Guest guest Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 Pranaams, I felt that this contains the essense of advaita. Purna is the "One" Complete... It is that "one", that came out of "one" and by the removal of "one" from "one" still, what would be left is that "One"!! AND ==>> One is nothing but infinity. For example in mathematics.. We have multiplication, which is series of additions, and those additions of individuals means we are actually of dividing something(One), so there we see division, and division is nothing but repeated subtraction. So All these operations are just on One, always yielding one. Its like saying How far is 1 from 0. We may say just 1 step(1-0) or Infinite steps(0.1, 0.11,0.111,0.1111...) So these mathematical operations really do not make sense, since all are eventually the same. They have the same input to produce the same output. One is Infinity, Infinity is the One. So again we see oneness... Infinite has to become one. Vaccum/void cannot exist. Infact to express this we can say…there is nothing called NOT..NOT is not there.. Hmm.. now again looks like duality has crept in saying “existence and non-existance” ..But boolean is again one. So Rather than saying this we can say “There exists only one” Infinity cannot be divided, A-dvaita means the "One without a second" can have no second, all is that One. Why not “Ekah”, because, with the thought of one comes two, which has already crept in. So explicitly we say “NO TWO(second)”! Just some blabbering of a toddler... Hari Om. --- dr_nachiketa <no_reply> wrote: > Dear singh, > > This is a shloka from Yajurveda peace mantra in > chapter 40 its > word by word meaning is :- > > "That is Purna, this is Purna, Purna comes out of > Purna. > If Purna is subtracted from Purna, still Purna is > left." > > Purna is derived from root "Pri" meaning to fill. > Thus Purna means > full or complete. In this verse, Purna can also be > interpreted to > mean infinity. Second line then yields that the > result of subtracting > infinity from infinity is still infinity. > > This shloka beautifully explains the apparent > duality of > consciousness in unity. It explains how > consciousness (read God) > which is Truth in itself, manifests into this > universe which is also > truth, the soul, the mind, the intellect, and the > viveka, all truths > in themselves. Here God manifests as universe and > different > identities, but that does not substract truth from > larger truth. It > shows that all these creations are inside God and > not away from him. > > This mantra can be explained in many ways, > perhaps other friends > may continue this further > > Hari Aum > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2004 Report Share Posted April 30, 2004 , "Pradeep Bhat \(Bangalore\)" <p_r_a_d_e_e_p_7> wrote: Pradeep it was a nice logical way to explain! do you think this shloka contradicts the theory of Maya ? if Purna (Maya/prakriti) has come out of Purna(God) then it confirms Maya is not actually MAYA but a truth, a purna ! hari aum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 Pranaams, Hmm.. Thats tricky!! Anyway i think it still holds good...provided who says this? The sayer should mean what he says... The person who says this, himself is the manifestation of that truth. For him, there is Nothing called Maya. He does not "experience" Maya. For that we shud see, what actually term maya means is... maya is more like a software, rather than the hardware!! Its like the Matrix... "Maya is that which can make u feel, experience something, which is not really existent" So eventually maya is leading to something called void-of-something... WE already know that, there is nothing called void... And its just restating that there IS something. So Maya is nothing but restating that there is NOthing other than that one thing...Truth Absolute! Yes, maya is truth -- a manifestation of truth to show that there is truth and only truth. ( Just like good has no meaning without evil and vice versa. Evil exists only to project the truth ) Pardon me for my ignorant views, Just some thoughts... Hari Om. --- dr_nachiketa <no_reply> wrote: > , "Pradeep Bhat > \(Bangalore\)" > <p_r_a_d_e_e_p_7> wrote: > > Pradeep it was a nice logical way to explain! > > do you think this shloka contradicts the theory > of Maya ? if Purna > (Maya/prakriti) has come out of Purna(God) then it > confirms Maya is > not actually MAYA but a truth, a purna ! > > hari aum > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 To each according to his consciounessness. If one is at a level of duality, then yes Maya is the mistake of the intellect .. that which makes the rope appear to be the snake. As long as we see something other than the "I" it is Maya. In the world of non-duality, one sees nothing but "I". No Maya no nothing. BTW - Where are you Radha Kutir ji? long time no words of wisdom from you? _/\_ Tat twam asi Uma , dr_nachiketa <no_reply> wrote: > do you think this shloka contradicts the theory of Maya ? if Purna >(Maya/prakriti) has come out of Purna(God) then it confirms Maya is > not actually MAYA but a truth, a purna ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 , tatwamasi wrote: > To each according to his consciounessness..... > > If one is at a level of duality, then yes Maya is the mistake of the intellect ..... > > In the world of non-duality, one sees nothing but.... Jaya Sri Radhey! prAsAde sA pathi pathi ca sA pRSTatas sA puras sA paryaMke sA dizi dizi ca sA tad viyogAtur asyahaM ho! cetaH prakRtiraparA nAstite kApi 'sA sA sA sA sA sA jagati sakale ko 'yam advaita bhAvaH? (From 'Krishna Bhajanam'- A Collection of Hymns and Prayers by Braja Rasik Saints) Meaning: Another Braja Rasik Saint says through the words of Lord Krishna- "As I am burning in the sacred fire of separation from my beloved Radharani, wherever I glance, I only visualize my Radhika! When I look at my palacial home, Radhe is there! Radhe is seen at each path and every trail of Vrindavana! Radhika is blssfully present in front of me and behind me! Even in my resting bed, beloved Radhe is found before my eyes! In all possible directions, I am seeing only my soul Radha! My Radhe is seen wherever my looks fall upon and every object of the world is transformed into my divine darling Radhika! What more can be said about this state of NON-duality and total ONENESS! The outside world as well as inner subtle mind along with my entire divine existence are pervaded by my eternal Consort Radharani!" Jaya Sri Radhey! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Just adding my 2 cents....... The waves arise from the ocean. The exist for a short span of time and finally merge back into the ocean. Then another wave arises, exists for some time and merges back. Then another wave arises, and this goes on and on. The wave is not real for it has only a limited existence. However it is real for as long as it lasts. And this unreal/ partially real cannot arise out of nothing. All things can arise only from the Truth The truth which is Forever Existent is called Nitya. All the destructable or things that are ephemeral in nature are called Anitya. Those like Maya which are partially real, that is real while they last, are called 'Mitya'. Mitya is nothing but a difference in perspective. If we see it as a separate entity then it is a wave, if we see it as the ocean, then it is the ocean. The ocean is the basis / the ultimate Truth, and Maya is like the wave. Yes, Maya does indeed arise from the Truth, for nothing can be, that is not the Truth. It's only a change in the perspective. Another illustratin would be, what you wish to see in the food. Do you see the yummy stir fried in front of you, or do you see the basic components i.e proteins, carbohydrates, lipids, fats, vitamins and minerals in front of you? The components like proteins etc are real. And the gross form (stir fry / pasta/ rice etc) is also real. It's your choice of what you want to see. Similarly Maya is nothing but the presentation of that Absolute Truth. It cannot exist apart from it. But the question is what are we seeing? Are we seeing the presentation, or are we looking into the real nature? Are we seeing the wave or are we seeing the ocean? Are we seeing the proteins, or are we seeing the stir fry? Hari Aum !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Hari Aum! This explanation reminds me similar analogy given by the foremost Advaita acharya, Adi Jagadguru Sri Shankara Bhagavatpada in his 'ShatPadi Stotram' verse. 3, in relation to the Jiva and Parambrahman: satyapi bhedApaga me nAtha tavAham na mAmakI na stvaM, sAmudrohi taraGgaH kva ca na samudro na tAraGgaH. (3) O My Beloved Lord! It is very true that the waves belong to their origin, the ocean, though they seem to appear different from the ocean simultaneously. Qualitatively there is no difference between the ocean and the waves. But still there exists the difference. Since the origin, sustainer and destroyer of the waves is the ocean, waves cannot exist without the ocean. Similarly, there is simultaneous oneness and difference between the jivatmas, and Paramatma, between the individual soul and the Universal Soul, between the worlds (Jagat) and God. So I say that there is no differece between us as I only exist in relation to You and because of You. Truly speaking, I belong to You and You are my origin, sustainer and desroyer but not vice versa. **** More about 'Maya'- It is a Shakti, one of the innumerable Divine Powers of the Lord. zakti maan kee shaktiyaan aganit yadapi bakhaan, teen mahaan 'mAyA', 'jIva', aru, 'parA'tri shakti pradhaan. Lord Kishna possesses innumerable POWERS, out of which the THREE main are, Maya Sakti (External Cosmic Power), Jiva Sakti (Neutral Power of unlimited Souls) and Paraa Sakti(Internal Transcendental Power). jeeva tatastha shakti par, mAyA kar adhikaar, vastutastu yaha daasa hai, swami nanda kumaar. Jiva Sakti is a NEUTRAL POWER - Tatastha Sakti, which has been OVERPOWERED by INSENTIENT MAYA SAKTI since time IMMEMORIAL, although ITS TRUE NATURE is SERVITUDE of its MASTER, LORD KRISHNA. krishna bahirmukha jeeva kahan, maayaa karati adheen, taate bhoolyo aapu kahan, banyo vishaya rasa meen. The Individual soul has TURNED ITSELF AWAY FROM ITS MASTER, the Supreme Lord, since time immemorial. Hence, Maya Sakti has OVERPOWERED the Jiva. As a consequence, HAVING FORGOTTEN ITS ORIGINAL TRANSCENDAENTAL NATURE, the self (soul), the Jiva IDENTIFIES itself with the body and becomes attached to material subjects and objects. -'Bhakti Shatak'- 3,4,5 Jagadguru Sri Kripaluji Maharaj Lord Krishna declared in Bhagavadgita verse 7.14.: daivIhyeSA guNa mayI mama mAyA duratya yA mAmeva ye prapadyamte mAyAmetAm taramti te (Gita 7.14) "Verily this Divine Illusion of Mine, made up of the three Gunas (modes of material nature), is HARD to SURMOUNT!!! But those who take REFUGE in Me alone, CROSS OVER this Illusory POWER of Mine." kRSNa kRpA binu jAya nahi, mAyA ati balavAn, zaraNAgata para ho kRpA, yaha gItA ko jAn (Bhakti Shatak- 29, Jagadguru Sri Kripaluji) The essence of the philosophy taught in Gita is that no one can be liberated from the cluthes of powerful Maya Shakti without the mercy of the Lord. Lord Sri Krishna showers His grace only upon surrendered souls just as He declared in the verse 7.14. Jaya Sri Radhey! , s_v_c_s <no_reply> wrote: > Just adding my 2 cents....... > > The waves arise from the ocean. The exist for a short span of time > and finally merge back into the ocean. Then another wave arises, > exists for some time and merges back. Then another wave arises, and > this goes on and on. > > The wave is not real for it has only a limited existence. However it > is real for as long as it lasts. And this unreal/ partially real > cannot arise out of nothing. All things can arise only from the Truth > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2004 Report Share Posted May 5, 2004 Thanks dear pradeep,pyari, uma and svcs for the beautiful explanations on this subject. The example of waves and ocean is perfect and explains a lot abt maya and god. But the general perception of our people is that a spiritual person has to negate the universe and Maya. If we see any saint induldging in wordly activities, we normally start doubting his sainthood. Vedantin clearly shun Maya and feel it should best be forgotten as the universe is nothing but an illusions. Most of the teachings of our religion ask us to bid good bye to the wordly pleasures and at the best leave it where it is and go on a journey beyond. In my opinion, the negation of a Sanyasi (Negation of universe as Maya) is as imperfect as the negation of an athiest, or negation of a scientist, who do not believe in spirit and take matter as the only reality. Both these negations are imperfect ! If unverse were an illusion, fake and avoidable thing, then why did god make it in the first instance ? This question of Maya and God cannot be solved until we look into the relation between Spirit and Matter. In first hand experience both look like negating each other and rejecting the other for the sake of its own existence. It seems to, be it a scientist, or an ascetic, that truth can be reached only by accepting one of them as true and the other as illusion or non-existence. There is a specific purpose of the Universal consciousness to create mind which in turn creates the Universe. Rejecting or negating a Purna (Truth) coming out of Truth, will not solve our problem and we will continue lingering among the confusion of thoughts asking ourselves what is true or what is false, what is sin and what is virtue, what is god and what is Maya. What is relation between Spirit, Mind and matter ? Nachiketa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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