Mera Bharat Mahaan !! Can we change destinty? - - -

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Dear prakki,

 

You have misunderstood the statements made by me.

 

I said meditation ends with samadhi,the meditation

starts with watching the mind movements. The focus

changes automatically from mind centre towards

upward.I also said mind is the centre of control.

Unless you enter into meditation I dont think its

possible to explain.

 

I dont have daubt that we are already the "god",only

the "maya" is covering on us.This has to acertained by

way of attaining samadhi. Unless it is confirmed

ourself no point of claiming it either by me or

anybody.Offcourse if you say about the god in form of

various devine bodies and you stick to those gods

only, then your point is valid for you.I dont support

"sakara ""saguna"is the truth & the ultimate.

 

Whichever is born is going to die.It may be material

thing or the devine creature.The reality is god is

"omnipresent""omnopotent and basically "nirakara"

having no specific figure or shape.Evrything in the

world come out from it.This is the understanding of

the supreme god for me.

 

I respect the indivisual authority to choose own path

of interests,so its not for you to get convinced.

 

Bhakti is generated truely in meditation only when the

devine body of your sadguru guides you and is

available always with you.

 

Alternatively the true bhakti turns into deep

meditation when you watch your mind and you find

nothing else that your loved one gods or sadguru.

 

The words are inadaquate to elaborate the process but

there is no difference in ways even if they seemed to

be defferent by face.

 

Whatever you do in the world or whichever path you

follow in spirituality, you have to let yourself

inside your within at any cost or you will be missing

the truth.

 

Regards,

 

Udaykumar S.K.

--- prakki surya <dattapr2000 wrote:

 

> dear friend

>

> as per your statement, true meditation is watching

> the mind movements.

>

> It means you are observing your mind, then where

> is the devotion coming into the picture. infact, in

> your meditation, there is no God nor divine

> knowledge or nor devotion or nor service, but you

> are becoming directly God.

>

> It means without any divine knowledge and

> devotion, you are becoming God. Are you not finding

> this as climax of absurdity?

>

> Devotion means love on Lord and service is the

> proof of our devotion.

> Without touching the concept of God you are

> becoming God. I don't agree to this.

>

>

> at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

> surya

> www.universal-spirituality.org

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Dear om agni devi,

 

The statements are observations by me.So i put them of

behalf of self to others.

 

Also there are number of ways,paths etc like

raja,bhakti etc but they go all at one place only.

Even lord krishna said in gita that

"sarva dev namaskarat keshavam prati gachchati" like

all rivers go to the sea, same like that "salute

(namaskara) to all gods reach to keshava" lord krishna

name only.

 

The supreme god is one and one and there is no daubt

about it.He is found in saguna state in various forms

which we call as gods,If somebody likes to love one of

these forms what is bad in that.

 

By the grace of the supreme god me to have a sadguru

who has taught me lot.he is nothing but a mother for

me.Yet he is the one who will guide me to extract me

from "maya."

 

Udaykumar S.K

--- om_agni_devi <no_reply> wrote:

 

> Hi Udaykumar,

>

> Its great that you explained in detail what happens

> during meditation.

> Thanks. It is something I would like to have done

> but thought it would

> have been useless. It is not useless for we are not

> trying to

> persuade anyone into anything.

>

> Bhakti yoga is also a way of entering the spiritual

> regions and making

> the mind more subtle. However it is generally

> accepted that bhakti

> yoga can be more effective when combined with Raja

> Yoga. That is the

> meaning of Sadhana to develope all aspects of our

> being, emotional,

> mental and energetical in order to function in our

> natural perfect

> state. That is what is nirvana or moksha. The state

> for which human

> has been actually "designed" for, the great hidden

> potential we have.

> Vivekananda also used the metaphore of the bird to

> show the importance

> of yogas. He advised yogis to be like a bird, have

> Bhakti Yoga as one

> wing, Jnana Yoga as the other wing, and Raja Yoga as

> the guiding

> tailfeathers.

>

> When it comes to Sadguru, the term has been widely

> misunderstood. I do

> not give respect to those who demand it for usually

> they are just into

> power and controlling the masses through

> brainwashing. There are true

> Sadgurus out there who might even have no followers

> but can help

> someone spiritually. These are very rare people and

> one is lucky to

> meet such ones. I personally have a guru, to whom I

> owe much due to

> the initiation and inspiration I received. I see my

> guru more as a

> normal teacher though and not as a God. Even if she

> has attained a

> state of communion with the divine source, I

> consider it a blasphemy

> to utter such a thing. To judge whether one has

> attained moksha or

> not, one should have achieved the state of nirguna

> samadhi onesself.

> So judging the spiritual state of someone is like

> claiming divinity.

> Apart from recognising the obvious frauds of course.

> There are

> numerous ones in the spiritual market.

>

> Real gurus do not support fanatism and do not demand

> that their

> students become their slaves in mind, spirit and

> heart. True gurus

> help their disciples discover their own potential

> and reach the same

> level as them. They free their students rather than

> enslaving them.

>

> Finally, a guru can be anything. Mother nature can

> come and teach us

> in marvelous ways. Friends, internet, tv can be our

> guru for a moment.

> Our own karma, thoughts and emotions can be our

> guru. Its high time we

> saw things with an open mind and enjoy the great

> possibilities of this

> universe without been fanatised in a specific system

> and guru.

>

>

> , "udaykumar S.K."

> <udaykumar001>

> wrote:

> >

> > Prakki I totally disagree the statements by

> swamiji as

> > for as true meditation is concerned.

> >

> > Meditation ends with samadhi which is the deepest

> > level of meditation where the "ego" is vanished

> and

> > sheer self existance is left which also goes away

> and

> > a soul is disbursered into universal existance

> which

> > we call as god.(the supreme power)

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Good example of how we have to use ego-centered tools (here

attachment) to break out of the ego!

 

_/\_ Tat twam asi

 

Uma

 

 

, "udaykumar S.K." <udaykumar001>

wrote:

>

> Dear om agni devi,

>

 

>

> By the grace of the supreme god me to have a sadguru

> who has taught me lot.he is nothing but a mother for

> me.Yet he is the one who will guide me to extract me

> from "maya."

>

> Udaykumar S.K

 

>

[Guest guest]

Dear,

 

you comment is not clear for me.

 

Please explain,

 

 

--- Tatwamasi <tatwamasi wrote:

 

>

> Good example of how we have to use ego-centered

>