Just see how degraded they have become

[Guest guest]

740611r2.par ConversationsPrabhupada: Yes. They're after money. So

they are less than sudras. That is the cause that Christianity has fallen down,

that they cannot speak straightly, or otherwise... It is straight commandment,

"Thou shalt not kill." And because people are killing, they're... Now they are

give man-to-man marriage, what to speak of other things. The priests, they are

sermonizing this man-to-man marriage. Just see how degraded they have become.

Whether any conception... At least, outside America, nobody knows that a man

can be married with another man. What is this? And they're supporting it. You

know that?

 

740524r2.rom ConversationsAtreya Rsi: Wine, for today's Roman

Catholics, they think it is sanctioned.Prabhupada: They think so many other

things also. Just like Roman Catholics, there is example: they have allowed

marriage between man to man. Do you know that?Richard Webster: No.Prabhupada:

Yes. In New York there is a paper, Watchtower. They publish a monthly magazine.

I have seen in that magazine. They are condemning that the priests have allowed

marriage, man to man. And...Richard Webster: In New York maybe. Not in

Rome.Prabhupada: Christianity does not mean in New York it should be different

and Rome it should be different. Then nobody is following.

 

740606mw.gen ConversationsPrabhupada: Hypocritical, simply

hypocritical. All these priests and cardinals and popes, they're all

hypocritical. Getting high, highly salaried, high salaries, and drinking wine.

And in America there is a hospital, five thousand drunkard priests are admitted

there to cure their drinking habit. That was published in a paper. And they're

sanctioning man to man marriage. That was published in that, what is that?

Watch?Satsvarupa: Watchtower?Prabhupada: Watchtower. Yes.

[Guest guest]

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HARE KRISHNA !

 

SRI SRI GURU AND GAURANGA KI JAYA !

 

1. THE CATHOLIC CHUURCH DID NOT THEN, AND DOES NOT NOW SANCTION, WHAT

TO SPEAK OF PERFOME SAME-SEX MARRIAGES. IN FACT THIS IS A MAIN POINT

OF CONTENTION BETWEEN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND

AND EPISCOPAL CHURCHES. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH MAGISTERIUM HAS DECLARED

THAT IT WILL NEVER SANCTION SAME SEX MARRIAGES. THIS IS THE FACT.

 

2. THE WATCHTOWER MAGAZINE IS SECOND ONLY TO CHICK PUBLICATIONS IN

PRINTING EXTREMELY OUTRAGEOUS OUT-RIGHT LIES AND NONSENSE ABOUT

CATHOLICS AND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. THEY ALSO, AS A MAIN PUBLICATION

OF THE 'JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES' TEACH NUMEROUS THINGS THAT ARE DIRECTLY

OPPOSED TO THE TEACHINGS OF VAISHNAVISM. THE 'JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES'

ARE MILITANTLY ANTI-HINDU, ICONOCLASTIC IN THE EXTREME, AND CONSIDER

THE HARE KRISHNA MOVEMENT POSITIVELY DEVILISH.

 

3. SRILA PRABHUPADA'S DISCIPLES SOMETIMES DID HIM A DISSERVICE BY

PRSENTING THINGS TO HIM AS TRUE, AUTHENTIC OR AUTHORITATIVE WHEN THEY

WERE NOT. THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE. THE WATCHTOWER IS NOT TAKEN

SERIOUSLY BY ANY OBJECTIVE JOURNALISTS. IT HAS NO CREDIBILITY

BECAUSE IT IS PUBLISHED BY RELIGIOUS FANATICS WHO WILL REPRINT ANY

THING ABOUT THE RELIGIONS THEY HATE, WHETHER IT IS TRUE OR NOT. IT IS

THE RELIGIOUS VERSION OF A YELLOW-JOURNALISM 'RAG' LIKE

THE "ENQUIRER" OR THE OTHER SENSATIONALIST TABLOIDS SEEN AT NEWS

STANDS. GIVING SRILA PRABHUPADA THINGS LIKE THIS TO READ, OR READING

THESE THINGS TO HIM WAS THE SAME AS GIVING HIM POISON. HE TRUSTED

HIS DISCIPLES TO FEED HIM PRASADAM AND PURE, HEALTHY TRUE

INFORMATION, BUT INSTEAD SOMETIMES THEY FED HIM THE POISON OF THEIR

OWN ANTI-SEMITISM, RACISM, ANTI-CHRISTIANITY, ANTI-CATHOLICISM, NEW-

AGEISM, SEXISM AND OTHER UNHEALTHY AND UNTRUE THINGS.

 

SRILA PRABHUPADA DID NOT CLAIM TO BE ALL-KNOWING. HE ALSO WAS VERY

TRUSTING AND FREELY DELEGATED AUTHORITY TO MANY PERSONS WHO SEVERELY

ABUSED HIS TRUST AND COMMITTED MANY SINS AND CRIMES IN THEIR

POSITIONS OF POWER. THIS ABUSE WAS NOT HIS FAULT, IT WAS THE SIN OF

THOSE WHO FAILED HIM.

 

HE WAS BEING ABUSED WITH MIS-INFORMATION IN THESE EXCHANGES, AND HE

IS BEING ABUSED AGAIN NOW BY YOUR USE OF THESE UNFORTUNATE PASSAGES

TO MAKE SOME POINT AGAINST SAME-SEX ATTRACTED PEOPLE. THE LARGER

ISSUE AT HAND IS THAT SRILA PRABHUPADA WAS ABUSED BY SOME OF HIS

DISCIPLES, WHO FED HIM MIS-INFORMATION, WHO WHO DISTORTED HIS

TEACHINGS AND DISOBEYED HIS INSTRUCTIOINS IN NUMEROUS WAYS. HE WAS

FED THINGS UNHEALTHY FOR HIS MIND AND BODY, AND FOR DOING THIS, THE

GUILTY PERSONS MUST TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY. IT IS THEY, AND THOSE

WHO HAVE PERPETUATED THEIR OFFENCES, WHO HAVE BEEN AN EMBARRASSMENT

TO THEIR GURU AND WHO HAVE GIVEN THE HARE KRISHNA MOVEMENT A BAD

NAME.

 

DEFENDING THE HONOR OF SRILA PRABHUPADA KI JAYA !

 

TRIDANDI SANNYASI BHAKTI ANANDA GOSWAMI

 

 

vediculture, "Mahesh" <mahesh@a...> wrote:

> 740611r2.par Conversations

> Prabhupada: Yes. They're after money. So they are less than sudras.

That is the cause that Christianity has fallen down, that they cannot

speak straightly, or otherwise... It is straight commandment, "Thou

shalt not kill." And because people are killing, they're... Now they

are give man-to-man marriage, what to speak of other things. The

priests, they are sermonizing this man-to-man marriage. Just see how

degraded they have become. Whether any conception... At least,

outside America, nobody knows that a man can be married with another

man. What is this? And they're supporting it. You know that?

>

> 740524r2.rom Conversations

> Atreya Rsi: Wine, for today's Roman Catholics, they think it is

sanctioned.

> Prabhupada: They think so many other things also. Just like Roman

Catholics, there is example: they have allowed marriage between man

to man. Do you know that?

> Richard Webster: No.

> Prabhupada: Yes. In New York there is a paper, Watchtower. They

publish a monthly magazine. I have seen in that magazine. They are

condemning that the priests have allowed marriage, man to man. And...

> Richard Webster: In New York maybe. Not in Rome.

> Prabhupada: Christianity does not mean in New York it should be

different and Rome it should be different. Then nobody is following.

>

> 740606mw.gen Conversations

> Prabhupada: Hypocritical, simply hypocritical. All these priests

and cardinals and popes, they're all hypocritical. Getting high,

highly salaried, high salaries, and drinking wine. And in America

there is a hospital, five thousand drunkard priests are admitted

there to cure their drinking habit. That was published in a paper.

And they're sanctioning man to man marriage. That was published in

that, what is that? Watch?

> Satsvarupa: Watchtower?

> Prabhupada: Watchtower. Yes.