Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 I think I am lost, but I think also that I is not lost...Then again, that may just be I thinking again. Please, tell me when this seperation has accoured? I hear speech as though it has always been. It is a great strangeness to me. Only because of God's love does any number, thought, manifestation, sound (whatever you may) seem to accour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 One has to lose oneself before one can find oneself, one has to die before one can be reborn. , caisuir <no_reply wrote: > > I think I am lost, but I think also that I is not lost...Then again, > that may just be I thinking again. > > Please, tell me when this seperation has accoured? I hear speech as > though it has always been. It is a great strangeness to me. Only > because of God's love does any number, thought, manifestation, sound > (whatever you may) seem to accour. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 > One has to lose oneself before one can find oneself, one has to die > before one can be reborn. Yes. But who is there at all? Seperation does not truly exist, yet I hear and read from everyone about the great seperations of man and God. Please, tell me what seperation? How is it that anyone can ever be seperate from God, that anyone or anything can be "created" by a force other than God? The Lord is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent. Within God is the potential for everything ever possible. Everything is happening right now, this moment this instant; eternaty lies within a fraction of a second. Also within the Lord is what we know as free will. The free will of God has shaped with world; it allows the highest angels to fall to the deepest pits and demons to become great saints. Why is it that this free will is not handed over to God, as it should be. All things are the Lord's, even though the Lord does not own then. I read about seperations and struggles, but do not understand them. I know that the path to/of God is not an easy one, but what in life is easy? By man's words I am lost. So, what do I say? We refuse and forget to see and know God as ever present, in the good, the bad and everything. I feel wronged and angered by someone. I then remember God is everywhere and everything. How is such an important thing tossed aside so easily, almost as though like a candy wrapper or used up cigarette? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 Yes, right again. "The world is as you are." says one of my Gurus. You are as separate as you think/feel/act. Quantum Physics has a similar principle .. observed is influenced by the observer. Each have to start practice from where they are. Those who feel the duality, have to practice in that mode, untill they clear the fog and see themselves in the mirror. Some (most) will straddle multiple modes, but all will plod along untill all the layers of fog clears. What you see finally is to be experienced only. Gurus attempt to tell us what it's like, each for a different level of audience, people's egos get caught up in arguing who is right/better, while sadhna/ practice is shelved for another incarnation! Funny journey! _/\_ Tat twam asi Uma , caisuir <no_reply wrote: > > > Yes. But who is there at all? Seperation does not truly exist, yet I > hear and read from everyone about the great seperations of man and > God. Please, tell me what seperation? How is it that anyone can ever > be seperate from God, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 , "Tatwamasi" <tatwamasi wrote: > > Yes, right again. > > "The world is as you are." says one of my Gurus. You are as ... "The world is as you are Good begets good"...These type of Tailor made sentences are good for drawing room spirituality but hold nothing in the practical life. Life is much more complicated than these shiny words. "The world is as you are " Christ was a loving high soul...then why the world was cruel to him??? Pandavas were peaceful and were ready to compromise on any little land Kauravas could give ...then why they faced tremendous enemity from almost more than half of Indian Kings. Rama was a noble being always respectful to all...then why he was exiled by his parents, his wife kidnapped and he had to struggle most of his life fighting the negative energies. Why go far beyond in the history..see the old postings in your own club. You were respectful to all members then why so much dirt was thrown on you and your co-founders ?? Those Asuric energies got dozens to support their devilish path, but no one really came to support you...in your own group !!! So do not believe in these ready-made spiritual one liners...they are false and dangerous....as they keep mind hypnotized. Try to see the world in the light of Tantra...and each thing will be seen in correct perspective. I even dont believe in those good words used by bhaktas...God helps the poor...God is merciful to his bhaktas God always do good to us etc etc etc. all is bul....t. Providence is not only that which saves me from the shipwreck in which everybody else has foundered, Providence is also that which while all others are saved snatches away my last plank of safety and drowns me in the solitary ocean !! love baba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 Irrespective of whether you believe in these power phrases, it is what I live by and what has made my life what it is today, and will take me where I need to be. (In case you haven't noticed, I don't post to convince anyone else of anything, I post to share my point of view. Take it if it resonates, leave it if it doesn't. I am responsible for my actions not anyone elses. What propels my life is not what anyone says or does to me, but the talk that I am willing to walk in my daily life. Since you have read some of my previous posts, you will also have noticed that I speak of taking appropriate actions according to the situation. Since we have to be an active participant in this incarnation, I choose my actions, my response, and my behavior, to the best of my present ability. Perfect? Obviously not but conscious and aware of the application of every principle I speak of. My tool? The mirror around me which reflects back to me everything I need to work on. You have used some high powered names who have chosen to bear suffering instead of zapping away what stands in their way. Christ did suffer on the cross, but he also reappeared to his devotess, stating that he has to do miracles for non-believers. That helped removing doubts and assisted many in following his teachings of love. That was his audience and he used this as a teaching tool. All who incarnate and take a finite form, limit themselves to the laws of cause and effect of that form. Many of our Gurus gave up their bodies in painful ways, or what appears painful to us. Perhaps they needed to teach their students in a manner that was at the level of their students. Aside from that I am too small to pretend to know what their reasons were. What I do know, that in a game of cards we are dealt a hand based on our past, but we are responsible for the attitude we bring to the game today. _/\_ Tat twam asi Uma , "Baba ji" <beirut_ka_baba wrote: > > > "The world is as you are Good begets good"...These type of Tailor > made sentences are good for drawing room spirituality but hold > nothing in the practical life. Life is much more complicated than > these shiny words. > > "The world is as you are " Christ was a loving high soul...then > why the world was cruel to him??? > You were respectful to all members then why so much dirt was > thrown on you and your co-founders ?? Those Asuric energies got > dozens to support their devilish path, but no one really came to > support you...in your own group !!! > > So do not believe in these ready-made spiritual one liners...they > are false and dangerous....as they keep mind hypnotized. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 , "Tatwamasi" <tatwamasi wrote: > > > Irrespective of whether you believe in these power phrases, it is you have deliberately left the question unanswered. If world is a miror of ourselves, then why the mirror reflected opposite of what a person is. OK let us not take the big names, talk about ourself. If we are loving and respecting, why is it that we are surrounded by negative energies... abusing us?? If world is a mirror of ourselves, our love must reflect from the world around us...does it happen? If not then the phrase is wrong. love baba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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