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, gaytrishandilya <no_reply wrote:

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> This is interesting. Can you tell if soul remembers his last life

> while on astral worlds?

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> what decides the number of astral world where the soul will reach?is

> it his good karma?

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> gaytri

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What I think is that good karma leads to a good life in next

birth...and there may be some enjoyment in astral worlds too. But to

which higher plane one will go depends entierely on the spiritual

progress..which has nothing to do with good karma.

 

A rikshaw puller may be more spiritually advanced than a king !!

 

How much memory one will have on the astral planes also depends on

one's awakening.

 

If you see around a big number of people around us are living in a

trance ...a sort of hypnotized state. They are not aware what they are

doing....only their Samskaars and their old karma drive them. Such

people do not have any consciousness in astral worlds too.

 

Most of people sleep in the astral world and wake up only on next

birth. Some have vague memories like in a dream.

 

But those who have spiritually advanced...certainly have a clear

memory of not only last birth...but many other births too.

 

love

 

baba

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gs,

The jiva knows all the journey after death untill a

new birth takes place.

 

Even it remineds itself in the stomach of its mother,

and pray god for his/her deeds to get relieved from

the stomatch, Depending upon the deeds.Good souls know

this is for their liberation while bad souls know this

is for their sufferings.

 

When it comes out from mothers stomatch(garbha),when

it breaths first time,a thin layer of ignorance is

formed & it enters into material illusion and forgets

the past births.The first breath causes to form a thin

layer of ignorance,so that the jiva has an opportunity

to start things properly and freshly.

 

This mechanism is created by Lord Shri Brahman.Yogis

can break it by entering into meditation and find out

the past either of themselves or of another person.

 

After death the jiva gets confused when it watches the

people are burning his body.It roams @10days there

only untill it gats confirmed that it is out of

body.Then if it has rage or attachments it remains

there as ghost.

 

The good souls are taken by the respected loka people

while bad souls is picked by Yamadutas for hell.The

evil spirits hide themselves from the divine bodies

and find some physical body or dark places for them.

Normal people are relieved but not picked up

immediately and it takes some time for them.Such

people also get birth immediately.

 

Good souls enjoy in lokas and take some time to come

back.Evils and Goods souls have to wait for their

birth until proper intensity parents are available.

For the divine and evil likas time is not criteria.

 

 

 

--- gaytrishandilya <no_reply> wrote:

 

> This is funny! if jiva sleeps in astral world then

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, gaytrishandilya <no_reply

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> This is interesting. Can you tell if soul remembers his last

life...

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my dear

 

The scriptures just indicate towards the Truth…they are not Truth in

themselves. Truth is not to be read in the books or listened from a

guru. Truth is to be experienced by your own self…..Final Truth

will be same for u and me….but the intermediaries may vary according

to our mind-set.

 

The Hell and Heaven depicted by the religions are more as a carrot

to the rabbit than truth. The earlier man having an infant

soul..which just came out of animal.. needed a strict discipline.

Hence it was told of a horrific Hell and a beautiful Heaven….to

bring her out of the animal mind-set. But for the progressed soul…

these descriptions of the Heaven and Hell have no meaning.

 

Moreover as Udai wrote in his posts, the subtle body had by the soul

is not physical..but Manomaya, The sufferings and punishments…. The

joys and plays are also subtle for her.

 

I have seen myself millions of souls sleeping in the astral world…

and later taking re-birth…hence my truth. The food offered to

anyone in the name of departed soul reaches it as mental

satisfaction…not as gross food.

 

The main aim of our rituals is to bring the departed soul to "Gati"

as "Agati" non-movement is very harming for a soul….she should move

forward whether for punishment or enjoyment.

 

I remember writings by a great soul of Rosicrucian Order. He Says---

My friend `x' died. He was drinking beer at the local pub and while

he was having his last drink hurriedly as he had to join his son's

birth day party, he had a heart attack and died in the pub. All

rituals came to an end…and one day during meditation I thought of

contacting my friend. I visited all the seven planes of the astral

world, had a glance on the lower planes but could not see his Soul…

enjoying or suffering. I was worried I went to his house (in astral

body) but did not find his soul there too. Finally I went to the

pub and saw him (his soul) sitting at the table where he died. He

was trying to drink beer (imaginary) and since he could not drink it…

he was trying again and again. Seeing me he murmured….oh I have to

go home after this drink…my son must be waiting for me.

 

I was horrified…this is a loop of time, where a soul whirls, but

not comes out easily. My friend may spend thousands of years in

such state. I went back to my body and asked the widow to do

certain rituals…and myself did some meditation to bring him out of

the whirlpool of time. And finally I succeeded…I saw him realising

he is dead…and mournfully he entered the dark tunnel"

 

 

What you see yourself is Truth rest all is speculation !!

 

Love

 

Baba

 

In one of his previous births Swami Ghasitanandaji, died and reached

Yamaloka. There was a long queue and ghasitanand being a naughty

soul could not wait. He thought he would better have a peep

around. On his right was a wall around Heaven and on his left was

wall beyond which Hell existed. So he jumped and saw beyond the wall

of heaven.

 

There was good smell all around…gods were drinking Somarasa and

Urvashi and Rambha were dancing on a classical tune…played by

Ghandharvas. He was so impressed by the paucity of the scene.

 

Then he thought …let me have a look to hell…how these people are

suffering there….and he jumped on the wall of Hell and he saw

….People were drinking Johnny Walker….there was loud music…and cheap

actresses of Hollywood and Bollywood were dancing half naked…people

were crying with joy. Yama-dutas were insisting people on drinking

more…some were enjoying marijuana…some cocaine.

 

Meanwhile his name was called by Chitragupta…and after reading his

life he pronounced…This is a pious soul…let her go to Heaven.

 

Ghasitanandji cried," Nooo…I willl not go to Heaven….let me go to

Hell. It is more enjoying there. His plea was accepted and the

moment he entered the doors of Hell….two horrible looking Yamadutas

took him to their chief. The Chief ejaculated," Take him to the

cauldron…fry him for 1000 years..and then beat him with pointed

sticks for 200 years.

 

NO," Yelled ghasitanandji," Send me to the department which I saw

while I was in the que..

 

The chief Yamaduta laughed," Ha Ha Ha Ha….That is our Publicity

Department…to attract more tourists to Hell

 

 

So don't go by Publicity my dear

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dear friends

 

The departure (death) is inevitable for the human beings

If the blind love is accumulated day by day, just imagine that day

When one has to depart from all his blind attractions in this world!

 

Just on the deathbed, the Lord gives the last flash of knowledge

By that you will realize the truth because at that junction of life and death

One sees clearly both the worlds since the messengers of Lord Yama

Stand before the person to pull out the subtle body from the gross body

Then every one realizes that these bonds were absolutely unreal

 

In that last few minutes the agony starts because the person thinks like this

“For these blind bonds I have spent all my energy and my life time,

Who cannot save me in this time, the saviour is not coming now because

I have not spent my lifetime and energy for His mission when I was alive

Now even if I wish to serve the Lord for His mission, there is no time

 

When time was there this realization did not come, what could I do?”

At that time the person is pained for foolishly having these bonds

The person is not pained for leaving these bonds as you think now

That situation will open the eyes of every human being in this world

 

 

If you are not pained to leave these bonds for the mission now

When you are alive, you will not be pained at that last minute also,

 

posted by: His servant

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

gaytrishandilya <no_reply> wrote:

why people undergo pain at the time of death. Everyone has to face pain or

there are some exceptions?

gs

 

 

 

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Namaskar

Thankyou very much udai and surya for nice explanations. Babaj's post

was too technical. for example what is Kosha?

 

Is it True that the last thought at death decides our next birth. What

if a sinner utters god's name near death time? will he be saved from

Hell?

 

Recently I saw on television about re-birth of a girl after 3 months,

How is it possible? it needs at least 9 months even if a soul

immediately enters a womb after death.

 

gs

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gs,

 

The intensity of vision(with thought) at the last

moment (the moment of trasformation of soul from

physical attachemnt(sthula) to astral

body(sukshma))decides where the jiva goes first.It

doesnt means that it will be freed from its sins,but

the sufferings of sins will come afterwards and that

of the first thought will come first.You may say its

preference given to you.

 

Uttering the name god with rupa(form)vision clears the

accumulated sins(sanchit and kriyamana) and imrpoves

punya(good karma).If the form appears at the last

moment and intensity of call is high,the sins of that

birth are cleared totally and the jiva(soul) goes to

the respected level of parallel loka,world(plane).But

main thing is that to call the god with full

intesified devotion needs years together deepening of

devotion.It rarely comes all of sudden.hense all

saints insists to deepen the devotion when the body

and mind are in good shape, i mean in younghood.

 

No soul(jiva) can enter two places at same time unless

reached at upper planes,like tapoloka and satyaloka.

they are lightermost souls and have powers of

multiplication. For normal soul its impossible.Hense

birth within 3 months is either possession or

misinterpretation.

 

 

 

 

 

--- gaytrishandilya <no_reply> wrote:

 

Is it True that the last thought at death decides

our next birth. What if a sinner utters god's name

near death time? will he be saved from Hell?

 

 

 

 

 

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Death is the question Mother Nature puts continually to Life and her

reminder to it that it has not yet found itself.

 

If there were no seige of death, the creature would be bound for ever

in the form of an imperfect living. Pursueed by death he awakes to

the idea of perfect life and seeks out its means and its possiblities.

 

baba

 

 

, gaytrishandilya <no_reply wrote:

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> Namaskar

> Thankyou very much udai and surya for nice explanations. Babaj's

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> Is it True that the last thought at death decides our next birth.

 

After death a soul goes into the Astral worlds to rest, but the Karmi

debt doesnt end- good souls goto "heaven", bad to "hell", where they

get results of their karma. Most people just enter a dark tunnel and

come out with no rememberance of what happenned......

 

Our next life is decided by karma of this life- what sort of body

would allow us to best work out Karma. Does mother Nature want us to

progress? If yes, we will be born in a religious family. Higher souls

can choose their own body- the best that will allow them to finish off

their karma in the least time. For most people, Nature makes that choice.

 

What

> if a sinner utters god's name near death time? will he be saved from

> Hell?

 

There is no fixed place called "hell" where you are fried or beaten

up- when we think bad or good thoughts, it creates a vritti

(impression) on our soul(the actual tantrik place is Chakras, but

forget that for now). These vrittis surface according to a vast global

plan that only Maha Kali understands. Good Vrittis give good result,

bad one give bad result. But the goal is not to punish us, but to

progress our soul, so we can evolve into gods. Those who dont

understand the system suffer again and again- but mother Kali always

tries to help, but its up to you to evolve your soul. God, Guru,

Shastras can only show you the way, not make you walk on it.

 

On the other hand, those who do understand the system, slowly find

that they are the masters of the system, and they can control and bend

it. But this is a very slow, painful process, as mother nature wants

to teach us a lot of lessons, some that our ego may not want to learn.

Most people think they will goto Guru and he will remove their karma,

or they will says gods name once in while, or before dying, and they

will be saved. But there is no where to go- no heaven, no hell, only

Karambhoomi. You have to learn how the system created by Shiv-Shakti

nexus works, or you will be stuck here forever.

 

 

Have you seen the Movie the Matrix? Think of the Universe like that-

only the matrix is a good intellience that wants us to all to wake up.

Like in the movie, not everyone wants to wake up.

 

Heres a good Matrix dialogue

 

"Neo, there is a difference between knowing the path, and walking the

path".

 

Hope this answers your questions.

 

Shan bhai PW