Guest guest Posted March 13, 2002 Report Share Posted March 13, 2002 We used to have Visha Vaidyans (curer of poison) in Kerala who had attained Siddhi of Garuda mantra. These people used their power to save people from snakebites. They did not become rich as they took only a nominal Dhakshina. There was a famous Visha Vaidyan about 50 years back. He was working as a stationmaster in the Indian Railways. If a poisonous snake bit anyone in India, all that they had to do was to go to the nearest railway station and send him a telegram. The railways had made an arrangement to deliver the message to him free of cost. He cured the person. He had saved thousands of people during his lifetime. He is forgotten today. Now tell me will he not attain Moksha. I am sure he would have attained Moksha as well the other Visha Vaidyans of Kerala. Is saving human lives a mundane service? There are a number of Siddhas who cure people of their illness. Are they not serving people? Swami Sivananda believed that service to humanity is service to god. The people of Rishikesh remember Swami Sivananda as the Doctor who opened the first free hospital and cured and cared for the sick people. Even today Swamijis Ashram is well known for its free hospital services. What is wrong in Gurus blessing people of Santhana Bagyam (having babies) or passing examinations? If couples that long to have children go to the guru, he tells them the ways of getting Santhana Bagyam. This could include initiation into some mantra. For Hindus who believe that they will go to a hell called Puth if a son does not perform the funeral rites, Santhana Bagyam means everything. A student studying in college meets a Guru who initiates him into a Mantra for intellectual progress. What is wrong with these? A guru finds out what the disciples want and strives to meet their needs. The same couple and the college student may come back later for a spiritual mantra. Tatwamasi's question was about ordinary people wanting to get their problems solved. So should we dismiss all Mantras other than Moksha mantras as useless? If we want to know about spiritual adventures we should read the biographies of Paramahamsa Yogananda, Swami Rama and others. By reading the books by great Gurus about their spiritual experiences, we can understand what is meant by spiritual exploration/adventure. Tatwamasi had summed it up beautifully with her message. Angelina has raised so many questions. It is quite normal to have a person who is dead as Eternal Satguru. Many of us consider Bagavan Ramakrishna Paramahamsa to be the supreme Guru even when we have living Gurus. It is because we are inspired by his teachings. Our Guru tradition extends back to Lord Dattatreya who is considered the greatest guru who has ever lived. It all depends upon the tradition. If the chanting of a Mantra even without a Guru benefits you then you are blessed. I agree with your final conclusion. Please do post regularly. We need more participation from members. Avadhuta Gita (Second adhyaya) praises the Guru as a veritable gem, whatever his intellectual knowledge or social status - " even if he be young, illiterate, or addicted to the enjoyment of sense objects, even if he be a servant or householder " - and again reminds us that " where mind and speech can utter nothing, there can be no instruction by a teacher." What really counts is the guru's capacity to impart spiritual insight beyond words and speech, simply through his presence and example. Question is do we want to become a Natha/Siddha/Avadhuta. Sankar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2002 Report Share Posted March 13, 2002 Well how does this relate to such as Maharishi Mahesh Yogi who is now having a millionaire's enlightenment course. Is this justifiable? How about the fact that his TM mantras are Mahavidya bija mantras but divorced from their basis in Sr Vidya cult. Is it ok to charge 2000$ for them? What do people think of Maharishi Mahesh nowadays? I just wonder because he was my guru but we just went through a divorce - unrequited love and no lack of consummation. , "sankarrukku" <sankarrukku> wrote: > > We used to have Visha Vaidyans (curer of poison) in Kerala who had > attained Siddhi of Garuda mantra. These people used their power to > save people from snakebites. They did not become rich as they took > only a nominal Dhakshina. There was a famous Visha Vaidyan about 50 > years back. He was working as a stationmaster in the Indian Railways. > If a poisonous snake bit anyone in India, all that they had to do was > to go to the nearest railway station and send him a telegram. The > railways had made an arrangement to deliver the message to him free > of cost. He cured the person. He had saved thousands of people during > his lifetime. He is forgotten today. > > Now tell me will he not attain Moksha. I am sure he would have > attained Moksha as well the other Visha Vaidyans of Kerala. Is saving > human lives a mundane service? > > There are a number of Siddhas who cure people of their illness. Are > they not serving people? > Swami Sivananda believed that service to humanity is service to god. > The people of Rishikesh remember Swami Sivananda as the Doctor who > opened the first free hospital and cured and cared for the sick > people. Even today Swamijis Ashram is well known for its free > hospital services. > > What is wrong in Gurus blessing people of Santhana Bagyam (having > babies) or passing examinations? If couples that long to have > children go to the guru, he tells them the ways of getting Santhana > Bagyam. This could include initiation into some mantra. For Hindus > who believe that they will go to a hell called Puth if a son does not > perform the funeral rites, Santhana Bagyam means everything. A > student studying in college meets a Guru who initiates him into a > Mantra for intellectual progress. What is wrong with these? A guru > finds out what the disciples want and strives to meet their needs. > The same couple and the college student may come back later for a > spiritual mantra. > > Tatwamasi's question was about ordinary people wanting to get their > problems solved. > > So should we dismiss all Mantras other than Moksha mantras as > useless? > > If we want to know about spiritual adventures we should read the > biographies of Paramahamsa Yogananda, Swami Rama and others. By > reading the books by great Gurus about their spiritual experiences, > we can understand what is meant by spiritual exploration/adventure. > > Tatwamasi had summed it up beautifully with her message. Angelina has > raised so many questions. It is quite normal to have a person who is > dead as Eternal Satguru. Many of us consider Bagavan Ramakrishna > Paramahamsa to be the supreme Guru even when we have living Gurus. It > is because we are inspired by his teachings. Our Guru tradition > extends back to Lord Dattatreya who is considered the greatest guru > who has ever lived. It all depends upon the tradition. If the > chanting of a Mantra even without a Guru benefits you then you are > blessed. I agree with your final conclusion. Please do post > regularly. We need more participation from members. > > Avadhuta Gita (Second adhyaya) praises the Guru as a veritable gem, > whatever his intellectual knowledge or social status - " even if he > be young, illiterate, or addicted to the enjoyment of sense objects, > even if he be a servant or householder " - and again reminds us > that " where mind and speech can utter nothing, there can be no > instruction by a teacher." What really counts is the guru's capacity > to impart spiritual insight beyond words and speech, simply through > his presence and example. > > Question is do we want to become a Natha/Siddha/Avadhuta. > > Sankar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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