Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 this reminded me a story too once two disciples of a guru started Kali sadhna together. When the sadhna was over, Mother Kali appeared before them. One of them died on the spot after seeing the fearful mother, while the other though trembling and sweating, remained conscious. Mother Kali asked him to ask for any boon. The boy asked,' Mother first tell me why u were so cruel to my friend. We are both doing same japa, we are of same age and of same strength...then why this poor boy could not reap fruits of his sadhna and why i am getting a boon from you.' Mother Kali laughed and replied," Son dont think i am doing special favour to you and cruel to your friend. You have been doing my sadhna for 7 births and everytime when I appeared before you, you died of fear, you are now strong enough to face me. Your friend has only done my sadhna for 3 births...so he will die many times more before he also faces me and gets boon. Does this story not elaborate rituals and spirituality ? can we say spiritual is right and ritual is not ? hari aum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 It is very difficult to get rid off from the clutches of rituals.If there are 7 births , then ok . But it is believed 84 lakhs births to one has to under go. My view there is no rebirth. namasivayam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 yes i agree with u why we have all sorts of contradiction Because human being having the atom of mind / mind is universe/ universe itself contradictory namasivayam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 , nama siva <nama_sivam> wrote: > My view there is no rebirth. > > namasivayam Wow. so you are denying the very basic truth of Hinduism. Rebirth is a reality and Bhagwan Shri Krishna himself reconfirmed it in Gita. Anyhow, seems you are in a very begining phase of Meditation and your mis-concepts will soon vanish May god shower his light on you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 Thanks Baba. I never believe religion. As stated by you i am in the beginning phase Let me allow to be here namasivayam --- beirut_ka_baba <no_reply> wrote: > Wow. so you are denying the very basic truth of > Hinduism. Rebirth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 >, nama siva <nama_sivam> wrote: will you please tell us, how SPIRITUALITY denies re-birth. How can you explain with the help of (your) spirituality that we have a single birth only and all the journey towards truth starts and ends in this single birth. .... ..... with divine love to you Dear Angie do you also think religion is not a part of spirituality. Does religion, despite having so many faults/myths/contradiction is not a sub-set of spirituality ? And do you also deny re-birth...and u Tatwamasi what is your idea of re-birth (i think you too are more spiritualist and less religious- as your ID suggests) ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Dear Beirut_ka_baba > do you also think religion is not a part of spirituality. Does > religion, despite having so many faults/myths/contradiction is not a > sub-set of spirituality ? I dont like to be absolute and I believe spirituality can be found anywhere there is a slight intention of worshiping the divine. Religion is a way of worship and I believe it can be very spiritual and uplifting. There are temples and churches filled with the devotional vibrations of the people and are guarded by spiritual beings. Such an atmosphere surely helps the mind concentrate better and tune to higher frequencies. Its all part of the evolution. Even christianity has distinguished various saints that had visions and glimpses of truth through intense bhakti, prayer and worship. > And do you also deny re-birth...and u Tatwamasi what is your idea of > re-birth (i think you too are more spiritualist and less religious- > as your ID suggests) I believe firmly that there is re-birth. Not only is it the most logical and perfect explanation to so many riddles of life such as karma, injustice, war etc. But it is also something that one can verify fairly easily through the practice of OBE or astral travel. This is known in the yogic traditions as the second stage of savikalpa samadhi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Swan can divide milk and water no swan is available now to divide ritual and spiritual religion is based on the desire If one wants no birth it is desire Want mukthi? Want sayuchiyam? Moksha? or any thing u need is desire But in spirituality there is no desire no demand see wat is going on search urself act accordingly namasivayam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 my consciousness /aathma/soul/spirit denies rebirth namasivayam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 , nama siva <nama_sivam> wrote: > > my consciousness /aathma/soul/spirit > denies rebirth > namasivayam Yes Bramha (supreme consciousness) has no births or re-births. But using the word "My aathma/soul" confirms duality and it contradicts itself when we say "My atma denies rebirth". Do we have a body which has "My soul" or we are soul who have "My body" ?? As far as I know Brahm does not surf on the net in HIS absolute being !!! Hari Aum Excuse me dear but i am very much afraid of living Brahmas/Aham- Bramhasmis/Tatwamasi/Shivohams/ and such other absolute brahms surfing on the net. (Just to make u laugh) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 Thank you For playing with the word " my" namasivayam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2004 Report Share Posted November 24, 2004 Who we are depends on the level of consciousness. Dehabuddhyaa tu daasosmi, jeevabuddhyaa twadamshakaha Aatmabuddhyaa twamevaahamiti, me nishchitaa matihi. When I am in body consciousness I know I am your servant, when I am conscious of the higher force of life I know I am a part of you, and when I am conscious of the Self, I know I am You! - HanumannaaTaka While the path may be slow, and sequential, for any kind of realization of the True Self, we will need to experience all these states of being simultaneously. Neither is superior nor inferior to any other. All rituals merge into meditations at certan levels, each taking the sadhak to the the final stages. _/\_ Tat twam asi Uma , beirut_ka_baba <no_reply> wrote: >and u Tatwamasi what is your idea of > re-birth (i think you too are more spiritualist and less religious- > as your ID suggests) > > ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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