Todays Bhagavad Gita Class 2.4-5 Given By His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada--73/08/05 London Try to Listen

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"When To Reject Guru"

73/08/05 London, Bhagavad-gita 2.4-5

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Pradyumna (leads chanting, etc.):

 

arjuna uvaca

katham bhismam aham sankhye

dronam ca madhusudana

isubhih pratiyotsyami

pujarhav ari-sudana

[bg. 2.4]

 

gurun ahatva hi mahanubhavan

sreyo bhoktum bhaiksyam apiha loke

hatvartha-kamams tu gurun ihaiva

bhunjiya bhogan rudhira-pradigdhan

[bg. 2.5]

 

Translation: "Arjuna said: O killer of Madhu (Krsna), how can I

counterattack with arrows in battle men like Bhisma and Drona, who are worthy of

my worship? It is better to live in this world by begging than to live at the

cost of the lives of great souls who are my teachers. Even though they are

avaricious, they are nonetheless superiors. If they are killed, our spoils will

be tainted with blood."

 

Prabhupada: So the first problem was for Arjuna how to kill the kinsmen,

family men. Now, when he was chastised by Krsna as a friend that "Why you are so

weak? Don't be weak. This is sentiment. This kind of compassion is sentiment.

Uttistha. You better get up and fight." If I do not want to do something, I can

offer so many pleas. You see. So next he is presenting gurun: "All right, Krsna,

you are talking about my kinsmen. I accept that it is my weakness. But how do

You advise me to kill my guru? Dronacarya is my guru. And Bhismadeva is also my

guru. So do you want me to kill my guru? Gurun hi hatva. And not only ordinary

guru. This is not that they are ordinary men. Mahanubhavan. Bhisma is a great

devotee, and similarly, Dronacarya also, a great personality. Mahanubhavan. So

katham bhismam aham sankhye dronam ca madhusudana. "They are two great

personalities. They are not only my gurus, but they are great personalities."

And Krsna is addressed "Madhusudana." Madhusudana means... Madhu was Krsna's

enemy, a demon. So He killed. So "You are Madhusudana, You are killer of Your

enemies. Can You give me any evidence that You have killed Your guru? So why You

are asking me?" This is the purport. Isubhih pratiyotsyami pujarhav ari-sudana.

Again Ari-sudana. Ari means enemy. Madhusudana, particularly "the killer of the

Madhu demon." And next is Arisudana. Ari means enemy. So Krsna has killed so

many demons, ari, who came to fight with Him as enemy. Therefore His name is

Arisudana.

 

So Krsna has got enemies also, what to speak of ourself. This material

world is so made, that you must have some enemies. Matsarata. Matsarata means

enviousness, jealousy. This material world is like that. So there are jealous

enemies of God also. They are called demons. Ordinary jealousy or enemy, that is

natural. But even to God. Just like yesterday night, evening, somebody came to

see me. He was arguing that "Why Krsna should be accepted as God?" That was his

argument. So Krsna has enemies. Therefore Krsna... Not only He, but everyone who

is in the material world is enemy of Krsna. Everyone. Because they want to be

competitor of Krsna. Krsna says that bhoktaram: "I am the supreme enjoyer."

Sarva-loka-mahesvaram: [bg. 5.29] "I am the Supreme proprietor." And the Vedas

also confirm, isavasyam idam sarvam [iso mantra 1]. "Everything is the property

of the Supreme Lord." Sarvam khalv idam brahma. These are Vedic injunctions.

Yato va imani bhutani jayante: "From whom everything has come." Janmady asya

yatah [sB 1.1.1]. These are Vedic versions. But still, we, because we are

enemies, "No, why Krsna shall be the proprietor? I am the proprietor. Why Krsna

shall be God only. I have got another God. Here is another God."

 

So Krsna has enemies. Arisudana. And He has to kill them. Krsna has got

two businesses: paritranaya sadhunam vinasaya ca duskrtam [bg. 4.8].

Miscreants... They are miscreants. The demons who challenge Krsna, who want to

compete with Krsna, who want to share with the property of Krsna, they are all

enemies of Krsna, and they should be killed. So killing business is all right

here for the enemies, not ordinarily. Then the next question is, "All right,

enemies, you can kill, admitted But how you advise me to kill my gurus? Gurun

ahatva. But if for Krsna's sake, if there is need, you have to kill your guru

also. That is the philosophy. For Krsna's sake. If Krsna wants, then you

cannot... If Krsna wants that you should kill your guru, then you have to do it.

That is Krsna consciousness. Of course, Krsna will not ask you to kill guru,

but... Because guru and Krsna are the same. Guru-krsna-krpaya. We get Krsna

consciousness through the mercy of guru and Krsna. So real guru is never to be

killed, but the so-called guru has to be killed. The so-called, pseudo guru,

false guru, he should be killed. Just like Prahlada Maharaja. While Prahlada

Maharaja... He was standing. Here is, Nrsimhadeva is killing his father. Father

is guru. Sarva-devamayo guruh. Similarly, father is also guru, at least,

official guru. Materially he is guru. So how Prahlada Maharaja allowed

Nrsimhadeva to kill his guru? He's father. Everyone knows that Hiranyakasipu is

father. Would you like to see that your father is being killed by some person

and you'll stand? You will not protest? Is that your duty? No, that is not your

duty. When your father is attacked, you must protest. At least, if you are

unable, you must fight. You first of all lay down your life: "How is that, my

father is being killed in my front?" That is our duty. But Prahlada Maharaja did

not protest. He could have requested -- he is devotee -- "My dear sir, Prabhu,

my Lord, You can excuse my father." He didn't. But he knew that "My father is

not being killed. It is the body of the father." Later on he begged for his

father in a different way. First of all, when Nrsimhadeva was angry, He was

killing the body, he knew that "The body is not my father. The soul is my

father. So let the Lord satisfy Himself by killing the body of my father; then I

shall save him."

 

So Prahlada Maharaja... Nrsimhadeva offered Prahlada Maharaja, "Now you

can take any kind of benediction you like." So Prahlada Maharaja replied, "My

Lord, we are materialists. I am born of a father absolutely materialist. That's

all right. Thank you. (end)

 

I have Left out the rest of this lecture Because you can go to

http://www.prabhupadavani.org/Gita/web/text/036.html

 

To Read the Rest! I strongly Advise you to Listen To Srila Prabhupada by

Pressing ( listen ) at the start of this Class,As Hearing From a Bonified

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