Guest guest Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Q) What is the authority for any concept in the spiritual field? A) Veda is the only authority which was spoken by the Lord and which was protected by recitation without any pollution. Vyasa decided like this in his third Brahma Sutra “Sastra Yonitvaat”. Sastra means Veda, which was spoken by the ruler (Sasaka). Gita also says that Sastra is the authority. It is said that Gita is the essence of Vedas. The cane sugar juice is in the sugar cane. But sugarcane is not in the cane sugar juice. Similarly the meaning of Gita-Verse must be found in Veda. All the Veda may not be found in Gita. Therefore if the meaning of a verse in Gita is not traced in Veda, Lord Krishna did not speak such a verse. Such a verse must have been penetrated later on. Therefore only Veda can stand as the authority. Any Sanskrit verse from any book (Smruthi) should not oppose Veda. The point, which is not told in Veda, cannot be accepted even if Smruthi (Sruthi Smruthi Virodhetu) presents it. The logic, which should not contradict Veda, can be only accepted as told by Sankara (Sruthi Matah Tarkah). The experience, which should not contradict Veda, can only be accepted because the experience of a foolish man cannot be accepted. Therefore Smruthi, logic and experience that follow Veda, are only accepted. Veda is the constitution. A lawyer has to refer to the constitution through out his argument in the court. Only two lawyers are allowed to argue in the court. Similarly only two scholars of Vedas and Sastras can argue on a concept. A layman can be easily preached. A Vedic scholar can also be easily preached. But even Lord Brahma (Brahmaapi Na Ranjayati) can never convince who has little knowledge. A layman should employ an advocate on his behalf in the court. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya Tatwamasi <tatwamasi wrote: All texts talk about a variety of paths for spiritual growth. All roads lead to the same goal, sublimation of the "i" -ego- self, to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 , prakki surya <dattapr2000> wrote: > Q) What is the authority for any concept in the spiritual field? > A) Veda is the only authority which was spoken by the Lord and , Similarly only two scholars of Vedas and Sastras can argue on a concept. hmmmm! can you tell me Christ, Kabir, Buddha, guru Nanak, Mahavir, Bulle shah, Sant Surdas, Paramhansa Ramakrishna....and dozen others had the knowledge of Vedas. Biggest scholars of Shastra came to learn from them ! This is the point we are missing, accepted that the we have divine knowledge in our scriptures, yet they are not the only source. Parroting the Shastra and reciting them and winning the discussion is not real spirituality. Real Spirituality is DIRECT EXPERIENCE OF THE TRUTH. If knowledge alone was sufficient, then the hard disc of servers will get Moksha first...because it has all the vedas, scriptures and all knowledge about all religions in it. Direct Experience is not a result of reading scriptures, or sitting in the lap of a guru or doing Yajana or going to temples. Yes i accept these help in reaching an understanding before the big leap towards the Truth. BUT the big leap happens even without any knowledge or any guru or without any shastra. In fact those who became pundits of the shastra, remained unknown and history forgot them. The greater people who changed the history (like christ, nanak, kabir budha etc), took the direct leap forward themselves.We can say that they studied shastra etc in last birth...but who knows ! Existence has 3 main stages => Known => Unknown => Unknowable The known about Existence is what our religion tells us, the unknown is the subject of Science, anything which is not known to us science will make sure to study it, and make it Known to us. The unknowable is quite different from the known and the unknown. What was unknown would become known one day. BUT the unknowable will never become Known or unknown. It will always remain "Unknowable" This the Unknowable is the real Existence and it has be experienced....not learnt...not read...not heard. The known also denotes BODY, the Unknown denotes the MIND and unknowable is the SOUL. With body and its organs we know....the mind goes beyond the unknown thinks about it and tries to grasp and bring it into the Known world. The Soul is the Unknowable...which can not be grasped by mind. with Love and blessings. baba PS No one is trying to contradict anyone...let us take as a healthy sharing of ideas and learn something from it. The SYSTEM has brought us together here on this dias of discussion to learn something....to be learnt by all of us...so let us not miss the opportunity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Namaste all. _/\_ I recall the wise instructions of Jagadguru Sri Kripaluji Maharaj to his devotees in this regard. When we go to any public mall or market we come across various shops. The stores are selling shoes, food delicacies, clothing apparel, musical and electronic gadgets, home furnishings, books, diamond jewelery and so on. Every item has its own value and price. Whoever in need of a particular item peacefully shops at the respective shop but never pays unnecessary visit to other stores nor wastes his or her precious time. The customer does not pick a quarrel with the rest of the shop-keepers who are in the business of selling things other than what is interesting to this consumer. If the customer condemns or abuses other merchants in the market we understand it to be improper behavior. Similarly various kinds of philosophies and sadhanas exist for the sake of different seekers according to their spiritual evolution. The devotee interested in enjoying sweet delicacy of 'Rasa gullah' will not pay a visit to a shoe-store and find fault with the manager there saying, " When I am having an intense desire to taste the nectar of Rasagullah, what is the point of keeping a store here selling shoes to me?" This is simply ridiculous. These other shops do exist to serve other needs and interests of many customers. The stores are there with a purpose to serve a variety of tastes. But to different classes of customers in need altogether. So a sincere seeker who has been well informed and attracted to selfless Divine Love, pure Bhakti Yoga and who has developed intense greed to obtain the 'Vraja Madhurya Rasa' and 'Krishna Prema' in this life itself, should approach the 'Rasik Saint' with faith and surrender. There is no need to waste our precious human life in arguements and the limited valuable time in other trivial pursuits. Jaya Sri Radhey -------------------- guruH kRpAlur mama zaraNaM vande'haM sadguru caraNaM gopIprema bhAva bharaNam vande'haM sadgurucaraNaM -------------------- , "Tatwamasi" <tatwamasi> wrote: > All texts talk about a variety of paths for spiritual growth. All > roads lead to the same goal, sublimation of the "i" -ego- self, to > the "I" or the Brahman. However one thing has baffled me for a long > time and I wish sadhaks would discuss it sincerely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 Namaste _/\_ ! A few nectarine words of wisdom from the lotus-mouth of the Rasik Saint: 1. dvesha karne vaale vyakti ke prati bhi dvesha na kare! udaaseen rahe! * Do not bear ill-will toward even those who bear ill-will toward you. Remain neutral and undisturbed. 2. aaj koyi naastik bhi hai to kal uccha saadhak bana saktaa hai. atah saadhak yah na soche ki iskaa patana to sadaa ko ho chukaa. suradasa aadi sant udaaharan hai. * Saints like Suradas, Tulasidas are proof that if someone is an atheist or sinner today, he can become a great devotee tomorrow. Therefore, a true aspirant should not think such a faithless person to be a sinner or fallen forever. 3. guru ki seva karnevaalaa to saadhak hi hai, uske priya hone ke kaaran usase dvesh karnaa paapa hai. * One who serves the Guru with dedication is a true seeker. Since he or she has become the recepient of Divine Grace, he or she is dear to the Guru. Bearing ill-will towards such a seeker is a serious offense. 4. suchmuch bhi koyi aparaadhi ho to bhi mana se usake bhoota poorva aparaadhom ko na socho, na bolo. * Even if someone has committed sins or spiritual transgressions in the past, a true aspirant should not think or speak of the misdeeds. 5. sansaar me bhagavatpraapti ke poorva sabhi aparaadhi hain. bade bade saadhakom ka bhi patana yevam bade bade paapiyom ka bhi utthaana yeka kshana me ho saktaa hai. * Prior to God-realization, everyone in the world is a sinner and impure. Be aware, it only takes a moment for an advanced devotee to fall and for a great sinner to rise. 6. saba me Sri Krishna ka nivaasa hai, atah unako hee mahasoos kare * Try to realize the Omnipresent Lord, Sri Krishna is dwelling within everyone and perceive Him alone every where at all times. - Jagadguru Sri Kripaluji Maharaj -------------------- guruH kRpAlur mama zaraNaM vande'haM sadguru caraNaM gopIprema bhAva bharaNam vande'haM sadgurucaraNaM , "Tatwamasi" <tatwamasi> wrote: > What gives them the right to look down on other paths? Does it make > them feel better? > > _/\_ Tat twam asi > > Uma > > , prakki surya <dattapr2000> > wrote: > > dear friends Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 I can claim any belief. My belief does not necessarily please the Lord. Whatever was preached by Lord is important. That has to be followed. Because finally He is only going to bless us not belief. For getting His blessing, we should follow the path preached by Him. Ex: If water is there in a beaker. I have a very strong belief that it is cold water. I put my finger and found it hot. Here, 'Water is cold' is only my belief and need be true also. What is the truth here is that water is hot, which is opposite to my belief. Truth is important not the belief. Truth is the one preached by Lord. True belief is the right one, which will be in line with the preaching of Lord. Will any father please with his son if his son does not follow any of his words? Likewise Lord comes down to preach the divine knowledge and uplift the people. If we do not listen to him nor follow His words, will He be pleased with us? Lord is father of all the individual souls. ...Aham Bija pradah...' Lord Krishna preached Bhagavat Gita when Arjuna craved at His feet for the divine knowledge. Do you think expression of love in words and feelings by mind pleases Lord Krishna? If that would have been the case, why did He preach Gita consisting of 18 chapters? Through out Gita, lord stressed on Nishkama Karma Yoga. Nishkama means worshipping Lord without any desire. Karma Yoga as stressed in Gita means Service. Service consists of Karma Phala Tyaga (donating money for Lord's mission) and Karma Sanyasa (physically participating in His mission). Gita says 'Karma Yogena Yoginaam........' His mission is to uplift all the human beings by preaching the divine knowledge. Hence for the divine knowledge propagation He comes down in human form. We have to identify such Lord in human form by His divine knowledge (not by miracles because some demons also have shown miracles but sofar nobody has preached divine knowledge other than Lord in human form) and Serve Him here itself for getting Liberation. We have to identify the true path and travel in that direction even a few steps, instead of running miles and miles away from the goal (which is nothing but pleasing the Lord). Until and unless true meaning of Gita is enquired and practiced in their own life, the author of Gita, Lord Krishna will never be pleased. Teacher's Job ends after the preaching. It is left to devotee's discretion to follow it or not. Lord is also not bothered whether we follow or not? Rest is upto you..... at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya pyari_h <no_reply> wrote:Namaste all. _/\_ shop-keepers who are in the business of selling things other than what is interesting to this consumer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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