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75/10/01 Mauritius, Bhagavad-gita 2.11

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Prabhupada:

 

sri bhagavan uvaca

asocyan anvasocas tvam

prajna-vadams ca bhasase

gatasun agatasums ca

nanusocanti panditah

[bg. 2.11]

 

This is the version of Krsna in the beginning of Bhagavad-gita. So first

of all it is said here, Vyasadeva, the author..., not author, the compiler who

recorded the talks between Krsna and Arjuna and then put it systematically in a

book form. So he says that bhagavan uvaca. Bhagavan means the Supreme Person.

Just like in this meeting, amongst my students, I am the supreme person,

similarly, in the state there is a supreme person, the president or the prime

minister, so everywhere you will find out one supreme person. Without a supreme

person nothing can be managed, order-giving person. This is everlastingly

existing, and you cannot avoid this. Even in Communist country they also have

the supreme person, dictator. So taking the whole universal affair, the nature,

how things are going on... The sun is rising early in the morning. It is setting

exactly in due time. Then the moon is coming. Everyone in big, big planetary

system, they are working very systematically. The astronomical calculation is so

perfect that, they say, one ten-thousandth part of a second is also calculated.

So accurately things are moving.

 

So in the Brahma-samhita it is said, yac caksur esa savita

sakala-grahanam. The sun is the eye of all the planets. We have got eyes, but

unless there is sunrise, what is the value of our eyes? We cannot see. We are

very much proud of our eyes, we want to see everything. But we do not calculate

the value of our eyes. Unless there is sunshine we cannot see. At night, unless

there is electricity or moonlight or some lamp, we cannot see. And still, we are

very much proud of seeing. This is called illusion. We have no power. We are put

under certain condition; then we work. Otherwise we cannot work. Prakrteh

kriyamanani. Prakrti, material nature, puts us under certain condition and we

work accordingly, not independently. And the prakrti, material nature, also

working under somebody. Just like when you go on the street you see red light

and green light. As soon as you see red light you stop your car. So this red

light and green light is being manipulated by the police, and the police is

working under government. Similarly, this whole material nature is acting like

red light or green light, but behind that red light and green light there is the

supreme brain. That is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. So as a layman or as

child cannot understand how the red light and blue light, green light, is

working... He sees simply, he thinks automatically it is being done. That is

foolishness. It is not being automatically done. There is machine. There is

manipulator behind this red light. So this is intelligence. Anyone who is

concluding that "On the street the red light and green light is working

automatically; there is no brain behind it," he's a rascal. Simi larly, the

whole material cosmic manifestation is working... Even the big sun planet, it is

also working under certain direction. Yac caksur esa savita sakala-grahanam.

Without sunrise nobody can see, not only in this planet, in other planets also,

sakala-grahanam. So this sun planet is so important... Day and night, year and

millions of years -- everything is being calculated on the solar system. So this

powerful planet is described as the eyes of everyone. Without sunshine nobody

can see. Yac caksur esa savita sakala-grahanam raja. It is to be considered as

the king of all planets, raja, sakala-grahanam. All the planets, they are

moving, rotating on the heat of the sun, heat and light, and they are working on

the light of the sun. Sun is so important. Everything is described in the Vedic

literature. So that sun also -- working under somebody's direction. Yasyajnaya

bhramati sambhrta-kala-cakrah. The sun is rotating in the orbit at the speed of

sixteen thousand miles per second by the order of somebody. That is Govinda.

Yasyajnaya bhramati sambhrta-kala-cakro govindam adi-purusam tam aham bhajami

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So this is knowledge. This is knowledge. So the Supreme Person is

Bhagavan. Bhaga means six kinds of opulences: the richest, the most powerful,

the wisest, the most beautiful, and the most influential, and the most renounced

at the same time. Just like this whole cosmic manifestation is created by the

will of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, but you will not find him here.

Disinterested. Many millions of universes are working by His will, but He is not

interested. The example is just like a big capitalist. He has got many

factories, and if you go to the factory -- there is a Tata factory, iron factory

-- you will find huge factories going on, but Mr. Tata is not there. Things are

going on. Similarly, all cosmic manifestation going on, it is under the will of

Krsna. But He is not present here. That is explained in the Bhagavad-gita,

mat-sthani sarva-bhutani: [bg. 9.4] "Everything is resting on Me." Any factory,

every worker knows that the whole factory function resting on that supreme

person. He knows that. So actually fact is that mat-sthani sarva-bhutani naham

tesu avasthitah: "But I am not there. I am not there." Similarly, Bhagavan means

that. Under His will, under His power, everything is working so nicely,

systematically, but if you want to see God, Krsna, you cannot see Him. He is not

there. He is in Goloka Vrndavana, but His influence is so extensive that even

without His personal presence, things are going on so nicely. This is called

Bhagavan. Bhagavan means this.

 

So here in this Bhagavad-gita, that Bhagavan is giving you knowledge. So

how much perfect it is, you have to consider. Vyasadeva could have said,

"sri-vyasadeva uvaca." No. Bhagavan uvaca, so authoritative. So whatever He

says, there cannot be any change. It is all perfect. Unfortunately, we rascals,

we do not take Bhagavad-gita as it is. We want to change it according to our

whims. This rascal havoc has ruined the whole world. Otherwise, if they would

have preached Bhagavad-gita as it is, the world situation would have been

different. Everything would have been in order, tranquility, peace, and

everybody would have been prosperous. But the rascals will not do that. That is

the defect. Therefore our tiny effort is how to present Bhagavad-gita as it is.

This is our mission. If we take... Even now, in this distorted condition of the

world, if we accept Bhagavad-gita as it is, then still, we will be benefited.

There is no doubt about it. Therefore our appeal is that throughout the whole

world people should come, try to understand Bhagavad-gita, and set up examples

and do the needful. Then everything will be peaceful. This is the peace formula.

Bhoktaram yajna-tapasam sarva-loka-mahesvaram, suhrdam sarva-bhutanam [bg.

5.29]. Suhrdam sarva-bhutanam. Suhrt means well-wisher. Well-wisher. Here is the

supreme well-wisher. He wants, Krsna wants that wherever you live, you live

peacefully and happily; and therefore He is called suhrt. He is desiring

everyone's happiness. Therefore He comes Himself to advise, to instruct how to

live, how to follow His instruction, and He leaves these behind Him, such books

as Bhagavad-gita, and He sends His representative occasionally to revive our

consciousness. This business is going on, not only in the human society, even in

the animal society. Anywhere, even in demigod society, things are going on like

that. Therefore we should know, whatever Bhagavan says, there cannot be any

mistake, any illusion, any cheating or any imperfectness. Then it will be very

nice. And that is the fact. The word used, bhagavan uvaca, means this

instruction is neither mistaken nor illusion nor cheating nor imperfect.

Whatever we teach, we speak, we conditioned soul... As I said, that we are very

much proud of our eyes, but we cannot see without sunrise... We cannot see

without electricity. But that is our defect. We are possessing everything

defective, still we are proud: "We are perfect." That is cheating. We are not

perfect. But Krsna, Bhagavan, is not like that. If we think Krsna is also like

us, avajananti mam mudha manusim... [bg. 9.11]. Because He teaches exactly like

a human being, He appears, therefore we think, "He may be little more

intelligent than me. After all, He is like me." No. He is Bhagavan. We have to

understand.

 

So the problem was that Arjuna was not willing to fight, considering his

family members as not to be killed. Nobody, of course, should like to kill his

family members, so that was natural. But this family relationship or national

relationship, community relationship, this is due to this body. I accept

somebody as my brother because he has got the body from the same father from

whom I have got this body. But the body is by-product of the father's body. So

this bodily relationship is material. Material means outward, external. It is

not real relationship. The father is a soul, I am soul, my brother is a soul, so

we are related on the spiritual platform in relationship with God because soul

is not matter. Our material father is... Material father means we see the

material body. We do not see the soul of the father, neither the father sees the

soul of the son. Everyone under illusion we are simply seeing the body and

accepting as kinsman. So this illusion was to be removed by Krsna, and therefore

He said, asocyan anvasocas tvam [bg. 2.11]. "You are lamenting over the body.

Oh, it is very regrettable. You are lamenting." Asocyan anvasocah. What is this

body? It is simply lump of matter. As soon as the soul is out of this body, what

is the value of this lump of matter? It will be thrown in the street, and

somebody will kick on the face. Nobody will care. Nobody will care. But so long

the soul is there, if you touch the hair even -- "Why you are touching my hair?"

But when the soul is not there, on the same face, if somebody kicks, nobody will

care. This is the position of the body. Therefore it is said, asocyan: "It is

garbage. Why you are lamenting on this garbage?" Asocyan anvasocas tvam [bg.

2.11]. "You are talking, very learned man, that 'If I kill my brothers the, my

brothers' wives will be widow, and there will be prostitution and then the whole

family will go to ruin.' These are all external condition." He...

 

This is real education, that "You are thinking on terms of the body;

therefore it is not very important subject matter." Real subject matter -- what

will happen to the soul -- that is real, important. But whole world, they do not

know what is the important platform. All rascals, they are concerned with this

body. That is not wonderful; that is natural. Even if we know, still, if there

is some bodily pain we become very much disturbed. But we should know, always

remember, that "I am not this body." The same example, that I have got a very

nice car, Rolls Royce car, I have got attachment, that is all right, but we

should know always that "I am not this Rolls Royce car. I am different from it."

This is knowledge. "I may have some attachment for my car. That is natural. I

have paid for it. I like it. But in spite of all these consideration I am not

the Rolls Royce car. The Rolls Royce car is a lump of matter. I am using it."

Similarly, we should always remember that "I am using this material body for my

transaction, different transaction, but I am not this material body." But a

devotee, he uses this material body, utilizes it properly. Just like we are also

going by aeroplane, by motorcar, but we have no concern with the... I have come

to you country by aeroplane not to see your country. I have come for Krsna's

business: to see if I can induce you to Krsna consciousness. Otherwise we have

no concern with this aeroplane or motorcar or anything. We take advantage.

Similarly, when we take advantage of this body for advancing in Krsna

consciousness, then it is very nice. Nirbandhah krsna-sambandhe. That is also

renouncement. He has no attachment. He simply uses things. Then that thing

becomes spiritual. Actually it is spiritual, and when it is not used for

spiritual purpose or Krsna's purpose, it is material, the same thing. What is

the difference between material and spiritual? That is, a picture is there.

There are so many pictures. People may say that "Here is the same picture. Why

these people are worshiping and offering arati and chanting?" But this picture

is spiritual because it enhances or enthuses a spiritual consciousness.

Therefore it is spiritual. Of course, it is not very easy to understand

immediately, but on the ultimate issue, everything is created by Krsna, or God,

so by seeing everything, if you remember Krsna, then that is spiritual. That is

spiritual. So anyway, for ordinary man this does not happen.

 

Therefore Krsna says that "You are lamenting for the body. Oh, it is very

astonishing. And you are talking like a very learned man." Everyone you will

find talking, very learned man. He knows something, but ask him, "What you are?"

"I am Indian.I am American. I am Mr. Such and such. I am father of such and

such." This is bodily... However great he may be, he is identified with the

body. And according to sastra, so long we shall identify with this body, we are

not better than the cats and dogs because they also identify with the body.

Therefore Krsna says, asocyan anvasocas tvam prajna-vadams ca bhasase [bg.

2.11]. "Why? I am wrong?" Yes. Because gatasun agatasums ca. The body, whether

with the soul or without the soul, it is material. So so long even the soul is

there, we should not be very much interested with the bodily comforts. We should

be interested how to make progress in spiritual consciousness. And general

people, they are simply engaged to get bodily comforts. The whole world is going

on. The material civilization means bodily comfort. They are increasing their

activities how to... They take it as civilization that to increase the bodily

comforts of life. That is their idea. But they do not know that even if we are

able to increase to the largest extent our bodily comfort, the body will not

exist. It will die. But we do not see to that, that "Never mind. We shall die.

So long we live..." Yavad jivet sukham jivet. "So long we live, let us live very

happily." So it is a great science. They do not know that... You may think that

you are living very happily, but you have to change this body, and that body may

not be very happy. That they do not know. This is ignorance, moha. Mohitam

nabhijanati. Being bewildered by the three modes of material nature, they do not

know what is the actual fact. Therefore we have to learn from the perfect

person, Krsna, what is this position. Here it is said that asocyan anvasocas

tvam prajna-vadams ca bhasase gatasun agatasums ca nanu... [bg. 2.11]. "This is

not the subject matter of eulogizing or lamenting. The subject matter should be

different. That is soul." Then He will explain, next verse.

 

Thank you very much.

 

Devotees: Haribol! (end)

 

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