Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 Surrender is of the ego. Identification with the body, mind and intellect gives rise to an identity which takes one away from the conciousness or awareness of the self Awareness is happiness. Why should one want moksha when they already have it. Why should one want anything at all when they are complete in every respect Vik --- tatwamasi wrote: > What is the role of surrender in sadhna? > > Firstly what do we mean by surrender in the context > of sadhna? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 Namaste. Thanks for the messages posted in this topic by Umaji, Radha Kutirji and Dr. Naciketa. A famous shloka on 'sharanagati', surrender unto the Lord, given by the schools of 'Prapatti': AnukUlyasya saGkalpaH prAtikUlyasya varjanam rakSiSyatIti vizvAso goptRtve varaNaM tathA Atma-nikSepa-kArpaNye SaD-vidhA zaraNAgatiH Prapatti consists in - the resolution to submit, to yield; the avoidance of opposition; a faith that the Lord will protect; choosing of God as the one's sole saviour; the sense of helplessness resulting in placing oneself at His disposal and the consciousness of utter abasement; Thus there are six constituents of 'Prapatti', surrender. In other words, 'Prapatti' means self-surrender to God's protection and Grace which precludes all kinds of religious obligations on the part of 'Prapanna', the surrendered devotee. The favorable and the unfavorable, or that which is to be adopted (AnukUlyasya saGkalpaH) and to be renounced (prAtikUlyasya varjanam), have been discussed by Sri Rupa Gosvamin in his 'Upadesamrta' verses two and three: atyAhAraH prayAsaz ca prajalpo niyamAgrahaH jana-saGgaz ca laulyaM ca SaDbhir bhaktir vinazyati "Collecting or eating excessively, endeavoring for the needless, aimless conversations, adherence to rules without a purpose or whimsical rejection of rules, association with worldly men and greed for the mundane; by these six devotion perishes." utsAhAn nizcayAd dhairyAt tat-tat-karma-pravartanAt saGga-tyAgAt sato vRtteH SaDbhir bhaktiH prasidhyati "Enthusiasm (for devotion), confidence (that one day the Lord will bestow His mercy), firmness in determination (despite obstacles), execution of proper acts (conducive for devotion), rejection of mundane association, and adherence to the path of the saints; by these six, devotion is perfected." Hope my 2 cents adds to the discussion. Jaya Sri Radhey! > > Looking forward to a hearty dialogue! > > _/\_ Tat twam asi > > Uma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 Hari Om! Jai Gajanan ! Prostrations to Guru Maharaj. Dear Brothers and Sisters, Namaskar! I am very new to this group and a novice in Sadhana. I am venturing to write what I 'feel' at my level on this subject and hoping to learn from all of you. Q. What is the role of surrender in sadhna? A. "Surrender" plays a role of "goal" of the sadhana. Q.What do we mean by surrender in the context of sadhna? A. We can feel our "I" awareness in our head and the other "I" awareness in our heart. There is always calmness in the heart. However, when something happens that does not go according to our likes we feel agitations in our head. When someone mentions our name or praises us we feel agitations in head. So, it seems like the one in the head is "individuality" and the one in the heart is "divinity" - Our beloved Lord resting happily on Shesha with whom we want to become one. In context of Sadhana surrender is - becoming aware of these two "I"s, one in our heart and the other in our head and everytime we feel "I" in the head risinig as agitations merge it immediately with the one in the heart to experience the peace and bliss. Q. Does it mean sitting back and simply taking the name of one's chosen ishta devata? A. It is kind of sitting back because we let things just happen without any resistance and without passing any judgements. When the "I" in head is not active, things just take place through us and HE runs the show. We just watch. (When I was telling this to somebody they asked me "who watches?". That made me realise that there must be one more "I" and it felt like "tired bird has come back to cozy nest". Bliss!) Taking name of one's chosen ishta devata is what leads one to this state of mind. If one finds drifting away from bliss one must definitely take ishta devata's name more and more to bring the soul back home. Q. Does it mean surrendering the attachment to the fruits of one's desires? A. When we are with "I" in the heart there are no "fruits" to surrender. We just have to keep surrendering the "I" in head if it has drifted away - as Sadhana. Q. Does it imply surrendering all desires, including that of moksha? A. That is what masters say ! I really "desire" to be "one with HIM". Masters must be saying this because when we are no more Mr/Mrs so and so, who is left to desire? Who is left to get liberated? In one of the discourses master said that "Can you prostrate to goddess sleep? You cannot because you become sleep when you sleep." I think surrender of all desires will just happen after "I" awareness remains in heart 'all the time'. If we have grace of our Guru liberation will happen otherwise it won't. Either way is fine. - At HIS feet with devotion and gratitude Love and Regards, Your Sister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.