[Y-Indology] Surname "Suri"---originally from Syria?

[Guest guest]

greetings,

 

Many from the afghan tribe of Sur migrated to India as

did the grandfather of the most well known of the

Suris

 

Sher Shah Suri ,the chap who later built the GT road

from Kabul to Dehli, his invincible fort in Rohtaas,

punjab, pakistan is a wonder worth checking out...

 

His grandfather, Ibrahim, an Afghan of the Sur tribe,

lived near Peshawar and his father's name was Hasan.

Ibrahim migrated with his son to the east in quest of

military service in the early part of Buhlul Lodi's

reign and both first entered the service of Mahabat

Khan Sur, jagirdar of the paraganas of Hariana and

Bakhala in the Punjab, and settled in the paragana of

Bajwara or Bejoura.

 

So the people you refer to in india might as well be

afghans of the SUR tribe.

 

peace.

 

--- Jamal Jafri <jamaljafri wrote:

 

> Dear Friends!

>

> I have told on a number of occasions that people

> with the surname of

> Suri have origins in ancient Syria. After all, Sur

> is the old name

> for Syria. Is there any truth in this supposition?

>

> There are many Indian surnames, particularly in

> areas in the west of

> the country, that appear to have links to ethnic

> groups originating

> in regions well to the west of India. Has anyone

> done any studies in

> this area?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for the information on Suris.

 

The Indian Suris I was referring to are Punjabi Hindu Khatris

(Kshatriya in Hindi) and have presumably been in the Punjab for lot

longer than the Afghan Surs you talked about?

 

Does the Sur clan name predate the time these Afghan became Muslims?

 

 

Regards,

 

Jamal

 

INDOLOGY, nauman aziz <yogiiiibeer> wrote:

> greetings,

>

> Many from the afghan tribe of Sur migrated to India as

> did the grandfather of the most well known of the

> Suris

>

> Sher Shah Suri ,the chap who later built the GT road

> from Kabul to Dehli, his invincible fort in Rohtaas,

> punjab, pakistan is a wonder worth checking out...

>

> His grandfather, Ibrahim, an Afghan of the Sur tribe,

> lived near Peshawar and his father's name was Hasan.

> Ibrahim migrated with his son to the east in quest of

> military service in the early part of Buhlul Lodi's

> reign and both first entered the service of Mahabat

> Khan Sur, jagirdar of the paraganas of Hariana and

> Bakhala in the Punjab, and settled in the paragana of

> Bajwara or Bejoura.

>

> So the people you refer to in india might as well be

> afghans of the SUR tribe.

>

> peace.

>

> --- Jamal Jafri <jamaljafri> wrote:

>

> > Dear Friends!

> >

> > I have told on a number of occasions that people

> > with the surname of

> > Suri have origins in ancient Syria. After all, Sur

> > is the old name

> > for Syria. Is there any truth in this supposition?

> >

> > There are many Indian surnames, particularly in

> > areas in the west of

> > the country, that appear to have links to ethnic

> > groups originating

> > in regions well to the west of India. Has anyone

> > done any studies in

> > this area?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005

>

[Guest guest]

In _An Early Islamic Apocalyptic Chronicle, Journal of Near Eastern

Studies_, Vol. 52, No. 1 (Jan., 1993), 25-29, Michael Cook points out

that the texts speaks of the "Suriya" form appearing for Syria.

 

Interestingly, one "NAth" is mentioned too - a prophet presumably of

ancient Israel (before Christ) who sets out formal concepts of

chronology or time (A. al-dahr), i.e. "time consists of

seven 'weeks', a 'week' (sAbU) being seven thousand years, and

an 'epoch' (iddAn) being a thousand years. The prophet NAth foretells

the birth of Christ.

 

best rgds,

tdean

 

 

 

INDOLOGY, nauman aziz <yogiiiibeer> wrote:

> greetings,

>

> Many from the afghan tribe of Sur migrated to India as

> did the grandfather of the most well known of the

> Suris

>

> Sher Shah Suri ,the chap who later built the GT road

> from Kabul to Dehli, his invincible fort in Rohtaas,

> punjab, pakistan is a wonder worth checking out...

>

> His grandfather, Ibrahim, an Afghan of the Sur tribe,

> lived near Peshawar and his father's name was Hasan.

> Ibrahim migrated with his son to the east in quest of

> military service in the early part of Buhlul Lodi's

> reign and both first entered the service of Mahabat

> Khan Sur, jagirdar of the paraganas of Hariana and

> Bakhala in the Punjab, and settled in the paragana of

> Bajwara or Bejoura.

>

> So the people you refer to in india might as well be

> afghans of the SUR tribe.

>

> peace.

>

> --- Jamal Jafri <jamaljafri> wrote:

>

> > Dear Friends!

> >

> > I have told on a number of occasions that people

> > with the surname of

> > Suri have origins in ancient Syria. After all, Sur

> > is the old name

> > for Syria. Is there any truth in this supposition?

> >

> > There are many Indian surnames, particularly in

> > areas in the west of

> > the country, that appear to have links to ethnic

> > groups originating

> > in regions well to the west of India. Has anyone

> > done any studies in

> > this area?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005

>

[Guest guest]

I would not be surprised if the roots of the afghan

tribe SUR are one day proven to be originally from

syria, as there are also other theories of one lost

jewish tribe finding their way to the north west

frontier, so the history of the area is quite old.

 

the north west frontier was also visited by the

Prophet Zulqarnain according to one theory, who helped

the local tribes in building a big iron gate for their

defense aganist the mongol tribes. one chinese

traveller does tell of coming across one such iron

gate near the city of summarkand during his travels..

 

But the ancestry question might be answered in a

couple of years by the human genome project started by

the national geographic, in which you can apply for a

kit through which you send in your DNA sample to them.

They will send you the results of your lineage and

keep updating your profile as more and more people

participate in the project.

 

 

peace.

 

 

--- Jamal Jafri <jamaljafri wrote:

 

> Thanks for the information on Suris.

>

> The Indian Suris I was referring to are Punjabi

> Hindu Khatris

> (Kshatriya in Hindi) and have presumably been in the

> Punjab for lot

> longer than the Afghan Surs you talked about?

>

> Does the Sur clan name predate the time these Afghan

> became Muslims?

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Jamal

>

> INDOLOGY, nauman aziz

> <yogiiiibeer> wrote:

> > greetings,

> >

> > Many from the afghan tribe of Sur migrated to

> India as

> > did the grandfather of the most well known of the

> > Suris

> >

> > Sher Shah Suri ,the chap who later built the GT

> road

> > from Kabul to Dehli, his invincible fort in

> Rohtaas,

> > punjab, pakistan is a wonder worth checking out...

>

> >

> > His grandfather, Ibrahim, an Afghan of the Sur

> tribe,

> > lived near Peshawar and his father's name was

> Hasan.

> > Ibrahim migrated with his son to the east in quest

> of

> > military service in the early part of Buhlul

> Lodi's

> > reign and both first entered the service of

> Mahabat

> > Khan Sur, jagirdar of the paraganas of Hariana and

> > Bakhala in the Punjab, and settled in the paragana

> of

> > Bajwara or Bejoura.

> >

> > So the people you refer to in india might as well

> be

> > afghans of the SUR tribe.

> >

> > peace.

> >

> > --- Jamal Jafri <jamaljafri> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Friends!

> > >

> > > I have told on a number of occasions that people

> > > with the surname of

> > > Suri have origins in ancient Syria. After all,

> Sur

> > > is the old name

> > > for Syria. Is there any truth in this

> supposition?

> > >

> > > There are many Indian surnames, particularly in

> > > areas in the west of

> > > the country, that appear to have links to ethnic

> > > groups originating

> > > in regions well to the west of India. Has anyone

> > > done any studies in

> > > this area?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

In Sanskrit a suri means a learned person. It is also givern to Jaina teachers.

 

nauman aziz <yogiiiibeer wrote:I would not be surprised if the roots

of the afghan

tribe SUR are one day proven to be originally from

syria, as there are also other theories of one lost

jewish tribe finding their way to the north west

frontier, so the history of the area is quite old.

 

the north west frontier was also visited by the

Prophet Zulqarnain according to one theory, who helped

the local tribes in building a big iron gate for their

defense aganist the mongol tribes. one chinese

traveller does tell of coming across one such iron

gate near the city of summarkand during his travels..

 

But the ancestry question might be answered in a

couple of years by the human genome project started by

the national geographic, in which you can apply for a

kit through which you send in your DNA sample to them.

They will send you the results of your lineage and

keep updating your profile as more and more people

participate in the project.

 

 

peace.

 

 

--- Jamal Jafri <jamaljafri wrote:

 

> Thanks for the information on Suris.

>

> The Indian Suris I was referring to are Punjabi

> Hindu Khatris

> (Kshatriya in Hindi) and have presumably been in the

> Punjab for lot

> longer than the Afghan Surs you talked about?

>

> Does the Sur clan name predate the time these Afghan

> became Muslims?

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Jamal

>

> INDOLOGY, nauman aziz

> <yogiiiibeer> wrote:

> > greetings,

> >

> > Many from the afghan tribe of Sur migrated to

> India as

> > did the grandfather of the most well known of the

> > Suris

> >

> > Sher Shah Suri ,the chap who later built the GT

> road

> > from Kabul to Dehli, his invincible fort in

> Rohtaas,

> > punjab, pakistan is a wonder worth checking out...

>

> >

> > His grandfather, Ibrahim, an Afghan of the Sur

> tribe,

> > lived near Peshawar and his father's name was

> Hasan.

> > Ibrahim migrated with his son to the east in quest

> of

> > military service in the early part of Buhlul

> Lodi's

> > reign and both first entered the service of

> Mahabat

> > Khan Sur, jagirdar of the paraganas of Hariana and

> > Bakhala in the Punjab, and settled in the paragana

> of

> > Bajwara or Bejoura.

> >

> > So the people you refer to in india might as well

> be

> > afghans of the SUR tribe.

> >

> > peace.

> >

> > --- Jamal Jafri <jamaljafri> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Friends!

> > >

> > > I have told on a number of occasions that people

> > > with the surname of

> > > Suri have origins in ancient Syria. After all,

> Sur

> > > is the old name

> > > for Syria. Is there any truth in this

> supposition?

> > >

> > > There are many Indian surnames, particularly in

> > > areas in the west of

> > > the country, that appear to have links to ethnic

> > > groups originating

> > > in regions well to the west of India. Has anyone

> > > done any studies in

> > > this area?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

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