Guest guest Posted October 2, 2005 Report Share Posted October 2, 2005 , "Tatwamasi" <tatwamasi> wrote: This is a question of seeing the glass half full or half empty. Why do we forget, that rich and poor happy and sad, kind and cruel....both positive and negative are part of the universe. There is no place in the universe where only Positive reigns. If we remove, rich...poor will vanish... if we remove sadness happiness too will go. The imbalance of gunas is the casue of manifestation of this Universe. Another question...a poor is poor because of his bad deeds in this birth or last birth. Our Hinduism says we reap what we sow. Hence if there are people sad and in distress...they should be reaping their own karma. Now if we try to help them...would it not amount to interefering in the works of Nature, who wishes to keep them in distress. Is charity not a sort of pampering our own Ego?? When we see a begger or a person in pains, do we not feel ourselves having upper hand ? NOw as a human being, we are supposed to be kind and helping...so the situation is a Catch 22. If we help the needy we are interferring into the work of Nature, and if we do not, we become a sinner in our own eyes and in the eyes of the society. so what is the way out?? love baba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 , "Baba ji" <beirut_ka_baba> wrote: > This is a question of seeing the glass half full or half empty. > > Why do we forget, that rich and poor happy and sad, kind and > cruel....both positive and negative are part of the universe. > > Namaste, you try , by this questions....find a way out of your Karma... Karma let people have endless plans and projects and theories about life....and Karma let them stay being in the identification of an ego- mind so ....as long as there is still Karma... means...as long as the identification with body-mind-intellect confuse the mind..... what's your real identity?.... maybe if you find an answer to this question......then you will know....."who" will help "whom" in need........ .....you "think" maybe that you have the choice....that "you" can choose an "attitude".... but you can't escape your Self...and your heart.....which let you "seek" the right attitude....until you find inner peace....with It but if you want a "real" answer to your question.... maybe only "God" can give you....and let you have the right attitude you can "see God"...wherever your heart is looking at.... Regards and love Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Dear all I have been reading Ramakrishna kathamrita these days here Ramakrishna warns against too much philanthropy as a powerful ego booster he says that charity / material help to others should be given when absolutly nessesary otherwise not. Did Ramakrishna help Vivekananda economically ( he could have through some of his richer diciples) .... No he did not... he told Vivekananda to ask godess kali for money if he so wished. Knowing fully well Vivekananda will fail to do so.And so it happened. He helped spiritually and not materially. If a person is spiritually fortified/strengthed then he can withstand any material hardship and not be overwhelmed by it. comming to the question "so what is the way out??" 1.If we want to and help the needy/distressed what if we think it is the lord who is actually helping him through me and "i am not the doer" Thus preventing ego from arising. 2.If we do not help well it is in gods scheme of things for him/her to suffer He/she is working out his/her negative karma so thus actually progressing towards better times. So why feel sad/sorry Trying not to interfier with nature is propably the better option. Do we not create further imbalance of gunas by our interference with nature ? atleast we create a lot of karma for ourselfs. br Aditya Baba ji <beirut_ka_baba wrote: , "Tatwamasi" <tatwamasi> wrote: This is a question of seeing the glass half full or half empty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2005 Report Share Posted October 15, 2005 dear friends Karma yoga or Service is to be done to Lord in human form, which consists of donating money (karma phala tyaga) and physically participating in His divine knowledge propagation (karma sanyasa). Karma sanyasa does not mean leaving the karmas, but leaving the selfish karmas and serving the lord in human form by physical service without aspiring anything in return. last time also, you are confused with worldly love and devotion on Lord. Every human being is not lord and so service to human being is not service to lord. all these words devotion, karma phala tyaga, karma sanyasa ....are in reference to human form of Lord only but not to human beings. A poor man is suffering and poverty is the punishment given for the previous sin committed by the soul. If such a poor person is helped, it amounts to interference in the administration of God. The punishment is given for a change and you need not sympathise it. The parental love of the Lord is greater than your brotherly love. Only the grace of God can end the punishment forever. Therefore you preach divine knowledge and devotion and then assist that poor person. The divine knowledge and devotion will bring a change in him and you have served the purpose of the punishment. Then God is pleased with you and also will show grace on that poor person. The poverty will vanish forever. Therefore social service must be integrated with spiritual mission. Sankara told the same (Loka sevaka matha khandanam) and Mother Theresa did the same. Mere social service is like a simple boarding and lodging given to the hostel students without the primary teaching in the classes. Therefore, the aim of terrorism gives only temporary and apparent relief whereas the spiritual mission based social work is a permanent solution. The discoveries of scientists without any spiritual basis, which were expected to serve the society, have harmed the society. If one reads, the latest environmental science, it becomes clear. Corruption is grabbing the wealth of others for the sake of comforts of one’s own body and one’s own family. The body is like a seat in the train and you are the soul like the passenger. The family members are like just benchmates in the same train. For the comfort of yourself and of your benchmates, you are troubling the other passengers in the train and this is corruption. Life is just a matter of one-hour train journey. Your benchmates will get down at their respective destinations and will not remember you. You have to leave your seat also. After the death, you have to leave the family members who do not recognise you in the next birth. After getting down from the train, you have to face the interview with God, which leads you to permanent happiness or misery. Therefore, you must concentrate on the preparation of interview even during journey and not on the comforts of your seat and benchmates. The bonds with benchmates are temporary and unreal. Sankara says that whatever is temporary must be unreal. The bond, which did not exist before and will not exist in future, does not exist in the present time also. Such spiritual realisation can only give a permanent control of corruption. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org "roopika_devi" <roopika_devi "Tatwamasi" <tatwamasi True to some extent but if you follow the path of Karma Yoga ,one is not really pampering the "ego" , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 prakki surya wrote: "A poor man is suffering and poverty is the punishment given for the previous sin committed by the soul. If such a poor person is helped, it amounts to interference in the administration of God. The punishment is given for a change and you need not sympathies it. " I think Lord's Lila is misunderstood here. It is a two prong operation, like "killing two birds with one stone". While the poor man is suffering due to his past Karmas, thus abating the effects thereof, the all wise Lord is offering an opportunity to those who are in a position to help others, to show compassion and help minimize the suffering of those in need, thus creating their own good Karmas. This is how I understand it. radhakutir ****************************************************************************** Know the Lord to be the only real thing in the midst of things unreal. Remember God.Take His name always. Meditate upon Him. Feel His presence everywhere. Surrender yourself to Him. He will bless you with peace, bliss, plenty, prosperity and immortality. ----Swami Sivananda ******************************************************************************** Please visit our website on Vedanta: http://www.geocities.com/radhakutir and also http://www.geocities.com/vedicfoundation ******************************************************************************** - "prakki surya" <dattapr2000 <> Saturday, October 15, 2005 6:22 PM Re: Re: Mera Bharat Mahaan !! Can we change destiny? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Dear all, I got this much message only and my comments are as follows, 1. First thing is as per the law of "karma" the poor man is suffering poverty becoz of his own "deeds" in his past life. I agree with this. 2.Now if anybody helps him by any means, its mercy of the person who is helping him,which may give good results for the helping person in this life or future life.It again greatly depends on the helping person is which intension he is helping (sakam or nishkam?).Even this turns true when doing bhakti (with material intensions or spiritual?) 3.Now lets see the nature of god in the view of nirguna status ==it is "nirguna(threre are no three gunas,(satva,raja,tama),nirakara(no any particular shape or figure),NIrvikalpa (without any desire,choice,wish etc) then how one can say the god is administering or it is intereference?The supreme power is beyond doings and undoings. 4.Now if we come down a step below from nirguna to saguna,if we say god in saguna status ==god has been appearing in three main gods "brahma,vishnu and shiva "satva raja tama gunas" All the three gods handle creating,maintening and disposing activities of nature.and offer results in terms of lifespan of indivisual with respect to their own "karmas" again. This simplifies that if we do good karmas we get good furture life and for bad karmas bad life.So its very clear that these supreme level gods has offered freedom to indivisual to choose there own karmas to plan there future life. So intereference in the administration is out of question. 5.Again Having a particular life is indivisual choice.One may choose godly or devil or simple human life and enjoy or suffer with it.If somebody helps other person means the helping person gets upliftment in his life may be because of improvement in his satvaguna which is closest to spiritual progress or just coz of human social qualities. i support,one has to help other,which is definately a human quality irrespective to think about interference of godly controles or future life. udaykumar s.k. --- radhakutir <radhaktr wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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