Guest guest Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 Dear Laxman, U have a potential question. First of all it is important to know when this started. The ancient times the human being has many difficulties in life from nature.If u see the vedas there are prayer to Indra,Varuna etc and depending upon the power they thought the god is having which they created,they started to offer whatevr they felt it could please these gods.Thus started poojas. Thease gods are cosmically created and agreed by the ancient society and have a firm stand and appearance.We can see these gods if we enter at certain level of meditation. Since being at a particular dynamics these cosmic gods have the capacity to help the devotees at mental level which further relates at physical level. The holy places have the impressions of sages and the devotees.coz of which the mind gets calmed down and u feel relief and peace. The dead people leave the impressions of desires at the places where they leaved years together and has effect and if the third eye is open they can be seen in terms of ghosts or souls untill the desires are strong At the conclusion i would like to say that this is usefull when the poojas are done full heartedly (mind open) In sadhana it is definately helpfull to have a sigle god or guru since u need a guru(cosmic)inside ur journey untill u reach at turiyavastha.After then he leaves and u alone has to travel further. We need to definately have to extraxt whatevr nice from ancient acts available. sadhana without all this is also definately possible regards, Udaykumar --- laxman_bhatia <no_reply> wrote: > dear friends, the good old things like rosaries, > rituals, going to > holy places (tirath-sthhana), Shraadh, yajna etc Do > they have some > real value in context of Sadhna ? or we have to > forget them as > incomplete truths of the past ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 , "udaykumar S.K." <udaykumar001> wrote: > Dear Laxman, > sadhana without all this is also definately possible > > regards, > > > Udaykumar That exactly is the question! if sadhna is possible without these external aids ? then what is the need of rituals, pilgrimages, going to temples etc etc? should a sadhaka discard these old customs or not ? laxman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 "should a sadhaka discard these old customs or not ?" Laxman, If the sadhaka is in the position to do so, then yes. Some rules dont apply for every person though. It depends on the sadhakas level, on his karma and dharma. Something which might apply to someone, might not apply to someone else due to various factors that one has to consider. We cant be that absolute and reply with a yes or a no. Each sadhaka's case is unique and generalizations might not be wise on such matters. Following your heart and your intuition might be the answer. regards Angela Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 Dear Laxman: Saadhanaa is extremely important for systematic development. But there one reaches a point that one is required to abandon his saadhana as well. Otherwise even that saadhanaa creates attachments. janeshver maharaj says such saadhanaa actually creates a falls pride of achievement and therefore need to be discarded as well. Compare this to trying to cross river in a boat. Once you reach on the other side you must discard the boat. No matter how wonderful that boat ride may have been. Just something to think about. Regards, Dr. Yadu , laxman_bhatia <no_reply> wrote: > , "udaykumar S.K." <udaykumar001> > wrote: > > Dear Laxman, > > sadhana without all this is also definately possible > > > > regards, > > > > > > Udaykumar > > > That exactly is the question! if sadhna is possible without > these external aids ? then what is the need of rituals, pilgrimages, > going to temples etc etc? > > should a sadhaka discard these old customs or not ? > > laxman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 Hello Dr Yadu! I agree with you. Until I reach the other side, I prefer to be on the boat, rather than swim my way to it . When someone reaches the other side... I believe such tremendous changes take place... When one attains self-realization, how can there be room for pride or for other emotions? Namaste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 Hello All, Regarding rituals and idol worshipping I want to share my view. It is generally found that ordinary person worship idols. For him it is absolutely necessary. He develops devotion and respect for God by worshipping idols. Afterwards when he will obtain sadhana, he will not need idol worship. All idols are symbols of God. During sadhana the sages have visualized all the forms of God and established them in the shape of idols and drawing the common man towards this. The sages have instructed the common people to engage themselves in idol worship. The common men are ignorant of sadhana and for this reason they can not visualize those forms of God within their Inner eye. Everything in this world consists of two aspects: one external, the other internal. In the sphere of sadhana also these two aspects are present. Idol worship, pilgrimages, fasting, taking holy dip in the Ganges, japa etc. are all the external facets of sadhana. Only atmakarma is the internal sadhana. A living being undergoes gradual upliftment in successive births. The compassionate sages have introduced external sadhana because all men do not have the insight. All men do not yearn for God. They are contended if they acquire material benefits through God's grace and consider these benefits to be God. These types of men are several in numbers. It is for them that the sages have introduced the practice of external sadhana. By regularly practicing external sadhana in this manner, a living being will be purified after several births and will be able to gain introspective vision of internal sadhana, it is then that he will be deemed fit to obtain internal sadhana and by executing this internal sadhana can finally reach the Bambhra Pada – the Feet of God with regards, ashis , "Angie" <oiokasti@h...> wrote: > Hello Dr Yadu! > > I agree with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 dear Laxman i think before you should have asked that question, there should have been a question "What is sadhna ?". Perhaps when we find out what does sadhna mean to us, we will ourselves be in a position to decide what to discard and what not. Here the example given by Dr.Yadu is very important. So what is the definition of sadhna ? when we say we have started our sadhna ? regards nachiketa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 Here the one who is trying to swim is "YOGI" whose mode of transportation is "YOGA". Where as, in "bhakti maaraga" - shraddha represents the boat. Regards to all saadhaka of all paths. Dr. Yadu , "Angie" <oiokasti@h...> wrote: > Hello Dr Yadu! > > I agree with you. Until I reach the other side, I prefer to be on the > boat, rather than swim my way to it . When someone reaches the > other side... I believe such tremendous changes take place... > > When one attains self-realization, how can there be room for pride or > for other emotions? > > Namaste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 Hello ymoharir, I thought bhakti was also a type of YOGA ;-) When I wrote "Until I reach the other side, I prefer to be on the boat, rather than swim my way to it. " I meant: the one on the boat is the person using some spiritual disciple such as yoga (whatever yoga that is). The other shore is self-realization. The person who is obliged to swim (because he doesnt know that there are boats) is the average person, who has no interest in a better spiritual and mental quality of life. Now some paths are slow like boats, others are faster than yachts. Any vehicle one prefers is ok I think. *smiles* Hari om! ymoharir> wrote: > Here the one who is trying to swim is "YOGI" whose mode of > transportation is "YOGA". > > Where as, in "bhakti maaraga" - shraddha represents the boat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 angela u r right, The leaving of rituals is own subject to the sadhaks and like choosing the vehicle to reach at destination. one goes by air,one by rail,one by road,one by walk,one by cart but all have to reach at one single destination. also we can say the rituals are the like the index figer pointing to moon.If we want to see moon we do not have to see the finger.But fingerpoint leads towards the location of moon in the sky. So i feel the about rituals. the one who knows the moon in the sky doesnt needs finger pointed towards it. Om --- Angela <oiokasti wrote: > Hello ymoharir, > > I thought bhakti was also a type of YOGA ;-) > > When I wrote "Until I reach the other side, I prefer > to be on the > boat, rather than swim my way to it. " I meant: the > one on the boat > is the person using some spiritual disciple such as > yoga (whatever > yoga that is). The other shore is self-realization. > The person who is > obliged to swim (because he doesnt know that there > are boats) is the > average person, who has no interest in a better > spiritual and mental > quality of life. Now some paths are slow like boats, > others are > faster than yachts. Any vehicle one prefers is ok I > think. > > *smiles* > > Hari om! > > ymoharir> wrote: > > Here the one who is trying to swim is "YOGI" whose > mode of > > transportation is "YOGA". > > > > Where as, in "bhakti maaraga" - shraddha > represents the boat. > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2004 Report Share Posted June 11, 2004 Dear Members and Angela,Please Accept my humble obiesances! Yes Bhakti Yoga, is Yoga of Devotion to Krsna (God).This Yoga is Done, By Chanting Krsna's Holy Names,and Meditating on Krsna Form,as we chant! Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare, Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare This method,is the Sweetest way,to realize Krsna (God),in this degraded age of Kali! In this Age,it is very hard to meditate,so this mantra was given to us,by the Last Incarnation of Krsna,500 years ago,Named Lord Caitanya.This Bhakti Yoga is also a Yoga of Love of God,Krsna Prema! When we are told of the Pastimes of Krsna,or read about Him,We develope a relationship with Him! It is also Best to be told about Krsna and to be guided in Krsna Concsiousness,By a Guru,In deciplic Succession with Krsna Himself! We also Cook for Krsna,and after chanting his names,over the Vegetarian Meal,We eat Krsna's rements! In a Group,when We chant Hare Krsna,it is called Kirtaina!Then we can dance and chant,and this becomes very sweet!So Bhakti Yoga is Chanting and Dancing,and Taking Krsna Prasadam,His offered food,so this feasting and chanting is very easy,in this Age,to Bring us to Love of God!You may write me at krsnajoe to ask me any questions,Your Servant,Jaya Kesava Dasa Jai Radhe - Angela Friday, June 11, 2004 10:52 AM Re: A question Hello ymoharir, I thought bhakti was also a type of YOGA ;-) When I wrote "Until I reach the other side, I prefer to be on the boat, rather than swim my way to it. " I meant: the one on the boat is the person using some spiritual disciple such as yoga (whatever yoga that is). The other shore is self-realization. The person who is obliged to swim (because he doesnt know that there are boats) is the average person, who has no interest in a better spiritual and mental quality of life. Now some paths are slow like boats, others are faster than yachts. Any vehicle one prefers is ok I think. *smiles* Hari om! ymoharir> wrote: > Here the one who is trying to swim is "YOGI" whose mode of > transportation is "YOGA". > > Where as, in "bhakti maaraga" - shraddha represents the boat. / b.. c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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