Hindu gods abused

[Guest guest]

Dear Prabhu, Please acept my humble obiesances! Ill try to answer your

question,Because i am Low Born,American, due to my Karma! If not, for the

Blazing Lamp of Knowlegde,that opened my eyes,forced then open By The Blazing

Light of Krsna,Then, I too,would have been Ingnorent,Like most American still

Are! AS i can see, They dont understand, due to Maha Maya,that they are

inflecting insults at the Hindu way, of Respecting the Lords, His Servants,His

devotees! They had no idea putting the Pictures of Gods, and demigods on thier

shoes, Was a Great offence! They have no idea, whats right or wrong! When my

Maha Gurudeva Srila Prabhupada,c ame to america,the first thing ,h e asked the

people who came to His Store front temple,was, to take your shoes off,before

entering! WE didnt understand, that we are walking in all dirt and garbage, and

to show respect,to the Vaisnavas and the Deity of the Lord, They must take their

shoes off!

 

You must remember ,that as well off materially, the americans are, They are

all mostly Low Born, Meat eating society! Only by our Gurus Grace, Actually, a

Speacial incarnation of Guru, did Srila Prabhupada, Teach us Americans,so many

things about spituallity! They are mostly Ingnorant, and even unknowing, that

they are committing great offences,a t the Hindue Faith and Vaisnava faith! My

parents even still , do not understand, when I say to my mother, Take Your shoes

off, You are comming into my Home, and the Home of Krsna! Though we were

lowborn, Srila Prabhupada changed our consciousness, Some even to Brahmina, some

to Swami! I myself am a Householder, But these designations are not born ,

within this age of Kali, they are given, to how you act! Is someone born a

Brhamina, still a Brahmina, if he eats meat! Americans are melechas, But that

can be changed, By the Mercy of Guru! We are not these Bodies, whither born a

Melechctha or a Brahmin!! I am just trying to explain, and not offend anyone!

Please understand this!

Your Humble Servant,Jaya Kesava dasa

 

 

 

 

 

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"the-hermit" <the-hermit

 

After arriving here and discussing with my Hindu friends, i got some

idea as to why Hindus are mocked at and insulted by others. Still can

anybody enlighten me?

[Guest guest]

Dr yadu ji

 

Please read the reply of Tatwamasi you will get answer.

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Krsnajoe: Thankyou very much Pyare. Your reply was lovely, your

language sweet and your style very humble. I love you.

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Tatwamasi - thankyou for vetting my views about hindus. Your post was

a re-write of my earlier posts (but you seemed to be more worried

over death of muslims and nothing for 51 hindus charred alive in

Godhra ?) Anyhow thanks for accepting that hindus are not as great as

they claim to be.

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Dr. Nachiketa wrote "women have high respect in Hindu religion and

they are thought to be Ad-shakthi. Tatwamasi's post contradicts you,

when she writes that there are tortures against hindu women

 

Who insulted Dropadi in Mahabharata ? It was not Duryodhan, it

was her own husband, who lost his wife in gambling.

 

So as per your post should we treat all women like Adi-shakti.

What about millions of prostitutes, and thousands of women induldged

in crimes, how can we treat all of them with respect which is due for

adi-shakti.

 

Wat makes a woman to get respect like Durga ?

 

sat sri akaal

[Guest guest]

> Dr. Nachiketa wrote "women have high respect in Hindu religion and

> they are thought to be Ad-shakthi. Tatwamasi's post contradicts

you,

> when she writes that there are tortures against hindu women

>

> Who insulted Dropadi in Mahabharata ? It was not Duryodhan, it

> was her own husband, who lost his wife in gambling.

>

> So as per your post should we treat all women like Adi-shakti.

> What about millions of prostitutes, and thousands of women

induldged

> in crimes, how can we treat all of them with respect which is due

for

> adi-shakti.

>

> Wat makes a woman to get respect like Durga ?

>

> sat sri akaal

 

Tatwamasi's post did not contradict my views. We are

discussing here the Truths of hinduism, and if some hindus do not

follow those truths faithfully, or have doubts about them, those

TRUTHS do not alter.

 

All women have the energy of Ad-shakti. This additional energy is

given to a woman (rather all females), to mother the future. Even if

some women misuse(?) those energies, they remain shaktis.

 

Those women who fully invoke this "Motherly" energy, are to be

respected like Mother Durga. Those women will have mother like

affection for anyone. They get satisfied when they serve. Their

physical behaviour or their profession does not hide this energy.

 

another thing if we start looking at all women like Shakti, Mother

Durga will show us the love hidden behind all faces and we will be

able to see the eternal energy working through them.

 

Hari AUM

[Guest guest]

Namaskar Jaya Kesava dasa,

 

I read your post here and got quite offended by the contents. I, too,

was born an American. Why would you consider Americans to be "Low

Born"? Because some people choose to eat meat? What about Hindus who

eat meat (my husband being one of them)? Are they "Low Born" as well?

 

One bad apple doesn't spoil the bunch, and a few bad apples just make

the good apples look that much better.

 

There are some of us who understand that walking on sandals with

Ganesh on them is offensive. There are people out there who, despite

being non-Hindu themselves, are respectful and accepting of the Hindu

way of life. I do not think that you should make such judgements and

generalizations! Not all Americans are spiritually ignorant, just as

all Hindus are not spiritually enlightened. Spirituality is a

personal issue rather than a given. ALL people have to work at their

spirituality, not just Americans!

 

It is true that some people are ignorant to others ways of life. Is

it not true of societies other than American? Yes! By perpetuating

stereotypes, you only regress any progress that has been made.

 

Just my 2c.

 

With love,

Erica

 

 

, "Jaya Kesava Dasa Fullman"

<krsnajoe@h...> wrote:

> Dear Prabhu, Please acept my humble obiesances! Ill try to answer

your question,Because i am Low Born,American, due to my Karma! If

not, for the Blazing Lamp of Knowlegde,that opened my eyes,forced

then open By The Blazing Light of Krsna,Then, I too,would have been

Ingnorent,Like most American still Are! AS i can see, They dont

understand, due to Maha Maya,that they are inflecting insults at the

[Guest guest]

Yes, absolutely!

 

Hindus religion may be the oldest continuous, most comprehensive,

most inclusive religion in the world, but that doesn't automatically

imply that all Hindus are perfect people! Just because we have a

bhandar (storage) filled with nectar, it doesn't mean everyone is

drinking it.

 

Similarly, even though Hinduism places women on the highest level

doesn't imply they are living that potential! Potentiality of Adi

Shakti, or use of such names doesn't impart the qualities!! It has

to be consciously invoked, lived, and acted on moment to moment. Tat

Twam Asi implies you have the potential of being "THAT" - "Brahman";

whether one choses to live it is a choice! Every being has the

energy of the potential but if an individual chooses to behave less

than their potential, one can't blame the system for it!

 

More importantly it is precisely because all human beings are

not "perfect", no matter what religion they are born into and that

we are here stuck in the cycle of births and deaths. The whole idea

of these birth is the slow process of realizing their inherent

capability.

 

_/\_ Tat twam asi

 

Uma

 

 

, dr_nachiketa <no_reply> wrote:

>> Tatwamasi's post did not contradict my views.

[Guest guest]

Dear dr.nachiketa ,

 

You state

 

All women have the energy of Ad-shakti. This additional energy is

given to a woman (rather all females), to mother the future. Even

if some women misuse(?) those energies, they remain shaktis.

 

Yes, this is true of many women 0 they misuse their "shakthi" in

whatever way they can but as you rightly said , they are

still "shaktis" - even the hreat great mother goddess has both "gora"

and "sowmya" rupas . In her "sowmya" rupa, she is a boon giver - vara

dayini ! in her gora rupa, she is also a "disciplinarian"!

 

dr.nachketa , you conclude yoir post with these powerful words ...

 

nother thing if we start looking at all women like Shakti, Mother

Durga will show us the love hidden behind all faces and we will be

able to see the eternal energy working through them.

 

Dr.,nachiketa - i would like to share with you a story from caitanya

caritamrita ...

 

Here is a nice story from Sri Chaitanya Charitamrita.

 

After leaving his home, Haridasa Thakura stayed for some time in the

forest of Benapola. Haridasa Thakura constructed a cottage in a

solitary forest. There he planted a tulasi plant, and in front of the

tulasi he would chant the holy name of the Lord 300,000 times daily.

He chanted throughout the entire day and night. For his bodily

maintenance he would go to a brahmana's house and beg some food. He

was spiritually so influential that all the neighboring people

worshiped him.

 

A landholder named Ramachandra Khan was the zamindar of that

district. He was envious of Vaisnavas and was therefore a great

atheist. Unable to tolerate that such respect was being offered to

Haridasa Thakura, Ramachandra Khan planned in various ways to

dishonor him. By no means could he find any fault in the character of

Haridasa Thakura. Therefore he called for local prostitutes and began

a plan to discredit His Holiness.

 

Ramachandra Khan said to the prostitutes, "There is a mendicant named

Haridasa Thakura. All of you devise a way to deviate him from his

vows of austerity." Among the prostitutes, one attractive young girl

was selected."I shall attract the mind of Haridasa Thakura," she

promised, "within three days." Ramachandra Khan said to the

prostitute,"My constable will go with you so that as soon as he sees

you with Haridasa Thakura, immediately he will arrest him and bring

both of you to me." The prostitute replied,"First let me have union

with him once; then the second time I shall take your constable with

me to arrest him."

 

At night the prostitute, after dressing herself most attractively,

went to the cottage of Haridasa Thakura with great jubilation. After

offering obeisances to the tulasi plant, she went to the door of

Haridasa Thakura, offered him obeisances and stood there. Exposing

part of her body to his view, she sat down on the threshold of the

door and spoke to him in very sweet words. "My dear Thakura, O great

preacher, great devotee, you are so beautifully built, and your youth

is just beginning. Who is the woman who could control her mind after

seeing you? I am eager to be united with you. My mind is greedy for

this. If I don't obtain you, I shall not be able to keep my body and

soul together."

 

Haridasa Thakura replied,"I shall accept you without fall, but you

will have to wait until I have finished chanting my regular rounds on

my beads. Until that time, please sit and listen to the chanting of

the holy name. As soon as I am finished, I shall fulfill your

desire." Hearing this, the prostitute remained sitting there while

Haridasa Thakura chanted on his beads until the light of morning

appeared. When she saw that it was morning, the prostitute stood up

and left. Coming before Ramachandra Khan, she informed him of all the

news. "Today Haridasa Thakura has promised to enjoy with me. Tomorrow

certainly I shall have union with him."

 

The next night, when the prostitute came again, Haridasa Thakura gave

her many assurances. "Last night you were disappointed. Please excuse

my offense. I shall certainly accept you. Please sit down and hear

the chanting of the Hare Krsna maha-mantra until my regular chanting

is finished. Then your desire will surely be fulfilled." After

offering her obeisances to the tulasi plant and Haridasa Thakura, she

sat down at the door. Hearing Haridasa Thakura chanting the Hare

Krsna mantra, she also chanted,"O my Lord Hari, O my Lord Hari." When

the night came to an end, the prostitute was restless. Seeing this,

Haridasa Thakura spoke to her as follows. "I have vowed to chant ten

million names in a month. I have taken this vow, but now it is

nearing its end. I thought that today I would be able to finish my

performance of yajna, my chanting of the Hare Krsna mantra. I tried

my best to chant the holy name all night, but I still did not finish.

Tomorrow I will surely finish, and my vow will be fulfilled. Then it

will be possible for me to enjoy with you in full freedom."

 

The prostitute returned to Ramachandra Khan and informed him of what

had happened. The next day she came earlier, at the beginning of the

evening, and stayed with Haridasa Thakura. After offering obeisances

to the tulasi plant and Haridasa Thakura, she sat down on the

threshold of the room. Thus she began to hear Haridasa Thakura's

chanting, and she also personally chanted "Hari, Hari," the holy name

of the Lord. "Today it will be possible for me to finish my

chanting," Haridasa Thakura informed her. "Then I shall satisfy all

your desires." The night ended while Haridasa Thakura was chanting,

but by his association the mind of the prostitute had changed.

 

The prostitute, now purified, fell at the lotus feet of Haridasa

Thakura and confessed that Ramachandra Khan had appointed her to

pollute him. "Because I have taken the profession of a prostitute,"

she said, "I have performed unlimited sinful acts. My lord, be

merciful to me. Deliver my fallen soul." Haridasa Thakura replied, "I

know everything about the conspiracy of Ramachandra Khan. He is

nothing but an ignorant fool. Therefore his activities do not make me

feel unhappy. On the very day Ramachandra Khan was planning his

intrigue against me, I would have left this place immediately, but

because you came to me I stayed here for three days to deliver you."

 

The prostitute said, "Kindly act as my spiritual master. Instruct me

in my duty by which to get relief from material existence." Haridasa

Thakura replied, "Immediately go home and distribute to the brahmanas

whatever property you have. Then come back to this room and stay here

forever in Krsna consciousness. Chant the Hare Krsna mantra

continuously and render service to the tulasi plant by watering her

and offering prayers to her. In this way you will very soon get the

opportunity to be sheltered at the lotus feet of Krsna."

 

After thus instructing the prostitute about the process of chanting

the Hare Krsna mantra, Haridasa Thakura stood up and left,

continuously chanting "Hari, Hari." Thereafter, the prostitute

distributed to the brahmanas whatever household possessions she had,

following the order of her spiritual master. The prostitute shaved

her head clean in accordance with Vaisnava principles and stayed in

that room wearing only one cloth. Following in the footsteps of her

spiritual master, she began chanting the Hare Krsna maha-mantra

300,000 times a day. She chanted throughout the entire day and night.

She worshiped the tulasi plant, following in the footsteps of her

spiritual master. Instead of eating regularly, she chewed whatever

food she received as alms, and if nothing was supplied she would

fast.

 

Thus by eating frugally and fasting she conquered her senses, and as

soon as her senses were controlled, symptoms of love of Godhead

appeared in her person. Thus the prostitute became a celebrated

devotee. She became very advanced in spiritual life, and many

stalwart Vaisnavas would come to see her. Seeing the sublime

character of the prostitute, everyone was astonished. Everyone

glorified the influence of Haridasa Thakura and offered him

obeisances.

 

 

from the iskcon archives

 

The moral of the story is when one is in satsangathi (in the company

of a true devotee of the lord) , even a prostitute gets transformed

and becomes a devotee !

 

also, when a sandalwood tree is cut by an axe, the axe also gets the

fragrance of the sandalwood!