious during his battles with the

vices (whether the vices are those that are within him or within others). The

vices are nothing in comparison to his powerful strength and he easily gains

victory. Through conquering the vices, he becomes a master of the world which

means that he becomes a world emperor. Actually, he does not do war to become a

world emperor, he becomes that because of his ability to gain victory over the

vices. On an overall level, he had victory at world level through the usage of

godly knowledge, his power of yoga, through using God etc. He was a world

benefactor. He enabled everyone in the world to understand and accept the

truth. Thus, he is associated to victory even in this sense. In the ancient

scriptures, he is also shown flying all over the place because he reached out

to the world through using the flying stage and purity. At the

beginning of the Copper Age, the soul of Skanda had also flown all over the

world in his advanced computerized aircraft to see if the people all over the

world were all right and to give whatever help he could. The earthquakes were

pulling everything into the earth and there were scientific instruments which

informed him as to where an earthquake was going to take place. He would then

immediate give orders to the people to vacate the place and he does his best to

get them to safe grounds. He had also helped to keep law and order because

people had begun to use the vices. The people began to worship him during the

Copper Age because :

they knew that it was he who played the role of Skanda - Murukan during the

previous Confluence Age, he was one of the powerful 8 deity souls, all of whom

had maintained their royal status, people appreciated his help and kindness,

(At the beginning of the Copper Age, those who lived in the palaces did not mix

with those who did not live there. Thus, it was greatly appreciated to see a

powerful King leave the palaces because of his concern for the people) etc.

Thus, the people of the Copper Age began to worship the grounds which he had

stepped foot on by building temples there in his memory. He did not request

this to be done. It just happened. However, the 'victory' and 'war' aspects,

which are associated to the soul of Skanda - Murukan, are based on how he had

been victorious over the vices during the Confluence Age.

In memory of how the soul of Skanda - Murukan had attained victory, numerous

stories, representations etc were created by the ancient people, during the

Copper Age. For example the Vel (spear) represents the blessings which God had

given the soul of Skanda - Murukan. These blessings include the ShivShakti

stage of the soul of Skanda - Murukan. This ShivShakti stage is a very powerful

stage. Thus, Man had created stories, associating Murukan and his Vel to Shiva

and Shakti, in memory of how the soul of Skanda - Murukan was enjoying the

state of being a ShivShakti through the power of yoga with God. For example,

Muruga and his Vel are associated to 2 triangles placed one on top of the other

to form a star. One triangle is said to represent Shiva and the other is said to

represent Shakti. This symbol, and the Vel, is said to give Murukan the power of

both Shiva and Shakti. Actually, this story was created based on how the

ShivShakti stage enabled the soul of Skanda - Murukan to

become a powerful 'star'. During the soul conscious state, we become like a

brilliantly shining star that reflects the Sun's (God's) powerful light. The

Vel also represents the heroism and wisdom, which the soul of Skanda - Murukan

was enjoying because of God's blessing. God has given him numerous blessings.

One of these is the ability to attain the powerful ShivShakti stage. Another is

the ability to attain the virtuous soul conscious state. The third is the

ability to use God to be victorious over the vices. The fourth is the ability

to use the knowledge which God has given to attain a powerful stage. The fifth

is the ability to use the powerful divine intellect. The sixth is the ability

to experience the truth through using the third eye of knowledge. There are

numerous more beautiful blessings which God has blessed him with but I shall

not go into all of them here. The story which shows Shiva giving the Vel to

Muruga was created in memory of how the soul of Skanda -

Murukan had received these numerous blessings from God Shiva. All these

blessings had enabled him to use the powerful, victorious stage. God is his

Mother and Father, i.e. his Guide. This itself is another beautiful and

powerful blessing all by itself. Some of the ancient stories were also based on

this blessing of how God helps him as his Mother and Father.

Words such as Vetrivel (Victorious Spear or Spear of Victory), Shaktivel

(Powerful Spear or Spear of Power), Gyanavel (Knowledgeful Spear or Spear of

Knowledge), etc have been given to the Vel which was given to him by God

because through using God's blessings the soul of Skanda - Murukan enabled

himself and others to attain victory, power, the third eye of knowledge, etc.

During the Thaipusam festival at the Batu Caves Temple in Malaysia, one would

hear devotees constantly shouting words such as "Vel Vel, Vetrivel" in memory

of how the soul of Murukan was victorious and had enabled others to become

victorious because of the blessings which God had blessed him with.

At the beginning and end of a speech, program etc, the one who is leading the

team (of Murugan devotees) would shout out, "Vetri Vel Murukanukku" (For

Murukan with the Victorious Spear) and then the whole group would shout out

"Arohara". They shout these words out like how the football cheerleaders shout

words relating to victory for their team. Ancient men, during the Copper Age,

shouted out the word 'Arohara' because of their desire to see the soul of

Skanda - Murukan attaining victory again through the usage of God's blessings.

The word 'vetri' means victorious / victory. Murukanukku means 'for / to

Muruka'. Arohara is an ancient word which has not been explained in writing by

those who had initially started using it. From the stories, the other words

used along with it etc, one can guess as to what it means. Psychic research

tells me that it is associated to the Egyptian Sun God called 'Re' or 'Ra'

which is pronounced like as if the 'r' is followed by an 'o' and then a 'u'.

Words similar to Arohara are also used / associated to the worship of other

Hindu gods. For example, the words 'Hari Hara' is similar to 'Arohara'. 'Hari

Hara' is a reference to God. It can be said that "Aro" is also a similar

reference to God. At the beginning of the Copper Age, everyone belonged to the

same deity religion even though they may have worshipped God through using

different names. Thus, the Egyptians and those who lived in the Indus Valley

had belonged to the same deity religion. This is similar to how the Krishna

followers belong the Hindu clan just as the Murugan followers also belong to

the Hindu clan. Thus, the name of the Egyptian Sun God 'Ra' is also a name that

had been used by Hindus. He was worshipped by those who would be termed as

Hindus now, i.e. those ancient Egyptians should be termed as Hindus by the

current generation of today. During those ancient times there was no need to

give a separate name for the different devotees as everyone worshiped

the deities. It is true to say that they all belonged to the deity religion

which is now called the Hindu religion. It was Abraham who first started

another different religion despite public disapproval (of the people of those

ancient times).

The Egyptians have associated Ra to the heavenly world of the Golden Age because

God Shiva had created Heaven and so Heaven is 'The Kingdom of God' even though

He doesn't live in Heaven. Just as Re as been associated to 'light' and

'creation', even the Hindu scriptures have associated Shiva to 'light' and

'creation' through their stories. According to the ancient Egyptians, Re

created humankind and deities. These stories were created based on how God

Shiva, who is a point of light, creates the new perfect human race at the end

of each cycle. He created the subtle deity roles of the Confluence Age and He

creates the deities who will live in the heavenly world. Thus, Re is shown as

having fathered the deities. Just as Murukan is said to be the son of God

Shiva, even Egyptian deities are shown as the children of Re. All these stories

had been created based on memories of how we were the children of God when we

were in the soul conscious state. Based on these memories, even the

Egyptian pharaohs were referred to as the sons of Re. In fact, it was because

the soul of Skanda - Murukan was recognized within Alexander the Great that

even Alexander was referred to as the son of god. The soul that plays the

subtle role of Skanda - Murukan had played the corporeal role of Alexander the

Great a little after the Copper Age started. The soul within Alexander the

Great was still recognized because of the high spirituality within the people

of that time. He was accepted as Iskandar in the Middle East region and as

Skanda in the Indus valley because of the recognition of the subtle role which

he had played during the previous Confluence Age as Skanda - Murukan. While

playing the role of Skanda - Murugan during the Confluence Age, he helped bring

about world unity. He had helped to bring about a world which is ruled by just

one world government, which uses just one language etc. Thus, these sanskaras

(memories, traits etc) had emerged to influence him to do the

same as Alexander the Great. But Alexander was not successful though people saw

him as being victorious. True victory can only be gained at the end of each

cycle because it is then that God comes into the corporeal world so as to get

the new world created and this new world has only one government, and only one

language is used there etc. Re is not only referred to as the Sun God but He is

also referred to as the Creator God in memory of how he had re-created the human

race at the end of each cycle. In memory of what had happened during the

previous Confluence Age, this God Re was also shown in a combined form with

other deities, e.g. as Ra-Harakhte, Amun-Re, Re-Atum, etc. In the combined form

with Re, these deities were seen being more powerful and they had a more

prestigious status. These too were created based on how we enjoy the ShivShakti

stage when we have a link to God. This link to God Shiva enables us , the souls

(shaktis) to reflect God Shiva's powerful light into the

atmosphere. We become equal to God at that time but we do not become God. We

become very powerful and become heroes because of this ShivShakti stage. The

Egyptian God Ra-Harakhte is a combination of the Sun God 'Ra' and the

falcon-headed god Horus. In this combined form, he is seen as the powerful

Solar God. Logic tells me to note the similarities between the names Arohara

and Ra-Harakhte. Logic also tells me to note the similarities between the words

'Ra-Harakhte' and 'Hara hara' which is another word used in reference to God by

Hindus. A conversation into which God had intervened tells me that the ancient

Egyptians had probably added the 'te' to the word, 'Hara' to form the word

'Harakhte'. The fact that they were not familiar with the word 'Hara' may have

got them to do it. Well, if one hears a word and is later not sure as to how it

actually sounds, the word can get altered when it is repeated. It has to be

remembered that the advanced aircraft were not being used by the people

of the Copper Age at the time when this word was used by the Egyptians.

Originally, Ra was seen as God and as the Father of everyone. It was only later

that the other gods and goddesses evolved. Ra-Harakhte had also evolved later.

All this is similar to how it was Shiva who was originally worshipped and it

only later that worship to the other Hindu gods and goddesses began. However,

the worship to Shiva began before the worship to Ra began because worship first

began in the Indus Valley. Bhakti was begun by the soul who played the role of

Brahma during the Confluence Age. That soul was playing the role of King Vikram

when he started bhakti at the beginning of the Copper Age. The soul of Skanda

-Murugan, who was still living in Northern India at that time, had flowed along

with him and he was, then, also influenced to do bhakti based on memories of

what had happened during the Confluence Age. Initially, men only worshipped

Shiva in the form of a Lingam etc. It was only later, that

bhakti began to include worship to the deities. Bhakti theories were carried

everywhere by the soul of Skanda - Murukan during his journeys (at the

beginning of the Copper Age).

At the beginning of each cycle, the soul of Skanda - Murukan is a world emperor

and he resides in the region which is now in Northern India. At the beginning

of the Copper Age, when bhakti begins, he still resides in Northern India.

Then, just before earthquakes begin to pull his kingdom into the earth, he

flies down to the South and creates a kingdom there. He had also journeyed

further down to the south of Sri Lanka while he was there. Ancient stories say

that he went to the south of Sri Lanka in search of nectar. Such a story has

been created because he went there for psychic research purposes. He was

greatly involved with psychic research so as to seek the knowledge which God

had given during the previous Confluence Age. He wanted to get the heavenly

world re-created again through the usage of them. Then, just before earthquakes

began to pull his new kingdom into the earth, he flew to the area where Egypt

etc are situated. Not only had the soul of Skanda - Murugan played a

prominent role in the Sri Lankan and Egyptian civilizations, but he had also

played a prominent role during the ancient Babylonian civilization etc. The

soul of Skanda -Murukan was very creative and he was also doing psychic

research so as to understand the truth which was revealed during the Confluence

Age. Thus, he was able to come up with very creative ideas which were liked and

accepted by many. His ideas were also accepted by those who lived in Northern

India. Thus, there are historians (of present times) who say that the Egyptian

religious ideas etc had influenced the Indians.

The soul of Skanda - Murukan had given a lot of attention to hatha yoga because

the hatha yoga exercises enabled the soul to have a healthy body. The chakras

etc represent the various tissues, organs, etc within the corporeal body and

the kundalini etc represents the chemicals, energies, oxygen, blood etc that

flow within the bodily systems. The soul of Skanda - Murukan knew that the

hatha yoga exercises were able to get the bodily systems, within the corporeal

body, to work better though better chemical flows etc. In fact, he had given a

lot of emphasis to hatha yoga during the Copper Age. During the Confluence Age,

the hatha yoga exercises were part of a temporary activity for godly service but

during the Copper Age, it was part of his life-style during some of his

corporeal births. During the Copper Age, the hatha yoga exercises enabled him

to do psychic researches more easily because there were less pulls, on the

soul, from the corporeal body since the corporeal body was

functioning quite well. Thus, the soul was able to easily keep itself diverted

away from the corporeal body during the psychic researches. Memories of all

these had made the worshippers associate these sciences to the worship of

Murukan. During the Confluence Age, the soul of Skanda - Murukan knew that the

soul has a duty to take care of the corporeal body though he often ignored this

duty so as to become victorious in his aims. During the soul conscious state, we

do not feel tired but the corporeal body needs rest. We feel this tiredness when

we are body-conscious.

The soul of Skanda - Murukan has been associated to renunciation through roles

such as Palani Andavar / Palani Andi etc. This association is based on how the

soul of Skanda - Murukan was actually in the completely surrendered state

during the Confluence Age. The word 'swami' was originally used to refer to the

soul of Skanda - Murukan because of his surrendered state. However, with time,

all humans who surrender themselves to god began to get referred to as 'swami'.

Though the soul of Skanda - Murukan was associated to renunciation, he was also

associated to beauty etc because of the beauty of the soul during that

surrendered state. Alankara Kanthan, one of Murugan's names, means the 'Lord of

Exquisite Adornment'. Basically, the soul of Skanda - Murukan was adorned with

God's beautiful divine virtues which glowed more brilliantly than any jewel

could. The soul of Skanda -Murukan looked so beautiful because of that

spiritual glow. Thus, the role of Muruga is associated to beauty.

The beautiful peacock is associated to Skanda - Murukan because it represents

his purity, beauty, royalty and his flying stage because of his soul conscious

state. The soul of Skanda - Murukan is in the flying stage, i.e. the stage

where he is very light and is beyond the dimension of the corporeal world.

Thus, Hindu scripture stories portray him as flying on his peacock. The flying

stage is attained by the soul of Skanda - Murugan because of God's

multimillion-fold help. It is as if the soul of Skanda - Murugan is sitting on

God's Lap during the flying stage. Murugan worshipers also associate Muruga and

his Vel to hill places because of the elevated state of the soul of Muruga

during the soul conscious state. Thus, many temples to Muruga have got built on

top of hills etc. People are amazed that a soul could climb up the hilly Batu

Caves (where the Batu Caves Temple to Muruga is built on), so as to place

Muruga's Vel there for worship. At soul level the soul who did that was

remembering Muruga's elevated stage and so at body conscious level, he took the

trouble to use ropes to climb up. It was only later that the steps were built

one by one. The custom of building Murugan temples along the seashore arose

because of memories of how the soul of Muruga was so close to God who is the

Ocean of all Virtues, Powers, Knowledge, Etc.

At the beginning of the Copper Age, after the deities lost their divine state,

the deity souls began to know as to which roles had been played by whom during

the previous Confluence Age. The souls started seeing those souls based on the

roles that they had played during the previous Confluence Age. Thus, when any

of them built a temple or if a temple was built because they had stepped foot

on a specific piece of land, a story would get created based on how the temple

was built because the soul had stepped foot in that area etc. In one story,

Skanda - Murukan is said to have ridden a motorcycle when his blood had spilled

through the inadequacies of the motorcycle and a temple was supposed to have got

built at the place where his blood had spilled. People, of present times,

question as to how there can be a motorcycle during those ancient times. Humour

emerges within people at the thought of a god being shown to be riding a

motorbike. Actually, the usage of the technically advanced

aircraft, at the beginning of the Copper Age, were slowly being stopped because

of the unavailability of the natural resources and they were not used as they

had been used during the Golden and Silver Ages. Sometimes, alterations were

made to the vehicles in an attempt to continue using them. The motorcycle

portrayed in this story did look a little like the motorcycle of today but it

was huge and different with the looks of a modified UFO. This new invention was

not accident-proof as all the earlier aircraft had been but it allowed him to

travel on land with the usage of less fuel. The royal scientist who accompanied

the soul of Skanda - Murugan had created it for him. That scientist, who was of

royal blood, was one of the powerful 108 deity souls. The soul within this

royal scientist is the soul which is in the corporeal body of B.K. Letchu, the

President of the Persatuan Brahma Kumaris Malaysia. Subtly, I have seen the

scientific information (which had been used at the beginning

of the Copper Age) within him. This scientific information which is within him

can be seen through visions. The aircraft of those days were computerized and

so numerous lights would blink like how lights blink when the computer is being

used now. However, those aircraft had more lights that were also more huge, than

the present computers have, because those aircraft were huge and they used

advanced computer technology to a very great extent. Those aircraft looked like

the saucer-shaped UFOs which the people of the present world talk about.

At the beginning of the Copper Age, people enjoyed life dramas. Thus, the life

of the souls who had played the roles of the deities during the previous

Confluence Age were seen as a continuance of the drama of that role. The people

of those ancient days loved life-dramas. They also created life-dramas in

respect of what had happened during the previous Confluence Age. Such dramas

had also confused people later. Thus, confusion had made people think that

Krishna was of the Copper Age when he is actually the first deity prince born

after the creation of the heavenly world. People, at the beginning of the

Copper Age, wanted the creation of the heavenly world to happen again and so

they had done so many things to get that to happen again. It has to be

remembered that the people of those days were not materialistic as they are

today. They were entertained throughout the day. They lived an entertaining

life-style. Thus, stories were created for entertaining purposes and stories

were

created based on the essence of how God had created the heavenly world, etc.

Because of the religious aspects within these stories which also related

history etc, they were given great regard and they became the basis through

which religion etc could be understood. Even now, people create stories to

teach something or the other. Educators, psychiatrists etc place great emphasis

on teaching and living through the usage of the imagination. They say that we

learn faster, have the ability to stay healthier mentally when we bring in

creativity into our daily life. The people of the heavenly world lived an ideal

life-style. It was a pure and virtuous life-style. The people of the heavenly

world were naturally divine and so they could not commit any vicious or sinful

act. At the beginning of the Copper Age, Man lost his divine state and the

people had the ability to commit vicious and sinful acts. However, they tried

to continue living the virtuous life-style which the people of the

heavenly world lived. Actually, when we say that Hinduism is 'a way of life' or

'a way of living', we mean that it involved the living of the virtuous

life-style which the deities of heaven had lived. Hindus say that we have to

live like how the deities had lived but, now, people no longer understand this.

They also do not understand the scripture stories any longer. Thus, they do not

know how to relate the scripture stories to their daily life because these

stories portray people flying and fighting with demons etc. Therefore, people

of the current world tend to discard the scripture stories on the basis that it

is something which cannot really be used in life. These stories have been termed

as 'myth' because people are no longer aware of what had happened in the past

based on which the stories were created. However, these scriptures stories were

understood for sometime at the beginning of the Copper Age. Through those

stories, the people of the Copper Age understood that they had

to be victorious over the vices just as the subtle deities of the Confluence Age

had been victorious over the vices. But this is no longer understood now.

Scholars usually try to link all the ancient historical evidences to come up

with some kind of a story of the past. Where the Brahma Kumaris is concerned,

God has already given us information of the past, the present and the future

and so we try to piece all the historical evidences together based on the

outline which God has given us. For example, God has told us that there was

only one deity region at the beginning of each cycle and that it was only at

the beginning of the Copper Age that Abraham creates the second religion. Then,

after 250 years, Buddha establishes Buddhism and then, 250 years later, Christ

fathers the Christian religion. People know, because of written records, that

the next major religion that was established after that was Islam. However,

people are not able to place all the ancient evidences (of the period before

Christ) together to form a good acceptable picture because the ancient people,

of that time, did not keep proper written records and the calendar

had to be constantly changed because of the climatic changes that were taking

place because of the alignment of the planets and matter into an imperfect

state. Despite this, members of the Brahma Kumaris are able to do a better job

of piecing the ancient evidences together because we already have an outline

given to us by God. Psychic research helps me to understand the evidences

further. Thus, what students of the Brahma Kumaris say can make a lot of sense

if one views all the historical evidences together. Further, God has also

informed us as to which part of the ancient stories relate to what happens

during the Confluence Age. Thus, it is easier for the students of the Brahma

Kumaris to sort out as to which belonged to which category. For example, there

is another version to the story as to why the soul of Skanda - Murukan had

traveled to the south of Sri Lanka. This other version to this story says that

he went there in search of Valli. He is said to have left Kailash and come

down into India and is said to have then gone to Sri Lanka in search of Valli.

This story is similar to the story of Rama going to Sri Lanka in search of

Sita. These stories were created based on how God had come into the corporeal

world to search for His children / His brides / His wives. Similar stories are

found (with variations) all over the world and so current researchers say that

these stories must have been created based on a myth that must have traveled

around the world. However, they are not able to say as to when the 'myth' had

traveled around the world. Actually, there are similarities in these stories

because all of them were based on the same historical event which concerned God

coming into the corporeal world so as to transform Man into His perfect state

and to get Heaven re-created.

When BKs (those who practice Brahma Kumaris Raja Yoga) started seeing visions

through me in Malaysia, one of the seniors here had told me that the normal

trend was that everything that starts in Northern India then comes down to the

south. I was told that the same thing seems to be happening within the Brahma

Kumaris. Maybe, the stories of Rama and Skanda traveling to Sri Lanka may have

been created based on these memories. However, God has told us that the Lanka

in Ramayana represents the old corporeal world which gets destroyed. It must be

because of the drama based on this that the soul of Skanda - Murukan had created

the Dravidian clan there in Sri Lanka since the dark colour was associated to

the vices. In India, during the Copper Age, some of the people's skin colour

was naturally turning to various shades of brown when Man began to use the

vices though it did not get as dark as the skin colour of the Dravidian clan.

It was the soul of Skanda who helped to create the Tamil

speaking clan through creating the Dravidians who got mixed with the Aryans. As

a result, numerous people from the Tamil speaking clan worship Muruga. Thus,

Muruga has been said to be the god of the Tamilians. When the Dravidian clan

was created, no one was colour conscious and so everything was done with

happiness as part of the game. It is only now that Man has become

colour-conscious and this shows the tamopradhan nature of Man.

The soul of Skanda - Murukan had played various deity roles, at subtle level,

during the Confluence Age. Memories of this had emerged from the beginning of

the Copper Age onwards and the people had linked the soul that plays the roles

of Skanda - Murugan to the roles of various other deities in their scriptures,

songs etc. The soul of Skanda - Murugan also plays the role of being a Pandava.

Sometimes, it is also in remembrance of God's role, at the end of the cycle,

that certain stories, theories etc were created. For example, it is said that

Shiva and Murugan are one and the same. Where Murugan and Shiva are seen as one

and the same, there is no Father - child relationship seen between Shiva and

Muruga. Thus, the ancient stories, believes etc sometimes associate God's role

to Murugan's role and at other times, they see Murugan as the child of God.

This is similar to how some of the scripture stories associate God's role to

Krishna and Vishnu. Yet, at other times Krishna and

Vishnu are shown as deities. In the Hindu scriptures, sometimes the very same

name that has been used for the deities is also used for God because God can be

seen through the souls who play the roles of these powerful deities. God also

uses the subtle and corporeal bodies of the powerful deity souls and so God had

been associated to the deity names of the souls who play the roles of these

powerful deities. God has told us that even though the devotees worship the

idols of the deities, it is He (God) who fulfills the devotees' desires when

they make requests during the worship to those idols.

In the Bhagavad Gita, which began to be written sometime after the Copper Age

had started, Lord Krishna equates himself to Senani. Senani refers to Skanda -

Murukan and it means 'General'. It has to be remembered that Shiva and Skanda -

Murukan have also been said to be the one and the same. Thus, based on the Hindu

scriptures, it is not wrong to say that Shiva gave the Bhagavad Gita. In fact,

God tells us that it was He who gave the true Gita and God has introduced

Himself to us as Shiva. God Shiva is the Leader (or General) of the Brahma

Kumaris. God tells us to be victorious over the vices during the battles with

them and He teaches us how to stay constantly victorious over them so much so

that the vices wouldn't even dare to come anywhere near us in an attempt to

take control. It has to be remembered that God had introduced Himself as

'Shiva' to a group who were worshipping the roles of Narayan / Vishnu /

Krishna. If God has introduced Himself as Shiva to such a group, then it

must be the most appropriate name to be given to Him.

During the Third International Arulmigu Murukan Conference which took place at

the Batu Caves temple in Malaysia from 2-11-03 to 5-11-03, when scholars had

asked me as to who the 'Lord of the Gita' was, I had replied that it was

'Shiva' and I had then explained this. I think I had said something to the

effect that God gives us the truth and that the truth is the Gita. I had also

explained to those who had questioned that God can be called by various names

but that since He had introduced Himself to us as 'Shiva' and since the meaning

of that name is the most appropriate, I would prefer to use that name. The

scholars had not argued on what I had said. This had astonished me a little.

Krishna devotees, who are not concerned about anything else other than the

devotion of Krishna, would or might have argued. The Third International

Arulmigu Murukan Conference which took place at the Batu Caves temple in

Malaysia had something in common with what the Brahma Kumaris are doing in

respect

of historical evidences. The members of the Brahma Kumaris research into the

ancient history so as to understand what God has told us in respect of the

past, the present and the future. The scholars at the Third International

Conference had great knowledge of the evidences of the ancient past and so they

probably tried to understand what I was saying without arguing because of the

knowledge which they had. Actually, I had a lovely time during this conference

because of the discussion on ancient evidences etc. It had seemed to me that

the destruction of the world is in progress and that this is why this

International Conference on Skanda - Murukan is taking place. However, Hindus

can have fierce arguments because of the contradictory ideas incorporated into

the ancient scriptures etc. God has told us that the deity religion is at its

most degraded state now. When one sees the fierce fights that Hindus have over

the contradictory ideas incorporated into the ancient scriptures, one

would say that this Hindu religion has gone into its most degraded state now.

The ancient people of the Copper Age had practiced unity and their unity is

reflected in these ancient scriptures. They were able to accept a story, idea

etc that could seem contradictory to another, within the same scripture,

because of their unity and because they understood that these stories etc were

only trying to explain the truth but that there was more to it. Thus words,

such as 'Neti, Neti' were used commonly during those ancient days. In essence,

the meaning of such words used is, "This is not it because there is more to it

but I am not sure as to what that more is'. It can be seen as saying, "I don't

know. I don't know" and this is also why all the contradictory ideas etc were

incorporated into the ancient scriptures. At that time, we really didn't know

as to what we were seeking during our psychic researches and we did not know

the truth and we did not experience the truth. We knew nothing. We

were starting from scratch, i.e. from a point where we knew nothing because the

deities of Heaven never had to turn to God because they had everything. At the

beginning of the Copper Age, we were not experiencing the soul conscious state

nor experiencing all that which we were experiencing during the previous

Confluence Age. It was not possible to experience the truth as we had when we

were in the previous Confluence Age. During the Copper Age, the soul did not

know how to achieve the soul conscious state. In fact, it cannot do it on its

own. Only God can give us this ability through His blessings. Thus, the soul

was calling out to God to enable him to attain the soul conscious state again

and at the corporeal level, we would pray to God. It was only through the soul

conscious state that we could understand and experience the truth. Knowing

this, the ancient people had kept diving within to understand the truth that

was being explained and practiced during the previous Confluence

Age. I was also doing such psychic research during that time. At least, the

people at the beginning of the Copper Age knew that it was God Shiva Himself

who had fathered the deity religion and so they started worshipping God Shiva

for the return of the heavenly world which they had just lost. Hindus of the

current world do not even know that God Himself had fathered the Hindu

religion. This itself shows that the Hindu religion is in a degraded state

because the followers do not know who the founder of this religion is. It has

come to the state where God Himself had to come into the corporeal world and

had to inform us, "Hey, I am the founder of this deity religion. Did you not

know? It was not a human being who had founded this deity religion as how all

the other religions had been founded. God Himself had founded this deity

religion by creating the deities etc".

The unity of the people of those ancient days, during the Copper Age, enabled

them to accept everything that had been put forward as a possible way to

understanding the truth. However, Man do not understood all this now and they

have fierce arguments over what has been written in the scriptures. If one of

those who was responsible for getting the ancient scriptures written was

sitting within such a fierce fight, he may have been made to feel like a stupid

idiot who had nothing better to do than to request all the various contradictory

views etc to be incorporated into the ancient writings. Some Hindus feel that

what Christ etc have done is better because they accepted just one theory and

all their teachings are based around that particular theory. However, the soul

of Jesus Christ himself has told me that even though he likes the Christian

teachings, he knows that there is something lacking in the Christian teachings

and that he is searching for that missing 'part'. The soul of

Christ is there within one of my corporeal brothers named Sivaratnam and, for a

long time now, I had known that the soul of Jesus is there within him. If such

a soul himself had said that the Christian teachings lacked 'something', then

how could the Hindus feel that what Christ had done was better. One has to take

note that the soul of Christ ( who had also attended the Third International

Conference on Murukan - Skanda ) himself has come into the Hindu community

seeking the 'pieces' that were missing. Even the soul of Abraham has come into

the Hindu community seeking the truth. The soul of Abraham is within the one

named Patrick Harrigan (who had also attended the Third International

Conference on Murukan - Skanda). The fact that the souls of Christ and Abraham

have come into the Hindu community seeking the truth must mean that there is

something lacking in their teachings.

God has told us that the deity religion is at its most degraded state now. The

fact that Hindus can have such fierce arguments based on their religious

writings show that the religion has gone into a degraded state. The ancient

people of the deity religion, at the beginning of the Copper Age, had unity and

so even though others had contrary ideas, all the ideas were accepted as part

and parcel of the deity religion. The ancient people of the deity religion, at

the beginning of the Copper Age, were able to live the virtuous life-style to a

great extent. But now, the fact that Hindus can have such fierce fights show

that the deity religion is at its most degraded state because Hinduism is a way

of living, i.e. it concerns the living of a virtuous life-style. At the

beginning of each cycle of time, the deity religion is lived in a practical

way. The deity religion involved the living of a pure, virtuous life-style.

This Ancient Deity Religion has been referred to as "Adi Sanatan

Devatas Dharma" in the ancient writings ( which began to get written during the

Copper Age ). At the beginning of the Copper Age, Man was no longer able to

live a virtuous life-style but he had tried to continue doing so through

various religious teachings, practices etc. The need for laws to check the

behavior of men also arose and religions were also used to help keep control

over Man's conduct through religious rules.

When we try to live a virtuous life, we are actually trying to practice the

religion of the soul. The religion of the soul is peace. When we experience the

religion of the soul, we, the souls, are actually filled with only the virtues

and there are no vices within us at that time. Since only the virtues are

existing in an emerged state, we are able to live a virtuous life. Thus,

actually the Hindu religion is linked to the virtuous state of the soul. Since

the soul is in a tamopradhan state now, the soul finds it difficult to practice

the religion of peace, i.e. the religion of virtuous living. Since the soul of

the Hindu is in such a degraded state, it means that his religion (of the soul)

is also in a degraded state. Thus, the Hindu religion is in a degraded state.

Mahatma Gandhi was advocating a life of virtuous living with the hope of trying

to re-create Ram Raj (Heaven). Gandhi encouraged the use of the virtues and

discouraged the use of the vices including fighting back,

showing one's anger etc. However, Gandhi was killed by a person of his own

religion because of the degraded state in which the followers of the Hindu

religion are in.

The fact that the Hindu religion has gone into a degraded state can also be seen

through the fact that the Hindu devotees differentiate themselves from other

Hindus based on the idol which they worship. In ancient times, during the

Copper Age, the ancient people of the deity religion did not differentiate each

other like this on the basis of 'worship to a specific idol' but this is

happening now within the Hindu community. Now, Krishna worshippers are Krishna

worshippers; Shivan worshippers are Shivan worshippers; Murugan worshippers are

Murugan worshippers; Etc. It is as if these worshippers are saying, "The east is

east and the west is west; and never the twine shall meet" without realizing

that they all belong to the same Hindu religion. The worshippers reflect the

state which the religion is in. The fact that the Hindus are now not able to

live a virtuous life-style shows that the Hindu religion is at its most

degraded state. The Hindu religion has gone into a degraded state

because of the tamopradhan nature of the people. It is because of their

tamopradhan state that people have fierce fights over the contradictory

statements made within the ancient scriptures. However, it is now possible to

move out of the tamopradhan state through using God and the power of yoga. This

can only be done through the teachings which God has given through the Brahma

Kumaris.

 

 

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