Guest guest Posted March 19, 2002 Report Share Posted March 19, 2002 Om Sankarrukku, my friend When you quote the Buddhist Govinda and then say, " I believe that the Bija Mantra does not affect the TM practioner.", I trust that you do not mean that the TM practitioner does not have the proper "spiritual attitude, knowledge and responsiveness" and is not capable of Japa that cannot be heard "by the ears but only by the heart, and cannot be uttered by the mouth but only by the mind." And when you say, "Again in Mantra Yoga single Beeja Mantra are used rarely.", I assume that you are excluding the use of the Bija Mantra, OM. Om namah Sivaya Omprem PS As fascinating as the topic of Mantras is, is it not much better, much more interesting and more enlightening to meditate with Mantras rather than talking about them? , "sankarrukku" <sankarrukku> wrote: > Pujya Omprem > > Thank you for the lucid explanation of the Bija Mantras and their use. > > I was talking only about Bija mantras as they are used in Transcendal > meditation. In TM you are not told about the significance of the > mantra. So the practitioner does not know that it is a Bija mantra. > Abut the effect of the Bija mantra > > I give below the words of a Buddhist Govinda > > The power and the effect of the Mantra depend on the spiritual > attitude, the knowledge and responsiveness of the individual. The > sabda or sound of the Mantra is not a physical sound (though it may > be accompanied by such a one) but a spiritual one. It cannot be heard > by the ears but only by the heart, and it cannot be uttered by the > mouth but only by the mind. > > So I believe that the Bija Mantra does not affect the TM practioner. > This has been my experience with TM. > > In Mantra Yoga every Deity has a Bija mantra associated with it. > > Gham - Ganapathi > Kreem - KAALI > Shreem - Lakshmi > Kleem - Krishna > Aim - Saraswathi > Hrim - The Saktha/Tantrik equivalent of OM - Bhuvaneshwari > Hlrim - Bagalamukhi > Dhum - Durga > and so on. > > Again in Mantra Yoga single Beeja Mantra are used rarely. It is > always one or more Beeja mantras with some other words. > The only Bija mantra that is used alone is Hrim. It is called Suddha > Bhuvaneshwari mantra. But the Diksha is given only to a person who is > an advanced Sadhaka. There are some mantras and also worship of some > deities, which are intensely purgative in nature. These are not > suitable for most of the people. > > Though Mantras are used in Hatha Yoga, Laya yoga, Jnana yoga, Raja > yoga and Bhakthi yoga, it is in Mantra yoga that they are used > exclusively. Because of the wide misuse of mantras, nowadays noone > wants to call himself a Mantric. > > I love talking about Mantras. > > Jai MAA KAALI !!! > > Sankar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2002 Report Share Posted March 19, 2002 Bija Mantras are at heart in many meditation mantras. Meditation mantras according to Ananda Marga Yoga have three qualities, only one of which I care to discuss now especially in relation to TM. The three characteristics are pulsative, incantative and ideative. -Pulsative is what inbterests me right now. TM uses the Sri Vidya mantras em, im, hrim, shrim, krim but adds a syllable so for instance the mantras are then, ema, ima, hirim, shirim, kirim. I just want to know how Maharishi obtained this knowledge. He originally just used two mantras ram and shyam - Rama and Krishna bijam. So how did he make these mantras up? How does one decide what letters to add to the original bija to make it transcendental? For instance would one take doom for Durga and say dooma, or say doo womb? The point being that Mahesh is not heir to Jyotirmath Shank seat and not even sanyasin. He can own Holy Tradition just as one can say, "My hamburgers are in McDonald's tradition" but that doesn't mean they are endorsed or appreciated by McDonalds just as MMY isn't necessarily endorsed or appreciated by Shank seats. AMY - http://www.anandamarga.org/mantra.htm ---- Original Message ----- omprem Tuesday, March 19, 2002 8:42 PM Re: TM - Meditation and Bija Mantras Om Sankarrukku, my friend When you quote the Buddhist Govinda and then say, " I believe that the Bija Mantra does not affect the TM practioner.", I trust that you do not mean that the TM practitioner does not have the proper "spiritual attitude, knowledge and responsiveness" and is not capable of Japa that cannot be heard "by the ears but only by the heart, and cannot be uttered by the mouth but only by the mind." And when you say, "Again in Mantra Yoga single Beeja Mantra are used rarely.", I assume that you are excluding the use of the Bija Mantra, OM. Om namah Sivaya Omprem PS As fascinating as the topic of Mantras is, is it not much better, much more interesting and more enlightening to meditate with Mantras rather than talking about them? , "sankarrukku" <sankarrukku> wrote: > Pujya Omprem > > Thank you for the lucid explanation of the Bija Mantras and their use. > > I was talking only about Bija mantras as they are used in Transcendal > meditation. In TM you are not told about the significance of the > mantra. So the practitioner does not know that it is a Bija mantra. > Abut the effect of the Bija mantra > > I give below the words of a Buddhist Govinda > > The power and the effect of the Mantra depend on the spiritual > attitude, the knowledge and responsiveness of the individual. The > sabda or sound of the Mantra is not a physical sound (though it may > be accompanied by such a one) but a spiritual one. It cannot be heard > by the ears but only by the heart, and it cannot be uttered by the > mouth but only by the mind. > > So I believe that the Bija Mantra does not affect the TM practioner. > This has been my experience with TM. > > In Mantra Yoga every Deity has a Bija mantra associated with it. > > Gham - Ganapathi > Kreem - KAALI > Shreem - Lakshmi > Kleem - Krishna > Aim - Saraswathi > Hrim - The Saktha/Tantrik equivalent of OM - Bhuvaneshwari > Hlrim - Bagalamukhi > Dhum - Durga > and so on. > > Again in Mantra Yoga single Beeja Mantra are used rarely. It is > always one or more Beeja mantras with some other words. > The only Bija mantra that is used alone is Hrim. It is called Suddha > Bhuvaneshwari mantra. But the Diksha is given only to a person who is > an advanced Sadhaka. There are some mantras and also worship of some > deities, which are intensely purgative in nature. These are not > suitable for most of the people. > > Though Mantras are used in Hatha Yoga, Laya yoga, Jnana yoga, Raja > yoga and Bhakthi yoga, it is in Mantra yoga that they are used > exclusively. Because of the wide misuse of mantras, nowadays noone > wants to call himself a Mantric. > > I love talking about Mantras. > > Jai MAA KAALI !!! > > Sankar Sponsor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2002 Report Share Posted March 22, 2002 ******** ******** ******** ******** ******** ******** ******** ******** ******** ******** ******** ******** ******** ******** ******** ******** ******** Blessed self Omprem jee, I remember once you gave a beautiful explanation of AUM during our chat.... Could you kindly post it here, as it may benefit many. Hari AUM , omprem <no_reply> wrote: > Om Sankarrukku, my friend > > When you quote the Buddhist Govinda and then say, " I believe > that the Bija Mantra does not affect the TM practioner.", I trust that > you do not mean that the TM practitioner does not have the > proper "spiritual attitude, knowledge and responsiveness" and is > not capable of Japa that cannot be heard "by the ears but only by > the heart, and cannot be uttered by the mouth but only by the > mind." > > And when you say, "Again in Mantra Yoga single Beeja Mantra > are used rarely.", I assume that you are excluding the use of the > Bija Mantra, OM. > > Om namah Sivaya > > Omprem > > PS As fascinating as the topic of Mantras is, is it not much > better, much more interesting and more enlightening to meditate > with Mantras rather than talking about them? > > , "sankarrukku" <sankarrukku> wrote: > > Pujya Omprem > > > > Thank you for the lucid explanation of the Bija Mantras and their > use. > > > > I was talking only about Bija mantras as they are used in > Transcendal > > meditation. In TM you are not told about the significance of the > > mantra. So the practitioner does not know that it is a Bija > mantra. > > Abut the effect of the Bija mantra > > > > I give below the words of a Buddhist Govinda > > > > The power and the effect of the Mantra depend on the spiritual > > attitude, the knowledge and responsiveness of the individual. > The > > sabda or sound of the Mantra is not a physical sound (though it > may > > be accompanied by such a one) but a spiritual one. It cannot > be heard > > by the ears but only by the heart, and it cannot be uttered by the > > mouth but only by the mind. > > > > So I believe that the Bija Mantra does not affect the TM > practioner. > > This has been my experience with TM. > > > > In Mantra Yoga every Deity has a Bija mantra associated with it. > > > > Gham - Ganapathi > > Kreem - KAALI > > Shreem - Lakshmi > > Kleem - Krishna > > Aim - Saraswathi > > Hrim - The Saktha/Tantrik equivalent of OM - Bhuvaneshwari > > Hlrim - Bagalamukhi > > Dhum - Durga > > and so on. > > > > Again in Mantra Yoga single Beeja Mantra are used rarely. It is > > always one or more Beeja mantras with some other words. > > The only Bija mantra that is used alone is Hrim. It is called > Suddha > > Bhuvaneshwari mantra. But the Diksha is given only to a > person who is > > an advanced Sadhaka. There are some mantras and also > worship of some > > deities, which are intensely purgative in nature. These are not > > suitable for most of the people. > > > > Though Mantras are used in Hatha Yoga, Laya yoga, Jnana > yoga, Raja > > yoga and Bhakthi yoga, it is in Mantra yoga that they are used > > exclusively. Because of the wide misuse of mantras, > nowadays noone > > wants to call himself a Mantric. > > > > I love talking about Mantras. > > > > Jai MAA KAALI !!! > > > > Sankar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2002 Report Share Posted March 23, 2002 Om Silentsoul I'm unable to remember the specifics of that chat. If you could give me a few clues, they might trigger my thoughts. There are many ways to approach OM, as you know, but here are a couple of ways that I use to with students in the hatha yoga and meditation classes that I teach: 1. Often, I simply explain the symbolism of the sanscrit symbol for OM. Starting with the part that looks like 3, the top loop signifies our waking moments and the bottom loop signifies our dream state. The loop extending out from the middle where those two loops meet, signifies our deep, dreamless state. This deep, dreamless state is when the soul rests in Brahman. Patanjali tells us that when the mind is still (i.e. no content, dreamless), the perceiver rests in his own true nature. (Raja Yoga Sutras 1:3). Unfortunately, we have no conscious of this deep, dreamless state. Together, these three loops represent the Jiva. Next, I draw their attention to the bindu, expaining that this symbolizes Brahman. Finally, I point out the crescent that separates the Jiva from Brahman and explain that this represents Maya, the veiling force that keeps us separate from realizing Brahman, from realizing our own true nature as a manifestation of Brahman. The rest of the talk focuses on Maya and how we can overcome it. 2. Sometimes, I explain one way of doing Japa on AUM, saying start by repeating AUM out loud and feel the vibration of the A in the chest, feel the vibration of the U in the throat, and feel the vibration of the M in the head. When the class has been chanting AUM aloud for a few moments and is beginning to focus on those vibrations and their qualities, then, I explain that the most important part of AUM is the silence after each repetition and before the next repetition. The class can then also focus on that silence and notice how it changes with continued repetition. After chanting AUM for a while, I ask the class to gradually lower the loudness of the chant, being quieter and quieter until finally they are chanting AUM silently to themselves. Finally, I ask them to dive deep into the silence of AUM, to taste the silence, hear the silence, feel the silence, be the silence. Om namah Sivaya Omprem , silentsoul_55 <no_reply> wrote: > ******** > ******** > ******** > ******** > ******** > ******** > ******** > ******** > ******** > ******** > ******** > ******** > ******** > ******** > ******** > ******** > ******** > > Blessed self Omprem jee, I remember once you gave a beautiful > explanation of AUM during our chat.... > > Could you kindly post it here, as it may benefit many. > > Hari AUM > > > , omprem <no_reply> wrote: > > Om Sankarrukku, my friend > > > > When you quote the Buddhist Govinda and then say, " I believe > > that the Bija Mantra does not affect the TM practioner.", I trust > that > > you do not mean that the TM practitioner does not have the > > proper "spiritual attitude, knowledge and responsiveness" and is > > not capable of Japa that cannot be heard "by the ears but only by > > the heart, and cannot be uttered by the mouth but only by the > > mind." > > > > And when you say, "Again in Mantra Yoga single Beeja Mantra > > are used rarely.", I assume that you are excluding the use of the > > Bija Mantra, OM. > > > > Om namah Sivaya > > > > Omprem > > > > PS As fascinating as the topic of Mantras is, is it not much > > better, much more interesting and more enlightening to meditate > > with Mantras rather than talking about them? > > > > , "sankarrukku" <sankarrukku> wrote: > > > Pujya Omprem > > > > > > Thank you for the lucid explanation of the Bija Mantras and their > > use. > > > > > > I was talking only about Bija mantras as they are used in > > Transcendal > > > meditation. In TM you are not told about the significance of the > > > mantra. So the practitioner does not know that it is a Bija > > mantra. > > > Abut the effect of the Bija mantra > > > > > > I give below the words of a Buddhist Govinda > > > > > > The power and the effect of the Mantra depend on the spiritual > > > attitude, the knowledge and responsiveness of the individual. > > The > > > sabda or sound of the Mantra is not a physical sound (though it > > may > > > be accompanied by such a one) but a spiritual one. It cannot > > be heard > > > by the ears but only by the heart, and it cannot be uttered by > the > > > mouth but only by the mind. > > > > > > So I believe that the Bija Mantra does not affect the TM > > practioner. > > > This has been my experience with TM. > > > > > > In Mantra Yoga every Deity has a Bija mantra associated with it. > > > > > > Gham - Ganapathi > > > Kreem - KAALI > > > Shreem - Lakshmi > > > Kleem - Krishna > > > Aim - Saraswathi > > > Hrim - The Saktha/Tantrik equivalent of OM - Bhuvaneshwari > > > Hlrim - Bagalamukhi > > > Dhum - Durga > > > and so on. > > > > > > Again in Mantra Yoga single Beeja Mantra are used rarely. It is > > > always one or more Beeja mantras with some other words. > > > The only Bija mantra that is used alone is Hrim. It is called > > Suddha > > > Bhuvaneshwari mantra. But the Diksha is given only to a > > person who is > > > an advanced Sadhaka. There are some mantras and also > > worship of some > > > deities, which are intensely purgative in nature. These are not > > > suitable for most of the people. > > > > > > Though Mantras are used in Hatha Yoga, Laya yoga, Jnana > > yoga, Raja > > > yoga and Bhakthi yoga, it is in Mantra yoga that they are used > > > exclusively. Because of the wide misuse of mantras, > > nowadays noone > > > wants to call himself a Mantric. > > > > > > I love talking about Mantras. > > > > > > Jai MAA KAALI !!! > > > > > > Sankar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2002 Report Share Posted March 25, 2002 Thanks respected omprem ji, you connected the right thread...and you explained wisely about Aum. Aum is my personal Mantra ever since I started on the path of sadhna (though i do induldge in japa of different Mantras side by side for local reasons). One Higher soul, once advised me not to induldge in Aum Sadhna as it is dangerous for those who are in the domestic life and have family and are busy in society. How far this is correct as per your experience ?? Hari Aum , omprem <no_reply> wrote: > Om Silentsoul > > I'm unable to remember the specifics of that chat. If you could > give me a few clues, they might trigger my thoughts. > > There are many ways to approach OM, as you know, but here are > a couple of ways that I use to with students in the hatha yoga and > meditation classes that I teach: > > 1. Often, I simply explain the symbolism of the sanscrit symbol > for OM. Starting with the part that looks like 3, the top loop > signifies our waking moments and the bottom loop signifies our > dream state. The loop extending out from the middle where > those two loops meet, signifies our deep, dreamless state. This > deep, dreamless state is when the soul rests in Brahman. > Patanjali tells us that when the mind is still (i.e. no content, > dreamless), the perceiver rests in his own true nature. (Raja > Yoga Sutras 1:3). Unfortunately, we have no conscious of this > deep, dreamless state. Together, these three loops represent > the Jiva. > > Next, I draw their attention to the bindu, expaining that this > symbolizes Brahman. Finally, I point out the crescent that > separates the Jiva from Brahman and explain that this > represents Maya, the veiling force that keeps us separate from > realizing Brahman, from realizing our own true nature as a > manifestation of Brahman. The rest of the talk focuses on Maya > and how we can overcome it. > > > 2. Sometimes, I explain one way of doing Japa on AUM, saying > start by repeating AUM out loud and feel the vibration of the A in > the chest, feel the vibration of the U in the throat, and feel the > vibration of the M in the head. When the class has been chanting > AUM aloud for a few moments and is beginning to focus on > those vibrations and their qualities, then, I explain that the most > important part of AUM is the silence after each repetition and > before the next repetition. The class can then also focus on that > silence and notice how it changes with continued repetition. After > chanting AUM for a while, I ask the class to gradually lower the > loudness of the chant, being quieter and quieter until finally they > are chanting AUM silently to themselves. Finally, I ask them to > dive deep into the silence of AUM, to taste the silence, hear the > silence, feel the silence, be the silence. > > > Om namah Sivaya > > Omprem > > > > , silentsoul_55 <no_reply> wrote: > > ******** > > ******** > > ******** > > ******** > > ******** > > ******** > > ******** > > ******** > > ******** > > ******** > > ******** > > ******** > > ******** > > ******** > > ******** > > ******** > > ******** > > > > Blessed self Omprem jee, I remember once you gave a > beautiful > > explanation of AUM during our chat.... > > > > Could you kindly post it here, as it may benefit many. > > > > Hari AUM > > > > > > , omprem <no_reply> wrote: > > > Om Sankarrukku, my friend > > > > > > When you quote the Buddhist Govinda and then say, " I > believe > > > that the Bija Mantra does not affect the TM practioner.", I trust > > that > > > you do not mean that the TM practitioner does not have the > > > proper "spiritual attitude, knowledge and responsiveness" > and is > > > not capable of Japa that cannot be heard "by the ears but > only by > > > the heart, and cannot be uttered by the mouth but only by the > > > mind." > > > > > > And when you say, "Again in Mantra Yoga single Beeja > Mantra > > > are used rarely.", I assume that you are excluding the use of > the > > > Bija Mantra, OM. > > > > > > Om namah Sivaya > > > > > > Omprem > > > > > > PS As fascinating as the topic of Mantras is, is it not much > > > better, much more interesting and more enlightening to > meditate > > > with Mantras rather than talking about them? > > > > > > , "sankarrukku" <sankarrukku> > wrote: > > > > Pujya Omprem > > > > > > > > Thank you for the lucid explanation of the Bija Mantras and > their > > > use. > > > > > > > > I was talking only about Bija mantras as they are used in > > > Transcendal > > > > meditation. In TM you are not told about the significance of > the > > > > mantra. So the practitioner does not know that it is a Bija > > > mantra. > > > > Abut the effect of the Bija mantra > > > > > > > > I give below the words of a Buddhist Govinda > > > > > > > > The power and the effect of the Mantra depend on the > spiritual > > > > attitude, the knowledge and responsiveness of the > individual. > > > The > > > > sabda or sound of the Mantra is not a physical sound > (though it > > > may > > > > be accompanied by such a one) but a spiritual one. It > cannot > > > be heard > > > > by the ears but only by the heart, and it cannot be uttered by > > the > > > > mouth but only by the mind. > > > > > > > > So I believe that the Bija Mantra does not affect the TM > > > practioner. > > > > This has been my experience with TM. > > > > > > > > In Mantra Yoga every Deity has a Bija mantra associated > with it. > > > > > > > > Gham - Ganapathi > > > > Kreem - KAALI > > > > Shreem - Lakshmi > > > > Kleem - Krishna > > > > Aim - Saraswathi > > > > Hrim - The Saktha/Tantrik equivalent of OM - > Bhuvaneshwari > > > > Hlrim - Bagalamukhi > > > > Dhum - Durga > > > > and so on. > > > > > > > > Again in Mantra Yoga single Beeja Mantra are used rarely. > It is > > > > always one or more Beeja mantras with some other words. > > > > The only Bija mantra that is used alone is Hrim. It is called > > > Suddha > > > > Bhuvaneshwari mantra. But the Diksha is given only to a > > > person who is > > > > an advanced Sadhaka. There are some mantras and also > > > worship of some > > > > deities, which are intensely purgative in nature. These are > not > > > > suitable for most of the people. > > > > > > > > Though Mantras are used in Hatha Yoga, Laya yoga, Jnana > > > yoga, Raja > > > > yoga and Bhakthi yoga, it is in Mantra yoga that they are > used > > > > exclusively. Because of the wide misuse of mantras, > > > nowadays noone > > > > wants to call himself a Mantric. > > > > > > > > I love talking about Mantras. > > > > > > > > Jai MAA KAALI !!! > > > > > > > > Sankar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2002 Report Share Posted March 25, 2002 Dear silentsoul_55, I am surprised to to find that a higher soul advised you not to indulge in Aum Sadhana. Either the person is a fool or a rascal. Anyone can start Aum Sadhana. It is taken up basically by the Gyan Margis. And there is strict Rule that one has to take the Mantra from a Guru and must be initiated along with the ceremonial Abhishek. I shall be glad to hear more. kumarshankar2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2002 Report Share Posted March 25, 2002 What silentsoul_55 says is not entirely not offhand. It needs to be taken up with a bigger picture in mind. Meditation generally awakens kundilini and repitition of OM in a deep meditative state will awaken kundalini and sometimes, its nice to have a guru to guide, who will usually be available. If the kundalini is woken up the tantrik way, then it will have to pass through the centre or the sushma between the solar and the lunar plexus and deviation can cause mood upsets and sometimes death. This is not an issue if we treat death as a passing state. :-) Besides, when sages(I ma assuming) tell things to invididuals as to that individual, its usually keeping the persons make up/build up in mind and may not apply to all. Besides, the method advised by ompremji is what is ideally taught in Raja Yoga classes. That is how I was taught to meditate when I used to attend discourses/classes many years ago. OM can be repeated by anyone, but when it starts hgetting serious, its nice to have a guru nearby, although one will usually be available. I know what I am saying could be confusing to some, but hope it helps. :-) Regards, Seshadri. , "kumarshankar2000" <kumarshankar2000> wrote: > Dear silentsoul_55, > > I am surprised to to find that a higher soul advised you not to > indulge in Aum Sadhana. Either the person is a fool or a rascal. > > Anyone can start Aum Sadhana. It is taken up basically by the Gyan > Margis. And there is strict Rule that one has to take the Mantra from > a Guru and must be initiated along with the ceremonial Abhishek. > > I shall be glad to hear more. > > kumarshankar2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2002 Report Share Posted March 25, 2002 Aum Sadhana is the best of all the Sadhanas. I am also surprised that someone advised you not to do this. I agree with Kumarshankar 2000 that either the person is a fool or a rascal. I agree that without initiation chanting Aum may create serious problems. Sometimes in India the Indian Gurus also advise the Women not to Chant the Aum as it may create some problem in the house. It has many good sides and has contradictory effects too. Actually AUM leads the Sadhaka to higher levels of Sadhana. When it starts working then the Sadhaka is made free by the vibration of the Mantra - then the sadhaka really feels "who is his wife or who are his children" he stops caring for any one except for himself and his Sadhana. And usually leaves everything worldly. Becomes a real Sadhaka, a real Yogi either the worldly things leave him or he walks out of the Maya. Respected silentsoul_55 I visited your website and find that you are a great sadhaka. And a Sadhaka properly initiated by a Guru has nothing to fear. There are some more restrictions imposed by the Conservative Gurus - that the Sadhaka should be guided by the strict religious dictums and must lead a good family life. If not the sadhaka before starting the AUM Sadhana is advised to perform the Yagyas for Shanti Swastayan etc. joylopamudra , "kumarshankar2000" <kumarshankar2000> wrote: > Dear silentsoul_55, > > I am surprised to to find that a higher soul advised you not to > indulge in Aum Sadhana. Either the person is a fool or a rascal. > > Anyone can start Aum Sadhana. It is taken up basically by the Gyan > Margis. And there is strict Rule that one has to take the Mantra from > a Guru and must be initiated along with the ceremonial Abhishek. > > I shall be glad to hear more. > > kumarshankar2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2002 Report Share Posted March 25, 2002 Om Blessed Self Silentsoul According to Swami Vishnu-devananda, AUM is the the universal Mantra, usable by all, especially those who have been unable to find a Guru. But because of the abstract nature of AUM, it is difficult for the householder distracted by the affairs of the world and the heart to fully appreciate the significance of AUM. It may be difficult, for example, to concentrate enought to be aware of the vibration changes that occur when chanting AUM, and even more difficult to appreciate the differences in the silence after chanting AUM and to maintain a focus on the silence. Also, a busy mind may resist the transformative qualities of AUM because of fear of the unknown. And. lastly, as with all abstract Mantras, AUM can lead to one being overwhelmed with the vastness, the limitlessness, the grandeur and the power presented by these Mantras so that the person is either unable to function well in the phenomenal world, or, alternatively, his/her ego becomes inflated by the ability to access these other realms that they do not act with humility and respect in the phenomenal world. The use of all Mantras should include the sadhanas of purification (of all the bodies, and of all expressions whether thought, word and deed), one-pointedness of mind, and surrender to God. If these three are present, as they seem to be in your case, the Mantra will guide the sadhak to God. Om namah Sivaya Omprem , silentsoul_55 <no_reply> wrote: > Thanks respected omprem ji, > > you connected the right thread...and you explained wisely about > Aum. Aum is my personal Mantra ever since I started on the path of > sadhna (though i do induldge in japa of different Mantras side by > side for local reasons). > > One Higher soul, once advised me not to induldge in Aum Sadhna as > it is dangerous for those who are in the domestic life and have > family and are busy in society. > > How far this is correct as per your experience ?? > > Hari Aum > > > > , omprem <no_reply> wrote: > > Om Silentsoul > > > > I'm unable to remember the specifics of that chat. If you could > > give me a few clues, they might trigger my thoughts. > > > > There are many ways to approach OM, as you know, but here are > > a couple of ways that I use to with students in the hatha yoga and > > meditation classes that I teach: > > > > 1. Often, I simply explain the symbolism of the sanscrit symbol > > for OM. Starting with the part that looks like 3, the top loop > > signifies our waking moments and the bottom loop signifies our > > dream state. The loop extending out from the middle where > > those two loops meet, signifies our deep, dreamless state. This > > deep, dreamless state is when the soul rests in Brahman. > > Patanjali tells us that when the mind is still (i.e. no content, > > dreamless), the perceiver rests in his own true nature. (Raja > > Yoga Sutras 1:3). Unfortunately, we have no conscious of this > > deep, dreamless state. Together, these three loops represent > > the Jiva. > > > > Next, I draw their attention to the bindu, expaining that this > > symbolizes Brahman. Finally, I point out the crescent that > > separates the Jiva from Brahman and explain that this > > represents Maya, the veiling force that keeps us separate from > > realizing Brahman, from realizing our own true nature as a > > manifestation of Brahman. The rest of the talk focuses on Maya > > and how we can overcome it. > > > > > > 2. Sometimes, I explain one way of doing Japa on AUM, saying > > start by repeating AUM out loud and feel the vibration of the A in > > the chest, feel the vibration of the U in the throat, and feel the > > vibration of the M in the head. When the class has been chanting > > AUM aloud for a few moments and is beginning to focus on > > those vibrations and their qualities, then, I explain that the most > > important part of AUM is the silence after each repetition and > > before the next repetition. The class can then also focus on that > > silence and notice how it changes with continued repetition. After > > chanting AUM for a while, I ask the class to gradually lower the > > loudness of the chant, being quieter and quieter until finally they > > are chanting AUM silently to themselves. Finally, I ask them to > > dive deep into the silence of AUM, to taste the silence, hear the > > silence, feel the silence, be the silence. > > > > > > Om namah Sivaya > > > > Omprem > > > > > > > > , silentsoul_55 <no_reply> wrote: > > > ******** > > > ******** > > > ******** > > > ******** > > > ******** > > > ******** > > > ******** > > > ******** > > > ******** > > > ******** > > > ******** > > > ******** > > > ******** > > > ******** > > > ******** > > > ******** > > > ******** > > > > > > Blessed self Omprem jee, I remember once you gave a > > beautiful > > > explanation of AUM during our chat.... > > > > > > Could you kindly post it here, as it may benefit many. > > > > > > Hari AUM > > > > > > > > > , omprem <no_reply> wrote: > > > > Om Sankarrukku, my friend > > > > > > > > When you quote the Buddhist Govinda and then say, " I > > believe > > > > that the Bija Mantra does not affect the TM practioner.", I > trust > > > that > > > > you do not mean that the TM practitioner does not have the > > > > proper "spiritual attitude, knowledge and responsiveness" > > and is > > > > not capable of Japa that cannot be heard "by the ears but > > only by > > > > the heart, and cannot be uttered by the mouth but only by the > > > > mind." > > > > > > > > And when you say, "Again in Mantra Yoga single Beeja > > Mantra > > > > are used rarely.", I assume that you are excluding the use of > > the > > > > Bija Mantra, OM. > > > > > > > > Om namah Sivaya > > > > > > > > Omprem > > > > > > > > PS As fascinating as the topic of Mantras is, is it not much > > > > better, much more interesting and more enlightening to > > meditate > > > > with Mantras rather than talking about them? > > > > > > > > , "sankarrukku" <sankarrukku> > > wrote: > > > > > Pujya Omprem > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the lucid explanation of the Bija Mantras and > > their > > > > use. > > > > > > > > > > I was talking only about Bija mantras as they are used in > > > > Transcendal > > > > > meditation. In TM you are not told about the significance of > > the > > > > > mantra. So the practitioner does not know that it is a Bija > > > > mantra. > > > > > Abut the effect of the Bija mantra > > > > > > > > > > I give below the words of a Buddhist Govinda > > > > > > > > > > The power and the effect of the Mantra depend on the > > spiritual > > > > > attitude, the knowledge and responsiveness of the > > individual. > > > > The > > > > > sabda or sound of the Mantra is not a physical sound > > (though it > > > > may > > > > > be accompanied by such a one) but a spiritual one. It > > cannot > > > > be heard > > > > > by the ears but only by the heart, and it cannot be uttered > by > > > the > > > > > mouth but only by the mind. > > > > > > > > > > So I believe that the Bija Mantra does not affect the TM > > > > practioner. > > > > > This has been my experience with TM. > > > > > > > > > > In Mantra Yoga every Deity has a Bija mantra associated > > with it. > > > > > > > > > > Gham - Ganapathi > > > > > Kreem - KAALI > > > > > Shreem - Lakshmi > > > > > Kleem - Krishna > > > > > Aim - Saraswathi > > > > > Hrim - The Saktha/Tantrik equivalent of OM - > > Bhuvaneshwari > > > > > Hlrim - Bagalamukhi > > > > > Dhum - Durga > > > > > and so on. > > > > > > > > > > Again in Mantra Yoga single Beeja Mantra are used rarely. > > It is > > > > > always one or more Beeja mantras with some other words. > > > > > The only Bija mantra that is used alone is Hrim. It is called > > > > Suddha > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari mantra. But the Diksha is given only to a > > > > person who is > > > > > an advanced Sadhaka. There are some mantras and also > > > > worship of some > > > > > deities, which are intensely purgative in nature. These are > > not > > > > > suitable for most of the people. > > > > > > > > > > Though Mantras are used in Hatha Yoga, Laya yoga, Jnana > > > > yoga, Raja > > > > > yoga and Bhakthi yoga, it is in Mantra yoga that they are > > used > > > > > exclusively. Because of the wide misuse of mantras, > > > > nowadays noone > > > > > wants to call himself a Mantric. > > > > > > > > > > I love talking about Mantras. > > > > > > > > > > Jai MAA KAALI !!! > > > > > > > > > > Sankar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2002 Report Share Posted March 26, 2002 Om Blessed Self Silentsoul Swami Vishnu-devananda calls AUM, the universal Mantra. It can be used by anybody at any time. But he also says that AUM is a difficult Mantra for many because of its abstract nature. The aspirant who is preoccupied with the affairs of the world and the affairs of the heart will find it difficult to penetrate to the heart of AUM, to the silence of AUM. Householders can resist AUM as it changes their consciousness and moves them into a much wider, more profound state of awareness than they are used to. They are leaving behind the familiar and could resist that transformation through fear of change or fear of being unable to return to or function in their day-to-day world. Alternatively, householders could be overwhelmed by the vastness, limitlessness, and splendour of the world opened by AUM (and other Nirguna Mantras). They could become paralyzed, awestruck, in the truest sense of the word. Or, they could become more ego-aggrandized, as they puff themselves up at what they see as their ability to enter these realms. We know from reading some of the posts on this club, how much ego-aggrandizement can distort one's vision and message. What is required for any meditation practice is (1)purification of the body, intention, mind and actions (of thought, word and deed), (2) one-pointedness of mind, so that all inner and outer distractions may be ignored, (3) surrender to God so that desire and ego may be sublimated leading to the aspirant's becoming aware of their own true Nature. If these conditions are not present, the aspirant will run into trouble, sometimes very serious, even life-threatening, trouble along his/her spiritual journey. If these conditons are present, the aspirant will, as you have done, eventually discover his/her authentic Self with not too many problems encountered along the journey. Bija/Nirguna Mantras, of which, AUM, is one, can intensify the likelyhood of difficulty along the spiritual path, because the absense of an Ishtadevata means that the aspirant does not have that anchor in times of difficulty and also is more likely encounter trouble because of the lack of the Ishtadevata's guidance. Jaya Guru Omprem , silentsoul_55 <no_reply> wrote: > Thanks respected omprem ji, > > you connected the right thread...and you explained wisely about > Aum. Aum is my personal Mantra ever since I started on the path of > sadhna (though i do induldge in japa of different Mantras side by > side for local reasons). > > One Higher soul, once advised me not to induldge in Aum Sadhna as > it is dangerous for those who are in the domestic life and have > family and are busy in society. > > How far this is correct as per your experience ?? > > Hari Aum > > > > , omprem <no_reply> wrote: > > Om Silentsoul > > > > I'm unable to remember the specifics of that chat. If you could > > give me a few clues, they might trigger my thoughts. > > > > There are many ways to approach OM, as you know, but here are > > a couple of ways that I use to with students in the hatha yoga and > > meditation classes that I teach: > > > > 1. Often, I simply explain the symbolism of the sanscrit symbol > > for OM. Starting with the part that looks like 3, the top loop > > signifies our waking moments and the bottom loop signifies our > > dream state. The loop extending out from the middle where > > those two loops meet, signifies our deep, dreamless state. This > > deep, dreamless state is when the soul rests in Brahman. > > Patanjali tells us that when the mind is still (i.e. no content, > > dreamless), the perceiver rests in his own true nature. (Raja > > Yoga Sutras 1:3). Unfortunately, we have no conscious of this > > deep, dreamless state. Together, these three loops represent > > the Jiva. > > > > Next, I draw their attention to the bindu, expaining that this > > symbolizes Brahman. Finally, I point out the crescent that > > separates the Jiva from Brahman and explain that this > > represents Maya, the veiling force that keeps us separate from > > realizing Brahman, from realizing our own true nature as a > > manifestation of Brahman. The rest of the talk focuses on Maya > > and how we can overcome it. > > > > > > 2. Sometimes, I explain one way of doing Japa on AUM, saying > > start by repeating AUM out loud and feel the vibration of the A in > > the chest, feel the vibration of the U in the throat, and feel the > > vibration of the M in the head. When the class has been chanting > > AUM aloud for a few moments and is beginning to focus on > > those vibrations and their qualities, then, I explain that the most > > important part of AUM is the silence after each repetition and > > before the next repetition. The class can then also focus on that > > silence and notice how it changes with continued repetition. After > > chanting AUM for a while, I ask the class to gradually lower the > > loudness of the chant, being quieter and quieter until finally they > > are chanting AUM silently to themselves. Finally, I ask them to > > dive deep into the silence of AUM, to taste the silence, hear the > > silence, feel the silence, be the silence. > > > > > > Om namah Sivaya > > > > Omprem > > > > > > > > , silentsoul_55 <no_reply> wrote: > > > ******** > > > ******** > > > ******** > > > ******** > > > ******** > > > ******** > > > ******** > > > ******** > > > ******** > > > ******** > > > ******** > > > ******** > > > ******** > > > ******** > > > ******** > > > ******** > > > ******** > > > > > > Blessed self Omprem jee, I remember once you gave a > > beautiful > > > explanation of AUM during our chat.... > > > > > > Could you kindly post it here, as it may benefit many. > > > > > > Hari AUM > > > > > > > > > , omprem <no_reply> wrote: > > > > Om Sankarrukku, my friend > > > > > > > > When you quote the Buddhist Govinda and then say, " I > > believe > > > > that the Bija Mantra does not affect the TM practioner.", I > trust > > > that > > > > you do not mean that the TM practitioner does not have the > > > > proper "spiritual attitude, knowledge and responsiveness" > > and is > > > > not capable of Japa that cannot be heard "by the ears but > > only by > > > > the heart, and cannot be uttered by the mouth but only by the > > > > mind." > > > > > > > > And when you say, "Again in Mantra Yoga single Beeja > > Mantra > > > > are used rarely.", I assume that you are excluding the use of > > the > > > > Bija Mantra, OM. > > > > > > > > Om namah Sivaya > > > > > > > > Omprem > > > > > > > > PS As fascinating as the topic of Mantras is, is it not much > > > > better, much more interesting and more enlightening to > > meditate > > > > with Mantras rather than talking about them? > > > > > > > > , "sankarrukku" <sankarrukku> > > wrote: > > > > > Pujya Omprem > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the lucid explanation of the Bija Mantras and > > their > > > > use. > > > > > > > > > > I was talking only about Bija mantras as they are used in > > > > Transcendal > > > > > meditation. In TM you are not told about the significance of > > the > > > > > mantra. So the practitioner does not know that it is a Bija > > > > mantra. > > > > > Abut the effect of the Bija mantra > > > > > > > > > > I give below the words of a Buddhist Govinda > > > > > > > > > > The power and the effect of the Mantra depend on the > > spiritual > > > > > attitude, the knowledge and responsiveness of the > > individual. > > > > The > > > > > sabda or sound of the Mantra is not a physical sound > > (though it > > > > may > > > > > be accompanied by such a one) but a spiritual one. It > > cannot > > > > be heard > > > > > by the ears but only by the heart, and it cannot be uttered > by > > > the > > > > > mouth but only by the mind. > > > > > > > > > > So I believe that the Bija Mantra does not affect the TM > > > > practioner. > > > > > This has been my experience with TM. > > > > > > > > > > In Mantra Yoga every Deity has a Bija mantra associated > > with it. > > > > > > > > > > Gham - Ganapathi > > > > > Kreem - KAALI > > > > > Shreem - Lakshmi > > > > > Kleem - Krishna > > > > > Aim - Saraswathi > > > > > Hrim - The Saktha/Tantrik equivalent of OM - > > Bhuvaneshwari > > > > > Hlrim - Bagalamukhi > > > > > Dhum - Durga > > > > > and so on. > > > > > > > > > > Again in Mantra Yoga single Beeja Mantra are used rarely. > > It is > > > > > always one or more Beeja mantras with some other words. > > > > > The only Bija mantra that is used alone is Hrim. It is called > > > > Suddha > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari mantra. But the Diksha is given only to a > > > > person who is > > > > > an advanced Sadhaka. There are some mantras and also > > > > worship of some > > > > > deities, which are intensely purgative in nature. These are > > not > > > > > suitable for most of the people. > > > > > > > > > > Though Mantras are used in Hatha Yoga, Laya yoga, Jnana > > > > yoga, Raja > > > > > yoga and Bhakthi yoga, it is in Mantra yoga that they are > > used > > > > > exclusively. Because of the wide misuse of mantras, > > > > nowadays noone > > > > > wants to call himself a Mantric. > > > > > > > > > > I love talking about Mantras. > > > > > > > > > > Jai MAA KAALI !!! > > > > > > > > > > Sankar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2002 Report Share Posted March 26, 2002 Respect sir...you wrote "If these conditions are not present, the aspirant will run into trouble, sometimes very serious, even life- threatening, trouble along his/her spiritual journey" Do wish to say if one has met all the three conditions, he will not be subject to any trouble by the mantras...no obstacles you mean...?? how will the purification process work in that case ?? hari aum , omprem <no_reply> wrote: > Om Blessed Self Silentsoul > > Swami Vishnu-devananda calls AUM, the universal Mantra. It can > be used by anybody at any time. > > But he also says that AUM is a difficult Mantra for many because > of its abstract nature. The aspirant who is preoccupied with the > affairs of the world and the affairs of the heart will find it difficult to > penetrate to the heart of AUM, to the silence of AUM. > > Householders can resist AUM as it changes their > consciousness and moves them into a much wider, more > profound state of awareness than they are used to. They are > leaving behind the familiar and could resist that transformation > through fear of change or fear of being unable to return to or > function in their day-to-day world. > > Alternatively, householders could be overwhelmed by the > vastness, limitlessness, and splendour of the world opened by > AUM (and other Nirguna Mantras). They could become > paralyzed, awestruck, in the truest sense of the word. > > Or, they could become more ego-aggrandized, as they puff > themselves up at what they see as their ability to enter these > realms. We know from reading some of the posts on this club, > how much ego-aggrandizement can distort one's vision and > message. > > What is required for any meditation practice is (1)purification of > the body, intention, mind and actions (of thought, word and > deed), (2) one-pointedness of mind, so that all inner and outer > distractions may be ignored, (3) surrender to God so that desire > and ego may be sublimated leading to the aspirant's becoming > aware of their own true Nature. > > If these conditions are not present, the aspirant will run into > trouble, sometimes very serious, even life-threatening, trouble > along his/her spiritual journey. If these conditons are present, > the aspirant will, as you have done, eventually discover his/her > authentic Self with not too many problems encountered along > the journey. > > Bija/Nirguna Mantras, of which, AUM, is one, can intensify the > likelyhood of difficulty along the spiritual path, because the > absense of an Ishtadevata means that the aspirant does not > have that anchor in times of difficulty and also is more likely > encounter trouble because of the lack of the Ishtadevata's > guidance. > > Jaya Guru > > Omprem > > > > , silentsoul_55 <no_reply> wrote: > > Thanks respected omprem ji, > > > > you connected the right thread...and you explained wisely > about > > Aum. Aum is my personal Mantra ever since I started on the > path of > > sadhna (though i do induldge in japa of different Mantras side > by > > side for local reasons). > > > > One Higher soul, once advised me not to induldge in Aum > Sadhna as > > it is dangerous for those who are in the domestic life and have > > family and are busy in society. > > > > How far this is correct as per your experience ?? > > > > Hari Aum > > > > > > > > , omprem <no_reply> wrote: > > > Om Silentsoul > > > > > > I'm unable to remember the specifics of that chat. If you could > > > give me a few clues, they might trigger my thoughts. > > > > > > There are many ways to approach OM, as you know, but here > are > > > a couple of ways that I use to with students in the hatha yoga > and > > > meditation classes that I teach: > > > > > > 1. Often, I simply explain the symbolism of the sanscrit > symbol > > > for OM. Starting with the part that looks like 3, the top loop > > > signifies our waking moments and the bottom loop signifies > our > > > dream state. The loop extending out from the middle where > > > those two loops meet, signifies our deep, dreamless state. > This > > > deep, dreamless state is when the soul rests in Brahman. > > > Patanjali tells us that when the mind is still (i.e. no content, > > > dreamless), the perceiver rests in his own true nature. (Raja > > > Yoga Sutras 1:3). Unfortunately, we have no conscious of this > > > deep, dreamless state. Together, these three loops > represent > > > the Jiva. > > > > > > Next, I draw their attention to the bindu, expaining that this > > > symbolizes Brahman. Finally, I point out the crescent that > > > separates the Jiva from Brahman and explain that this > > > represents Maya, the veiling force that keeps us separate > from > > > realizing Brahman, from realizing our own true nature as a > > > manifestation of Brahman. The rest of the talk focuses on > Maya > > > and how we can overcome it. > > > > > > > > > 2. Sometimes, I explain one way of doing Japa on AUM, > saying > > > start by repeating AUM out loud and feel the vibration of the A > in > > > the chest, feel the vibration of the U in the throat, and feel the > > > vibration of the M in the head. When the class has been > chanting > > > AUM aloud for a few moments and is beginning to focus on > > > those vibrations and their qualities, then, I explain that the > most > > > important part of AUM is the silence after each repetition and > > > before the next repetition. The class can then also focus on > that > > > silence and notice how it changes with continued repetition. > After > > > chanting AUM for a while, I ask the class to gradually lower > the > > > loudness of the chant, being quieter and quieter until finally > they > > > are chanting AUM silently to themselves. Finally, I ask them > to > > > dive deep into the silence of AUM, to taste the silence, hear > the > > > silence, feel the silence, be the silence. > > > > > > > > > Om namah Sivaya > > > > > > Omprem > > > > > > > > > > > > , silentsoul_55 <no_reply> wrote: > > > > ******** > > > > ******** > > > > ******** > > > > ******** > > > > ******** > > > > ******** > > > > ******** > > > > ******** > > > > ******** > > > > ******** > > > > ******** > > > > ******** > > > > ******** > > > > ******** > > > > ******** > > > > ******** > > > > ******** > > > > > > > > Blessed self Omprem jee, I remember once you gave a > > > beautiful > > > > explanation of AUM during our chat.... > > > > > > > > Could you kindly post it here, as it may benefit many. > > > > > > > > Hari AUM > > > > > > > > > > > > , omprem <no_reply> wrote: > > > > > Om Sankarrukku, my friend > > > > > > > > > > When you quote the Buddhist Govinda and then say, " I > > > believe > > > > > that the Bija Mantra does not affect the TM practioner.", I > > trust > > > > that > > > > > you do not mean that the TM practitioner does not have > the > > > > > proper "spiritual attitude, knowledge and > responsiveness" > > > and is > > > > > not capable of Japa that cannot be heard "by the ears but > > > only by > > > > > the heart, and cannot be uttered by the mouth but only by > the > > > > > mind." > > > > > > > > > > And when you say, "Again in Mantra Yoga single Beeja > > > Mantra > > > > > are used rarely.", I assume that you are excluding the use > of > > > the > > > > > Bija Mantra, OM. > > > > > > > > > > Om namah Sivaya > > > > > > > > > > Omprem > > > > > > > > > > PS As fascinating as the topic of Mantras is, is it not > much > > > > > better, much more interesting and more enlightening to > > > meditate > > > > > with Mantras rather than talking about them? > > > > > > > > > > , "sankarrukku" <sankarrukku> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Pujya Omprem > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the lucid explanation of the Bija Mantras > and > > > their > > > > > use. > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking only about Bija mantras as they are used > in > > > > > Transcendal > > > > > > meditation. In TM you are not told about the significance > of > > > the > > > > > > mantra. So the practitioner does not know that it is a > Bija > > > > > mantra. > > > > > > Abut the effect of the Bija mantra > > > > > > > > > > > > I give below the words of a Buddhist Govinda > > > > > > > > > > > > The power and the effect of the Mantra depend on the > > > spiritual > > > > > > attitude, the knowledge and responsiveness of the > > > individual. > > > > > The > > > > > > sabda or sound of the Mantra is not a physical sound > > > (though it > > > > > may > > > > > > be accompanied by such a one) but a spiritual one. It > > > cannot > > > > > be heard > > > > > > by the ears but only by the heart, and it cannot be > uttered > > by > > > > the > > > > > > mouth but only by the mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > So I believe that the Bija Mantra does not affect the TM > > > > > practioner. > > > > > > This has been my experience with TM. > > > > > > > > > > > > In Mantra Yoga every Deity has a Bija mantra > associated > > > with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gham - Ganapathi > > > > > > Kreem - KAALI > > > > > > Shreem - Lakshmi > > > > > > Kleem - Krishna > > > > > > Aim - Saraswathi > > > > > > Hrim - The Saktha/Tantrik equivalent of OM - > > > Bhuvaneshwari > > > > > > Hlrim - Bagalamukhi > > > > > > Dhum - Durga > > > > > > and so on. > > > > > > > > > > > > Again in Mantra Yoga single Beeja Mantra are used > rarely. > > > It is > > > > > > always one or more Beeja mantras with some other > words. > > > > > > The only Bija mantra that is used alone is Hrim. It is > called > > > > > Suddha > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari mantra. But the Diksha is given only to > a > > > > > person who is > > > > > > an advanced Sadhaka. There are some mantras and > also > > > > > worship of some > > > > > > deities, which are intensely purgative in nature. These > are > > > not > > > > > > suitable for most of the people. > > > > > > > > > > > > Though Mantras are used in Hatha Yoga, Laya yoga, > Jnana > > > > > yoga, Raja > > > > > > yoga and Bhakthi yoga, it is in Mantra yoga that they are > > > used > > > > > > exclusively. Because of the wide misuse of mantras, > > > > > nowadays noone > > > > > > wants to call himself a Mantric. > > > > > > > > > > > > I love talking about Mantras. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai MAA KAALI !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Sankar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2002 Report Share Posted March 26, 2002 Respected Omprem, Thank you for your post on AUM. Every where it is found that AUM is chanted - does that mean that it may create problem? Would you kindly tell us that what type of purification is needed for chanting AUM. Can you refer any Hindu Religious Book where it is said that the person wants to chant AUM must be initiated? You said you belong to the Sivanandaji Gharana - but i feel I read in his writing something esle. This is a most interesting question. With regards. covengem , omprem <no_reply> wrote: > Om Blessed Self Silentsoul > > Swami Vishnu-devananda calls AUM, the universal Mantra. It can > be used by anybody at any time. > > But he also says that AUM is a difficult Mantra for many because > of its abstract nature. The aspirant who is preoccupied with the > affairs of the world and the affairs of the heart will find it difficult to > penetrate to the heart of AUM, to the silence of AUM. > > Householders can resist AUM as it changes their > consciousness and moves them into a much wider, more > profound state of awareness than they are used to. They are > leaving behind the familiar and could resist that transformation > through fear of change or fear of being unable to return to or > function in their day-to-day world. > > Alternatively, householders could be overwhelmed by the > vastness, limitlessness, and splendour of the world opened by > AUM (and other Nirguna Mantras). They could become > paralyzed, awestruck, in the truest sense of the word. > > Or, they could become more ego-aggrandized, as they puff > themselves up at what they see as their ability to enter these > realms. We know from reading some of the posts on this club, > how much ego-aggrandizement can distort one's vision and > message. > > What is required for any meditation practice is (1)purification of > the body, intention, mind and actions (of thought, word and > deed), (2) one-pointedness of mind, so that all inner and outer > distractions may be ignored, (3) surrender to God so that desire > and ego may be sublimated leading to the aspirant's becoming > aware of their own true Nature. > > If these conditions are not present, the aspirant will run into > trouble, sometimes very serious, even life-threatening, trouble > along his/her spiritual journey. If these conditons are present, > the aspirant will, as you have done, eventually discover his/her > authentic Self with not too many problems encountered along > the journey. > > Bija/Nirguna Mantras, of which, AUM, is one, can intensify the > likelyhood of difficulty along the spiritual path, because the > absense of an Ishtadevata means that the aspirant does not > have that anchor in times of difficulty and also is more likely > encounter trouble because of the lack of the Ishtadevata's > guidance. > > Jaya Guru > > Omprem > > > > , silentsoul_55 <no_reply> wrote: > > Thanks respected omprem ji, > > > > you connected the right thread...and you explained wisely > about > > Aum. Aum is my personal Mantra ever since I started on the > path of > > sadhna (though i do induldge in japa of different Mantras side > by > > side for local reasons). > > > > One Higher soul, once advised me not to induldge in Aum > Sadhna as > > it is dangerous for those who are in the domestic life and have > > family and are busy in society. > > > > How far this is correct as per your experience ?? > > > > Hari Aum > > > > > > > > , omprem <no_reply> wrote: > > > Om Silentsoul > > > > > > I'm unable to remember the specifics of that chat. If you could > > > give me a few clues, they might trigger my thoughts. > > > > > > There are many ways to approach OM, as you know, but here > are > > > a couple of ways that I use to with students in the hatha yoga > and > > > meditation classes that I teach: > > > > > > 1. Often, I simply explain the symbolism of the sanscrit > symbol > > > for OM. Starting with the part that looks like 3, the top loop > > > signifies our waking moments and the bottom loop signifies > our > > > dream state. The loop extending out from the middle where > > > those two loops meet, signifies our deep, dreamless state. > This > > > deep, dreamless state is when the soul rests in Brahman. > > > Patanjali tells us that when the mind is still (i.e. no content, > > > dreamless), the perceiver rests in his own true nature. (Raja > > > Yoga Sutras 1:3). Unfortunately, we have no conscious of this > > > deep, dreamless state. Together, these three loops > represent > > > the Jiva. > > > > > > Next, I draw their attention to the bindu, expaining that this > > > symbolizes Brahman. Finally, I point out the crescent that > > > separates the Jiva from Brahman and explain that this > > > represents Maya, the veiling force that keeps us separate > from > > > realizing Brahman, from realizing our own true nature as a > > > manifestation of Brahman. The rest of the talk focuses on > Maya > > > and how we can overcome it. > > > > > > > > > 2. Sometimes, I explain one way of doing Japa on AUM, > saying > > > start by repeating AUM out loud and feel the vibration of the A > in > > > the chest, feel the vibration of the U in the throat, and feel the > > > vibration of the M in the head. When the class has been > chanting > > > AUM aloud for a few moments and is beginning to focus on > > > those vibrations and their qualities, then, I explain that the > most > > > important part of AUM is the silence after each repetition and > > > before the next repetition. The class can then also focus on > that > > > silence and notice how it changes with continued repetition. > After > > > chanting AUM for a while, I ask the class to gradually lower > the > > > loudness of the chant, being quieter and quieter until finally > they > > > are chanting AUM silently to themselves. Finally, I ask them > to > > > dive deep into the silence of AUM, to taste the silence, hear > the > > > silence, feel the silence, be the silence. > > > > > > > > > Om namah Sivaya > > > > > > Omprem > > > > > > > > > > > > , silentsoul_55 <no_reply> wrote: > > > > ******** > > > > ******** > > > > ******** > > > > ******** > > > > ******** > > > > ******** > > > > ******** > > > > ******** > > > > ******** > > > > ******** > > > > ******** > > > > ******** > > > > ******** > > > > ******** > > > > ******** > > > > ******** > > > > ******** > > > > > > > > Blessed self Omprem jee, I remember once you gave a > > > beautiful > > > > explanation of AUM during our chat.... > > > > > > > > Could you kindly post it here, as it may benefit many. > > > > > > > > Hari AUM > > > > > > > > > > > > , omprem <no_reply> wrote: > > > > > Om Sankarrukku, my friend > > > > > > > > > > When you quote the Buddhist Govinda and then say, " I > > > believe > > > > > that the Bija Mantra does not affect the TM practioner.", I > > trust > > > > that > > > > > you do not mean that the TM practitioner does not have > the > > > > > proper "spiritual attitude, knowledge and > responsiveness" > > > and is > > > > > not capable of Japa that cannot be heard "by the ears but > > > only by > > > > > the heart, and cannot be uttered by the mouth but only by > the > > > > > mind." > > > > > > > > > > And when you say, "Again in Mantra Yoga single Beeja > > > Mantra > > > > > are used rarely.", I assume that you are excluding the use > of > > > the > > > > > Bija Mantra, OM. > > > > > > > > > > Om namah Sivaya > > > > > > > > > > Omprem > > > > > > > > > > PS As fascinating as the topic of Mantras is, is it not > much > > > > > better, much more interesting and more enlightening to > > > meditate > > > > > with Mantras rather than talking about them? > > > > > > > > > > , "sankarrukku" <sankarrukku> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Pujya Omprem > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the lucid explanation of the Bija Mantras > and > > > their > > > > > use. > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking only about Bija mantras as they are used > in > > > > > Transcendal > > > > > > meditation. In TM you are not told about the significance > of > > > the > > > > > > mantra. So the practitioner does not know that it is a > Bija > > > > > mantra. > > > > > > Abut the effect of the Bija mantra > > > > > > > > > > > > I give below the words of a Buddhist Govinda > > > > > > > > > > > > The power and the effect of the Mantra depend on the > > > spiritual > > > > > > attitude, the knowledge and responsiveness of the > > > individual. > > > > > The > > > > > > sabda or sound of the Mantra is not a physical sound > > > (though it > > > > > may > > > > > > be accompanied by such a one) but a spiritual one. It > > > cannot > > > > > be heard > > > > > > by the ears but only by the heart, and it cannot be > uttered > > by > > > > the > > > > > > mouth but only by the mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > So I believe that the Bija Mantra does not affect the TM > > > > > practioner. > > > > > > This has been my experience with TM. > > > > > > > > > > > > In Mantra Yoga every Deity has a Bija mantra > associated > > > with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gham - Ganapathi > > > > > > Kreem - KAALI > > > > > > Shreem - Lakshmi > > > > > > Kleem - Krishna > > > > > > Aim - Saraswathi > > > > > > Hrim - The Saktha/Tantrik equivalent of OM - > > > Bhuvaneshwari > > > > > > Hlrim - Bagalamukhi > > > > > > Dhum - Durga > > > > > > and so on. > > > > > > > > > > > > Again in Mantra Yoga single Beeja Mantra are used > rarely. > > > It is > > > > > > always one or more Beeja mantras with some other > words. > > > > > > The only Bija mantra that is used alone is Hrim. It is > called > > > > > Suddha > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari mantra. But the Diksha is given only to > a > > > > > person who is > > > > > > an advanced Sadhaka. There are some mantras and > also > > > > > worship of some > > > > > > deities, which are intensely purgative in nature. These > are > > > not > > > > > > suitable for most of the people. > > > > > > > > > > > > Though Mantras are used in Hatha Yoga, Laya yoga, > Jnana > > > > > yoga, Raja > > > > > > yoga and Bhakthi yoga, it is in Mantra yoga that they are > > > used > > > > > > exclusively. Because of the wide misuse of mantras, > > > > > nowadays noone > > > > > > wants to call himself a Mantric. > > > > > > > > > > > > I love talking about Mantras. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai MAA KAALI !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Sankar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2002 Report Share Posted March 27, 2002 Om Covengem Swami Sivananda has this to say about who is eligible to repeat OM: "Any man or woman whose mind is sincerely turned towards Brahman, who has mental Sannyasa, and who has Vedantic Samskaras and real taste in Vedanta, can repeat this Mantra." (Bliss Divine, p. 414) And how to use OM: "You will have to repeat OM with the Bhava or feeling that you are the infinite, all-pervading, pure intelligence. Mere gramophonic repetition or parrot-like repetition of OM will not bring out the desired result. " When you think of OM, you will have to think of Brahman, the thing signified by the symbol. Association with OM is to become one with the thing signified. Try to identify yourself with the all-blissful Self when you meditate on OM. "Keep the meaning of OM always at heart. Feel OM. Feel that you are the all-pervading, infinite Light. Feel that your are the pure, perfect, all-knowing eternally free Brahman. Feel you are absolute consciousness. Feel that you are the infinite, unchanging existence. Every atom, every molecule, every nerve, vein, and artery should powerfully vibrate with these ideas. Lip-repetition will not produce much benefit. It should be through heart, head, soul. Your whole soul should feel you are the subtle, all-pervading intelligence. This feeling should be kept up all the twenty-four hours." (Bliss Divine. p 415) Swami Sivananda says that meditators fail because "They have not properly saturated the mind with thoughts of God. They have not done regular, systematic Sadhana. They have not disciplined the Indriyas perfectly. They have not collected all the outgoing rays of the mind. They have not made the self-determination, " will realize this very second." They have not given the full hundred per cent of the mind or sixteen annas of the mind - their full mind - to God. " (BD p.387) Om Aim Hreem Kleem Chamundaya Viche Namaha. Omprem , covengem <no_reply> wrote: > Respected Omprem, > > Thank you for your post on AUM. > > Every where it is found that AUM is chanted - does that mean that it > may create problem? > > Would you kindly tell us that what type of purification is needed for > chanting AUM. > > Can you refer any Hindu Religious Book where it is said that the > person wants to chant AUM must be initiated? > > You said you belong to the Sivanandaji Gharana - but i feel I read in > his writing something esle. > > This is a most interesting question. > > With regards. > > covengem > > > , omprem <no_reply> wrote: > > Om Blessed Self Silentsoul > > > > Swami Vishnu-devananda calls AUM, the universal Mantra. It can > > be used by anybody at any time. > > > > But he also says that AUM is a difficult Mantra for many because > > of its abstract nature. The aspirant who is preoccupied with the > > affairs of the world and the affairs of the heart will find it > difficult to > > penetrate to the heart of AUM, to the silence of AUM. > > > > Householders can resist AUM as it changes their > > consciousness and moves them into a much wider, more > > profound state of awareness than they are used to. They are > > leaving behind the familiar and could resist that transformation > > through fear of change or fear of being unable to return to or > > function in their day-to-day world. > > > > Alternatively, householders could be overwhelmed by the > > vastness, limitlessness, and splendour of the world opened by > > AUM (and other Nirguna Mantras). They could become > > paralyzed, awestruck, in the truest sense of the word. > > > > Or, they could become more ego-aggrandized, as they puff > > themselves up at what they see as their ability to enter these > > realms. We know from reading some of the posts on this club, > > how much ego-aggrandizement can distort one's vision and > > message. > > > > What is required for any meditation practice is (1)purification of > > the body, intention, mind and actions (of thought, word and > > deed), (2) one-pointedness of mind, so that all inner and outer > > distractions may be ignored, (3) surrender to God so that desire > > and ego may be sublimated leading to the aspirant's becoming > > aware of their own true Nature. > > > > If these conditions are not present, the aspirant will run into > > trouble, sometimes very serious, even life-threatening, trouble > > along his/her spiritual journey. If these conditons are present, > > the aspirant will, as you have done, eventually discover his/her > > authentic Self with not too many problems encountered along > > the journey. > > > > Bija/Nirguna Mantras, of which, AUM, is one, can intensify the > > likelyhood of difficulty along the spiritual path, because the > > absense of an Ishtadevata means that the aspirant does not > > have that anchor in times of difficulty and also is more likely > > encounter trouble because of the lack of the Ishtadevata's > > guidance. > > > > Jaya Guru > > > > Omprem > > > > > > > > , silentsoul_55 <no_reply> wrote: > > > Thanks respected omprem ji, > > > > > > you connected the right thread...and you explained wisely > > about > > > Aum. Aum is my personal Mantra ever since I started on the > > path of > > > sadhna (though i do induldge in japa of different Mantras side > > by > > > side for local reasons). > > > > > > One Higher soul, once advised me not to induldge in Aum > > Sadhna as > > > it is dangerous for those who are in the domestic life and have > > > family and are busy in society. > > > > > > How far this is correct as per your experience ?? > > > > > > Hari Aum > > > > > > > > > > > > , omprem <no_reply> wrote: > > > > Om Silentsoul > > > > > > > > I'm unable to remember the specifics of that chat. If you could > > > > give me a few clues, they might trigger my thoughts. > > > > > > > > There are many ways to approach OM, as you know, but here > > are > > > > a couple of ways that I use to with students in the hatha yoga > > and > > > > meditation classes that I teach: > > > > > > > > 1. Often, I simply explain the symbolism of the sanscrit > > symbol > > > > for OM. Starting with the part that looks like 3, the top loop > > > > signifies our waking moments and the bottom loop signifies > > our > > > > dream state. The loop extending out from the middle where > > > > those two loops meet, signifies our deep, dreamless state. > > This > > > > deep, dreamless state is when the soul rests in Brahman. > > > > Patanjali tells us that when the mind is still (i.e. no > content, > > > > dreamless), the perceiver rests in his own true nature. (Raja > > > > Yoga Sutras 1:3). Unfortunately, we have no conscious of this > > > > deep, dreamless state. Together, these three loops > > represent > > > > the Jiva. > > > > > > > > Next, I draw their attention to the bindu, expaining that this > > > > symbolizes Brahman. Finally, I point out the crescent that > > > > separates the Jiva from Brahman and explain that this > > > > represents Maya, the veiling force that keeps us separate > > from > > > > realizing Brahman, from realizing our own true nature as a > > > > manifestation of Brahman. The rest of the talk focuses on > > Maya > > > > and how we can overcome it. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Sometimes, I explain one way of doing Japa on AUM, > > saying > > > > start by repeating AUM out loud and feel the vibration of the A > > in > > > > the chest, feel the vibration of the U in the throat, and feel > the > > > > vibration of the M in the head. When the class has been > > chanting > > > > AUM aloud for a few moments and is beginning to focus on > > > > those vibrations and their qualities, then, I explain that the > > most > > > > important part of AUM is the silence after each repetition and > > > > before the next repetition. The class can then also focus on > > that > > > > silence and notice how it changes with continued repetition. > > After > > > > chanting AUM for a while, I ask the class to gradually lower > > the > > > > loudness of the chant, being quieter and quieter until finally > > they > > > > are chanting AUM silently to themselves. Finally, I ask them > > to > > > > dive deep into the silence of AUM, to taste the silence, hear > > the > > > > silence, feel the silence, be the silence. > > > > > > > > > > > > Om namah Sivaya > > > > > > > > Omprem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , silentsoul_55 <no_reply> wrote: > > > > > ******** > > > > > ******** > > > > > ******** > > > > > ******** > > > > > ******** > > > > > ******** > > > > > ******** > > > > > ******** > > > > > ******** > > > > > ******** > > > > > ******** > > > > > ******** > > > > > ******** > > > > > ******** > > > > > ******** > > > > > ******** > > > > > ******** > > > > > > > > > > Blessed self Omprem jee, I remember once you gave a > > > > beautiful > > > > > explanation of AUM during our chat.... > > > > > > > > > > Could you kindly post it here, as it may benefit many. > > > > > > > > > > Hari AUM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , omprem <no_reply> wrote: > > > > > > Om Sankarrukku, my friend > > > > > > > > > > > > When you quote the Buddhist Govinda and then say, " I > > > > believe > > > > > > that the Bija Mantra does not affect the TM practioner.", I > > > trust > > > > > that > > > > > > you do not mean that the TM practitioner does not have > > the > > > > > > proper "spiritual attitude, knowledge and > > responsiveness" > > > > and is > > > > > > not capable of Japa that cannot be heard "by the ears but > > > > only by > > > > > > the heart, and cannot be uttered by the mouth but only by > > the > > > > > > mind." > > > > > > > > > > > > And when you say, "Again in Mantra Yoga single Beeja > > > > Mantra > > > > > > are used rarely.", I assume that you are excluding the use > > of > > > > the > > > > > > Bija Mantra, OM. > > > > > > > > > > > > Om namah Sivaya > > > > > > > > > > > > Omprem > > > > > > > > > > > > PS As fascinating as the topic of Mantras is, is it not > > much > > > > > > better, much more interesting and more enlightening to > > > > meditate > > > > > > with Mantras rather than talking about them? > > > > > > > > > > > > , "sankarrukku" <sankarrukku> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Pujya Omprem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the lucid explanation of the Bija Mantras > > and > > > > their > > > > > > use. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking only about Bija mantras as they are used > > in > > > > > > Transcendal > > > > > > > meditation. In TM you are not told about the significance > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > mantra. So the practitioner does not know that it is a > > Bija > > > > > > mantra. > > > > > > > Abut the effect of the Bija mantra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I give below the words of a Buddhist Govinda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The power and the effect of the Mantra depend on the > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > attitude, the knowledge and responsiveness of the > > > > individual. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > sabda or sound of the Mantra is not a physical sound > > > > (though it > > > > > > may > > > > > > > be accompanied by such a one) but a spiritual one. It > > > > cannot > > > > > > be heard > > > > > > > by the ears but only by the heart, and it cannot be > > uttered > > > by > > > > > the > > > > > > > mouth but only by the mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I believe that the Bija Mantra does not affect the TM > > > > > > practioner. > > > > > > > This has been my experience with TM. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Mantra Yoga every Deity has a Bija mantra > > associated > > > > with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gham - Ganapathi > > > > > > > Kreem - KAALI > > > > > > > Shreem - Lakshmi > > > > > > > Kleem - Krishna > > > > > > > Aim - Saraswathi > > > > > > > Hrim - The Saktha/Tantrik equivalent of OM - > > > > Bhuvaneshwari > > > > > > > Hlrim - Bagalamukhi > > > > > > > Dhum - Durga > > > > > > > and so on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again in Mantra Yoga single Beeja Mantra are used > > rarely. > > > > It is > > > > > > > always one or more Beeja mantras with some other > > words. > > > > > > > The only Bija mantra that is used alone is Hrim. It is > > called > > > > > > Suddha > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari mantra. But the Diksha is given only to > > a > > > > > > person who is > > > > > > > an advanced Sadhaka. There are some mantras and > > also > > > > > > worship of some > > > > > > > deities, which are intensely purgative in nature. These > > are > > > > not > > > > > > > suitable for most of the people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though Mantras are used in Hatha Yoga, Laya yoga, > > Jnana > > > > > > yoga, Raja > > > > > > > yoga and Bhakthi yoga, it is in Mantra yoga that they are > > > > used > > > > > > > exclusively. Because of the wide misuse of mantras, > > > > > > nowadays noone > > > > > > > wants to call himself a Mantric. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I love talking about Mantras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai MAA KAALI !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sankar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2002 Report Share Posted March 27, 2002 Om Silentsoul Yes, if the meditator has purified his/her three bodies, developed one-pointedness of mind, and is surrendered to God always, he/she will be able to use the mantras. He/she will still have to encounter their own karmic debt, but will be able to encounter that karma with equanimity, neither embracing not retreating from it, but being indifferent to it. Om namah Sivaya Omprem , silentsoul_55 <no_reply> wrote: > Respect sir...you wrote "If these conditions are not present, the > aspirant will run into trouble, sometimes very serious, even life- > threatening, trouble along his/her spiritual journey" > > Do wish to say if one has met all the three conditions, he will > not be subject to any trouble by the mantras...no obstacles you > mean...?? how will the purification process work in that case ?? > > hari aum > > , omprem <no_reply> wrote: > > Om Blessed Self Silentsoul > > > > Swami Vishnu-devananda calls AUM, the universal Mantra. It can > > be used by anybody at any time. > > > > But he also says that AUM is a difficult Mantra for many because > > of its abstract nature. The aspirant who is preoccupied with the > > affairs of the world and the affairs of the heart will find it > difficult to > > penetrate to the heart of AUM, to the silence of AUM. > > > > Householders can resist AUM as it changes their > > consciousness and moves them into a much wider, more > > profound state of awareness than they are used to. They are > > leaving behind the familiar and could resist that transformation > > through fear of change or fear of being unable to return to or > > function in their day-to-day world. > > > > Alternatively, householders could be overwhelmed by the > > vastness, limitlessness, and splendour of the world opened by > > AUM (and other Nirguna Mantras). They could become > > paralyzed, awestruck, in the truest sense of the word. > > > > Or, they could become more ego-aggrandized, as they puff > > themselves up at what they see as their ability to enter these > > realms. We know from reading some of the posts on this club, > > how much ego-aggrandizement can distort one's vision and > > message. > > > > What is required for any meditation practice is (1)purification of > > the body, intention, mind and actions (of thought, word and > > deed), (2) one-pointedness of mind, so that all inner and outer > > distractions may be ignored, (3) surrender to God so that desire > > and ego may be sublimated leading to the aspirant's becoming > > aware of their own true Nature. > > > > If these conditions are not present, the aspirant will run into > > trouble, sometimes very serious, even life-threatening, trouble > > along his/her spiritual journey. If these conditons are present, > > the aspirant will, as you have done, eventually discover his/her > > authentic Self with not too many problems encountered along > > the journey. > > > > Bija/Nirguna Mantras, of which, AUM, is one, can intensify the > > likelyhood of difficulty along the spiritual path, because the > > absense of an Ishtadevata means that the aspirant does not > > have that anchor in times of difficulty and also is more likely > > encounter trouble because of the lack of the Ishtadevata's > > guidance. > > > > Jaya Guru > > > > Omprem > > > > > > > > , silentsoul_55 <no_reply> wrote: > > > Thanks respected omprem ji, > > > > > > you connected the right thread...and you explained wisely > > about > > > Aum. Aum is my personal Mantra ever since I started on the > > path of > > > sadhna (though i do induldge in japa of different Mantras side > > by > > > side for local reasons). > > > > > > One Higher soul, once advised me not to induldge in Aum > > Sadhna as > > > it is dangerous for those who are in the domestic life and have > > > family and are busy in society. > > > > > > How far this is correct as per your experience ?? > > > > > > Hari Aum > > > > > > > > > > > > , omprem <no_reply> wrote: > > > > Om Silentsoul > > > > > > > > I'm unable to remember the specifics of that chat. If you could > > > > give me a few clues, they might trigger my thoughts. > > > > > > > > There are many ways to approach OM, as you know, but here > > are > > > > a couple of ways that I use to with students in the hatha yoga > > and > > > > meditation classes that I teach: > > > > > > > > 1. Often, I simply explain the symbolism of the sanscrit > > symbol > > > > for OM. Starting with the part that looks like 3, the top loop > > > > signifies our waking moments and the bottom loop signifies > > our > > > > dream state. The loop extending out from the middle where > > > > those two loops meet, signifies our deep, dreamless state. > > This > > > > deep, dreamless state is when the soul rests in Brahman. > > > > Patanjali tells us that when the mind is still (i.e. no > content, > > > > dreamless), the perceiver rests in his own true nature. (Raja > > > > Yoga Sutras 1:3). Unfortunately, we have no conscious of this > > > > deep, dreamless state. Together, these three loops > > represent > > > > the Jiva. > > > > > > > > Next, I draw their attention to the bindu, expaining that this > > > > symbolizes Brahman. Finally, I point out the crescent that > > > > separates the Jiva from Brahman and explain that this > > > > represents Maya, the veiling force that keeps us separate > > from > > > > realizing Brahman, from realizing our own true nature as a > > > > manifestation of Brahman. The rest of the talk focuses on > > Maya > > > > and how we can overcome it. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Sometimes, I explain one way of doing Japa on AUM, > > saying > > > > start by repeating AUM out loud and feel the vibration of the A > > in > > > > the chest, feel the vibration of the U in the throat, and feel > the > > > > vibration of the M in the head. When the class has been > > chanting > > > > AUM aloud for a few moments and is beginning to focus on > > > > those vibrations and their qualities, then, I explain that the > > most > > > > important part of AUM is the silence after each repetition and > > > > before the next repetition. The class can then also focus on > > that > > > > silence and notice how it changes with continued repetition. > > After > > > > chanting AUM for a while, I ask the class to gradually lower > > the > > > > loudness of the chant, being quieter and quieter until finally > > they > > > > are chanting AUM silently to themselves. Finally, I ask them > > to > > > > dive deep into the silence of AUM, to taste the silence, hear > > the > > > > silence, feel the silence, be the silence. > > > > > > > > > > > > Om namah Sivaya > > > > > > > > Omprem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , silentsoul_55 <no_reply> wrote: > > > > > ******** > > > > > ******** > > > > > ******** > > > > > ******** > > > > > ******** > > > > > ******** > > > > > ******** > > > > > ******** > > > > > ******** > > > > > ******** > > > > > ******** > > > > > ******** > > > > > ******** > > > > > ******** > > > > > ******** > > > > > ******** > > > > > ******** > > > > > > > > > > Blessed self Omprem jee, I remember once you gave a > > > > beautiful > > > > > explanation of AUM during our chat.... > > > > > > > > > > Could you kindly post it here, as it may benefit many. > > > > > > > > > > Hari AUM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , omprem <no_reply> wrote: > > > > > > Om Sankarrukku, my friend > > > > > > > > > > > > When you quote the Buddhist Govinda and then say, " I > > > > believe > > > > > > that the Bija Mantra does not affect the TM practioner.", I > > > trust > > > > > that > > > > > > you do not mean that the TM practitioner does not have > > the > > > > > > proper "spiritual attitude, knowledge and > > responsiveness" > > > > and is > > > > > > not capable of Japa that cannot be heard "by the ears but > > > > only by > > > > > > the heart, and cannot be uttered by the mouth but only by > > the > > > > > > mind." > > > > > > > > > > > > And when you say, "Again in Mantra Yoga single Beeja > > > > Mantra > > > > > > are used rarely.", I assume that you are excluding the use > > of > > > > the > > > > > > Bija Mantra, OM. > > > > > > > > > > > > Om namah Sivaya > > > > > > > > > > > > Omprem > > > > > > > > > > > > PS As fascinating as the topic of Mantras is, is it not > > much > > > > > > better, much more interesting and more enlightening to > > > > meditate > > > > > > with Mantras rather than talking about them? > > > > > > > > > > > > , "sankarrukku" <sankarrukku> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Pujya Omprem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the lucid explanation of the Bija Mantras > > and > > > > their > > > > > > use. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was talking only about Bija mantras as they are used > > in > > > > > > Transcendal > > > > > > > meditation. In TM you are not told about the significance > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > mantra. So the practitioner does not know that it is a > > Bija > > > > > > mantra. > > > > > > > Abut the effect of the Bija mantra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I give below the words of a Buddhist Govinda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The power and the effect of the Mantra depend on the > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > attitude, the knowledge and responsiveness of the > > > > individual. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > sabda or sound of the Mantra is not a physical sound > > > > (though it > > > > > > may > > > > > > > be accompanied by such a one) but a spiritual one. It > > > > cannot > > > > > > be heard > > > > > > > by the ears but only by the heart, and it cannot be > > uttered > > > by > > > > > the > > > > > > > mouth but only by the mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I believe that the Bija Mantra does not affect the TM > > > > > > practioner. > > > > > > > This has been my experience with TM. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Mantra Yoga every Deity has a Bija mantra > > associated > > > > with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gham - Ganapathi > > > > > > > Kreem - KAALI > > > > > > > Shreem - Lakshmi > > > > > > > Kleem - Krishna > > > > > > > Aim - Saraswathi > > > > > > > Hrim - The Saktha/Tantrik equivalent of OM - > > > > Bhuvaneshwari > > > > > > > Hlrim - Bagalamukhi > > > > > > > Dhum - Durga > > > > > > > and so on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again in Mantra Yoga single Beeja Mantra are used > > rarely. > > > > It is > > > > > > > always one or more Beeja mantras with some other > > words. > > > > > > > The only Bija mantra that is used alone is Hrim. It is > > called > > > > > > Suddha > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari mantra. But the Diksha is given only to > > a > > > > > > person who is > > > > > > > an advanced Sadhaka. There are some mantras and > > also > > > > > > worship of some > > > > > > > deities, which are intensely purgative in nature. These > > are > > > > not > > > > > > > suitable for most of the people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though Mantras are used in Hatha Yoga, Laya yoga, > > Jnana > > > > > > yoga, Raja > > > > > > > yoga and Bhakthi yoga, it is in Mantra yoga that they are > > > > used > > > > > > > exclusively. Because of the wide misuse of mantras, > > > > > > nowadays noone > > > > > > > wants to call himself a Mantric. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I love talking about Mantras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai MAA KAALI !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sankar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2002 Report Share Posted March 30, 2002 humble pranams, i had a similar experience with OM saadhanaa. i was doing OM saadhana for about six months and one day - rather night - i had a dream suggesting that i should give up OM saadhna. after that i was not able to do OM saadhna even if i tried hard. finally i had to give it up. so i guess it was not for me. regards shubhanan , dksesh <no_reply> wrote: > What silentsoul_55 says is not entirely not offhand. It needs to be > taken up with a bigger picture in mind. Meditation generally awakens > kundilini and repitition of OM in a deep meditative state will awaken > kundalini and sometimes, its nice to have a guru to guide, who will > usually be available. If the kundalini is woken up the tantrik way, > then it will have to pass through the centre or the sushma between > the solar and the lunar plexus and deviation can cause mood upsets > and sometimes death. This is not an issue if we treat death as a > passing state. :-) > > Besides, when sages(I ma assuming) tell things to invididuals as to > that individual, its usually keeping the persons make up/build up in > mind and may not apply to all. > > Besides, the method advised by ompremji is what is ideally taught in > Raja Yoga classes. That is how I was taught to meditate when I used > to attend discourses/classes many years ago. OM can be repeated by > anyone, but when it starts hgetting serious, its nice to have a guru > nearby, although one will usually be available. > > I know what I am saying could be confusing to some, but hope it > helps. :-) > > Regards, > Seshadri. , "kumarshankar2000" <kumarshankar2000> > wrote: > > Dear silentsoul_55, > > > > I am surprised to to find that a higher soul advised you not to > > indulge in Aum Sadhana. Either the person is a fool or a rascal. > > > > Anyone can start Aum Sadhana. It is taken up basically by the Gyan > > Margis. And there is strict Rule that one has to take the Mantra > from > > a Guru and must be initiated along with the ceremonial Abhishek. > > > > I shall be glad to hear more. > > > > kumarshankar2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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