Guest guest Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 > Death is the question Mother Nature puts continually to Life and her > reminder to it that it has not yet found itself. > > If there were no seige of death, the creature would be bound for ever > in the form of an imperfect living. Pursueed by death he awakes to > the idea of perfect life and seeks out its means and its possiblities. Good point as always babaji- you are one person in this club who knows what he is talking about. One of the most important dreams of humans is to become immortal, or live for a long time. People try creams/surgery to stay young, some people are stupid enough to be cryogenically frozen, and companies like Microsoft say in a few years you will be able to download your brain on internet, and indirectly live for ever. The normal(Western) folly of thinking the mind and soul exist in the Organic brain! All these wishes have one aim- to live forever, to cheat death. But we are already immortal! as the real us- the soul- never dies. But we forget this and get stuck in the world created by us, and like drunks walk in the wrong direction, towards a cliff. Now and then Mother Kali slaps us real hard to wake us up. The smart ones come to their senses, and start a slow painful walk towards the right path, but most of us get offended and blame the world/God/Govt. for our misery. Like the drunk, we are destined to fall, and destined to make the same mistake again and again and again and again..... I remember an excellent line in the movie the "Bulltet proof monk". The monk tries to teach moksha to an ordinary guy. So he asks him- why do hot dog buns come in packet of 8, but hot dog buns in packet of 10? The day you answer this, that day you will become enlightened. The hero thinks and thinks, but cant answer. In the end the hero figures it out. He says that eating a hot dog(moksha) is our goal. It has aleady been decided that we will achive the goal(achieve mosksha/eat a hot dog), but we shouldnt expect the path to our goal will be to our liking or easy. We should be willing to change, be flexible, because we already know that we destined to win. The path has already been decided, which just have to be brave enough to walk on it. So when you see death, dont be saddened, or angry. Remember, you are already free and immortal, so enjoy the path to moksha. This is the way of the Tantra. Shan bhai PW- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2006 Report Share Posted March 4, 2006 , shanracer <no_reply wrote: > > One of the most important dreams of humans is to become immortal, or > live for a long time. People try creams/surgery to stay young, some Thanks shanracer...and can you tell why every being wishes to be immortal ? Why we try to control everything? Why we always try to make ourselves happy? perhaps in the answer to above question, lies the secret of our being love Baba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 > Thanks shanracer...and can you tell why every being wishes to be > immortal ? > > Why we try to control everything? I think the reason is we identify too closely with this body. Our soul and real ego(compared to false ego of this body) knows we are immortal and masters of the universe. But our body ego misunderstands what the soul is saying. I am reminded of stupid people who watch serials on TV and say "That person is so evil! Or, she is an ideal sas/bahu". They fail to realise its all an act to entertain us. So also is this world an act. Mahakali pulls the strings, and time(kaal) writes the scripts, but we think we are the ones in control. Another story. A man is sitting on a donkey, going around the town asking "Have you seen my donkey?". We are like that- we want power over the universe, immortality- but we already have that. We waste time looking for that which already have. No Wonder God laughs at us! Then there are the Gyan(Jnana) Yogis, who say Neti Neti- there is no donkey! We never had a donkey! If we pretend there is no donkey, we will achieve Nirvana! Jago! Follow the path of Tantra. The best way to control the universe and master is to understand how it works.... Not how we want it to work, but how the real masters of the universe, the eternally dancing duo of Shiv-Shakti, Light-darkeness, Conciousness-Energy, Purush- prakriti make the universe dance to their tune. Its a hard job, like studying for MSc when you are 10 yrs old, but unlike in school, we can cheat! Shiv Shakti are always willing to help us- either directly or indirectly via a guru. But like I said in my last mail- it is already destined we will pass this test(though some faster than others), so enjoy the path- the path of Tantra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Babaji I found this beautiful translation of Ashtavakra Gita on the web: Ashtavakra said: Knowing yourself as truly one and indestructible, how could a wise man possessing self-knowledge like you feel any pleasure in acquiring wealth? 3.1 Whether feted or tormented, the wise man is always aware of his supreme self-nature and is neither pleased nor disappointed. 3.9 The great-souled person sees even his own body in action as if it were someone else's, so how should he be disturbed by praise or blame? 3.10 Seeing this world as pure illusion, and devoid of any interest in it, how should the strong-minded person, feel fear, even at the approach of death? Who can be compared to the great-souled person whose mind is free from desire even in disappointment, and who has found satisfaction in self-knowledge? 3.12 Read the complete translation at http://realization.org/page/doc0/doc0004.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 , shanracer <no_reply wrote: > > > Thanks shanracer...and can you tell why every being wishes to be > > immortal ? > > > > Why we try to control everything? > > > I think the reason is we identify too closely with this body. Our soul > and real ego(compared to false ego of this body) knows we are immortal > and masters of the universe. But our body ego misunderstands what the > soul is saying. ------------------------------- very well said... what is false ego? is it a shadow of the real ego ? or something else? love baba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 > what is false ego? is it a shadow of the real > ego ? or something else? Hmmmmmmm, I can only guess. I think the analogy of circles within circles may explain false ego- The outer most circle is the Divine- The Shiv of Tantra and Brahma of Vedanta, the Final being. Within that circle are lower forms of the Divine, forms that know they are one yet have separate identities. They arent diffrent from the divine, but appear diffrent to fulfil certain functions(Kali-destroy the old, Saraswati- create new and beatiful). then there are smaller circles of demi gods and diving beings, that can feel the Divine, but still have their ego, and sometimes arrogance. Lowest are us- we have little or no contact with the divine- like little birds that are born blind and have to wait for a few days before they can see. For us unfortunately, this may take thousands or millions before we may see the Divine Light. So the false ego is the lowest circle, which like the frog that lives in the well, cant even imagine the big sea. The divine is all around us, but we can only see the narrow world that we ourselves build- our own egoistical view of the world, that makes us more blind, but blindness that we prefer to the light. Osho got it right, I think. He says in sciprtures, Gods would come from heaven to Earth, as they got bored there. But no demon came from hell to visit Earth! This is because we like misery, and avoid true happiness. False ego is the dark glasses we wear that prevent us from seeing the Divine- but the Divine still manages to shine through. SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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