Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Sadhna is to know our True self. And our mind, which is a transit phaze of the Pragya, which still has to manifest in us, is presently a hinderance in our path. Mind thinks with logics, and logics can not take us to our real self. It is the heart (Here heart does not mean the pumping station - it is the left part of the brain which thinks in emotional terms and is away from logics), which is nearer to the soul not the mind Mind will become No-mind, where Truth dawns on us. Common man is a logical person and thinks logically, whereas woman is heart oriented and thinks from heart. That z the reason why mostly educated egoist males (and those female who are more like men), love the philosophy of Aham Brahmasmi. This nourishes their ego that Yes they are Brahms. These type of people hate bhakti and bhaktas, because that heart part in them is almost dead. A woman knows how to Love, man does not. Man knows attacking, snatching & dominating. And when a male progresses on the path of sadhna he acquires more and more qualities of a woman, the main of them LOVE. Hence we can use this Love as a measurement of our Sadhna. If we see that we are becoming more loving to others, that is a sure sign of progress in Sadhna. Hatered and sadhna are never together. BABA Beirut(Lebanon) Lower souls (read "egos") are not those, who are poor or who are uneducated or hungry. lower people are those who do not aspire for the Truth. They are failures of the God. But Mother Nature love these lower entities, because they are fulfilling her purpose of ignorance. So She loves them, multiplies them and give them all sorts of comforts so that her realm of ignorance survives. We are not among those commen herd. Because God has recognised us, accepted us and has started guiding us. Let us on our part not fail his mission ! AMEN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 You are very badly in need of help....sooner you get it the better.........No I am not showing my anger here...I am worried about you....... beirut_ka_baba <no_reply> wrote:, blueblackeyes <no_reply> wrote: Dear co-sadhakas, I think i am successful in creating a storm in your minds...a storm is very necessary as it will take away long settled dust in our minds. And the angry reaction from some of you, showed how much dirt is there. Someone abused me judged me and passed filthy remarks. That showed where he/she has reached in sadhna, and how much capable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 That is the reason why someone here once commented that Upanishads used to be "secret", because it can be "dangerous"! In the hands of ego centered human beings, ignorant use of "Aham Brahmasmi" or "Shivoham" is disastrous. Gyana yoga helps expand knowledge, Bhakti yoga helps tame the ego and stay humble, Karma yoga helps "walk the talk", and Raja Yoga helps directly experiencing the Ultimate. So Gyana without Bhakti may become self- serving, Bhakti without Gyana becomes fanatical, and either one without Karma is empty words and of course all paths lead to the Royal path .. the one of directly experiencing the Ultimate. In today's infomatiom age, where such "secrecy" rules are not entirely being followed, the responsibilty turns to the sadhak themselves. Our motivation determines what fruit we ultimately reap. _/\_ Tat twam asi Uma , beirut_ka_baba <no_reply> wrote: > That z the reason why mostly educated egoist males (and those > female who are more like men), love the philosophy of Aham > Brahmasmi. This nourishes their ego that Yes they are Brahms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 I think that there is no lower and upper entities The concept of soul is undeciphered knowledge plays a vital role in the pranava kubam(mind) Heart the outdated concept ppl living in the basic kosha dont want to come up Atleast should have a vision to other koshas namasivayam --- beirut_ka_baba <no_reply> wrote: > Sadhna is to know our True self. And our mind, > which is a transit > phaze of the Pragya, which still has to manifest in > us, is presently > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 kalaas a funny mathematics namasivayam --- beirut_ka_baba <no_reply> wrote: > , blueblackeyes > <no_reply> wrote: > > Dear co-sadhakas, > > I think i am successful in creating a storm in > your minds...a > storm is very necessary as it will take away long > settled dust in our > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Dear Tatwamasi Bhakti is very important and independent from Karma and Gayan....... The only Gayan required for Bhakti is Our relation is with God....So you can say that we get Bhakti from gayan and then gyan from Bhakti........it is never ending....There is ever presence of Ras in it....... The gayan which Shankracharya talks about.......Like "Tatwamasi "...."Aham Brahmasmi" also can not be achieved without Bhakti......Shankracharya HIMSELF admitted it......HE advised HIS mother to do Krishna Bhakti......and thats the reason we see Krishna in all HIS temples.... Gayan marg is destructive...it minuses ever thing till nothing remains.........while Bhakti adds ever thing but it ever thing for Krishna........and what remains is Krishna and you.....the interaction remains....... In Karam marg Bhakti is required....Karma can give you swarg and nothing more.....but after sometime in swarg you come back to earth to start all over again......But if your Karma is for Krishna....your Karama also becomes Bhakti. who_make_sense Tatwamasi <tatwamasi wrote: That is the reason why someone here once commented that Upanishads used to be "secret", because it can be "dangerous"! In the hands of ego centered human beings, ignorant use of "Aham Brahmasmi" or "Shivoham" is disastrous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Do you get tears.? outside its just a salty water.....Give it to expert and he will tell you that it is water, with 80% salt etc etc.so it tears.....But If you ask him if those tears are of joy , sadness,Virah etc etc and he wont be able to tell...... There are no new or outdated concepts in spiritual field.....Not believing is your choice.....But it dont effect truth......but you....People say world is illusion.....then why eat when hungry...even food and water is illusion.... You are trying to know spiritual subject with material mind.......with your own effort.....you are bound to fail........so many failed behind you,many will fail after you... You are asking form nirgun,nirakar..........HE is nirgun, aakarta........How can HE listen to you, HE has no ears, What can HE do for you HE is aakarta.......HE is spiritual in nature and you have material mind.....Keep trying...... One more thing I would like you to think upon........Your ID nama_sivam has bhakti in it.....Siva has a aakar........and Shiva is one of the best Bhakta of Krishna....when you see HIM with eyes closed.....HE is medatating on Krishna's leela.........HE went to Raas as a female..... Why nama ?, get HIM with your chakra shakti.......... who_make_sense nama siva <nama_sivam wrote: I think that there is no lower and upper entities The concept of soul is undeciphered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2005 Report Share Posted May 29, 2005 Triyash-charitram.... Purushasya Bhagyam... Devo Na janati... Kutaha Manushya !! There is no kalaa, no chakra, no heart, no angie , no yoga, no bhoga...only Nama_Sivam ---- There is a silence behind life as well as within it and it is only in this more secret, sustaining silence that we can hear clearly the voice of God. In the noise of the world we hear only altered and disturbed echoes of it; for the voice comes always-who else speaks to us on our journey? but the gods of the heart, the gods of the mind, the gods of desire, the gods of sense take up the divine cry, intercept it and alter it for their purposes. Krishna calls to us, but the first note, even the opening power of sweetness, awakes a very brouhaha of these echoes. It is not the faul of these poor gods. The accent of power is so desireable, the note of sweetness is so captivating that they must seize it, they would be dull and soul-less, there would be no hope of their redemption if they did not at once leap at it and make it their own. But in becoming their own, it ceases to be entirely his. How many who have the religious faith and the religious temperament, are following the impulses of their heart, the cravings of their desire, the urgency of their senses, the dictates of their opinion when they fully imagine that their God is leading them ! Novertheless, there is a higher way of meeting Him than that which leads us through subjection to the Gods. By Perfect Love, by perfect Joy, by perfect satisfaction, by perfected mind one can hear what the voice truly says, if the Voice itself, catch the kernel of the message with a soul of ecstatic perfection, even if afterwards the Gods dilate on it and by attempting to amplify and complete it, load it with false corollaries or prevent some greater fullness of truth from coming to us. Therefore this way also though it is high, cannot be highest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 , Totally useless <who_make_sense> wrote: > You are very badly in need of help....sooner you get it the better.........No I am not showing my anger here...I am worried about you....... --------------- Yes i need help, but i accept help from the most beautiful creation of god only, so if you are a female, i will accept your help. and please for god's sake dont worry for me!!! worry for yrself. I dont like to be a begger, asking for alms of Gyana from saints and masters. I have my pillow talks, and sweet nothings with God himself. And please do not mind my words. You gave your opinion and i gave mine where is the hurt ? I am no-body... not even a regular sadhaka. A beginner and a novice and here among so big Gyanis like Tatwamasi and Namasivam, i m really no-one. Baba Beirut wala PS Dear moderator, last time also you rebuked me for driving away your Hare Krishna lot, this time too you blamed me for nothing. But i am a shameless creature and will never run away from here you try your best !!! Had i not been shameless, how could i have loved Krishna so fiercely, shedding my robes myself and caressing Him violently ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 you have female in mind?............woman a doorway to hell.......someone here wrote that.......ok......Got it......you dont need help........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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