Boycott Valentine Day & Celebrate Maha Shivaratri

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Boycott Valentine Day

 

 

 

 

Valentine’s Day was not part of Indian culture

 

"It is nothing but a Western onslaught on India's culture to attract youth for

commercial purposes."

 

Sick!ular Media is Promoting

 

Look at Indian Marxist partys Own Kairali TV leftist limestone bosses are

enjoying the fruits of capitalism they are Sold out For Money ??

 

 

The banality of Valentine Day

2/11/2006 11:09:41 AM HK Correspondent

Source: http://www.haindavakeralam.org/PageModule.aspx?PageID=667&SKIN=C

 

 

 

Christian western confidence has fallen to low ebb. Those who dreamed of world

evangelization and conquest are now desperate. There is a crisis of confidence.

The international dimensions of the current malaise indicate that it cannot be

attributed to western failure of nerve or marketable ideas. They have lost the

capacity to confront non-Christian world militarily but they have devised plans

for cultural invasion, shape public opinion, and undermine spiritual traditions.

With the help of multi national corporations, the Christian west is now engaged

in a psychological warfare to breakdown the barriers to free market activity,

smash through or bypass the culture and spiritual tradition. This will give way

before organized Christian evangelists can promote their well-packaged

conversion products.

 

Celebrating Valentine Day and selling Valentine Cards in India is a cultural

invasion that introduces one of the worst features of the collapsing Christian

empire. It is a deliberate and cleverly devised plan of deceitful battle for our

mind. It is a subtle attempt to liberate Indians from their rich culture and

enslave them with rigid, fundamentalist, exclusive dogma. It is a deliberate

plan to force Hindus to discard their spiritual tradition and force them to

escape from freedom to slavery.

 

Promoting Valentines Day is a deliberate ploy to trivialize our cultural

tradition, spiritual festivals, social customs and religious holidays. In the

name of love, romance and courtship, Valentine Day is used to promote

pre-marital sex, and trivial, valueless western life style. For the multi

national corporations, India is a market place. The marketing experts, the media

and the business people join together to promote Valentine cards, fast foods and

party gadgets to make money. They neglect traditional culture and promote fast

food culture and throw away products.

 

The marketing of discarded western goods and meaningless cultural festivals

devalues our spiritual past and create a cultural crisis. A nation is known, and

the people have been recognized on the basis of religion, art, festivals,

customs, food, language and spiritual tradition. A nation’s cultural habits and

religious practices make them unique. India has survived hundreds of years of

Muslim invasion and Christian colonization because Hindus were able to preserve

the spiritual tradition. Now the Christian west is attempting to decimate our

eternal Hindu culture by dubious means. This Valentine Day celebration is a

clear form of cultural invasion, a psychological trick to oppress our dynamic,

vibrant and eternal culture.

 

The deliberate and cunning strategy to devalue our Hindu culture needs to be

resisted. Hindus need to examine how western cultural habits and religious

holidays like Valentine Day are infiltrating our society. Our survival as a

nation, our social, political, economic, cultural future depends on resisting

cultural invasion disguised in many forms including Valentine Day. It is a

deceptive, open and covert form of psychological warfare to annihilate our Hindu

tradition.

 

There is nothing wrong in modernizing our nation, embracing progressive ideas,

but denial of our rich Hindu cultural traditions and festivals for flimsy,

meaningless consumer products and transient habits are dangerous for the future

of our nation. It is time to resist cultural invasion and keep our distance from

festivals like Valentine Day.

 

PROTEST AND ASK THEM TO STOP PROMOTING THIS KIND OF DIRTY VALENTINES DAY IN

TELEVISION

 

here is some malayalam channels Promoting valentines days

 

mail them take telephone call them feed back them & PROTEST

 

http://www.kairali.tv/contactus.htm

marxist party channel

 

they are dedicated today feb14 24 hrs for valentinesday

Giving diamond pendant from sms messages !

and the sponser is alukkas !

 

every one send Maha Sivarathri wishes sms to friends & tv channels

instead of valentines

 

sms kairali tv

 

KAI space'message'your name send to 676776

 

 

 

 

http://www.asianetplus.tv/contactus.htm

http://www.asianetplus.tv/feedback.htm

asianetplus

 

 

SMS Boycott valentines day

 

Asianet Plus

'AP'space'your name'space'you message' send to 7887

 

Kiran tv

'KW'space'yourname'space'yourmessage' send to

5858

 

sun music,ndtv,aajtak,starnews feed back to all channels who are promoting

thic Valentines day

http://www.ndtv.com/feedback/default.asp

http://www.aajtak.com/?STORY=CONTACT

 

 

Legend behind Who was Valentine?

 

 

 

Three theories: 1.Valentine was a Roman priest who was martyred during the

persecution of Claudius the Goth around A.D. 269 or 270 and buried on the

Flaminian Way. 2.Valentine was a bishop of Terni martyred in Rome. 3. Valentine

as a young, though unsaved helped Christians during a time of persecution. He

was caught and put in jail, became a believer there and was clubbed to death for

this on February 14, 269. While in prison he is said to have sent messages to

friends saying, "Remember your Valentine" and "I love you". In one story it is

said that Valentine was a priest that secretly married couples, defying the law

of Emperor Claudius which temporarily forbid marriages. Valentine was imprisoned

for refusing to worship pagan gods. Making friends with the jailers daughter,

he is said to have cured her through prayer, and on the date of his execution

(Feb. 14th) he is said to written her a not signed "Your Valentine". The one

thing we can be sure of is that at least one person

by the name of Valentine did live and that he was killed for being a Christian.

Beyond this we are on shaky ground. The 14th of February was set apart as

the special day to remember Saint Valentine. This was one day before the Roman

feast of Lupercalia, a pagan love festival. In 496 A.D. Pope Gelasius changed

Lupercalia from the 15th to the 14th to try and stop the pagan celebration. The

church realized that there was nothing wrong with celebrating love, only the

pagan elements insulted God. Lupercalia was done away with, but it had left it's

mark on Saint Valentine's Day.

(source: http://www.bright.net/~magates/Valentine/).

 

 

Basant Panchmi

 

Hindu groups have appealed to the country's youth to boycott the 'Western

festival' and instead observe the 'Basant Panchmi' as a day of love and

friendship in a 'decent Indian way'. Unmarried couples get societal license for

sex on the day of Saint Valentine's day. How ironic of a Saint to permit

licentious behavior! Indian value system places ultra-importance for a

bramacharya to gain inner control over this all-consuming primal force and

direct it toward the Supreme Brahman. Unwed people celebrating valentines day

will most definitely lead to "sex before marriage", unwed mothers and other

social ills that plague western society. Western societies have excellent

government programs to tackle social issues and steer clear of catastrophic

disasters like AIDS and other STDS. Hindu festivals are banned in the Northeast.

 

Indian youth was imitating the Western values at a time when the Western

people were increasingly attracted to Indian ethos. It is ironic that even after

celebrating Valentine's Day, the West has the highest divorce rates in the

world. According the Scientific American magazine: Divorce rates in most

Western countries are much higher now than they were before 1970, probably

resulting in part from the growing economic independence of women, which makes

it easier for wives to walk away from bad marriages. Only 67 percent of American

women aged 35 to 44 were legally married as of 1998. In Britain, divorce rates

are up as well according to ABCNews.com May 17.2002). It is an indirect

imposition of cultural change and consumerism for the benefit of big businesses.

It has nothing to do with any religion at all nor with expression of love.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Records show church's decades of patience with pedophile priests, while

victims were ignored

 

by Laura Wides, Associated Press

 

Oct. 12, 2005

 

 

Gay mariages @ Catholic Church

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Newly released records of sex abuse claims against 126 priests that are at the

core of hundreds of lawsuits against the Archdiocese of Los Angeles show that

church officials for decades moved accused priests between counseling and new

assignments.

 

Attorneys for 500 alleged victims and the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Los

Angeles had previously agreed to release the information, but lawyers for

accused clergy succeeded in blocking publication, arguing it would violate

priests' privacy rights. An appellate court last month ordered the documents to

be released after nearly three years of legal wrangling.

 

The records conform with the pattern of the abuse crisis that erupted in the

American church nearly four years ago. In many cases, the church provided years

of therapy to accused clergy, believing the men could be rehabilitated, then

assigned them to new parishes, which often resulted in new claims against them.

 

Still, the Los Angeles Archdiocese appears to have so far avoided the damaging

full disclosure forced on other American dioceses by judges and grand juries.

 

Church officials late Tuesday released summaries of their personnel records. By

comparison, the files a judge unsealed in the Archdiocese of Boston, where the

abuse crisis began in early 2002, contained doctors' reports, memos from

diocesan officials about meetings with distraught parents and other details that

revealed an insensitivity to victims. The documents enraged Catholics and forced

Cardinal Bernard Law to resign as Boston archbishop.

 

Raymond P. Boucher, the lead plaintiffs' attorney in Los Angeles, said the newly

released information was a first step, but that complete personnel files should

be made public.

 

"The significance of these files is that they provide a little more information

for the public about the church's knowledge and frankly their participation in

the molestation of children, but until the (entire) files are made public, we're

not going to be satisfied," he said.

 

Archdiocese attorney J. Michael Hennigan called Boucher's concerns that the

summaries might be whitewashed "nonsense."

 

"Ray has not seen the files themselves and has no basis to say that beyond

speculation," he said. "These are accurate descriptions of the content of the

files, without disclosing confidential communication."

 

The records cover priests who were ordained as far back as the 1920s. Cardinal

Roger Mahony, who has led the archdiocese since 1985, had overseen many of the

men. A spokesman for Mahony has repeatedly insisted the cardinal wanted to

reveal the information to promote reconciliation with victims, but was barred by

confidentiality laws.

 

David Clohessy, national director of the Survivors Network of those Abused by

Priests, accused Mahony of "shameless posturing as some sort of reformer," while

he used legal maneuvers to block a full accounting of his role in the crisis.

 

"Mahony is grasping at straws to convince his flock that he's not as awful as

many of his colleagues," Clohessy said. "And as he has for years, Mahony is

trying anything he can dream up to avoid having to fully reveal how little he

did to safeguard innocent kids from abusive clerics."

 

The documents offer details in numerous cases, though much of the information

has already been published. In many of the files, there was little mention of

child molestation. Instead, euphemisms such as "boundary violations" were used

to describe the conduct.

 

One priest, who served as a teacher and administrator at numerous Southern

California schools, was convicted of molesting two boys and given probation. The

conviction was later expunged from his record. A subsequent report was made in

1994 of "boundary violations," in which he allegedly patted the buttocks of a

teenager. He entered alcohol treatment days later and was eventually placed on

leave.

 

Another priest's file shows the archdiocese received repeated complaints that he

engaged in "inappropriate sexual conduct with children" beginning in 1959, but

that it did not appear to take significant action against him until 1994 when he

was relieved of his duties, according to the documents.

 

Many bishops have said they were misled by therapists to believe that a sexual

attraction to young people could be cured. As church officials' understanding of

sex abuse deepened, accused priests were generally removed from the ministry

altogether, Hennigan said.

 

The archdiocese, the nation's largest, serves nearly 3.6 million people in 284

parishes. It has posted about 150 pages of summaries from the clergy files on

its Web site.

 

http://www.unknownnews.net/vaticanpedophilesclub.html

 

 

 

Catholic Pedophile Priests:

The Effect on US Society

 

Here are a few of the highlights.

 

US clerics accused of abuse from 1950-2002: 4,392.

 

About 4% of the 109,694 serving during those 52 years.

 

Individuals making accusations: 10,667.

Victims' ages: 5.8% under 7; 16% ages 8-10; 50.9% ages 11-14; 27.3% ages 15-17.

 

Victims' gender: 81% male, 19% female

Duration of abuse: Among victims, 38.4% said all incidents occurred within one

year; 21.8% said one to two years; 28%, two to four years; 11.8% longer.

 

Victims per priest: 55.7% with one victim; 26.9% with two or three; 13.9% with

four to nine; 3.5% with 10 or more (these 149 priests caused 27% of

allegations).

 

Abuse locations: 40.9% at priest's residence; 16.3% in church; 42.8% elsewhere.

Known cost to dioceses and religious orders: $572,507,094 (does not include the

$85 million Boston settlement and other expenses after research was concluded).

(Hartford Courant, 2/27/04)

 

http://www.priestsofdarkness.com/stats.html

 

Trial starts in pedophile priest's slaying

 

Geoghan's case sparked the clergy sex abuse scandal that erupted in Boston in

2002 when records were released showing that church higher-ups had shuffled him

and dozens of other priests from parish to parish despite allegations they were

sexually abusing children.

 

At the time of his death, Geoghan, 68, was serving a nine- to 10-year sentence

for groping a 10-year-old boy. He also was accused in civil lawsuits of

molesting nearly 150 boys over three decades.

 

Druce, 40, a convicted murderer who already is serving a life sentence,

unsuccessfully used an insanity defense during his 1989 trial for the killing of

a man who allegedly made a sexual advance toward him after picking him up

hitchhiking.

 

 

 

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/01/09/priest...tion=cnn_latest

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dan Wasserman, The Boston Globe

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[Guest guest]

Interesting thought.

 

Is English language part of "Indian Culture"? And yet it is english

that has been the basis of the success of the Indian professionals

in the global community?

 

Is corruption and sloth, and cheating and backstabbing, and

manipulating and the filthy masala movies, insulting and killing

women in the name of dowry, insulting human beings in the name of

caste, to name a few, part of Indian culture too?

 

Why don't you attempt to extract the "foreign" elements from Indian

culture today .. music, food, lifestyle, literature, anything and

see what all you need to "boycott"!

 

Fanaticism is the worst enemy of a culture. Instead sit back, take

20 deep breaths, meditate or praise Krishna or shiva or whoever and

ask yourself what would your devata do if he was given this task!

 

_/\_ Tat twam asi

 

Uma

 

 

, shakti shakti <hindushakti2000

wrote:

>

> Boycott Valentine Day

>

>

>

>

> Valentine's Day was not part of Indian culture

>

> "It is nothing but a Western onslaught on India's culture to

attract youth for commercial purposes."

>

>

[Guest guest]

, "Tatwamasi" <tatwamasi wrote:

>

> Interesting thought.

>

> Is corruption and sloth, and cheating and backstabbing, and

> manipulating and the filthy masala movies, insulting and killing

> women in the name of dowry, insulting human beings in the name of

> caste, to name a few, part of Indian culture too?

---------------------

 

agree in principle...accepting anything good (like language) is

not bad.

 

but seeing corruption sloth, cheating backstabbing,

manipulating..in india shows your ignorance ...Can u tell me USA is

free of these things ??

 

Filthy masala movies ? what about milions of blue films made in

USA?

 

 

dowry deaths? have you forgotten the thousands of women mudered in

the name of witchcraft? or the western girls raped by own relatives

and made pregnent??

 

Caste? it is not far in past that blacks were slaves ..and were

treated at par with animals....West still hate colored and most of

them are racists...only they pretend not to be

 

I am not advocating social-evils prevailing in india..but it is

painful to see a sadhka seeing bad things only about India and its

culture.

 

Can we forget the Torch of Truth prevailing in india...in forms of

our ancient scriptures..which will show light to the world...

 

India is a beautiful country...and I love it with all its

weaknesses...which i am sure will fade away with spritual progress

 

 

with love

 

baba

[Guest guest]

Dear all

 

very interesting thought indeed ......

 

But we must be carefull .......

 

True , everything about west is not bad neither is all good about us.

 

However there is one fundamental difference ...even after 900 years of

colonial rule and constant attack on our dharma the sattvic flame still burns

strong.... where as if you see west is completely Rajasic and Tamasic even when

they do some good Tamas creeps into it in the form of pride and vanity. When

India refused aid after tsunami there was a lot of hulla in West about it ....

Mother Teresa always insisted on conversion in return for helping the poor.(How

motherly indeed !!!)

 

But even while all this is true i do not support attacking shops selling

valentine day items etc

 

Instead we should spread Sattvic message , need of the hour is to organize the

hindu

community at grass root level( the poor / lower castes) so that this constant

bombardment can be withstood and repulsed.

 

br

 

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[Guest guest]

Extremist thinking doesn't befit a sadhak at any time. Neither does

tunnel vision. No one can accuse me of not having the absolute

highest respect for Sanatan Dharm and India and I have spoken of it

many a time in my past posts. I know its painful to see the negative

within our own self!

 

I do have trouble however with simply basking in our past glory and

blaming today's problems on everyone else! Instead of looking at what

is making young and old seek out occasions like Valentines day, we

blame foreign culture for it! Everything is totally someone else's

responsibility, not mine! I don't see the fanatics protesting in

equally loud voices killing of females babies!

 

As far as the ills of the west, I can make a list longer than you can

imagine. I work with the poorest and the most dis-enfranchised. But

that is not the purpose of this discussion. Two wrongs don't make a

right!

 

Unless we begin to identify what we are doing to maintain the

strengths of our culture, how are we assisting our youth to

transition and translate our cultural strengths into the needs of the

global age where mass communication is removing all boundaries for

young and old, we will not be able to make sense of its social and

moral development. We need to understand what needs are being served

by such celebrations like Valentines day or Christmas day, and how

they can be served in equally meaningful ways through our own

culture to our youth today.

 

For instance Qn. What is it about Valentines Day that is so

attractive to our people today? What purpose do you think it is

serving?

 

_/\_ Tat twam asi

 

Uma

 

PS Blue films? Do you know where is its biggest market?

 

, "Baba ji" <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

>

> I am not advocating social-evils prevailing in india..but it is

> painful to see a sadhka seeing bad things only about India and its

> culture.

>

[Guest guest]

, "Tatwamasi" <tatwamasi wrote:

>

> Extremist thinking doesn't befit a sadhak at any time. Neither does

 

 

The youth of india(or any country).. are always fascinated by any

new idea, which breaks their old age customs. Youth are ready to dance

naked, or smoke marijuana..in the name of western culture.

 

Can you please tell me a few benefits of Valentine's day for indian

masses ?

 

baba

[Guest guest]

Uma,

 

I don’t think this is fanaticism, its reaction

towards the opportunist youths who find ways to

perform incorrect and immoral activities.

 

If you see the Indian culture, it is basically

supportive to spiritual rather than material things.

Off course the followers misinterpret the things and

they get extremist about it, that’s different

subject. There is no specific celebration in Indian

culture for "lovers" since it was taken as individual

preference and not a social programme. Deep love on

physical body is never been a focus of attainment in

Indian culture.

 

The "charvak" (rinam krutva ghritam pibet" )philosophy

was there in old days too. Also "Lord Shri

Bhartuhari"s

"shringarshatak,"kalidas"meghdoota""mritshakaticam",Vasyayan

"kamsutra", everything which is most materialistic was

there in the society. Yet it couldn’t got into main

flow of Indian culture. Because the Indian culture is

always focused towards more in spirituality. They

accept sexuality as normal behavior and nothing more

than that. In wedding the oath is taken "naticharami"

means what? I will never be excessive in action,

specifically including sex. The systems were made so

that the focus shall not be material.

 

The intention of Valentine Day may be good, but under

its name if worse things are happening, then it is

qualified for boycott only for india, because of the

difference in social setup. Although boycott is not

the solution of problem, coz the people who are

celebrating don’t know what the valentine is, how

one can expect them to do proper things on that day?

 

hemadri Pandit has written "Dharmasindhu" in four

volumes. One volume is only for celebrations of

various utsavs and vratas. If we count them, everyday

we will have to perform two or three celebrations,

Still more celebrations are required?

 

When people will really be acquainted with our culture

and its meanings, they will stop doing activities

which are irrelevant,

 

Till then at least some glimpses of resistance to

worst actions is definitely required.

 

 

--- Tatwamasi <tatwamasi wrote:

 

> Fanaticism is the worst enemy of a culture. Instead

> sit back, take

> 20 deep breaths, meditate or praise Krishna or shiva

> or whoever and

> ask yourself what would your devata do if he was

> given this task!

>

> _/\_ Tat twam asi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> For instance Qn. What is it about Valentines Day that is so

> attractive to our people today? What purpose do you think it is

> serving?

 

It doesnt serve any purpose- and thats the point. Its a purely

commercial festival- like mothers or fathers day. So you love your

parents/wife once a year, and ditch them in old peoples home for the

rest of the year.

 

Dont confuse shameless corportisation of society and Western Govt as

"Western Culture".

 

> I do have trouble however with simply basking in our past glory and

> blaming today's problems on everyone else! Instead of looking at

>what is making young and old seek out occasions like Valentines day,

>we blame foreign culture for it!

 

Past glory? Isnt India now the leader of the Industrial World(no. 2 in

Investments, considering fact we opened our economy only 10 yrs ago,

compared to 30 for China), leader in Engineering, programming,

manufacturing, fashion, you name it. And we have always been the

Spiritual leaders of the world. So why sould we copy Western people?

Does Mercedes copy Daewoo?

 

We arent blaming western culture, but since we are a more mature

society than them(we have existed for 10,000 years, they for 2000, and

civilised for only 200!), we are in a better position to find

faults/pitfalls in the approach they are following.

 

Even many western people are beginning to see that their "Buy

happiness with money" isnt working, and are turning to Eastern

cultures, mainly Hinduism .

 

 

Western culture(esp American) is like a man who has jumped off a cliff

with birds wings, and thinks he is flying. Since the ground is far

away, he thinks he flying, but actually he if falling, and the ground

is going to hit him pretty hard and pretty fast! He doesnt realise it,

but a man standing far away on the cliff does(Hindu culture).

 

So should we strap on wings and jump off the cliff too, or enjoy the

man who thinks he is flying, but actually soon to die? :-))

 

Shan bhai PW

[Guest guest]

, "udaykumar S.K." <udaykumar001

wrote:

>

>

> Uma,

>

> I don,t think this is fanaticism, its reaction

--------------------------

Very true ! now America has invented atomic power ...now we import

the bomb technology or technology to generate electricity....we have

to use our viveka! our youth must be told to respect our own

festivals/culture first..

 

This Sadhna forum is important...and may be guiding many

people...instead of counting problems of our culture, we must tell

our youth about our true culture...not the culture which the pseudo-

seclurists are spreading..which is nothing but hatered against

Hinduism and our culture.

 

The shameless gundagardi, which goes on in the name of valentine's

day in India may surprise even westeners.

 

And I must tell you that valentine's Day is nothing new for

India...long ago (before moguls attacks)...a festival

called "Madanotsava" was celebrated on Basant Panchami...in India.

In this festival all the youths...girls and boys used to gather in

the garden and danced and enjoyed...and selected their life partener

there.

 

In the name of V.Day, big companies are actually finding a new

market of nouveous riches...who have no knowledge of their culture

and are falling pray to the gimmicks of multinationals.

 

SO WE MUST SEND A MESSAGE ACROSS....ALL (PARTICULARLY YOUTH) MUST

CHANT OM NAHO SHIVAYE ON SHIVARATRI.... that Z how we can guide them..

 

with love

 

baba

[Guest guest]

So glad to see you have joined our dialogue.

 

Where is everyone else? Am looking forward for many many more members

to join in with their thoughts!!

 

_/\_ Tat twam asi

 

Uma

[Guest guest]

ONLY SPIRITUALITY CAN KEEP THE WORLD SANE"

 

—Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev

Life Positive: Why has there been a spurt in spiritual

seeking all over the world in recent years?

Jaggi: As societies reach a certain level of

affluence, people begin to realize that economic well

being that was so important when they did not have it,

is a myth. That is when they start looking for inner

well being. It is not new. Many ancient sages were

kings once. A king has everything that one could need

externally but still there is no fulfillment, which is

all that everyone is seeking through various means

like money, property, power, pleasure, God, heaven, or

whatever. With this realization that the external

cannot fulfill, people turn inward naturally and

spiritual seeking starts.

 

Why do all spiritual answers seem to lie in the

Indo-Chinese belt even though civilizations, new and

old, have existed all over the world?

Jaggi: People with spiritual experience and longing

have been there in all parts of the world. But it is

only in India that the spiritual process was looked at

in great depth and understanding. A scientific method

of inner development evolved and the whole culture was

spiritually oriented. Most spiritual processes in

China went there with Indian Buddhist monks.

 

India has been and will remain the spiritual capital

of the world. This is the only culture where a

well-established guru-shishya parampara (ancient

Indian master-disciple tradition) exists. This is the

basis of experiential transmission, the backbone of

the spiritual process as opposed to intellectual

transmission that only leads to philosophy rather than

self-transforming experiences.

 

Why do spiritual programs seem to be in a race to get

more and more devotees? How different is it from

religious evangelism?

Jaggi: Religious evangelism is about making people

believe your fancy story, but the spiritual process is

to help people go beyond belief systems and explore

their innermost core. This can be done only by

dedicated beings.

 

Some enterprising people are always seeking to make a

business out of everything; otherwise I don't see any

race. We, at Isha Yoga Centre, are eager to offer what

has been wonderful in our lives. A lot of care is

taken to see that those who transmit it don't

commercialize it.

 

Despite an increasing number of people on one

spiritual path or the other, we still see ourselves on

the brink of a war today. Why?

Jaggi: Forces of love-compassion and anger-hate are

always functioning in the world. It is a seesaw game.

The question is: which end of the seesaw do you want

loaded? If we are really on the brink of a terrible

situation, it is all the more important that the

spiritual process is applied more vigorously as

ultimately that is the only thing that will maintain

sanity in the world.

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

There are at least 3 ways to solve a problem.

 

1. Kill the messenger for the message if the message is hard to

swallow.

 

2. Deflect the message with shouts and rhetorics to kill and shut

out opportunities to dialogue and sincerely look within.

 

3. Understand the problem, and identify solutions.

 

4. Hide one's head in the sand, and pretend it will go away.

 

You mention "reaction" and not fanatism against "incorrect and

immoral activities" - In that case, you must really understand the

muslim "reaction" to the insulting cartoons. They are angry and are

protesting against what they perceive as "incorrect and immoral

activities". In fact their entire fight is based on this idea ..

west is bad, they are immoral and incorrect according to us,

therefore get rid of them by killing them. So what is wrong with

their actions? Now that Bush and co. are also using the same logic

eye for an eye! So what makes that wrong?

 

Reaction is a very real and natural part of human emotion. Unless

one is totaly grounded in equanimity, reaction is par of the course.

What differentiates people is the ACTION (How and what) they take.

We may can both get angry over something. How we deal with it

reflects our sadhna - practice.

 

Going back to Valentines Day, love in all its forms have been

celebrated in Indian culture for ages- egs are the celebration

pointed out by baba, love stories of Krishna, the amazing sculptures

of Khajuraho, to name a few. Different people perceive these stories

at different levels of understanding, take what they want and

act accordingly. Who will decide what is right and what is wrong?

Once decided, how will they be applied and enforced? The answers to

such questions determine the maturity and consciousness of a

society.

 

Todays incredible growth in Indian economy, rests on two-way

commerce with the so called "wicked west"! (I won't even go into the

economics of it!) Literally millions of dollars/Rupees worth of

business flows from this new prosperous community, young and mid

aged. Burning shops, screaming and shouting and blaming the west for

it's "morals" is going to bring people away and back to honor hindu

celebrations?

 

Why have people taken to this celebration in such a big way? Many

reasons have been offered -

 

1. It focuses on very basic emotions of love, lust, greed, etc

2. "In the name of V.Day, big companies are actually finding a new

market of nouveous riches.."

3. "This Valentine Day celebration is a clear form of cultural

invasion, a psychological trick to oppress our dynamic, vibrant and

eternal culture."

 

I say, that our young and mid young people are desperately seeking a

sense of belonging, a feeling of connectedness, a sense of security,

a sense of stability in this world full of extremist attitudes and

measures, fast changing attitudes, incredibly fast paced life in the

work place (the basis of today's prosperity). Together to the

much needed economic/commercial progress, they are not being taught

the skills needed to deal with the fall out of this new prosperity.

Therefore, this gap is being filled by whatever is presented.

 

I also say, it's a day to celebrate the power of love. Just as

we celebrate Goddess Saraswati on one particular day, without

forgetting her the rest of the year, or a birthday of our child

without forgetting her the rest of the year, we can take this

opportunity to celebrate love for all humanity. I don't buy V cards,

but in my community we certainly use e-cards to send out to alll my

friends.

 

An important part of sadhna is realizing the role of all the parts -

body, mind and spirit. An integrated approach is needed with

attention to all parts, all the chakras have to be balanced for the

energy to flow. Focusing on the upper chakra needs of spirituality

based on a denial of lower chakra needs leads to nothing but misery

and a revolt of sorts. This has been experienced by many many

practitioners. It's like a tall tree with beautifully developed

crown, but a weak ungrounded root system.

 

Whose job is it to teach them? Parents? Many parents themselves

don't know what they are doing. Since Hinduism is not taught in a

systematic manner (unlike other organized religions), the youth

learns tools for living from the loudest of the community - now

global community thanks to the IT revolution. Thank goodness for

some of the Bala Vihara programs of the various institutions across

the world.

 

Sadhna is learning and practice of the spiritual principles,

addressing needs that are real, and finding appropriate ways of

fulfilling them. The youth DOES need "Madanotsava"; it is their

stage of life. They need to find life partners, and start the

Grihasti part of their life cycle. They need to be offered,

apropriate BALANCED alternatives for their stage of life!

 

Ask them, what is missing from their lives today? You may be

surprised!

 

Gundagardi? that goes on in the name of tantra, krishna lila,

navratri and many many other pefectly innocent celebrations. You

want those banned too?

 

I take this Valentine's Day opportunity to send love and light to

all my satsangh members. May you all be showered with love

throughout the year and always. May all be blessed with skills of

patience, listening (listen involves mind AND hearing organs)

understanding, and balanced mature decision making.

 

_/\_ Tat twam asi

 

Uma

 

, "udaykumar S.K." <udaykumar001

wrote:

>

>

> Uma,

>

> I don’t think this is fanaticism, its reaction

> towards the opportunist youths who find ways to

> perform incorrect and immoral activities.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Uma,

 

1. Your solutions ==There is a fundamental difference

in strategic attitude in hindus.

 

2. Muslims want their religion has to be in centre

power, spread across and everywhere they are behind

it. They are having many camps and planned strategy.

It can not be compared with what Indians are

reflecting now. If you think by boycotting the Indians

are attacking, then it is not right. Bush and co. is

again the power fight.

 

Its not in Hindus blood to attack on the name of

religion, but when they find something is incorrect,

they are always against it. In my views its perfect

to express their views.

3. Anger is natural phenomena for un-liberated soul

arising coz the failure of expectations created by

attachments. Sadhna doesnt minds if anybody exposes

the internals, on the contrary sadhna is fruitful for

a pure and exposed heart. You can very well become

angry with me.

 

4. Hindus do not have definition of love as physical

body. Therefore there are no social programs for

expressing your love on body physics. They deal with

love as eternal and divine thing and its not based on

anatomy. Khajuraho has different significance. Hindus

always adjoin divinity which makes the gatherings

divine.

 

5. Hindus are definitely receptive. Therefore the

society could got converted into hinglish

Society. But that doesnt means anybody come and paste

lebel of celebrations to you ,as if you dont have

any?,

 

6. Further replies are not my reactions. Let babaji

reply them if he chooses.

 

This is not view pre-cast but its very practical view,

which should not be taken under false emotional

background.

 

Love is highly natural, no body can deny it, but when

it becomes a show, what is the use?

 

Also Please note that I am not against valentine day,

if you read carefully my messege,

 

--- Tatwamasi <tatwamasi wrote:

 

There are at least 3 ways to solve a problem.