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Dear Laxman,

 

U have a potential question.

 

First of all it is important to know when this

started.

The ancient times the human being has many

difficulties in life from nature.If u see the vedas

there are prayer to Indra,Varuna etc and depending

upon the power they thought the god is having which

they created,they started to offer whatevr they felt

it could please these gods.Thus started poojas.

 

Thease gods are cosmically created and agreed by the

ancient society and have a firm stand and

appearance.We can see these gods if we enter at

certain level of meditation.

 

Since being at a particular dynamics these cosmic gods

have the capacity to help the devotees at mental level

which further relates at physical level.

 

The holy places have the impressions of sages and the

devotees.coz of which the mind gets calmed down and u

feel relief and peace.

 

The dead people leave the impressions of desires at

the places where they leaved years together and has

effect and if the third eye is open they can be seen

in terms of ghosts or souls untill the desires are

strong

 

At the conclusion i would like to say that this is

usefull when the poojas are done full heartedly (mind

open)

 

In sadhana it is definately helpfull to have a sigle

god or guru since u need a guru(cosmic)inside ur

journey untill u reach at turiyavastha.After then he

leaves and u alone has to travel further.

 

We need to definately have to extraxt whatevr nice

from ancient acts available.

 

sadhana without all this is also definately possible

 

regards,

 

 

Udaykumar

 

 

 

 

--- laxman_bhatia <no_reply> wrote:

> dear friends, the good old things like rosaries,

> rituals, going to

> holy places (tirath-sthhana), Shraadh, yajna etc Do

> they have some

> real value in context of Sadhna ? or we have to

> forget them as

> incomplete truths of the past ?

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, "udaykumar S.K." <udaykumar001>

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> Dear Laxman,

> sadhana without all this is also definately possible

>

> regards,

>

>

> Udaykumar

 

 

That exactly is the question! if sadhna is possible without

these external aids ? then what is the need of rituals, pilgrimages,

going to temples etc etc?

 

should a sadhaka discard these old customs or not ?

 

laxman

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"should a sadhaka discard these old customs or not ?"

 

Laxman,

 

If the sadhaka is in the position to do so, then yes. Some rules dont

apply for every person though. It depends on the sadhakas level, on

his karma and dharma. Something which might apply to someone, might

not apply to someone else due to various factors that one has to

consider. We cant be that absolute and reply with a yes or a no.

Each sadhaka's case is unique and generalizations might not be wise

on such matters. Following your heart and your intuition might be the

answer.

 

regards

Angela

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Dear Laxman:

 

Saadhanaa is extremely important for systematic development.

 

But there one reaches a point that one is required to abandon his

saadhana as well. Otherwise even that saadhanaa creates attachments.

 

janeshver maharaj says such saadhanaa actually creates a falls pride

of achievement and therefore need to be discarded as well.

 

Compare this to trying to cross river in a boat. Once you reach on

the other side you must discard the boat. No matter how wonderful

that boat ride may have been.

 

Just something to think about.

 

Regards,

 

Dr. Yadu

 

 

, laxman_bhatia <no_reply> wrote:

> , "udaykumar S.K."

<udaykumar001>

> wrote:

> > Dear Laxman,

> > sadhana without all this is also definately possible

> >

> > regards,

> >

> >

> > Udaykumar

>

>

> That exactly is the question! if sadhna is possible without

> these external aids ? then what is the need of rituals,

pilgrimages,

> going to temples etc etc?

>

> should a sadhaka discard these old customs or not ?

>

> laxman

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Hello Dr Yadu!

 

I agree with you. Until I reach the other side, I prefer to be on the

boat, rather than swim my way to it ;). When someone reaches the

other side... I believe such tremendous changes take place...

 

When one attains self-realization, how can there be room for pride or

for other emotions?

 

Namaste

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Hello All,

 

Regarding rituals and idol worshipping I want to share my view.

 

 

It is generally found that ordinary person worship idols. For him it

is absolutely necessary. He develops devotion and respect for God by

worshipping idols. Afterwards when he will obtain sadhana, he will

not need idol worship. All idols are symbols of God. During sadhana

the sages have visualized all the forms of God and established them

in the shape of idols and drawing the common man towards this. The

sages have instructed the common people to engage themselves in idol

worship. The common men are ignorant of sadhana and for this reason

they can not visualize those forms of God within their Inner eye.

Everything in this world consists of two aspects: one external, the

other internal. In the sphere of sadhana also these two aspects are

present. Idol worship, pilgrimages, fasting, taking holy dip in the

Ganges, japa etc. are all the external facets of sadhana. Only

atmakarma is the internal sadhana. A living being undergoes gradual

upliftment in successive births. The compassionate sages have

introduced external sadhana because all men do not have the insight.

All men do not yearn for God. They are contended if they acquire

material benefits through God's grace and consider these benefits to

be God. These types of men are several in numbers. It is for them

that the sages have introduced the practice of external sadhana. By

regularly practicing external sadhana in this manner, a living being

will be purified after several births and will be able to gain

introspective vision of internal sadhana, it is then that he will be

deemed fit to obtain internal sadhana and by executing this internal

sadhana can finally reach the Bambhra Pada – the Feet of God

 

 

with regards,

ashis

 

 

, "Angie" <oiokasti@h...> wrote:

> Hello Dr Yadu!

>

> I agree with you.

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dear Laxman i think before you should have asked that question, there

should have been a question "What is sadhna ?".

 

Perhaps when we find out what does sadhna mean to us, we will

ourselves be in a position to decide what to discard and what not.

Here the example given by Dr.Yadu is very important.

 

So what is the definition of sadhna ? when we say we have started

our sadhna ?

 

regards

 

nachiketa

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Here the one who is trying to swim is "YOGI" whose mode of

transportation is "YOGA".

 

Where as, in "bhakti maaraga" - shraddha represents the boat.

 

Regards to all saadhaka of all paths.

 

Dr. Yadu

 

 

 

, "Angie" <oiokasti@h...> wrote:

> Hello Dr Yadu!

>

> I agree with you. Until I reach the other side, I prefer to be on

the

> boat, rather than swim my way to it ;). When someone reaches the

> other side... I believe such tremendous changes take place...

>

> When one attains self-realization, how can there be room for pride

or

> for other emotions?

>

> Namaste

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Hello ymoharir,

 

I thought bhakti was also a type of YOGA ;-)

 

When I wrote "Until I reach the other side, I prefer to be on the

boat, rather than swim my way to it. " I meant: the one on the boat

is the person using some spiritual disciple such as yoga (whatever

yoga that is). The other shore is self-realization. The person who is

obliged to swim (because he doesnt know that there are boats) is the

average person, who has no interest in a better spiritual and mental

quality of life. Now some paths are slow like boats, others are

faster than yachts. Any vehicle one prefers is ok I think.

 

*smiles*

 

Hari om!

 

ymoharir> wrote:

> Here the one who is trying to swim is "YOGI" whose mode of

> transportation is "YOGA".

>

> Where as, in "bhakti maaraga" - shraddha represents the boat.

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angela u r right,

 

The leaving of rituals is own subject to the sadhaks

and like choosing the vehicle to reach at destination.

 

one goes by air,one by rail,one by road,one by

walk,one by cart but all have to reach at one single

destination.

 

also we can say the rituals are the like the index

figer pointing to moon.If we want to see moon we do

not have to see the finger.But fingerpoint leads

towards the location of moon in the sky.

So i feel the about rituals.

 

the one who knows the moon in the sky doesnt needs

finger pointed towards it.

 

Om

 

--- Angela <oiokasti wrote:

> Hello ymoharir,

>

> I thought bhakti was also a type of YOGA ;-)

>

> When I wrote "Until I reach the other side, I prefer

> to be on the

> boat, rather than swim my way to it. " I meant: the

> one on the boat

> is the person using some spiritual disciple such as

> yoga (whatever

> yoga that is). The other shore is self-realization.

> The person who is

> obliged to swim (because he doesnt know that there

> are boats) is the

> average person, who has no interest in a better

> spiritual and mental

> quality of life. Now some paths are slow like boats,

> others are

> faster than yachts. Any vehicle one prefers is ok I

> think.

>

> *smiles*

>

> Hari om!

>

> ymoharir> wrote:

> > Here the one who is trying to swim is "YOGI" whose

> mode of

> > transportation is "YOGA".

> >

> > Where as, in "bhakti maaraga" - shraddha

> represents the boat.

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Members and Angela,Please Accept my humble obiesances! Yes Bhakti Yoga, is

Yoga of Devotion to Krsna (God).This Yoga is Done, By Chanting Krsna's Holy

Names,and Meditating on Krsna Form,as we chant! Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna

Krsna Hare Hare, Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare

This method,is the Sweetest way,to realize Krsna (God),in this degraded age of

Kali! In this Age,it is very hard to meditate,so this mantra was given to us,by

the Last Incarnation of Krsna,500 years ago,Named

Lord Caitanya.This Bhakti Yoga is also a Yoga of Love of God,Krsna Prema! When

we are told of the Pastimes of Krsna,or read about Him,We develope a

relationship with Him! It is also Best to be told about Krsna and to be guided

in Krsna Concsiousness,By a Guru,In deciplic Succession with Krsna Himself! We

also Cook for Krsna,and after chanting his names,over the Vegetarian Meal,We eat

Krsna's rements! In a Group,when We chant Hare Krsna,it is called Kirtaina!Then

we can dance and chant,and this becomes very sweet!So Bhakti Yoga is Chanting

and Dancing,and Taking Krsna Prasadam,His offered food,so this feasting and

chanting is very easy,in this Age,to Bring us to Love of God!You may write me at

krsnajoe to ask me any questions,Your Servant,Jaya Kesava Dasa

Jai Radhe

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Angela

Friday, June 11, 2004 10:52 AM

Re: A question

 

 

Hello ymoharir,

 

I thought bhakti was also a type of YOGA ;-)

 

When I wrote "Until I reach the other side, I prefer to be on the

boat, rather than swim my way to it. " I meant: the one on the boat

is the person using some spiritual disciple such as yoga (whatever

yoga that is). The other shore is self-realization. The person who is

obliged to swim (because he doesnt know that there are boats) is the

average person, who has no interest in a better spiritual and mental

quality of life. Now some paths are slow like boats, others are

faster than yachts. Any vehicle one prefers is ok I think.

 

*smiles*

 

Hari om!

 

ymoharir> wrote:

> Here the one who is trying to swim is "YOGI" whose mode of

> transportation is "YOGA".

>

> Where as, in "bhakti maaraga" - shraddha represents the boat.

 

 

 

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