Surrender

May 20, 2004

Tks dear Tatwamasi,

You have chosen a great subject for sharing. Surrender is an

inseparable part of sadhna. Whatever path one is taking, it passes

through surrender and finally reaches divine love.

Of course, those who are very logical and egoistics, normally take

the path of Gyana yoga, and it is very difficult for them to shed the

ego and surrender to the god. But if their Gyana is divine and wise,

they slowly start understanding the System and sheer knowledge of the

greatness of the System,forces them to surrender.

Surrender in Sadhna does not mean, a surrender of a defeated and

coward person. Normally people surrender to God, when all other

doors in the physical world close and they then turn to god for

help. Though this is not a real surrender (in spiritual terms), yet

sometimes it works too and god comes forward to help them. Surrender

of a Bhakta is nearer to real surrender, where a Bhakta leaves

everything to god.

The beauty of this System of Universe (Tantra, prakriti etc) is

that the more you surrender to the supreme, the more this system of

energies comes under your control. But the surrender should not be

for wordly gains or as a result of disappointments from other

sources. The real surrender is where a sadhaka knows God, loves Him,

understands him and presents his heart, mind and body to God and

prays him to use him as his manifestation tool. True surrender is

not becoming a lazy,coward dependent slave of God but an energetic

alive Yantra (tool) of god, which God uses to manifest in the

physical world. In real surrender, all wishes arising out of

Anthakarna are taken as desires of the supreme, and body and mind are

allowed to work on them, keeping ego aside. Where even an iota of

ego comes in between, or where if any work is done to satisfy ego,

the surrender becomes fake.

Surrender to God is like becoming a flute in the hands of

Krishna, Let him play His music on this flute.

nachiketa

May 21, 2004

Surrender is of the ego. Identification with the body,

mind and intellect gives rise to an identity which

takes one away from the conciousness or awareness of

the self

Awareness is happiness. Why should one want moksha

when they already have it. Why should one want

anything at all when they are complete in every

respect

Vik

--- tatwamasi wrote:

> What is the role of surrender in sadhna?

>

> Firstly what do we mean by surrender in the context

> of sadhna?

May 21, 2004

Namaste.

Thanks for the messages posted in this topic by Umaji, Radha Kutirji

and Dr. Naciketa.

A famous shloka on 'sharanagati', surrender unto the Lord, given by

the schools of 'Prapatti':

AnukUlyasya saGkalpaH

prAtikUlyasya varjanam

rakSiSyatIti vizvAso

goptRtve varaNaM tathA

Atma-nikSepa-kArpaNye

SaD-vidhA zaraNAgatiH

Prapatti consists in -

the resolution to submit, to yield;

the avoidance of opposition;

a faith that the Lord will protect;

choosing of God as the one's sole saviour;

the sense of helplessness resulting in placing oneself

at His disposal and

the consciousness of utter abasement;

Thus there are six constituents of 'Prapatti', surrender.

In other words, 'Prapatti' means self-surrender to God's protection

and Grace which precludes all kinds of religious obligations on the

part of 'Prapanna', the surrendered devotee.

The favorable and the unfavorable, or that which is to be adopted

(AnukUlyasya saGkalpaH) and to be renounced (prAtikUlyasya varjanam),

have been discussed by Sri Rupa Gosvamin in his 'Upadesamrta' verses

two and three:

atyAhAraH prayAsaz ca

prajalpo niyamAgrahaH

jana-saGgaz ca laulyaM ca

SaDbhir bhaktir vinazyati

"Collecting or eating excessively,

endeavoring for the needless,

aimless conversations,

adherence to rules without a purpose

or whimsical rejection of rules,

association with worldly men

and greed for the mundane;

by these six devotion perishes."

utsAhAn nizcayAd dhairyAt

tat-tat-karma-pravartanAt

saGga-tyAgAt sato vRtteH

SaDbhir bhaktiH prasidhyati

"Enthusiasm (for devotion),

confidence (that one day the Lord will bestow His mercy),

firmness in determination (despite obstacles),

execution of proper acts (conducive for devotion),

rejection of mundane association, and

adherence to the path of the saints;

by these six, devotion is perfected."

Hope my 2 cents adds to the discussion.

Jaya Sri Radhey!

>

> Looking forward to a hearty dialogue!

>

> _/\_ Tat twam asi

>

> Uma

May 21, 2004

Hari Om! Jai Gajanan !

Prostrations to Guru Maharaj.

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

Namaskar! I am very new to this group and a novice in Sadhana. I am

venturing to write what I 'feel' at my level on this subject and

hoping to learn from all of you.

Q. What is the role of surrender in sadhna?

A. "Surrender" plays a role of "goal" of the sadhana.

Q.What do we mean by surrender in the context of sadhna?

A. We can feel our "I" awareness in our head and the other "I"

awareness in our heart. There is always calmness in the heart.

However, when something happens that does not go according to our

likes we feel agitations in our head. When someone mentions our name

or praises us we feel agitations in head. So, it seems like the one

in the head is "individuality" and the one in the heart

is "divinity" - Our beloved Lord resting happily on Shesha with

whom we want to become one.

In context of Sadhana surrender is - becoming aware of these

two "I"s, one in our heart and the other in our head and everytime we

feel "I" in the head risinig as agitations merge it immediately with

the one in the heart to experience the peace and bliss.

Q. Does it mean sitting back and simply taking the name of one's

chosen ishta devata?

A. It is kind of sitting back because we let things just happen

without any resistance and without passing any judgements. When

the "I" in head is not active, things just take place through us and

HE runs the show. We just watch. (When I was telling this to somebody

they asked me "who watches?". That made me realise that there must be

one more "I" and it felt like "tired bird has come back to cozy

nest". Bliss!)

Taking name of one's chosen ishta devata is what leads one to this

state of mind. If one finds drifting away from bliss one must

definitely take ishta devata's name more and more to bring the soul

back home.

Q. Does it mean surrendering the attachment to the fruits of one's

desires?

A. When we are with "I" in the heart there are no "fruits" to

surrender. We just have to keep surrendering the "I" in head if it

has drifted away - as Sadhana.

Q. Does it imply surrendering all desires, including that of moksha?

A. That is what masters say ! I really "desire" to be "one with HIM".

Masters must be saying this because when we are no more

Mr/Mrs so and so, who is left to desire? Who is left to get

liberated? In one of the discourses master said that "Can you

prostrate to goddess sleep? You cannot because you become sleep when

you sleep." I think surrender of all desires will just happen

after "I" awareness remains in heart 'all the time'.

If we have grace of our Guru liberation will happen otherwise it

won't. Either way is fine.

- At HIS feet with devotion and gratitude

Love and Regards,

Your Sister

May 22, 2004

HI yall and umaji,

surrender is the surrending of self to the supreme one

who we call as god.

the surrender of inclusive of awareness of being

someone rather than just being.

Meera,Tukaram were the some examples of the surrenedr.

If u heard of prahlad story he also fits in this.

Regards,

Udaykumar

--- tatwamasi wrote:

> What is the role of surrender in sadhna?

>

May 23, 2004

A part of the original message was missing in the group posting. I am therefore

sending the complete message once again.

-

"SRI RADHA KUTIR" <radhaktr

<>

21 May, 2004 5:45 PM

Re: Surrender

> What is the role of surrender in Sadhna?

>

> Very good question indeed! Surrender itself is Sadhna but the million dollar

question is, what is surrender?

>

> Lord Krishna tells Arjuna (Gita VIII-7), "Therefore Arjuna, think of Me at all

times and fight. With your mind and reason (intellect) thus set on Me, you will

doubtless come to Me.

>

> Tasmat Sarveshu Kaleshu Mamanusmar Yudhya Cha |

> Maeya Arpita Mano Buddhihi Mamevaishyasamshyam || (Gita VIII-7)

>

> This verse tells it all. While living and working in the world keep the mind

focused on the Lord at all times, How? By surrendering the mind and the

intellect at the lotus feet of the Lord. That is by accepting the Lord to be our

guide in all our actions. If the result of our actions is favorable, accept that

to be the Will of the Lord and if it is unfavorable, that too is the Will of the

Lord.

>

> In surrender, Lord is the only thing important in life. While eating food

consider we are feeding the Lord and not the body. The Lord says in the Gita

(XV-14), "I am the fire in the body that consumes four types of food". If you

are giving any charity, consider we are giving it to the Lord, the person asking

alms in front of us is the Lord Himself. Give all the credit and blame for all

our actions to the Lord, why take it upon ourselves. All successes and failures

are His, dump them on the Lord and be free. Please do not misunderstand here

that we can get away with doing nothing, Lord Krishna tells very clearly in the

Gita that "do not be attached to inaction". All our senses including the mind

and the intellect are able to function because of the shine of the Lord (Atma)

within. Try to divorce from the body-mind-sense complex bit by bit and to that

extent we shall realize our real Self. Living a life in the world is like

fighting a Mahabharta War, a life of constant action and a battle with the

negativities within, let the Lord be our Charioteer and our guide, and we shall

surely cross the ocean of Samsara. Lord becomes our charioteer and guide, when

we put all our trust in Him and surrender to Him.

>

> Next question is where and how do we start the surrendering process. It

depends upon the stage of development of our Sadhna. Surrender ranges from

bowing down in front of the picture or the idol of the Lord of your choosing, to

the Self Realization, "Aham Brahmasmi", and the whole range in-between. The

ultimate goal is to annihilate the false ego that we are the body-mind-sense

complex and realize our true nature, the Self.

>

> Hari Om,

> radhakutir

-

> <tatwamasi

> <>

> 21 May, 2004 3:58 AM

> Surrender

>

> > What is the role of surrender in sadhna?

> >

> > Firstly what do we mean by surrender in the context of sadhna? Does

> > it mean sitting back and simply taking the name of one's chosen

> > ishta devata? Or does it mean surrendering the attachment to the

> > fruits of one's desires? Or does it imply surrendering all desires,

> > including that of moksha?

> >

> > Looking forward to a hearty dialogue!

> >

> > _/\_ Tat twam asi

> >

> > Uma

> >

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May 23, 2004

, tatwamasi wrote:

> What is the role of surrender in sadhna?

>

What is to surrender?

if I have nothing left,

you have taken all,

including my soul,

I am like the hot wax,

and you mold me to your

desire,

I am the flame and you

the wind,

and I move as you wish,

what is to surrender,

nothing left,

if you are my everything,

my air,

my sun and clouds,

water and song is you,

beauty and peace,

and were ever I go,

you are in there,

and I make of every

place my shrine of love

and is only for you,

my Nityananda Balaram!

tulsi108

May 26, 2004

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What is the role of surrender in Sadhna?

Very good question indeed! Surrender itself is Sadhna but the million dollar

question is, what is surrender?

Lord Krishna tells Arjuna (Gita VIII-7), "Therefore Arjuna, think of Me at all

times and fight. With your mind and reason (intellect) thus set on Me, you will

doubtless come to Me.

Tasmat Sarveshu Kaleshu Mamanusmar Yudhya Cha |

Maeya Arpita Mano Buddhihi Mamevaishyasamshyam || (Gita VIII-7)

This verse tells it all. While living and working in the world keep the mind

focused on the Lord at all times, How? By surrendering the mind and the

intellect at the lotus feet of the Lord. That is by accepting the Lord to be our

guide in all our actions. If the result of our actions is favorable, accept that

to be the Will of the Lord and if it is unfavorable, that too is the Will of the

Lord.

In surrender, Lord is the only thing important in life. While eating food