Guest guest Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 , "Tatwamasi" <tatwamasi> wrote: > > > Here I would add the old, much debated and little-understood issue of Umaji this question has been debated many times in this forum and elsewhere too without reaching a final result. It still remains a haunting question for the Sadhkas and i have seen many getting confused over this question. Though this is true that the destiny of each human is enlightenment and Mother Nature is rigorously working on it...yet the path she takes for this evolution is not linear or in a straight line. She experiments, puts problems and sees how people solve it or how they react to a situation...and their reaction helps Mother Nature in selecting the subjects for spiritual progress. Mother Nature, according to our circumstances, environments, old karmas, capacities and state of mind, presents us with some solutions to a problem. We select one of these choices, and boast about it as our freedom of will. For example, a hungry man comes to us and asks for food...so nature gives us all available choices...we can give him some money to buy food...we can help him get work so that he is not hungry again....we can give a lecture to him to work and find food....we can chide him and go on our way....we can just ignore him and continue on our course...we can slap him for disturbing us. So the choices are presented by Mother Nature...but for selection...she does not force us to take a particular choice...and lets us make our own decision. This is the only free will that we have...and such small-small decisions decide if we are fit for next step on the evolution...or fit to go downwards..or need some more lessons. Hence we are not free for selecting the group of suggestions for a particular issue...this is decided and put forth by Mother Nature. But we are free to select one of the possible action and act on it...and we have a full free will for that. Mother Nature has evolved diferent sets of mind to react differently in a given situation...and our little choice...our little reaction..which is free of any factor...decides our future with love baba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 Yes, this question has certainly been discussed repeatedly, which indicates that some of us (including myself) are not quite sure of the answer yet. At one point one of my Guru's had been asking me to take care of my health, and take certain actions. frustrated with this question of freewill vs destiny, I said to him, "If everything is destiny then what if I don't do anything?" His answer was interesting. He said, as per your consciousness right now, there are certain things you will do, whether you like it or not. Your current inclinations are based on the awareness gathered from the past (aka karmic progress). Unknown to you, the arrival of a Guru, the "chance", the "coincidences", the guidance via any available instrument, all are part of the drama already laid out by the Universal Intelligence, in accordance to your karma. All you have to do is follow your inclination." Thus if a person appears to be stuck in a certain pattern of actions (behavior), untill they have learnt to break out of it, that is where they will stay. This "learning" is experiential, not inellecatual and comes out of a sum total of ones thoughts, feelings and actions. As in any interaction there is two sides .. the giver and the receiver. In your example of the hungry man and one's choices towards to him, a person will be "inclined" to help, if that is where they have reached in their spiritual evolution. On the receiver's side, the hungry man's inclination will also determine whether he gets food and in what manner. If he is in a state of resentful and/or fearful thinking that "everyone is bad; no one helps me, I am poor, I can never get out of this," etc etc he may not get the food he is looking for, and in fact may mirror back the same disrespect he has for his own self. If he is set karmically to learn the lesson of humility, because of past arrogance he is likely to meet different kind of givers, perhaps more insulting and demeaning. Depending on what he has to learn, he will be set up to for that kind of an interaction. And yes, nothing is linear in this amazing multidimentional world. We attempt to process such concepts through our limited perception and understanding capabilities, which make it even more confusing. _/\_ Tat Twam asi Uma , "Baba ji" <beirut_ka_baba> wrote: > >> Though this is true that the destiny of each human is enlightenment > and Mother Nature is rigorously working on it...yet the path she takes > for this evolution is not linear or in a straight line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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