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, "Tatwamasi" <tatwamasi> wrote:

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> Here I would add the old, much debated and little-understood issue of

 

Umaji this question has been debated many times in this forum and

elsewhere too without reaching a final result. It still remains a

haunting question for the Sadhkas and i have seen many getting

confused over this question.

 

Though this is true that the destiny of each human is enlightenment

and Mother Nature is rigorously working on it...yet the path she takes

for this evolution is not linear or in a straight line. She

experiments, puts problems and sees how people solve it or how they

react to a situation...and their reaction helps Mother Nature in

selecting the subjects for spiritual progress.

 

Mother Nature, according to our circumstances, environments, old

karmas, capacities and state of mind, presents us with some solutions

to a problem. We select one of these choices, and boast about it as

our freedom of will.

 

For example, a hungry man comes to us and asks for food...so nature

gives us all available choices...we can give him some money to buy

food...we can help him get work so that he is not hungry again....we

can give a lecture to him to work and find food....we can chide him

and go on our way....we can just ignore him and continue on our

course...we can slap him for disturbing us.

 

So the choices are presented by Mother Nature...but for

selection...she does not force us to take a particular choice...and

lets us make our own decision. This is the only free will that we

have...and such small-small decisions decide if we are fit for next

step on the evolution...or fit to go downwards..or need some more lessons.

 

Hence we are not free for selecting the group of suggestions for a

particular issue...this is decided and put forth by Mother Nature.

But we are free to select one of the possible action and act on

it...and we have a full free will for that.

 

Mother Nature has evolved diferent sets of mind to react differently

in a given situation...and our little choice...our little

reaction..which is free of any factor...decides our future

 

with love

 

baba

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Yes, this question has certainly been discussed repeatedly, which

indicates that some of us (including myself) are not quite sure of

the answer yet.

 

At one point one of my Guru's had been asking me to take care of my

health, and take certain actions. frustrated with this question of

freewill vs destiny, I said to him, "If everything is destiny then

what if I don't do anything?" His answer was interesting.

 

He said, as per your consciousness right now, there are certain

things you will do, whether you like it or not. Your current

inclinations are based on the awareness gathered from the past (aka

karmic progress). Unknown to you, the arrival of a Guru,

the "chance", the "coincidences", the guidance via any available

instrument, all are part of the drama already laid out by the

Universal Intelligence, in accordance to your karma. All you have to

do is follow your inclination."

 

Thus if a person appears to be stuck in a certain pattern of actions

(behavior), untill they have learnt to break out of it, that is

where they will stay. This "learning" is experiential, not

inellecatual and comes out of a sum total of ones thoughts, feelings

and actions.

 

As in any interaction there is two sides .. the giver and the

receiver. In your example of the hungry man and one's choices

towards to him, a person will be "inclined" to help, if that is

where they have reached in their spiritual evolution. On the

receiver's side, the hungry man's inclination will also determine

whether he gets food and in what manner. If he is in a state of

resentful and/or fearful thinking that "everyone is bad; no one

helps me, I am poor, I can never get out of this," etc etc he may

not get the food he is looking for, and in fact may mirror back the

same disrespect he has for his own self. If he is set karmically to

learn the lesson of humility, because of past arrogance he is likely

to meet different kind of givers, perhaps more insulting and

demeaning. Depending on what he has to learn, he will be set up to

for that kind of an interaction.

 

And yes, nothing is linear in this amazing multidimentional world.

We attempt to process such concepts through our limited perception

and understanding capabilities, which make it even more confusing.

 

_/\_ Tat Twam asi

 

Uma

 

 

, "Baba ji" <beirut_ka_baba>

wrote:

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>> Though this is true that the destiny of each human is

enlightenment

> and Mother Nature is rigorously working on it...yet the path she

takes

> for this evolution is not linear or in a straight line.

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